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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:05 am

    Dan, the Logos laughs at your silly definitions.

    HA
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:19 am

    U wrote:Living is indeed hard work.

    Too hard for most.

    Why aren't you impressed with JASON?

    Is it because he's organized the most coherent cosmology thus far?

    There's no mystery to it, he's explained it quite thoroughly.

    It's almost identical to what I've presented on this godforsaken forum it's just packaged in a more professional and academic format. With a few details and chronologies mixed up and replaced for good measure.

    Life seems to imitate art and almost never the other way around.

    UFOs/UAPs are rather mundane in this model.

    Seems like the two of you would agree on that point.

    But by now you're past pondering cosmologies aren't you?

    It's all about that inner universe isn't it?

    The external just a mere distraction eh?

    You wouldn't be the first who felt that way.

    Cosmology smology.

    Gnostic smostic.

    No U, it is about action.

    You can have all the intellect in the cosmos and if you have not love, you have nothing.

    That’s a koan of sorts.

    Because it can’t be spoken of really.

    Any writing in any forum, is ultimately just chicken scratch.

    Speculations ain’t gonna git anyone over the threshold.

    Love will.

    If you ain’t got that love, you ain’t gotta thang.

    I’m impressed by kindness.

    I’m impressed by calmness.

    I’m impressed by virtue.

    I’m impressed by love in action, love under Will.

    You feel what I’m gettin at?

    I’m impressed by Spinoza.

    I’m impressed by Heraclitus, who is our earliest definer of Logos on record.

    The concept I’m sure goes all the back to the beginning, before that even.

    The great mediator, the great imaginer.

    We owe everything we feel we are to the Logos.

    I’m impressed by the Stoics.

    I ain’t impressed by much in our muppet world today.

    We are lost in the dark.

    But being lost is a great setup for love.

    Ultimately, what happened to me was supreme enlightenment.

    Total destruction by love.

    Smacked me so hard it knocked me out of my life into the wilderness, where a I wandered for many years as a smelly 🐐

    It costs you everything you know.

    All your ideas.

    All your beliefs.

    How could such a thing be?!

    Love is so sweet and so monstrous we can barely touch it.

    ZAP!

    Once it hits you, you can only babble poetry like Rumi about it in the desert.

    When it zapped me, I started writing poetry for the first time in my life and haven’t stopped.

    But all my words since are as nothing compared to what is unsurpassed.

    I know the ecstasy of Jesus and the mystics.

    I became a babbling fool.

    It’s the greatest up close magick.

    The Christian nationalists don’t know love.

    They only love themselves.

    They don’t know Jesus.

    To even write of it now, swells my heart to bursting.

    Drives me mad mad mad!

    The mad impress me most, those who have lost their minds in ecstatic 🤩 joy.

    It’s real my friend, it is the ever present 💝 friend.

    Jorjani is angry.

    He has a long way to go yet and who knows how much time any of us has.

    So the work should be done quickly and as soon as possible.

    Me, with all my words, am totally dumbfounded and silent before love.

    If I could show you the images of the ever shinning sun running through my mind right now.

    If I could show the world.

    This is why I write.

    This is why I take pictures.

    I do whatever I can whenever I can to point to this.

    Because this is everything.

    Because somehow I fell into the bottomless.

    There is nothing else of value to do or talk about.

    It’s the ultimate mosquito 🦟 zapper.

    All ignorance burns 🥵 here.

    Muppets like Dan and Jorjani won’t get anywhere near this.

    This is where all fear to tread.

    This is the third rail.

    This is the source of all that is.

    You just have to go and put your tongue tongue on it and taste it, like I did.

    This is the ultimate acid trip!

    Then we will know each other as true friends.

    Then we will be mad together.

    If you have noticed, I write poetically.

    This is a sign.

    This is bird language.

    The green language.

    The ancient original tongue of humanity.

    It’s only in doing and acting we are free.

    For example, Tao/Dao is the natural movement of things.

    The flow is self organizing.

    Wu Wei is a paradoxical concept from Taoism that means the action of non-action to effortlessly align yourself with Tao, the flow of things.

