Personalism 101

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A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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“Where there is love, it is never truly dark.”

Brother in whaaa?

I am not a brother in any one particular character

Christ is a character from a story

What one story describes this life experience adequately?

None do

I am just a brother from the great mother

Why the need to bring anyone else into it?

I think Jesus is a cool dude and all, but I’m a red pilled Alpha male

The best way to interact with me is simply and directly, not shenanigans

It's an expression my dood.

From the memeverse.

Don't read too much into it.

I'm asking you simply and directly, have you ever met Joe Biden in person?

Cause that would be kind of funny.

It’s a kinda weird and lame expression

It is to me anyway

I’ve never met sleepy Joe face to face before

I wouldn’t really slap the poor old man

That was joke

Will Smith is an idiot

Emasculated Entanglement syndrome as Kevin Samuels puts it

Oh okay just testing.

As anyone who'd feel threatened by such such raw, masculine alpha energy exuded by a guy like u would.

Lol

Unfortunately after so much time on such a special forum like this I just gotta make sure

I need the joke explained to me.

You'd think I'd have learned my lesson by now

Shit test all you like

Be my guest

I was forged in the darkest abyss

My gold is in constant motion

my flame is the dancing sun

Folks do love to forget about the Eschaton.

They think they’re gonna whistle right past it.

chick will show you something you’re never going to forget.

Let’s see if we can whistle past g tepe.  

I don’t think so.  

If you can figure out what happened there, more power.

They weren’t just stargazing, but that was part of it.

gt was a reverse Eschaton…… go figure.  

It was something like the mesoamerican ballgame (pokatok) where the Olympiad comes down to Earth.

We are going to have our feast in the sky .  

I don’t think you’ll forget it.

Folks think that the JWST is going to protect us from the Eschaton, when actually it is pulling us in faster.



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The dementia stiff has managed to create record breaking gun sales and some incredible responses to his globalism, which even Thomas Paine would appreciate...

Royce White: An Open Letter to Joe Biden (infowars.com)

1 Million Guns Sold in US for Record-Setting 37th Consecutive Month 'August's figures show there is a clear and steady desire by the American public for lawful firearm ownership',

I expect there will be a slew of false flags shortly...

Annie get your gun.

Poor Cy thinks her guns are going to protect her from the Eschaton.

They will draw us in faster……. as if that were possible.  

Her guns will protect her from the Globalists……. ok.

But they won’t protect her from the Truth……. that she is about to be one with the One……… God forbid!  

She thinks it won’t happen for millions of more years.

She’s got another think coming.

She thinks her Celtic ancestors will protect her from the Eschaton.

She’s got another think coming.



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dan wrote:Annie get your gun.

Poor Cy thinks her guns are going to protect her from the Eschaton.

They will draw us in faster……. as if that were possible.  

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I'm not that stupid Dan.  Nice underhanded insult.  I see you've been learning how from Smelly's toiletry pot shot at FOOT above.

Guns represent the concept behind the 10th Amendment at the individual level not just the state level.  Just ask Gary Marbut of Montana Shooting Sports Association who has presented several Supreme Court Briefs on the matter.  Montana Shooting Sports Association (mtssa.org)

Elias Alias has also written fairly extensively about it, but he's now retired.

Do try to be more educated on the current issues of Liberty and over reach of power.  Remember if you're eschaton is correct you're going to find yourself elbow to elbow with these cretins who would as soon as slit your throat.  Knowing the issues gives you defining boundaries for tolerance and recognizing who is who (or what) in the zoo.

Poor Cy doesn’t understand that the slitting of throats will only hasten the Eschaton.

Is the Liberty Lobby going to protect us from the Truth?  

Is the Hobby Lobby going to protect us from the Truth?  

There is that of the Truth in every one of us.

Poor Cy hasn’t figured this out, yet.

The Truth will come like a thief in the night!  

Poor Cy hasn’t figured out that the Truth knows no boundaries.

The Eschaton knows no boundaries.

At this late date, she still thinks we are the spawn of God.

No, Cy, we are the Children of God.  

We are leaning out for love, and we’ll be leaning that way forever!  

Cy even thinks that the Constitution will protect her from the Truth.  

