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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 am

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature's first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf's a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost



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    Post by hobbit Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:33 am

    All fine here in frozen middle England.
    I have been busy attuning to reptiles, there are lots of them.

    Clever so and so's, but I have their signature now.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:00 am

    Haha.

    Very good.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:20 am

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:Haha.

    Very good.

    All in plain site, but I use another method to view.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:14 am

    hobbit wrote:
    Smelly El Chivo wrote:Haha.

    Very good.

    All in plain site, but I use another method to view.
    hobbit

    All respect my hairy footed friend.

    These days, I have been on the no path of Heraclitus.

    “I went in search of myself.”

    The world out there is a simulacra I feel created by conscious agents.

    These conscious agents wear us like masks.

    I find all that “out there” fairly distracting.

    All connected, but the lines reach inside of each of us.

    What the world is doing is what the world does.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:44 am

    I really liked these.









    “How shall we learn to know ourselves? By reflection? Never; but only through action. Strive to do thy duty; then you shall know what is in thee.”

    —Goethe
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:24 pm

    The boundaries show themselves

    I am master of this moment

    I see the connections

    I feel them

    This was always meant to be

    And now it is

    A gift only I can receive

    At this time and place

    You can see through things

    But few do

    There is no substitute for experience

    I am become the captain now

    Master of my fate

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:46 pm

    I’m begging left 🦶 trumpet and that WCM to come back and show us your NFT trump cards.

    Pretty please.

    Trump, better than Lincoln and Washington.

    The truth is out.

    Go ahead and quote some Q for us.

    Bahahahahahahhaha

    I love it!

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:16 pm

    I beat you to it yesterday 🤣

    twitter friends were all over that epic announcement

    Dan doesn’t like posts about it

    He’s focused on his princess fantasies 

    He’s being a party pooper

    Too bad

    Laughing is good for the soul

    Come on

    Lighten up old man

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:22 pm

    Goethe has a big time Marcus vibe

    Like the smell of an animal farm in Iceland

    To put it romantically

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:50 pm

    I don’t care what Dan likes Wink

    He’s scrambled eggs.

    You have to be careful around a drowning man.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:31 pm

    Left 🦶 and his people and I can only surmise Dan, are followers and prophets of the false light.

    That’s cool.

    Most muppets serve this system of control and push the narratives of slavery and division.

    Dan has spoken about the one, but he certainly does not represent unity.

    What do you expect from scrambled eggs?

    I like mine with salt 🧂 and cheese 🧀

    YUM 😋



    The discovery of truth is in the discernment of the false.

    No one can transform another into what they already are.

    We are not what we seem to be.

    Silence is the most powerful teacher.

    It is the cosmic solvent in which all doubts and questions dissolve.

    The silence speaks far louder than anything written or spoken.

    What can express the ineffable?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:24 pm

    Nice to leave the road behind.

    Straight on.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:00 pm

    Being and Becoming

    It was a beautiful rich holiday. Warm and bountiful. I’m thankful to enjoy the labors of my work with my family.

    As I have been clarifying my view I’ve been spending time with Nietzsche. I have had some insights into his philosophy after reading him for years now. I see better what his project was about. I understand now why he came to detest Schopenhauer and Wagner, his earlier heroes. He became a Romantic.

    He clearly came to see how Schopenhauer had become a Buddhist in a sense seeing life as valueless. What Nietzsche came to feel was life was always changing and we are always becoming. He was a modern Heraclitus. He would live a million more lives. The bankruptcy of Christian morality was sunsetting as a new Dionysian Pessimism was being birthed. Many in modernity have tried to infuse the pagan fire back into the empty religious moralities.

    Ralph Waldo Emerson and his peers seem to have found a good middle ground between being and becoming. Nietzsche was a radical and a force to be sure ever pushing, while they were tempered by nature and could stop and enjoy the view. It isn’t that we kill our beast, we cooperate with it and mount it and use its power of transformative destruction to renew ourselves. Always be improving ourselves.