    This is why Taiji, moving mediation, is so powerful and helpful for health and mental calmness.

    We are made to move with Tao.

    Taiji is moving philosophy, illustrating ways Tao moves and how to move with it.

    Most American teachers don’t know this and their Taiji lacks real power.

    Moving meditation helps one in a way no book ever could to understand how to move with the flow and accept the changes.

    So guys like Jorjani/Putin, who are forcing things, are doomed to fail.

    The United States has messed up so many times over extending itself and trying to force things.

    Conflict arises and a correction occurs.

    A war is always a terrible choice.

    Mediating and flowing with each other is a much better strategy.

    Jorjani is not flowing, he’s fighting.

    He will fail.

    Putin will fail.

    Xi might know better.

    If UAPs are a natural force, not military, what is their flow?

    They want us to see them.

    They want our military to know they are no match.

    This should be a sign to relax, not fight.

    We are observing.

    But intelligence/military is surely trying to figure out how to counter them.

    That’s their job.

    To keep balance.

    Taiji and Tao training should be required.

    It’s why China is kicking our asses.

    They align with long term flow.

    They will obviously overtake us.

    We don’t look long term.

    We are divided.

    We can’t get anything done.

    Now we are in a civil war.

    We are stupid and deserve to lose.

    We are terrible stewards of peace, prosperity and nature.

    We have fallen to greed and thugs.

    We lost.

    Centralized authority may be the best winning strategy.

    There must be some smart folks in our govt somewhere who know flow and Tao.

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    Post by dan Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:55 am

    In the last chapter of his Leviathan, Jorjani goes long on eugenics.  

    Eugenics is wonderful, as long as you know which way is up.  

    Only problem is that, on the Earth, every way is up ⬆.  

    Earth does not have a center…….. it’s center is well hidden.  

    Earth’s center is inter-dimensional……. is zero dimensional.  

    It’s location is transcendental.

    Jorjani is a Newtonian about space and time.

    This is a problem for those who have been exposed to modernism/postmodernism, but not to physics.

    I take history seriously, but only in the context of an illusory time.

    For Jason, time is no illusion.

    Jason is an absolutist about everything except love.

    chick 🐣 is a relativist about everything except love.

    Love is paradigmatically inter-dimensional, interpersonal.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:25 pm

    Can you see a sound?
    Can you hear a light?
    Can you unite your senses?
    Can you turn inward?

    Forget about elaborate explanations, dead end.

    What we want and need is clarity.

    What we abhor is ignorance.

    Clarity leads to equanimity.

    I don't think anyone should ever read one book of Jorjani's, there is just ignorance and confusion there.

    Sadness and pain still come to the wise, but clarity of mind allows one to deal with these, to see beyond temporal emotions of the moment.

    Sorrow and happiness become the same.

    True clarity is much more than being smart, more than being wise.

    It comes when you unite all faculties of the mind and unify them into the light of perception.

    It is hard to talk about this in anything other than mystical terms.

    Our language is unfamiliar with the frontiers of the spiritual.

    But once you find it, you know it.

    Few have seen these limits or described them.

    Let's try.

    If you unite sound with vision, then you will create light.
    That light is the concentrated force of the mind.
    It is by that brightness that truth is revealed.

    Do Dan or Jorjani know this frontier very well?

    Do they have clarity, shrug, just a lot of speculating and theorizing it seems to me.

    Lots of elaborate explanations.

    In clarity one discovers the power of love and yields to it, flows with it.

    Everything from above comes down to us.

    Everything from earth rises up.

    They do meet.

    Heaven and Earth don't need us to complete things, we need them to become whole complete human beings.

    Doing anything else than becoming whole is a distraction and a waste of precious life.

    Being closed to love is death.

    No one is special to the flow of heaven and earth.

    There are no favorites, don't fool yourself or be fooled.

    We are making all this happen, Heaven and Earth are impartial.

    Align yourself with them and you will do well and complete yourself.

