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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 am

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature's first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf's a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost



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    Post by U Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:25 pm

    Yeah I'm a damn good psychic.



    https://www.history.com/videos/columbus-ufo-sightings



    LJ pay close attention!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:18 pm

    Dare to speak up.



    Finally, intuition prevails over tuition for the simple reason that superior knowledge cannot be imparted orally. Everyone must apprehend the truth for oneself. Emerson appears very explicit on this fact: “There is no doctrine of the Reason which will bear to be taught by the Understanding”. However, this has nothing to do with exclusion: “[...] whilst the doors of the temple stand open, night and day, before every man, and the oracles of this truth cease never, it is an intuition. It cannot be received at secondhand”. It only reveals the overwhelming limitation of our rational mind and language to convey Reality: “These [divine] laws refuse to be adequately stated. They will not be written out on paper, or spoken by the tongue”. As the Chinese philosopher Tchouang-tseu finely points out, if such truth could be communicable, everyone would have told his brother about it. Moreover, Emerson states that the orthodox churches’ principal error consists precisely in trying to communicate what is not communicable: “Historical Christianity has fallen into the error that corrupts all attempts to communication religion. As it appears to us, and as it has appeared for ages, it is not the doctrine of the soul, but an exaggeration of the personal, the positive, the ritual”.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:59 am

    From a Gnostic perspective U there are 3 kinds of people.

    The material - they shall pass with their bodies and be no more.

    The psychic - they have glimmers of reality, they shall pass into a kind of purgatory and get another chance to develop.

    And the spiritual - they shall fully develop themselves and rejoin with the source.

    Gnosticism is not a morally dualistic system, as Christianity has become.

    It is a process of revealing the hidden knowledge to spiritually advance.

    These higher beings make up the pleroma.

    There are 30 aeons that make up the pinnacle of advancement.

    There are 8 of the highest beings Thought, Truth, Word, Church, Life, Man, Power, and Immensity.

    At the top is the One.

    The being of the aeons flow down and produce the next level.

    Sophia, wisdom, longed to understand the whole scheme.

    Depth and silence started it but are ineffable.

    Sophia was upset not being able to understand.

    The frustration of wisdom that could not understand, produced matter.

    She was frustrated not being able to unify with the one, so matter came into being, her abortion.

    So Christ came to show us how to attain the secret knowledge and progress spiritually.

    Well, the early Christian’s rejected this and found it all quite bizarre.

    So the Gnostics felt.

    Me, I follow no system on the open road.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:47 am



    If you can NOT yourself, just for moment, you will relax and see what this is, through not seeing.

    I’ll tell you from my perspective/experience, all your questions can be silenced.

    You can find an answer, no answer.

    Still, never stop inquiring into the mystery.

    Or you can just sit around and watch the shadows on the wall.

    But if you go outside the cave, you will find the light.

    You will get more used to it and it will be ok.

    Ralph Waldo Emerson had a way to get to the outside.

    It’s an individual journey.

    It’s real.

    So set aside your doubt.

    Stop worrying about the shadows on the wall.

    Go out into the sun, while it shines.

    Truly, the light is in you.

    Outside the cave is inside yourself.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:09 am

    Last night had the craziest dream about a gravitational anomaly eating a hole through the earth.

    It was depressing and scary.

    I kept trying to get further away from the anomaly but the water kept coming and then I was in this giant whirlpool that was spitting the earth into space.

    So damn real.

    My fear woke me up, I wanted out of that fucking dream.

    I heard the ocean waves on my sound machine when I woke up and the central heater was running and I felt like there might be an ocean outside the window.

    Sounded like it.

    It turned out a military project triggered the event in my dream.

    The mind is just amazing.

    Since I stopped smoking pot I can remember my dreams incredibly vivid now.

    I never thought I’d stop smoking pot, but I stopped drinking and smoking a bit ago and I can tell a big positive difference.

    Switched to a vegan diet, started exercising more.

    Feeling good, clear.

    Got my shovel out and started shoveling the shit, put my back into it.

    I was letting my body go.

    But my heart and body brought me back.

