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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by ScaRZ Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:16 am

    I believe Dan that you also are the type person who also stands firm in how you view things. This was my whole point. Over the years I have been moved away from my thinking on certain subjects. I believe doors can be opened that lead us to better understanding. I've been involved in the study of Bible Prophecy for many years. Several ways I once viewed some of them have changed over the years. As I said........"If God moves me in a different direction, then and only then will I move." I will however stand firm until that moment comes.

    I've learned many things while studying Bible Prophecy, and I would have to say that the number one thing I have learned is that Prophecy is "Cryptic". I truly believe this is "God's Cryptic Strategy". God does not want "Everyone" to understand it. Would God want his enemies to know every detail?......."I most certainly believe he would not."

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    Post by dan Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:23 am

    God to Scarz………

    I’ll take care of my enemies……..  but, Lord, protect me from my friends!

    Enemies……..?

    Really?  

    No, Scarz…….. he’s much more fearful of/for true believers…… those who will try to split hairs over mere words.  

    That’s why, two thousand years later, we’re still holding out for the Truth.


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    Post by ScaRZ Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:23 am

    Love is much more than a feeling isn't it Dan? Many people fall into that pit don't they?

    Jesus Christ spoke in parables to both disguise and reveal the truth. I have a strong feeling eschatology works much in the same way.

    The LORD God doesn't only use Believers and Followers to fulfill his will. Through King Cyrus II of Persia a pagan king, The LORD God uses Cyrus to fulfill his will. God can use who he chooses to steer things in a desired direction. God delivered His people from their physical exile, sending them home through King Cyrus.

    God will reveal when he chooses, to who he chooses.



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    Post by dan Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:35 am

    Ah……. the tender trap of love………

    I’ll tell you, Scarz, there’s lots of worse places for anyone to fall.  

    But, we probably didn’t come here to discuss our love lives.


    I’m just saying, I’ve looked for Truth in a lot of wrong 😑 places.  

    That experience might be useful to others, especially in this day and age.  

    But I’m quite serious when I say that we are running out of places to look.

    But, of course, there is a caveat……… we have all the time in the world.

    That is the 800# gorilla 🦍 in the room.



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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:55 am

    Thanks guys (everyone) some great comments.  It's no secret I'm not sold on most of Dan's testimony.  I'm more a ScaRZ camper.  If ScaRZ ever had a Sunday Service inside or outside some church somewhere I'm sold enough on his approach to it all that I'd actually show up to listen.  Much of what he's had to say over the last two pages sits very well with me. 

    That said, Dan, I've spent 52 years apprenticed to Synchronicity.  I've spent most of those maneuvering and producing wildcards at Source's direction.  I work with Source everyday.  Meeting with Source?  Working with Source trumps any singular meeting.  Shrug.  ScaRZ's remark that Source can be said to want the personal relationship and to be needed is something I find to be true by direct experience.  And also as ScaRZ observes, this is a two way street.  We are expected to participate and contribute meaningfully.

    I didn't ask to be born.  I WAS ASKED to be born.  I take my job seriously.  I'm good with it and hopefully Source's intent for a human future is manifested.  

    I don't know who or what Dan's Sophia, one, and two are.  Are they human, nonhuman.  Based on Dan's testimony over the years, Sophia at least is a noncorporeal non-human presenting as human for a time.  What I question is if Dan like many contactees was being manipulated.  Obviously portals exist but they've also existed throughout history...much record there.  So why the manipulation?  Many contactees are tinkered with, as if someone or something is testing the human psyche.  If Dan was apprenticed to Synchronicity (Source) he would exibit certain hallmarks all the other apprentices do.  I have not seen those hallmarks in him.  But I do see some things that are very interesting and curious.  I don't doubt he has had contact with SOMETHING.  But what that is, I see much attention to the message but not much questioning of the source.


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    Post by dan Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:07 pm

    Cy,

    Thanks……..

    I do believe I’ve had a close encounter with the Truth.  

    Ultimately, that is my only Source.  

    I’ve been testing it and augmenting it for the last 43 years.  

    I’m not inclined to hide this Truth in a closet.

    43 years ago I was not told anything.  

    Rather, I was led to a question, and rather emphatically so.  