    This is where I had come to myself after the last decade. One does become a radical as their creative energies are released and yes, becomes pessimistic, it can end in nihilistic despair, but there is a sweet spot, that unlocks a fire inside you and your life becomes dynamic. I’m thankful for the wisdom and pushing of those before us and what they have brought us to.

    In a way I do feel this time a critical point in our becoming. Our cultural insanity and nihilism is being exposed.

    We are in the midst of a great eruption of spirit.

    I think a balanced life includes being and becoming.

    I am not a materialist or immaterialist.

    I have no side.

    A new humanity has been born.

    The old humans try desperately to hold onto the past, to control what can’t be controlled.

    We do the best with what we have, where we are.

    We do well what we do now and we also look to the horizon ready and flexible enough to handle whatever comes.

    How many languish in depression and are trapped inside themselves?

    Expressing creativity in philosophy and artistic expression was a key for me.

    To accept certainties is true death and to stagnate and stop your becoming.

    We are ever changing here now and becoming and can and never should stop.

    I see this was my major conflict with Dan.

    Well, I met him and went beyond him and wish him well in his certainties.

    I hold no belief or certainty in anything but my death and the life I have and those I am connected to.

    Heaven nor hell await, this is where it happens, right here, which is really nowhere and everywhere.

    What is here now is more than enough to keep me occupied.

    I see the fear of change and the UFO mania as symptoms of a profound psychosis.

    The herd believes nothing but lies.

    Individuation and becoming oneself, as part of all, is the only way through.

    One really must walk into that deep wood and not look back.

    Dan and his friends are lost muppets.

    Good luck to them.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:54 pm

    What are you certain of?

    Actions speak louder than words.

    The pragmatists have highlighted some real problems in our pursuit of certainty.

    They feel certainty is impossible.

    I agree with them here.

    What is true or false?

    What have we been up to for a thousand years in Philosophy?

    What brought about the civil rights movement was making others realize how others suffered, not theories per se.

    Same for the right for women to vote.

    Pragmatists are skeptical towards certainty.

    Socrates project was to have others question their certainties.

    Pragmatists reject solipsism, correspondence theory of truth, and foundationalism.

    Descartes is the poster boy for solipsism, “I think therefore I am.”

    The pragmatists believe in the convergence theory of truth.

    Truth is a tool to them, not absolute, it is true if there are good results. We should continually be improving and use results to assess the value of ideas.

    This feels pragmatic Wink

    It’s powerful and I think a fine way to make your way through life and is in line with becoming.

    William James, an early pragmatist, categorized humans into healthy thinkers and sick souls.

    People weighted toward cheer are healthy minded, as opposed to those focused on the darker aspects of life.  

    The healthy minded value courage, hope, and trust and have contempt for doubt, fear, worry.

    The sick souls are not weak per se to James, he was noting the malaise that dominates their thinking.

    The conspiracy theorists would be his sick souls.

    This seems a bit naive to me.

    The morbid minded dominate our culture today it seems to me.

    Evil is a genuine part of life.

    Humans have religious experiences, whatever they are.

    The religions have arisen and codified these experiences.

    They can be triggered by drugs or magnetic forces.

    No religion is more true or wrong I think than another.

    They were attempts at understanding something about the source of life.

    But you can also say that the love of family, your partner, or the runners high are just as valid spiritual experiences and similar to the religious experience.

    I would certainly say I’m spiritual and not a die hard pragmatist, but they have brought a good counter to analytical philosophy I think.

    I certainly tend to take pragmatic positions these days. I’m open to better, more efficient ways to do things.

    To appreciate that sunset is as religious an experience as any found in prayer or worship I feel and without all the codified nonsense of religion.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:32 pm

    Words and Practice

    Two entirely different things. Most Philosophers are hypocrites.

    They are long in word but short in practice.

    This is why I so respect Seneca the Younger, probably the father of the essay.

    He humanized his philosophy and was often criticized for his wealth and affairs, not being a good example.

    He said, what counts is one’s attitude toward wealth, which is the wise man’s servant and the fool’s  master.