    I’m going to volunteer at hospice I think.

    I have a knack helping people let go of their fear.

    Maybe I can be of a little service to some before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

    I’m 50 now and feel like I’ve lived four different lives.

    Maybe I’ll read them poetry and shit like that.

    Been working on my writing, can’t say it’s getting much better, but I’m keeping at it.

    For I have found the best in life is incommunicable.

    How bout that?!

    Been writing about the folks I’ve come to know and love through their art, but want to know them deeper.

    I want to know their pain and joy. Ralph Waldo Emerson has some good shit to say about that. He says know that all in history thought and felt as you did.

    I’ve been digging deeper everywhere and have to say I’ve never felt more alive, focused, productive, calm, in love.

    Had a surreal day on Saturday.

    Very existential, was just accepting of the whole damn mess of this beautiful life.

    Had some serenity I guess.

    It was nice.

    Had some fun and not so fun interactions with some folks on Reddit and FB.

    Peeps are angry.

    They don’t like their lives.

    Downright miserable.

    I like to swim out into the deep water with people.

    Can’t say I’m very patient with misery.

    Fuck that shit.

    Recently even stopped fighting with my wife so much.

    I love the girl, she’s crazy about my ole smelly 🐐 ass.

    Been talking to my Brother more who I’ve never really talked much with.

    He’s going through a divorce and I’m just trying to be there for him.

    The dope is so naive about women.

    He’s a solid dude, hard worker.

    He puts up a good front, but he’s scared like everyone else.

    He got involved in some crazy situation with a woman he met after his wife, who was out of work.

    I told him to have fun, but wise up maybe.

    He likes being a sugar daddy.

    We all got our fetishes and hang ups.

    Self esteem issues I guess.

    Been really nice to bond over our pedophile father and insanely religious family, haha.

    What a fucked up family we got, let me tell you.

    The brother of my sister’s husband killed himself.

    Found out that fuck molested my niece years ago.

    Found out my dad molested her too.

    I hope it hurt when he died.

    It’s tough not to wish my dad the pain he inflicted on others.

    But I can’t judge anyone.

    I never hurt a child, but I inflicted plenty of pain.

    God only knows how many people my asshole Father hurt.

    One reason my sister, mom and niece turned to Jesus.

    The only man who wouldn’t hurt them they dream.

    That is what makes them so mad at me.

    Cause I turned my back on their savior.

    I dared to kill my god.

    But I tried to tell them, Jesus met me as a brother and friend, not god.

    They can’t hear me at all.

    I’m over their shit, I’ll tell ya.

    Heartless bitches, but they are just in great pain.

    Unbearable pain almost.

    Almost killed my niece before she sobered up.

    They hate me more than my puke dad.

    How fucking ironic is that shit?!

    My brother doesn’t understand it.

    I kinda do.

    I think I’m gonna write a bit more about my father and my old religion and those bitches.

    I remember when he got his belt out and beat us the other day.

    He must have hated himself.

    He took it out on us.

    Probably partially what made me such an angry asshole I guess.

    It’s good when you know that fucking child disease is not in you.

    My brother and I been going deep together.

    We share these inner depth sounding experiences.

    I feel like a big brother now.

    I feel like a husband.

    I feel like a friend.

    Took me awhile to hit my stride, but I fucking did.

    No, I’m not going to leave my marriage again like I did in the past.

    I don’t quit shit anymore.

    I follow through.

    I won’t give up until I’m dead.

    I wasted enough time in my life.

    If I had known Plato and Socrates and Diogenes, I would have just had a beer with them and talked about the shit in life we all have to bear.

    One thing I can say all us humans have in common, we feel this shit.

    Deeply.

    All these people in prison, destroyed children, terrified and hardened.

    It hurts a lot.

    One thing I have is some fucking deep emotions.

    I’m very close to them now.

    Not letting that pain twist us into monsters is the great work and art of living and dying.

    Transmuting the shit of life into gold is godly I find.

    I dunno, guess I worked my shit out.

    But there is always more shit to shovel.