    This is the highest aim in life.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:49 am

    Sorry, Chivo, but there is not one person who is extraneous to the wholeness of Heaven and Earth……. no matter what their present stage of integration.  

    Any assertions to the contrary are unhelpful…….. and worse.  

    This is Jorjani’s primary fault.  

    The same fault is shared with much of ufology, where the visitors are taken to be from more advanced civilizations treating us as zoological specimens.  

    As to none of us being special…….. every last one of us is ultimately special……. every last one of us incarnates the cosmic imperative of becoming one with the One……. and the first shall be last.  
    …………


    And, to be perfectly frank, all of society that falls under the aegis of modernism is terribly susceptible to viewing its members as mainly being expendable………. as is also the case with one religion setting itself over and above any others.  

    Capitalism can only exacerbate this problem……. where we become interchangeable parts.

    In light of the above, we can hardly blame the enthusiasts who wish to carry their right to life concerns all the way back to the fallopian tube……. thus turning secular humanism against itself.  

    And when exactly does personhood begin?

    I can only humbly suggest that it must be somewhere this side of the biological mechanics.  

    I have nothing against biology 🧬, but you will not find the meaning of life in a legalistic reductionism.  
    …………


    And where lies Disclosure?  

    It’s going to be on the other side.  

    It’s waiting for us……… patiently.  

    But haven’t we already had 10^10 individual disclosures as we traipse back and forth across the River Lethe?  

    Limbo land is not necessarily something to write home about.  

    How many dreams have we had, and how many do we remember?

    Precious few.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:58 pm

    You didn’t understand my meaning.

    I’m used to it.

    It is us who has to step up to complete ourselves with what is available.

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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:19 pm

    Ok, but, in general, there will not be completion on this side of history.  

    Completion is sub specie aeternitatis.

    History will be complete when the Sun goes out.  

    We, however, will still be short of our Omega Point.  

    Time will become non-linear, multidimensional.  

    The timeline for the initial portals is a little better defined.  

    The initial portals had not previously been mentioned.  

    Well, the ones I had been aware of, retrospectively, are the ones in this hemisphere.  

    Otherwise, they don’t yet exist……. not in an end time or global context.  

    What gap there might be between the initial and final phase is not clear, but I imagine that we are still within the frame of a decade.  

    Do I hear any complaints?  

    So we are laying out a sparse set of nodes that would provide a frame for the eventual mesh network…… 144k.  

    Anyone for Gobekli Tepe? Or is that just a tourist trap 🪤?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:49 pm

    As far as ultimate completion, many wise folks in history have said, don’t sweat the end of history, it will take care of itself, just be responsible for your part.

    Keep your eyes where you are.

    If you change and complete yourself, you complete the world.

    When you change yourself, you change the world.

    Indeed, it’s the only way.

    “Cultivate yourself, and virtue will be real.
    Cultivate your family, and virtue will overflow.
    Cultivate your village, and virtue will last long.
    Cultivate your nation, and virtue will be abundant.
    Cultivate the world, and virtue will be everywhere.”

    —Chapter 54, Dao De Jing

    Gaining clarity, which is hard won, shows you this.

    Jesus is with me Dan.

    Love your neighbor.

    If you have not love, all your intellect is worthless.
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    Post by dan Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:38 pm

    I’ll be sure to remember that, Chivo.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:23 pm

    You know one knows this by their actions, not their books or words.

    Truthfully no one really knows another’s actions.

    But there are smells…

    Gratitude
    Kindness
    Generosity
    Gentleness
    Peace/Equanimity
    Non-judgment
    Acceptance
    Compassion
    Clarity

    And humor of course.

    No one is better than another.

    One has to let scorn go.

    Scorn is not the way.

    Muppets are filled with scorn.

    No one can cheat.

    The price to attain awarenss…is everything.

    If it didn’t cost you everything, it would mean nothing.

    I recall a man named Jesus saying the same thing.

    I know of Jesus, but I’m no Christian, neither was he.

    He was a Jew.

    I’m just a bastard wanderer.