    He was ready to die and lose all he had without a worry he said.

    He was criticized by scholars for his style, but all the young men had his books on their shelves.

    He was very pragmatic.

    He believed the conscience was a divinely inspired  “inner light of the spirit.”

    He was a religious man and wrote things that Christians felt mirrored the Bible.

    Surely his writing influenced the New Testament writers.

    He spiritualized and humanized Stoicism.

    He became a folk hero to later generations.

    He was loved over the next 1000 years and had a huge influence on Western culture.

    This was a man who knew himself and his shadow and had overcome them to some extent.

    He was flawed, but honest about it.

    If you read one book in life, you could do no better than his “Letters from a Stoic.”

    “…what matters is not how long the acting lasts, but how good it is.”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:02 pm

    I feel the music in me this last week. I’ve done good solid work and enjoyed myself. Been doing a bit of spelunking and writing today. You know, I could never be bored. Very King of Disks energy. Feel deep stirrings by the great intellect. Got some photography in during our California cyclone. The doves are taking refuge from the wind behind the strong full green trees in my yard. They are wet and cold. But that is the life of a free bird at times. I was meditating on the real work of life today.

    The Real Work

    To create a life and do the work you can be proud of is painful and lonely, but worth it! Most can’t see into things. Do you think the value of your skills is simply to increase your net worth? Oh friend, no no no. Most live on the surface. They don’t know why they do what they do. They can’t go deep and hate those who make them think. But those who make them think they are thinking, they love. They are living as machines. One day, you may find there is a hidden place behind the curtain where you can take the controls. You see this is the real work of life.

    There are many ways to explore the vibrations behind your actions. Discerning the patterns behind your actions is a revelation. One who is committed to knowing themselves, commits to perceiving the patterns that move them. This is the only real work in life. This is the best work.

    Cymatics - https://youtu.be/Q3oItpVa9fs

    I have been exploring Harry Smith, a true sage behind some of the great modern movements of the spirit I feel. A sage of sages. A real Alchemist. A huge genius. Dweller of the forest primeval. His explorations and connections are inspiring and weird, my kind of scum.

    I feel right in the middle of my life, inspired, expanding, filled with light, oozing love.

    Can you see and feel the vibrations of the world?

    You have to see beneath and behind it all.

    There is a beat at work.

    Synesthesia, total theatre.

    We live in a mystical realm.

    It’s beating with intelligence, love, and light.

    The real work is to look behind and deeply into yourself and the world.

    You begin to see the incredible suprahuman intelligence manifesting this world.

    We each are but a small limit and filter of this power.

    You see how connected it all is.

    Genius finds new connections between things.

    The more you make these connections, the more of you that comes alive.

    You can be flooded with information, bathe in it even.

    The more you cut these connections, the quicker you wither.

    Don’t shut your eyes 👀 to the show.

    Don’t miss a frame.

    This is of utmost importance.

    Open

    Open

    Open

    Don’t fear madness.

    Dance with it.

    Madness comes from not letting go.

    Let go

    Let go

    Let go





    And to primesuspect, you are a blind beggar.

    To think you are anywhere near the center is laughable.

    Take your deluded religion and bury it.

    It is not I nor anyone who needs a thing from you, we each have all we need if we would but dig for it.

    The real teacher is no teacher, their vibration vibrates those around them.

    May the scales fall from your eyes.

    It’s all an illusion, it’s just in your mind.

    It’s all an illusion, it’s just in your mind.

    It’s all an illusion, it’s just in your mind.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:03 am

    Radical acceptance.

    Humility.

    Silence.

    Only then can we receive.

    After we have calmed down.

    Then the voice speaks.

    Listen.

    Suspending of all the noise and outer containers.

    It is more intense than we could ever speak ironically.

    When you put yourself aside, the projection, something else rises.

    Radical acceptance.

    One has to approach prostrate, respectfully.

    I wouldn’t be who I am today without finding this secret 🤫

    This is the key to the best in life.