    I’ll get back to it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:28 am

    https://psyche.co/ideas/ancient-indian-texts-reveal-the-liberating-power-of-metaphysics?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7114f0244b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_02_14_05_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-7114f0244b-68629453

    You know I think William Blake underwent a lifetime of controlled and uncontrolled schizophrenia.



    That must be what Dan is like, bahaha.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:16 pm

    My last post on Dan’s thread.

    He is just filled with judgment.

    So be it.

    “I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies; and I quite admit the difficulty of believing that in every man there is an eye of the soul which, when by other pursuits lost and dimmed, is by these purified and reillumined; and is more precious far than ten thousand bodily eyes, for by it alone is truth seen. Now there are two classes of persons: one class of those who will agree with you and will take your words as a revelation; another class to whom they will be utterly unmeaning, and who will naturally deem them to be idle tales, for they see no sort of profit which is to be obtained from them. And therefore you had better decide at once with which of the two you are proposing to argue. You will very likely say with neither, and that your chief aim in carrying on the argument is your own improvement; at the same time you do not grudge to others any benefit which they may receive.”

    —Plato’s Republic - Book VII


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:20 pm

    Fantastic author.

    https://arthurversluis.com/

    Been reading his Wisdom’s Children and The Hermetic Book of Nature and https://www.amazon.com/Entering-Mysteries-Secret-Traditions-Indigenous/dp/1596500220



    I refuse to anchor myself in particular creeds.

    You have to go deep inside.

    This fundamentalist streak is just not it.

    They don’t really understand the freedom of the imagination.

    You have to find your own path.

    How can you be sure?

    You won’t ever be sure.

    You can’t look for certainty.

    You must always keep looking.

    You always have to maintain a little doubt.

    It’s the smallest doubt that may have given rise to us.

    You will freeze solid if you don’t maintain your doubt.

    Your Angel will show you how transparent the person you think you are is.

    It is so much easier to live by habit than being creative.

    The Eye in the Heart I love you from Dr. John Pordage’s Theologia Mystica 1683.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:55 am

    Yep, Dan’s deleting posts again.

    I love how I get to him.

    Warms the heart.

    Interesting he does that as Putin invades.

    He deleted Plato this time.

    “I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies; and I quite admit the difficulty of believing that in every man there is an eye of the soul which, when by other pursuits lost and dimmed, is by these purified and reillumined; and is more precious far than ten thousand bodily eyes, for by it alone is truth seen. Now there are two classes of persons: one class of those who will agree with you and will take your words as a revelation; another class to whom they will be utterly unmeaning, and who will naturally deem them to be idle tales, for they see no sort of profit which is to be obtained from them. And therefore you had better decide at once with which of the two you are proposing to argue. You will very likely say with neither, and that your chief aim in carrying on the argument is your own improvement; at the same time you do not grudge to others any benefit which they may receive.”

    —Plato’s Republic - Book VII

    His eyes and ears are closed.

    It is fascinating to watch.

    His heart is closed.

    Poor Dan.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:49 pm

    Snowy Topped Mountain

    I don’t make many waves anymore
    But lately I been feelin this itch
    I can’t explain it
    It feels like summer
    It feels like winter
    It feels like fall
    It feels like…springtime
    Funny thoughts rise up
    Words come
    Feelings groove along
    They flow and taste bubbly red with sparkles
    Sometimes I feel salty tears
    Leaking from my eyes
    I feel laughter erupting from my lungs
    I feel and hear my heart beating
    I feel so alive
    Something whispers…
    This is what a human being is
    Don’t forget
    But you are not just a human being it whispers
    You are an ocean of stars
    And all those stars are connected
    Each finds their place
    I found something it seems
    In all this chaos that made it real
    I found a love I am not worthy of
    I found a golden eyed girl who loves me
    She makes me feel like the sky is kissing me
    She loved me when I didn’t love myself
    Her smile makes me feel stars
    Before I found love
    I left my head on the road
    I left this nation behind
    I left my faith on the road
    I let my name go
    I forgot my face
    I lost my family
    They turned away from me
    They cast out their sweet son and brother
    I had a huge wipeout and then two
    Then three then the Tao
    I felt the force behind the waves
    I found this rhythm inside me
    Something wonderful
    Something so filled with light
    All else faded into black
    All my doubts just flew away
    Like bluebirds
    I almost faded into black too
    But as my mind was dissolving
    And I got all wobbly and such
    And began to dissapear
    A hand from nowhere reached out
    And it steadied me
    Then it pointed to this mountain
    And I heard on the wind