    A smelly 🐐
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:32 am

    And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water
    And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower
    And when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him
    He said all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them
    But he himself was broken, long before the sky would open
    Forsaken, almost human, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone
    Eat your heart out, Chivo……. Wink

    We go to gt to open the sky 🌌.  

    Vladimir has promised to not go any further than 300k beyond the Dnieper.  

    Xi can have Taiwan 🇹🇼, if it will alleviate his feelings of inferiority.  

    After that, we put away our childish things……

    …… because the sky will be opening.  

    Don’t let the stars catch you crying.  

    …… or the unbearable lightness of being.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:07 am

    Wow, I was studying last night hard for some interviews.

    Your post mention sailing and wisdom, which is what I was studying Kubernetes and wisdom, which means captain of a boat.

    I was writing a friend last night about the title of a book I am working on, Earth Touches Sky.

    Remarkable synchronicity.

    The gods have already taken a big bite out of my heart.

    Warm and gushy.

    Yum!

    Phi-Beta-Kappa: Philosophia Biou Kybernetes - Love of wisdom pilots life.

    The Earth touches Sky, this is what my OMF Avatar means.

    A photo I took recently.

    I’m not even doing this anymore.

    It’s just moving on its own.

    I am witness to the sky opening.

    I am humbled.

    I am being invited into something.

    There is a large group already here, I seem to be arriving at the last minute.

    I took my little boat 🛶 here.

    Your post Dan is like me seeing a UAP.

    You couldn’t have posted something like that unless you knew what I was reading last night.

    You did, with the eyes of the spirit.

    You don’t even know, your words were spoken into you right to me.

    Jesus Christ.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:33 am

    Ok….. philosophia biou kybernetes.

    three’s favorite story……..
    He asked Shams Tabrez as to how he did this. Hazrat Shams Tabrez replied, "This knowledge is beyond your understanding so you continue to teach your pupils."
    The upshot seems to be……. philos biou kybernetes.  

    And will the JWST be able to punch a hole 🕳 in the sky?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:14 am

    I love Shams as well.

    I mean, I really really dig that dude.

    So 3 can’t be all bad.

    Hell, even left foot or his henchmen can’t be all bad.

    The JWST will cut a hole in the sky.

    Yes, with clarity comes increased resolution.

    Then when you look into a grain of sand, you see the cosmos.

    When you look into yourself, what looks back is beyond understanding.


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    Post by dan Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 am

    Well, we want to be sure to take them with a few grains of salt.  

    three does that……. along with a few other things.

    There are heroes in the seaweed, there are children in the morning
    They are leaning out for love and they will lean that way forever


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:21 am

    We can all do that, because we are this.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:54 am

    We will do greater things…….

    We only wait for the entanglement to ripen……..

    …… as we wait for the nihilism to subside.

    Our Buddha buddy captured the nihilism and incarnated it.

    He was able to see beyond the void……. beyond sunyata.  

    He was unable to impart his vision……
    And in the naked light, I saw
    Ten thousand people, maybe more
    People talking without speaking
    People hearing without listening
    People writing songs that voices never shared
    And no one dared
    Disturb the sound of silence
    He had no story to tell.  

    Buddhism totally lacks a narrative…….

    No narrative…… no song…….

    No song……. no meaning.  

    When the nihilism is allowed to subside, we hear the faint echoes of a song…….. a story.  

    It is our story.  
    ………..


    Any story has to have some sort of protagonist…… some sort of resolution.  

    The oldest story is the epic of Gilgamesh…….. titled: He who saw the abyss.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:02 pm

    Vision smision, just be a kind muppet.

    I don’t know nuthin bout no nihilism.

    Life is full.

    I got no complaints.

    I’m livin this life to the fullest.

    All in baby!

    No thoughts or delusions about immortality.

    Clarity shows you to focus where you are.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:03 am

    two assures me that both Putin and Xi are eschatologists.  

    He sees Biden as basically a drug dealer……. money and platitudes.  

    The commentariat is really down on Christian nationalists…… the pundits are unable to separate the wheat from the chaff.  