    When what is inside you becomes your total focus and informs all you do, only then, are you moving in the flow.

    Only then are you who you are.

    The song of silence.

    This is only a taste of what is to come.

    It has to be hidden, it’s too intense.

    This is why the veil of this world.

    The darkness reveals the light.

    The door is opening.

    This is the heart of mysticism and the way to the secret place.

    The heart of darkness.

    There is a gate you come to, the gate of fear.

    When you touch it, it vibrates and is warm.

    Go through that gate.

    What is a human being?

    We are 🔥
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:32 pm

    It occurred to me today covid, climate change, Christianity, Islam, Cults, Religions in general, population control, liberalism, conservatism, any number of philosophies, nuclear war…are viruses.

    Cultural or political viruses.

    They divide, some kill, others transform.

    Some drive one to hate another.

    You can track the disease vectors.

    They bring change.

    They lead to radical submission and death.

    Perhaps death to one of these viruses or more can’t be avoided, in fact we must become infected and face them.

    We can’t live in isolation.

    That just won’t due.

    What I have in me.

    What we all have deep inside, is the cure.

    The supreme vaccine 💉

    Silence

    Light

    Love

    🤫 sunny I love you
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:59 pm

    Reposting from 102 thread.

    Scrambled eggs has been deleting my posts again.

    He can’t handle the heat.

    The man has no gratitude.



    You can only turn to yourself.

    When you are ready to drop all the names and isms, you know where I am.

    I don’t hide.

    Good luck scrambled eggs!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:00 am

    Excerpts from The Eye of the Heart

    The following excerpt is taken from the beginning of the first chapter of The Eye of the Heart: Metaphysics, Cosmology, Spiritual Life

    by Frithjof Schuon

    (from the first section, Metaphysics and Cosmology) :

    The Eye of the Heart

          The eye, owing to its particularly adequate correspondence with the Intellect, lends itself as it were spontaneously to traditional symbolism, and it is to be found, although varying widely in degree of importance, in the symbolic language of all Revelations. The other organs of sensation—or more generally, the faculties of which they are the vehicles—give rise, it is true, to analogous applications, but with a less central bearing, so to speak: they correspond rather to distinct and therefore secondary functions of the intelligence, or else to fundamental modes of receptivity and cognitive assimilation, which means that they demonstrate less directly than the eye—or sight—the analogy between sensible and spiritual knowledge; among the faculties of sensation, only sight represents the Intellect conceived of as such and in its principle. This evident correspondence between sight and the Intellect is due to the static and total character of the former: sight realizes in simultaneous mode—as does space, which among the conditions of corporeal existence corresponds to it—by far the widest possibilities in the domain of sensible knowledge, whereas the other senses react only to influences linked to vital sensibility; hearing should be excepted, however, for it reflects intellection not in its static and simultaneous, but in its dynamic and successive mode, and which plays what could be termed a “lunar” role in relation to sight; that is why it is linked, not to space, but to time, the audible being situated, finally, in duration.(1) Be that as it may, the most important sensation—or let us say the one which is intellectually the most explicit—is undeniably light, whatever might be the importance of primordial sound, and of spiritual perfumes, tastes, and touches. Sight alone communicates to our perception the existence of immeasurably remote heavenly bodies that are perfectly foreign to our vital interests, and it could therefore be said that it alone is essentially objective.(2) Consequently, natural to compare light to knowledge and darkness to ignorance, and this is what explains the wide use made by the most diverse languages, and especially the sacred Scriptures, of the symbolism of light and sight on the one hand, and of darkness and blindness on the other.