    I was led to John 16:12ff.  

    I’ve been attempting to follow through on that ever since.  

    I hang out here, waiting for any other one to show up.  

    But I’m not aware of anyone playing for these stakes, anywhere else.  

    In the meantime, in 1991, I was lead to call 911…….. see something, say something.  

    It only took one phone call, after a preliminary search.  

    That’s when I first spoke with Ron…….. 9/91.  

    Over the years, no other slightly comparable contact has come forward.  

    When I questioned the SSCI on the matter, I was told to rest assured that I was dealing with some very competent people.  

    But, no, Ron has never attempted to guide me.

    In fact, he has consistently refused to discuss philosophy.  

    However, I was always given to understand I was being listened to….. by anyone who might have a need to know.   

    That was more than enough for me to keep my nose to the oracular grindstone.  
    …………


    Chivo………

    You have been given far more than your share of bandwidth on this channel……… as the anti-oracle.  

    Forcing me to cut you off will not add anything for either of us.  
    …………….

    How many of us have a need to know about the Eschaton?

    Precious few, it would be fair to say.

    One fine day, the portals will open.

    I gather, from three, there will more or less be a tractor beam guiding us to the portals.

    There would be little or no point in any public announcements.

    Prior announcements would only add confusion.

    Are we to believe three?

    No other final scenario makes any more sense.



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    Post by 99 Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:21 pm

    The only thing we each all have in common is our passion for what we believe in.

    Some of us share the same beliefs, or close to it, and others have different ones .

    But that passion for what we believe in is the glue that keeps this place dynamic and interesting.

    In short, it keeps us coming back no matter how rigid and unmovable we are in those paradigms we are operating in.

    Nevertheless, flexibility, is a foreign word here but at least we're capable of hearing each other out regardless if we agree or not on what someone is saying.

    And, I for one, am thankful for that.

    Have a nice day and don't forget to stop and smell the flowers.

    They're not going to be around much longer because...

    (drum roll) Winter is coming.... (you can read into that all you want)

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    Post by ScaRZ Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:06 pm

    Thanks to you Dan, 99, and Cy for the great conversation. I really miss Jake (Rick), Fore and all the others who hung out at OMF. We had some great times back then. Hopefully I will get some more free time tomorrow and try and drop in again.

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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:06 pm

    On the wall of his office overlooking……..
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    ………. given to her Foot and all who walk in her path.

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    Post by U Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:26 pm

    Gordon the crackhead!

    Umbrella Man Numero Uno!

    I saw one on my 8th grade field trip

    2008.

    An Umbrella Man!

    In front of the Bush Whitehouse.

    Definitely a formative experience.

    Fuuh the policia

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    Post by U Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:42 pm

    ScaRZ welcome back you big swinging 🦆!

    Say, you wouldn't know where Bard might've Effed off 2?

    Woudja?
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    Post by ScaRZ Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:29 am

    U wrote:ScaRZ welcome back you big swinging 🦆!

    Say, you wouldn't know where Bard might've Effed off 2?

    Woudja?


    I wish he was around, we had some great discussions. I really miss him, he got me thinking many, many times.

    U.......Did you go by another name in the past?

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    Post by dan Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:30 am

    ……. we share a passion for what we believe in………  

    It sounds a bit like the flavor of the month club……..connoisseurs of beliefs.  

    Yes, sure, there may be no such thing as Truth.  

    Nonetheless, that’s what I’m looking for.  

    Furthermore, I’m under the impression that Truth is not an object.  

    It must be something inter-subjective.  

    It is something that exists only in as much as it can be shared.  

    It is easy to state that the ultimate Truth must be love.  

    Conjugal love, however, tends toward exclusion.  

    Imagine, back in the days when we suffered from too much BOMFOG.  

    But there is, nonetheless, something such as agape, when we experience a feeling of solidarity with the world……. with humankind.  

    What BOMFOG expresses is the notion of familial love on a global scale.

    Ultimately that we share the same Source, but even more that we share the same End.  

    Yes, it is also……. WWG1WGA.  

    We must understand that we are comrades in arms.  

    To a great extent, global capitalism and the New World Order have gotten in the way of this global communion.



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    Post by ScaRZ Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:14 am

    Dan I agree with your words......."The Truth will come like a thief in the night!"