    They accuse the Trumpies of playing to the galleries, and they are doing exactly the same thing……. just on the other side.  

    The lefties are all about playing by the rules and following the letter of the law.  

    They are treating democracy as an end in itself.  

    No……. democracy is only a means to an end.  

    The problem is that no one has ever been able to articulate what is the End……. least of all, our iconic founding fathers.  

    Another problem is that the eschatologists are in the East, and the portals are in the West……. at least in the understanding of three.  

    Donny, as an eschatologist, got cold feet.  

    If chick 🐣’s finger was on the button, I suppose he would get cold 🥶 fingers.  

    And what about the I Am?

    The I Am delegates……. boots 🥾 on the ground.  

    A vicious circle?

    Well, we engage in a collegiate try to make it virtuous.  

    Let’s take a look at Siddhartha……..

    He usually manages to stay above the fray……. almost totally innocent.  

    I suggest that he is a leader of the nihilists.

    Other leaders are the existentialists……. Kierkegaard standing out.  

    They believed in free will and responsibility.  

    I don’t believe in free will, but I do believe in conscience.  

    We do have to live with ourselves……. come hell and high water.  

    Conscience does not have to weigh.  

    A true conscience leads to (an unbearable) lightness of being.  

    Unbearable…….?

    Unbearable when you can’t see the end of the rainbow 🌈.  

    And what is that end?  

    Practical folks don’t go there.  

    Siddhartha was just being practical.  

    Is three practical?  

    We’d better hope so.  

    To all things there is a time, and a season for every matter under heaven.  

    I suspect that Sid understood this as well, but he just had a problem articulating it.  

    Why did this almost trivial observation take so long to articulate?

    What did Eccles have that Sid didn’t?  

    Eccles had a leg to stand on……. Sid did not.  

    Sid’s unbearable lightness of being was……… unbearable……. he was unable to walk and chew gum at the same.  

    If three has demonstrated anything, she has demonstrated that ability.  

    In these times that try our souls, you have to have a leg to stand on.  

    In the end, there is only one thing to stand on………  🌈.  

    Orchestrating that opening is our final chore.  

    After that, we just paddle to the sea…… 🏝.

    Going to Gobekli is a little bit too obvious, but you get the idea.  

    It’s all about entanglement.  

    Entanglement is not a place.

    It is a state of mind.  

    Nihilists would say…….. of that which we cannot speak, we must remain silent.  

    chick 🐣 would say……… the same darn thing.  

    But chick knew John Wheeler……. and knows three……. so there!  

    Well, I didn’t get to know John until well after the fact……. when I began to understand the heaviness of the unspeakable.  

    That was Atlas……… so I guess I must be Prometheus.  

    No……. I got it the wrong way around……..

    John stole the fire 🔥……. at Los Alamos.  

    Ok, so, yes…….. Atlas does have to shrug 🤷.  

    And have you ever heard of Bong-bong Marcos?

    That’s where donny learned how to steal elections.

    Where did chick learn how to shrug 🤷?  

    chick is just what Atlas looks like when he shrugs……. the unbearable lightness of being.  

    When the portals open, what you will hear is a sucking sound.  

    Hey, who wants to be left up the creek without a paddle?  

    You might get left behind.  

    Atlantis is just the island 🏝 of Atlas.  

    We are Noah……. watching the clouds.  

    Après nous………
    …………


    Above, I used a Wittgenstein quote, thinking it was from Nietzsche.  

    Perhaps, though, it affords an insight into both.  

    Buddhists and Zen masters are not nihilists.  

    They are simply being modest in their pronouncements.  

    If we cannot immanentize the Eschaton, what the heck do we do?

    What did Ronald Reagan do?

    He went about rearranging the deck chairs, assiduously.

    Is this donny’s excuse?

    Perhaps he intuited that enough rearrangement was enough.

    Many agreed……. perhaps a bit too readily.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:27 pm

    Dan asks what can we do?

    Love this and take responsibility for your life and the world.

    Don't pick sides.

    Live it.

    Mean it.

    Own it.

    Eschatology is not clarity imho, it's distraction.