          The symbolic transposition of the visual act onto the intellectual plane provides a quite expressive image of identification through knowledge: in this process one must indeed see what one is and be what one sees or knows; the object in both cases is God, with the difference however that He appears as “concrete” in the first case and as “abstract” in the second. But the symbolism of sight is universal and is therefore applicable also to the macrocosm and to all its degrees: the world is an indefinitely differentiated vision whose object in the final analysis is the divine Prototype of all that exists and, conversely, God is the Eye that sees the world and which, being active where the creature is passive, creates the world by His vision, this vision being act and not passivity;(3) thus the eye becomes the metaphysical center of the world of which it is at once the sun and the heart.(4) God sees(5) not only the outward, but also—or rather with greater reason—the inward, and it is this latter vision that is the more real one, or strictly speaking, the only real one, since it is the absolute or infinite vision of which God is at once the Subject and the Object, the Knower and the Known. The universe is merely vision or knowledge, in whatever mode it may be realized, and its entire reality is God: the worlds are fabrics of visions,(6) and the content of these indefinitely repeated visions is always the Divine, which is thus the first Knowledge and the ultimate Reality(7) — Knowledge and Reality being two complementary aspects of the same divine Cause.

          But let us now consider the function of the Eye of the Heart in the usual meaning of the expression, starting from the corporeal eye as the term of comparison: we would then say that the corporeal eye sees the relative, the so to speak broken aspect of God, whereas the Eye of the Heart(Cool is identified with Him by the purity of its vision; the bodily eye is itself broken by its bipolarization that adapts it to perception, that is to say to the knowledge of the manifested as such; manifestation for its part proceeds from the principial bipolarization of Being into Word—or determining Essence, the domain of the Ideas in the Platonic sense—and into Materia Prima.(9) The Eye of the Heart, on the contrary, is unique and central, like the divine Face(10) which is its eternal vision, and which, being beyond all determination, is also beyond all duality. Thus the heart lies as if between two visions of God, one outward and indirect and the other inward and relatively direct,(11) and from this point of view the heart may be assigned a double role and a double meaning: firstly, it is the center of the individual as such and represents his fundamental limitation — his "hardness," as the Scriptures say — and thereby all his secondary limitations; secondly, it is the center of the individual insofar as he is mysteriously connected to his transcendent Principle: the heart is then identified with the Intellect,(12) with the Eye that sees God — and that consequently “is” God — and by which God sees man. In man, finally, it is only the heart that sees: outwardly, it sees the world through the mind and the senses, and inwardly, it sees the divine Reality in the Intellect; but strictly speaking, both visions—the outward as well as the inward— are but one, that of God. Between these two main visions there is an incompatibility in the sense that they cannot take place side by side in the same way and on the same level—notwithstanding the fact that the world can be seen in God and God in the world—firstly because the vision of the world is absorbed and annihilated by that of God, so that from this angle there cannot be a question of any reciprocity, and then because the created exists only due to its illusory particularization in relation to the Principle, so that its incompatibility with absolute Reality is implied by definition.



    1.   In a certain sense, the sun makes space known and the moon time.

    2.   Hearing is subjective—but not vital as are scent, taste, and touch—in the sense that it communicates things to us insofar as they concern us; sight communicates things to us only—and thereby all the more fully—insofar as they “are”, not insofar as they “speak” to us. The comparison between music—an exclusively auditory art— and painting—an exclusively visual art—is altogether significant in this respect. As for speech, it is addressed by definition to an auditor; for instance, if a written divine Name appears to us with the impersonality of a doctrine, the same Name, as soon as it is uttered and heard, has the function of a call; the distinction between the metaphysical and the initiatic perspectives—insofar as such a distinction is possible and relatively legitimate—clearly appears here and also explains the fundamental part played by incantation in methods of spirituality.

    3.   Here, traditional symbolism will preferably involve Speech — the Word — owing to its immediate intelligibility.

    4.   There are numerous and profound correspondences between the eye, the heart, and the sun, which often makes it possible to consider them as synonymous. The eye is the sun of the body, as the heart is the sun of the soul, and the sun is at once the eye and the heart of the sky.

    5.   God as “Seer,” sees Himself as well as the world, including the minutest contingency — an “ant in the desert,” to quote an expression of the Prophet. This, by the way, excludes all pantheism as well as all deism.

    6.   A world is thus a collective and yet homogeneous dream whose constitutive elements are obviously compossibilities. Subjectivists falsely inspired by Hindu doctrine readily forget that the world is in nowise the illusion of a single individual; in reality it is a collective illusion within another collective illusion, that of the whole cosmos.