The only thing that will protect you from the Truth is love.  

That’s because love is the Truth.

This is not easy for pagans to understand.

Pagans think the Truth is out there.

No. The Truth is in our heart of hearts.

This is what Personalism is all about.



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dan wrote:
The Truth will come like a thief in the night!  

Pilate ask Jesus the question "What is Truth?", but he never got an answer. Just like Jack Nicholson said in the movie 'A Few Good Men'........"You can’t handle the truth!” I wonder if Jesus was thinking the very same thing when Pilate ask him "What is Truth?"

Objective truth is definite, definitive, and conclusive. It is not abstract or vague. It never is concerned with political correctness.

Objective truth is authoritative. It is meant to be applied to every life with the very authority of God. It makes demands rather than offering suggestions.

Scarz,

One minor detail……..

The Truth is not objective…….. it is only ever inter-subjective………. inter-personal.  

And finally, the spirit of the Truth will be a subject.

Scarz may not be familiar with John 16.  

That was the definitive answer to Pilate.  

We wouldn’t be able to understand that Truth = Love until the twenty-first century.  

Until then, we would have to be looking for love/truth in all the wrong places……. as if it would be something outside of us.    

The Fundamentalists don’t understand that the Bible is a crutch.  

It was meant to help us learn how to walk.  

But, once we learn, we set aside our crutch 🩼.  

We go forth on our own two feet……..

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face…….

Where love departs, paranoia slips in.



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@Dan

Yes!! Dan I know about John 16:13. I'm sure you continue to believe you are The Spirit of Truth.

I see no point of entering that area, because what good is it going to do?......."How is it possible to move you off that perch you think you sit upon?"

Scarz,

I don’t believe that is quite fair.  

Yes, there is perch, and there I happen to sit.  

The question is whether we are beasts or potential gods.

In short…… are we persons or not?

Personhood rests uniquely upon Christianity…….. upon the jguy.  

Is this a mistake……. an accident of history?  

Were that perch not there…… none of us would be here……. at the threshold of the Source.  

Denying this historical fact would be no act of modesty.  

It would simply be an act of travesty.  

Either we are here for a reason or we are not.  

There is no middle ground.  

If we are, there have been many portents of our coming…… but none like that one.  

Heaven can wait for us.  

But we can no longer wait for our destiny……. in the stars……. in Eternity.  

If we are not already entered into the Great Tribulation…….. may heaven help us.  

This is only to say that the Force is with us.

He’s got you and me sister………….

Yes, a darkness is coming upon us……..

But these days will be cut short…….. for all of our sakes.  

The gates of Eternity will open…….. right on time.  

It has all been written in the stars ……. and in the most ancient of prophesies.  

Must the little chicken apologize for not committing a travesty?

The sky does fall.

The JWST is a last desperate attempt to hold up the sky .

Will Atlas shrug?

Well, if we know how to pray…………



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Pagans don’t know about love, huh?

Haha.

That’s a stupid comment.

Yah Cy, I don’t insult underhandedly, I do it right to the face.

My intense smell speaks for me.



Guns are for wimps.

Muppets can’t accept love, the truth, they would rather hate the other.

Look at the moron MAGA movement, most hateful bunch of dummies ever.

Look at idiot conservatives.

Look at the lost incels demanding love.

Look at the Q lunatics.

Look at the Texans.

Big non-lovers down there.

Love is gonna slap them all upside the head.

The Neoliberals are no better either, they hate themselves for existing.

Anyone relying on a religion IS using a crutch.

Because they are weak and scared.

You have to make your own way.

Death will strip all that nonsense away.

Only getting past fear will open the portal.

You have to go where you are most afraid.

The Darkness is the way.

I was watching a documentary about end timers on Prime.

One can understand their desire, but they are just so lost.

My mother is sure she is god’s favorite muppet.

This psychosis is just materialized fear.

They can try to run from love all they like.

Have fun.

But anywhere they run, smelly will be there smiling back at them.

You have to do the work.

No cheating now.

The JWT is showing us that the kosmos fits more the esoteric view, that all emanates from center instead of banging out of it.

And the pagan mysteries are way closer to the source than the dumb Christian and Islamic rubes.

I advocate for a rebirth of Paganism through Taoism.