    Just an alternative opinion and view of the world and its happenings.

    Xi and Putin should focus on being the best clearest human beings they can be in the life they have, this one.

    If they have not love for all of this, they have nothing.

    Anything else is vanity and distraction in my smelly opinion.

    The world is asleep.

    Our leaders are vain, weak and ineffective.

    Look not to the state or others to lead you.

    Know and lead thyself!

    Little has changed since Heraclitus' day.

    Live knowing all is in flux and will pass away, unlike Buddha, do not detach, embrace it all as Walt Whitman, love it all, go all in!

    That's the only way to live your best life in the best of all possible worlds.

    Quality matters.

    No UAP matters as much.

    No prophecy or book will help you improve your quality.

    No theory will save you.

    Only enlightened action redeems you.

    Only living with awareness matters.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:17 am

    Poor Chivo,

    He means well, but he is sorely misguided, nonetheless.  

    He wants to set himself up as a one-person Katechon.  

    That is no small thing.

    He has that overweening ambition.  

    The only thing that overweens it is chick 🐣’s ambition……. to smash 💥 the Katechon.  

    We smash it with love 💗 and understanding.  

    Understanding is the one thing that Chivo doesn’t understand.  

    He has no concept.  

    In order to do this, we have only to understand how great is the hoax that has been perpetrated upon us by the intelligentsia.  

    In order to understand the intelligentsia, we have to love 💗 them…… love them unto death.  

    The intelligentsia worships the abyss.  

    The abyss is their idol.

    chick 🐣 is going to smash 💥 their idol……. single-handedly…….. personally……. simply by getting in their face about it.  

    But, before we get onto the main attraction, we have a small matter to clear up.  

    There is a secondary hoax……… that mysticism is somehow impersonal.  

    The only obstacle on that path is that too many mystics have gone along with this fake news.  

    Too many mystics embrace the void.  

    The void does have certain redeeming qualities.  

    chick loves 💗 the void.  

    chick is going to love it unto death……. yes, one of us has got to go.  

    The only void in Creation is the separation between us and the One ☝.  

    chick loves that separation.  

    That Separation is what allows us to breathe 🧘‍.

    chick loves to breathe 🧘‍.  

    When God exhales, we can inhale.  

    But guess what……… God is turning blue in the face.  

    It’s God’s turn to inhale.  

    So Creation is a cycle, after all…….?

    Nice try…….

    Creation is the singular best possible circuit……. bootstrap.  

    But what about the Void?  

    Can’t we have our Void, and eat it, too?  

    Ok ✅, chick will let you have it back, as soon as he’s finished smashing it……… 🐣.  

    But I might need to get permission from Chivo, first.  

    Hey, we were born of the Void……..  🕳.  

    The Void is our Mother……. our matter.  

    If physics tells us anything, it tells us that matter is 99% void.  

    From whence cometh the substance?

    The substance comes from the quantum/math/mind…… like the Penrose triangle…… math > matter > mind >……….

    Just another bootstrap.  

    But no……. if truth be told…… there is only One ☝ bootstrap.  

    One bootstrap…….. in Potentia…… in Aeternitatis.  

    Pratītyasamutpāda says it all…….. somewhere there was a spark of love……. the rest is history…… along with everything else.  

    Oh dear……. does the bootstrap make you claustrophobic?  

    Is there no Exit?  

    Where is Nirvana when we need it?  

    Nirvana is closer to you than your nose……. ain’t that right, Chivo?  

    But first, we have to plumb the depths.  

    Chivo may not wish to plumb the depths.  

    We are the measure 📐 of all things……. especially of the Depths.  

    The Void?  pshaw…….. the void is an inch deep…… and a mile wide.  

    We’ve got bigger fish to fry!  
    ………


    News flash……. Texas is going to outlaw vasectomies!  

    Yes, Amy Coney Barrett opened a Pandora’s Box 📦….

    Let’s see how long it takes us to plumb those depths!  

    Here is chick’s 28th Amendment…….. and 11th Commandment……  Though shalt use thy God given common sense!  