    7.   In Hindu doctrine, the pole “Knowledge” is designated by the term Chit and the pole “Reality” by the term Sat; in the human microcosm, one can distinguish the poles “intelligence” and “will” or at a more outward degree, “thought” and “action.”

    8.   Before the Sufis, this same expres​sion(Oculus Cordis) was used by Saint Augustine and others; it is connected with the well-known theory of this Father and the Doctors who followed him, according to which the human intellect is enlightened by divine Wisdom. The question of knowing whether or not there is a historical connection between the “Eye of the Heart” of Plotinian doctrine (ὁ μόνος ὀϕθαλμός), Augustinian doctrine, and Sufi doctrine (‘Ayn al-Qalb) is doubtless unsolvable and in any case unimportant from the standpoint at which we place ourselves; it suffices to know that this idea is fundamental and is encountered almost everywhere. Let us not forget to mention that Saint Paul, in the Epistle to the Ephesians, speaks of the “eyes of your heart” (illuminatos oculos cordis vestri, ut sciatis . . .) (1:18). On the other hand, it is hardly necessary to recall that according to the eighth beatitude of the Sermon on the Mount, it is they whose hearts are pure who shall see God.

    9.  In Hindu doctrine: Purusha and Prakriti, the male and female Principles. Sometimes the latter is considered as active and the former as passive, because woman is active as mother; she produces children, whereas man, in the sole respect of enjoyment, is passive.

    10.   The “Face of God” (Wajhu ’Llāh) in Sufi symbolism, represents the divine essence (Dhātu ’Llāh, the Quiddity or Aseity, ὕπαρξις in Greek theology), that is to say, Reality veiled firstly by the innumerable degrees of universal Manifestation, then by the “Spirit” (Ar-Rūh) which is its center as well as its “luminous Essence” (An-Nūr), and finally by Being itself; that is why the “Face of God” is also called the “absolutely Invisible” (Al-Ghayb al-mutlaq), or the “Invisible of invisibles” (Ghayb al-ghuyūb).

    11.   There is a contradiction in terms here that cannot be avoided in such a case.

    12.   In this respect, it should be recalled that according to Meister Eckhart’s expression, the Intellect is “uncreated”: Aliquid est in anima quod est increatum et increabile; si tota anima esset talis, esset increata et increabilis, et hoc est Intellectus. One should never lose sight of the distinction between the uncreated and the created Intellect, the latter being the vehicle of the former. In Hindu doctrine, the first is Chit and the second Buddhi, both being, in Christian theology, the Holy Spirit, which is always envisaged in its aspect of essential unity and not that of the degrees of universal affirmation; furthermore, the Holy Spirit, in accordance with the specifically religious point of view, which is sacramental, hence excluding the natural aspects of the supernatural, is hardly considered as “naturally” inhering in man. The texts that speak only of the uncreated Intellect always imply the other, which amounts to saying that they mention it implicitly; on the other hand, when it is said that the seat or place of actualization of the Intellect is the subtle or animic heart, it is always the created Intellect that is in question a priori and in an immediate fashion, even when, through essential synthesis and by omitting a link in the train of thought, one attributes to this Intellect the uncreated character of the divine Intelligence. Be that as it may, it goes without saying that the created Intellect is supra-rational like its unmanifested prototype.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:39 am

    Cross posting from Personalism 102 thread as it will likely be deleted by the idol worshipping 🐔 in response to his silly post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t451p100-personalism-102#41481



    Haha, you obviously see nothing but your own view.

    Your judgments are your own.

    If I ever meet you in person Dan, and I doubt I will, first thing I am going to do is thumb wrestle you.

    It’s as good as any way to settle disputes.

    I stood by you in a dark hour.

    It’s personal between you and I.

    I can only really dialogue with those I have a personal connection with.

    I am not your enemy, I am your friend, don’t forget that.