Dan has no idea what he is talking about in regards to the Mysteries.

He is way out of his depth.

You can read poetry or write it.

You have to cross the Abyss yourself.

No book or god is gonna get you there.

Burn all the books before you start your swim.

Try quoting Bible verses to the monsters of the deep.

Only lovers can cross over.

I’m only teasin all the idiot muppet pretenders.

I love em because they are me.

But god are they stupid.

dan wrote:
Either we are here for a reason or we are not.  

I certainly believe we are here for a reason. I believe God needs us or we would not be here. I never ask to be born, and that is a fact for everyone else also.

"Why am I here, if I am not needed/wanted by God for some purpose?

"Need" has many paths as the word "Need" reflects so many different ways we think of the word when using it.

I view the the word "Needed", not as God is needful of me/us for existence.

What is there/ who is there that restrains God from having what he chooses?....."Nothing, Nobody".........God is limitless!!

God is not finite, he has no limits.

God chose relationship over self only. God chose to be in a relationship with those in the heavenly realm as well as those in the earthly realm. All God's creation serves a purpose, all God's creation is wanted, all God's creation......." has a need or God would never have created it."

God creates and shapes as he chooses.

Before heaven, before earth there existed God for all eternity. Was it that in the beginning of this heaven and this earth creation, that is all Genesis 1 is pointing to as pertains to "In The Beginning"? How many other creations were there long before the heaven and earth creations? We know for sure after this age passes away, this creation of heaven and earth will be no more........"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth".

"In the beginning"... This was not the beginning for God, because God had no beginning. So there was no beginning, only nothingness until God chose a beginning of creating something.......Why did he choose to create something if he did not want it, desire it, have a need for it?

There was nothing but God, God is perfect, God is eternal in nothingness until God chooses to do something about it. God is love, but in nothingness all there would be is "Self Love". Without something there is nothing to love, but self.

1850zulu…….

Scarz,

Yours is the traditional take on the Godhead.  

Mine is rather less so.  

God is nothing more and nothing less than our best Angel .  

Creator and Creation are necessarily co-dependent arising.  


1950z………..

It’s very easy to put God on a pedestal.  

But I don’t think that is the ultimate purpose.  

The ultimate purpose is to be able to join God in a beer .  

We will have met God, and he is Us.  

The main point is that time is an illusion.  

Our temporal seeming world is actually embedded in Eternity.  

Teleology and Final Cause rule the roost.  

The jguy was not put on a pedestal.  

He came here to mix with us……… to lead by example…….. but not to overwhelm us.  

Yes, we want a God to protect us from those who would persecute us.  

But that is not what the jguy promised.  

He promised that we would be persecuted.  

But, nonetheless, we would persevere……. in the End.  

But even and especially in the End…….. the last of us shall be first.  

Our only reward for following the jguy is that we get to be the cleanup  crew.  

Not being hateful…… not being spiteful…….. in the End they are our only reward.  

I can’t think of a better reward…….. can you?  

Our main reward is just knowing that love wins…….. fear not……. despite all appearances to the contrary!

It is an act of faith, perhaps, but I don’t see it that way.  

At the end of the day, the only thing I really know is that nothing else makes a lick of sense.  

Is the world required to make sense?  

Is this a law of physics?

But I know that every last one of us is always struggling to make sense of the world.  

I know that every child is leaning out for love.  

Sure, it could all be in vain…….. and too often it seems to be.

But then there is hope, and hope does spring eternal.  

And don’t tell me that hope is not its own reward.  

Yes, we hope the world will be saved.

The fact that any one of us is here……. that we all made it here together has to count for something.

Is is just a minor miracle?

Can we imagine a bigger miracle than just what we have in front of us?

Can we really suppose that all of this was for naught?



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Just wanted to say, "Thanks ScaRZ. Your last one was doozy!"
You spoke in the same spirit as they sang "Amen" in that movie. Love it!

Thank you 99 for your very kind words. The thing is many Christians do not view it as I do. They believe God does not need us for anything at all. In my opinion they view "Need" down a one way street.

All of us were created to be in the image and likeness of God. If our desire to be needed is in part a reflection of the image and likeness of God, then we have our answer. I believe we are not only here because we are needed by each other, but I also believe God desires just like ourselves, to be needed.