    The World will be sleeping in their darkness with the covers over their heads. Those who are not sleeping are to always be alert and prepared for the arrival of The Truth. Many who are awake right now will give up, cover their heads and join those who have long been sleeping.

    Think about this as it points to the ultimate truth. In the end times (Which we live) the wicked can read, study and listen, but The Truth will never be revealed to them. The vast majority that populate this world will never understand. This doesn't mean they can't or will not view certain versions or interpretations, but they will never contain The Truth.

    When more is given more is expected. This is how I view The Spirit of Truth.
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    Post by dan Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:28 am

    Scarz,

    There is a fundamental flaw in your thinking, if you are unable to imagine that we are the children of God.

    The notion of a global communion is considered to be the ultimate conspiracy theory.  

    No……. rather it is the ultimate…… cosmic conspiracy.  

    We are destined to attend the wedding feast in the sky.  

    There is a very understandable trepidation that we are going to be served as the main course.  

    How else can we understand that we are destined to be one with the One?  

    This is a spiritual Truth……… it is not a gustatory truth.  

    Scarz thinks that we are so stupid that we, sub specie aeternitatis, under the power and glory of our best angel, cannot bring about our own salvation.  

    There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be here who is not capable of being saved.  

    To believe that any subset of us is destined for Hell is just not thinking straight.  

    There are heroes in the seaweed, there are children in the morning……

    The fact that Disclosure is not being shouted from the rooftops is not proof that we are Cretins…… of evil disposition.  

    It is simply about the logistics of eschatology.  

    Walk, __do not run__, to the nearest exit!  

    Everyone who needs to know about the Eschaton already knows.  

    I am here just as a scribe.  

    Whether you believe, or what you believe, superficially, is not going to amount to a hill of beans 🫘.  

    Eschatology operates mainly at the deepest levels of our collective unconscious.  

    Some of us can feel the tremors…….. that’s all.

    Do you want the President to get on the TV 📺 begging us to please not panic?

    I don’t think so.



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    Post by ScaRZ Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:23 am

    Not everyone will be One with The Father. I do not believe the Christian Universalism doctrine. Not everyone will take part in the wedding feast.

    I never said anything about people not having a choice for salvation. Not everyone will take that path, and God knows that for sure. You must read all of scripture......."Not cherry pick it."

    The Light is there, but people have, can, and will reject the light. You totally distance yourself from the fact that many will love the darkness more than The Light.

    Dan you're leaving huge amounts of scripture out, then come to a conclusion that fits into your theory.

    I've noticed that about you in the past and you continue down that same road. If a verse or so of scripture fits, you use it, but beyond that you close it down.


    And I never called you or anyone else stupid, those words came from you.

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    Post by dan Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:51 am

    Scarz,

    I have no doubt that the Bible was the best possible document to get us from 50 to 2022 AD.  

    If you are comfortable with the Bible, this is no time to abandon it.  

    However, the Bible never claimed to be usurping the Spirit of the Truth.  

    chick 🐣 does what little he can to fill those historical shoes.  

    If I can merely keep a spot warm on that bench, I will have exceeded my expectations.  

    I am not addressing myself to Christians.  

    I am addressing myself to all of God’s children.  

    I understand that you feel exclusionary about God’s love.  

    You are jealous of God’s love.  

    This feeling has gotten many of us through the tough times.  

    When you reach the gate of Heaven, Saint Peter is going to ask you to put down your Bible.

    I believe that we are now at that gate.

    Consider this to be a fire drill.



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    Post by GSB Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:17 am

    BPW? It's all music to my ears



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    Post by GSB Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:51 pm

    Lev Vaidman | The Many Worlds Interpretation as the (Best) Explanation of the Results of Experiments



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:17 am

    Jesus, Dan’s patience is bar none

    I’ll give the old man that much

    The rest don’t make a lick of coherent sense, honestly

    Who or what is this scarz character?

    The scriptures won’t save you from the void sir

    And what of the Hadza people who use scripture for toilet paper because they can’t read?