    Here’s the biggest hoax that the intelligentsia has ever tried to perpetrate on us………. that common sense is common.  

    They are almost getting away with it.  

    A trillion dollars and a trillion transistors later……. common sense is still eluding the grasp of the best and brightest of Silicon Valley.  

    Where do you wish to put your money 💰?  

    Amy opened a Pandora’s Box…….. goody, goody little Catholic girl that she is.  

    Am I being a tad harsh?  

    No, she opened a rat 🐀 hole 🕳.  

    Me?  I’m heading for the rabbit 🐇 hole 🕳…….. somewhere east of Gobekli.  

    donny was smart enough to realize that by giving the Christian Nationalists everything they wanted, he was really just greasing their skids.  

    Christian Nationalism……..?!

    There is an oxymoron, if there ever was one.  
    …………..


    Yes, there are many very modern minded folks who honestly suppose that the world came about spontaneously.

    That’s what we’re taught in school.

    What do the Taoists think?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:57 am

    You are one confused muppet Danny boy.

    I’ve been deeper than you could imagine.

    All the way down.

    Breaks the heart.

    You are missing it dude.

    You focus on and worry about nonsense.

    What others do isn’t our problem.

    How the world forms itself and self organizes, isn’t our problem.

    You are missing the whole point of life.

    I’ll tell ya one thing, you don’t know Jesus.

    Keep on with your utterly lost muppet friends.

    Shrug.
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    Post by dan Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:48 am

    So how did the world come about……. and what sustains it?

    The West so maligns the East, in this regard.  

    We even invented the phase Eternal Return for it.  

    What we are looking for is Taiji…….
    A Chinese cosmological term for the "Supreme Ultimate" state of undifferentiated absolute and infinite potential, the oneness before duality……
    Under Tai chi, we think of this as referring to martial arts.  

    Ok, harnessing the cosmic potency.  

    That’s what we’re up to.  

    Do we handle the Taiji with caution or with abandon?

    Abandon………… all hope, ye who enter here!

    Well, the hopes and fears of all the years………

    What happens when taiji meets gt……..
    …. how still we see thee lie
    Above thy deep and dreamless sleep the silent stars go by
    Yet in thy dark streets shineth, the everlasting light
    The hopes and fears of all the years are met in thee tonight.
    Alpha and Omega…….

    Dialectical monism = dialectical materialism…… on steroids.  
    The oldest strands of Samkhya may have been theistic or nontheistic, but with its classical systematization in the early first millennium CE the existence of a deity became irrelevant. Samkhya is strongly related to the Yoga school of Hinduism, for which it forms the theoretical foundation, and it was influential on other schools of Indian philosophy.
    When Samkhya is self-contained, we have interpersonalism on steroids.  

    The intelligentsia loves to engage in logic chopping.  

    What remains is logical atomism.  

    That is our ultimate Katechon.  

    Fear not……. the Logos was only ever playing dead!  

    Us……. we have miles to go before we sleep.  

    Well, maybe not quite that many……..!  

    We’d better enjoy it while it lasts.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:19 am

    How did the world come about?

    It did and you are here.

    Nothing else is required.

    What sustains it?

    Love and hard work.

    I mentioned Taiji, I practice.

    I’m a student of a Taiji practitioner, he’s world renowned by the way.

    Ming-Dao Deng.

    It’s beyond words.

    Taji is a moving meditation on this.

    And he is a lot wiser and smarter than you Wink

    It is about focusing our energy and connecting earth to sky.

    We don’t worry about how the world forms or worry beyond life.

    We live our best life learning to flow with it.

    We know thunder and shocks come.

    “If you wish to enjoy the fruits
    of enlightenment, abandon
    regard for the conventional and
    the communal. The Way is a path
    for one. Then it narrows until
    there’s not even space for you anymore.”

    The work of living is on us to do.

    Completing ourselves is on us.

    We know and lead ourselves.

    We follow the breath.

    All the silly things you go on about are no worry at all.

    Keep at it muppet.
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    Chivo beats his breast as the lightning crashes!

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