    The inklings had many disagreements, but they also deeply influenced each other.

    No one view is complete.

    There is value in engaging with different or more nuanced views than your own.

    I am in no way an absolutist, fundamentalists are the literalists, that’s foolishness.

    They have not the intellect to see or are very far from it.

    They lack a connection to imagination.

    Poor muppets.

    They are missing everything.  

    My contention is no return is needed, the kingdom is within and return is always available, all the time.

    I share my view from here and you can’t see into my experience anymore than I can yours.

    Everything I speak about is from experience, not speculation or opinion.

    Dialogue is required.

    It’s a big tent.

    My mind and heart are open, unlike most unfortunately.

    And I have my own threads where I document my exploration of the imaginal realm, the source of all things.

    That others are lost in their own minds is beyond my concern or ability to rectify.

    I have to lower myself to dialogue with one such as yourself 🐐 you should be honored and humble.

    Haha.

    When you get too close to Dan’s cherished idols he reacts like Donald Duck 🦆 grasping to his treasure.

    Dan has always been jealous of me, who is God.

    He wants it all for himself.

    They caste ones like that out of heaven.

    I don’t think Dan accepts he is the I AMs imaginary play thing.

    In fact, this has driven him crazy.

    Silly 🐔

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:32 pm

    The arrogance of the human being and particularly the fundamentalist is profound. I thought this little blurb from Bart Ehrman, a Biblical scholar and non-Christian honest.



    “So here is my “duh” moment. A rock has no way of recognizing that an animate object such as a dandelion exists. A dandelion has no way of recognizing that a panther exists. Now it gets a bit tricky. A panther has no way of recognizing that a superior intelligence exists. Yes, a panther does recognize in some instinctual sense that there are things out there to look out for. But it has no way of realizing that there are people who can engineer sky scrapers, or split atoms, or reconstruct the history of Rome. It simply is not in its purview ...

    The PROBLEM is that we humans always imagine we are the pinnacle of existence. We’ve always thought that. That’s why we have no trouble killing other things to satisfy our needs. I’m not opposed to that in every instance: every time I eat a meal or scratch my arm (killing who knows how many microbes) I do that. But it has always led to some rather enormous problems, from massive destruction of others in war to, now, our rather determined efforts to destroy our planet ...

    This idea that we ourselves are all-important has ironically crept out of our religion into our secular epistemology. If we are the top of all existence, then there must be nothing above us. And so we can use our brains to figure out everything else that exists. In principle, our brains can figure out *everything*.

    My revelatory moment showed me with graphic clarity that that just isn’t true, on epistemological grounds. Who says we’re the pinnacle? If quartz stone and maple trees and slugs could think, they would think *they* were the pinnacle – they wouldn’t have the capacity to imagine a Stephen Hawking or a Steve Jobs or a Frank Lloyd Wright. But they can’t imagine something higher than them. So what make us think we would have the capacity to imagine whatever it is that is above *us* in the pecking order? Frankly, it’s just human arrogance. Pure hubris. And I must say, looking at the world today, I’m not a huge fan of human arrogance and hubris. It’s not doing too well for us ...

    I’m not at all advocating we return to the religious constructions of previous centuries and millennia. I’m just saying that the possibility that there really *might* be orders of existence higher than I can imagine strikes me just now as completely plausible. Why not? Who says *I* can figure it all out. If superior forms of intelligence and will do exist, I would literally have no way of knowing. And how many different forms/levels could there be? God knows. So to speak.“

    I think the Gospel of Thomas most authentic. The death and resurrection of Jesus I think was added for effect to the story, but those events are not important. Dying for sins, nonsense.

    How he lived is the important thing and we only have stories of this, we will never experience Jesus like the ones he was with did.

    I think we have it all backward and wrong following popular traditional stories.

    One must go beyond these stories for the common.

    Living now is what Thomas pointed to and this is wisdom to me.  

    I don’t need a story to justify my life.

    I am here, how to live best is the only relevant question.

    Not why are we here or how or where do we go.

    That’s missing the point entirely.

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