Is this not what true love is about? There are two sides of the coin in true love, giving love and receiving love. In a relationship if there is one individual doing all the giving love and the other does all the receiving love, how can the relationship survive?

Why am I here? I never ask to be born. Some will say, your parents are the reason you are here........"But, they never ask to be born either." Nobody ask to be born.

Why would we be here if we were not needed by God?

If our earthly parents (mother/father) tell their children they have no need of them, how severally will those children be effected? A child that knows they are not needed will live a life of feeling worthless.

If my Heavenly Father has no need of me, his child, then would I not also feel worthless and have no meaning in my life?

We forget a lot of times that Jesus was just as much a human as we are. Jesus was the Son of Man and The Only Begotten Son of God.......He was God in the flesh, he was "One" with the Father......" the Father is in me and I am in the Father."

With Jesus, God was able to experience, what it was like to be a flesh and blood...."Clay" man.

God as a man (Jesus) experienced what it was like to be tempted, to hunger, to thirst, to need as a man, to be needed as a man, to love as a man, to be loved as a man, to suffer, to desire, to hope, to heal, to dream, to taste sadness,.......etc.. (I could go on and on)

In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the human face of God.

Wonderful post ScaRZ and thanks for sharing! I'm in agreement with everything you are saying.

Scarz,

You are right about many xians………

We are a virtual afterthought……. an epiphenomenon, technically.  

To be perfect, God must be completely self-sufficient….. I am rock, I am an island…….

To me, such a thought is being criminally obtuse.  

Just tell us how we can have a Creator without a Creation.

However, the obtuse ones have a point……….

It is a one way street from….. I am a rock to I am a chick ……. and the Eschaton is upon us.  

Once you start down the road of reciprocity……. there is only one end point……. the End!  

You don’t want to start down that road until all else has failed……. until we have looked for love in every wrong place.

I went into physics looking for free energy.  

It does not exist……. this side of Eternity.  

Then I met Sophia and two and three.  

Things began to make sense.  

Once you see something that makes sense, you are spoiled for anything less.  

From then on, you will only settle for more sense…… more coherence.  

Scientific analysis is a one way street into incoherence.

But it is very hard to dig yourself out of that hole……. it is a very deep hole.  

Do we know anyone else who has?  

I don’t.  

In the end, there is only one way out……… .  

And a chick without a Princess is a funny looking bird……. a dodo bird.  

If you insist on being a card carrying xian, the BPWH is not the way for you.  

However, if you are leaning out for coherence…… please let us know if you find another.  

This is the way of Jesus freaks.  

Folks like to think that the jguy was just another myth.  

Perhaps……… but there ain’t no other myth like that one.  

Folks like to lose themselves in stories…….. but not in that one.  

You can only stand up and be counted.  

And then the sky falls……..

End of story.  

With the jguy, there was unfinished business.  

With the Buddha buddy………. it was all wrapped up.  

Maitreya………?

Maitreya was all about Buddhist eschatology.  

Excuse me, but Buddhist eschatology is an oxymoron.

End of story.  

With the jguy, we’re kinda left hanging.  

That was the whole point, sports fans.  



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Nope

Thank you Dan and 99 for your replies.

Dan some of your views I can agree with, but there are many things we are far apart on.

I never claim to be a know it all like some I've come in contact with over the years. I have learned a lot from some of the different forum members over the many years.

I like discussions, not arguing........"All arguing does is close the door for understanding." We can't force feed and expect a good return. It's not about me or you having to be correct. I will stand firm until God moves me in a different direction.

Just sayin, Scarz,

There aren’t that many ways left to move.  

But maybe I missed something.  

Show me what I missed.  

But, wait, you say you’re standing firm.  

Standing firm on what, pray tell?  

You like discussions, but not arguments.  

Like, ok, let’s discuss the Truth……. let’s discuss love……..

Does Truth exist?  

That’s where the story left off, two thousand years ago.  

We were left hanging.  

But not to fear………. the spirit of Truth is coming…….

Are we on the lookout for that Spirit?  

If we are not, why are we here?

Why are we not in Church on our knees……. or in some other solitary spot?



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