    More so called truth in this beautiful creature they call sokulu than all the books of all the world



    Princess would not say listen to Dan

    She would ask you a thought provoking question about why you would listen to Dan, smile in response to a simple response, or maybe ask more thought provoking questions if something in the response wasn’t quite coherent, and then finally when the room fell silent, transform into a cat 🐈 and wander away to do cat stuff as cat’s are wont to do
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:13 am

    Today we may feel sorry for Cy, Scarz and Aleph.  

    I’m keeping Cy at the top of my sorry list for two reasons………

    1.)  She owns this forum, and has the power to make our lives quite difficult should she so choose.  

    2.)  She is sitting on a potential hot seat.  

    In regards to #1, maybe I should offer to buy it, but I would need the services of at least a couple of folks to do the administration.  

    Every one on this forum, besides chick 🐣, is a lost soul…….. especially Scarz and Aleph.  

    Aleph, at least, knows that he is lost, which is a good start.  

    Scarz is worse off……… he is lost and doesn’t know it.  

    He doesn’t realize that he is lost, because he has so much company in the wilderness.  

    In this regard, the Christians are the worst off, just because they are closer to the Truth than everyone else.  

    They are so close that they are going to fight for the piece that they have.  

    Everyone else is going to be sucker for the sot, once it starts rolling.  

    The Xians will have a hard time realizing that chick 🐣 is not the Antichrist.  

    That is my cross to bear, I guess.  

    Things will pick up in a few weeks……… I’m getting several weeks of quality time with the Princess 👸.  

    She might not actually be the queen of the hive, just like I might not actually be the Antichrist.  

    However, I believe that we can, and will, give it a pretty good college try.  

    Back to Aleph……… clearly he is not a personalist.  

    Not even being an Xian, he has no clue about personalism.  

    John Paul II was the best known personalist.

    Did he have a clue?

    If he did, he kept it close to his vestment.

    My contention is that Personalism = BPWH = imminence of the Eschaton.

    Corollary……. chick is liable to end up being the best possible x2.

    In this case, best possible means…….. hey, it’s good enough for gummint work.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:46 am

    I’m not sure what your getting at with #1, whether u speak in practical terms or what!?

    Why would cy suddenly make our lives more difficult?

    We’ve been doing this for years without much fuss

    If you were to ever need help with tech and/or site administration stuff Smelly or meself know tech if needed.

    I’m sure a forum motion site wouldnt really be too difficult to administer/operate

    Most my real experience is back end data pipes and data storage stuff

    Anyway, always willing to help there

    You can trust me not to delete from users where rank = special guest or anything like that, scouts honor 🤝

    Ok, love you, bye

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    Post by dan Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:56 am

    Aleph,

    I’m just saying that OMF might be too small for both Cy and chick.

    I’ll have to make it clear that I am not here at her behest.

    I am very definitely not an extension of the Liberty Lobby.

    Just as I am neither an extension of the CIA.

    Going forward, there’s bound to be confusion on these points.



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    Post by ScaRZ Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:56 am

    Dan,

    If you stand on Universalism, then why do you worry about any of this?...........Everyone no matter who they are or what they are will be riding in the same boat with you. Your portals will open and all is great. Nobody needs to be in a search for the truth. Live our lives and when they are fulfilled, we all sit on the same boat and off we sail on smooth waters.

    I however do not stand on Universalism as "The Truth". I do not stand on everyone riding the same boat. I stand on some riding on the wheat boat, while the others ride on the tares boat.

    I stand on The True Light having shined on all, but do we allow The True Light to continue to shine on us, in us, and out from us? The True Light is true love......"It can't be forced, or it is no longer true love."

    That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (John 1:9)

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    Post by dan Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:04 am

    Scarz,

    I’m not worried about me.  

    I’m worried about you.  

    No one will get to Heaven. without the whole Truth.  

    Yes, Christianity is closer to the whole Truth than is any other religion.  

    Yes, you Christians have pride of place, and that pride is, of course, your worst problem.  

    The simple situation is that you are placing the Bible before Jesus.  

    That is putting the cart before the horse.  

    I’m here to remind of this fault.  

    See, you think that Jesus was just the son of God.

    And you think that the Bible is the word of God.

    And so you think you have all your bases covered.

    Sorry, Scarz, you are being to simple minded.

    If you really want to be with the jguy, you will also have to be wise as a serpent.



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