    Go there
    Go there
    Go there

    But there was no path or road
    So I made a path
    But I got lost so quick
    And then I came upon a forest
    So dark and deep
    It felt like the bluest blue
    And like the darkest night
    And it seemed like monsters were everywhere
    And they were going to eat me
    Then something called to me on the wind again

    This way
    This way
    This way

    Before I knew it
    I was out of the blue woods
    Heading toward a snowy topped mountain
    The past feels forever ago now
    I made friends along the way
    I let them see through me
    No apologies
    Most turned away
    But some came close
    So close we could almost
    See into each other’s hearts
    I love to see people become
    I really do
    I love to see them find their groove
    I really do
    I was lost once too
    Like all the rest
    But now wherever I am
    I’m never lost
    But all those years ago
    I was a fool living for nothing
    But I found something
    I found…no one is true or right
    There is no set path
    I found…within myself
    Deep mystery
    Now I have no creed
    Now I have no name
    But I am a citizen now of a golden city
    All of humanity lives there
    I don’t remember how I got here
    The wind reminds me
    This is where all human beings live
    Those who were and are and will be
    A city my ancestors built
    Something sees me now
    Where I felt alone before
    Now something is here with me
    Something lets me know
    This journey to the big mountain is worth it
    Somehow I know this
    Something lets me know
    You will not fail again
    And I won’t
    I won’t quit
    I won’t stop
    What does it all mean
    I wish I could tell you
    I wish I could take away
    All the pain and doubt
    I wish I could make the way clear
    But how would that help anyone
    I am someone worthy I found
    I am someone who will not steal from you
    I am someone who will not stab you in the back
    I may even show you my flowers
    I have not found the mountain yet
    But I won’t never stop trying to get there
    I see it a good ways off in the distance still
    Let me get back to it
    I have some walkin to do

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    Poor Dan and I don’t know shit.

    This knows itself.

    Christ was god creating a human nature for itself.

    A human nature totally one with itself.

    Christ is oneness with god.

    When Jesus was born Christ was revealed.

    Take off your stupid Christian glasses and consider Jesus.

    He never knew Christ.

    He never knew Christianity.

    He never read the New Testament.

    Jesus believed he should save Israel, not all of humanity.

    “Ours] is such a resumption of power, as if a ban- ished king should buy his territories inch by inch, instead of vaulting at once into his throne.. . . [For we can experience] Reason’s momentary grasp of the sceptre; the exertions of a power which exists not in time or space, but an instantaneous in-streaming causing power.”

    —Ralph Waldo Emerson

    There is only one human nature.

    Why are we different?

    Everyone is made with free will.

    This makes the person what they are.

    Person means difference.

    Nature means sameness

    God never made a person.

    We make ourselves persons.

    Part of you is nature-will.

    Part is what the soul made using free will.

    Who you are is not what you are.

    God never made an identity.

    Self awareness is part of nature.

    God didn’t create a Hitler.

    Each makes their own person.

    God made the human nature.

    God didn’t do it.

    God made evil possible through free will.

    Predestination is false.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:27 am

    I’m used to being banned.

    I get banned all over the internet.

    People don’t listen.

    I posted this today to Dan, he will delete it, but if anyone is watching, Dan is wrong.

    I don’t stop, as anyone who knows me will tell ya.

    It is my nature.



    I know you will delete this.

    Yuh don’t listen.

    I’m used to being banned by people.

    Anyway, you are wrong about Putin.

    You are wrong about almost everything.

    You don’t even understand persons.

    Listen to Bernadette Roberts.

    You won’t, but try.

    You want to get some insight into Putin read Maximus the Confessor.

    You don’t even know who Jesus was.

    Knowing your wrong is a good step.

    You are just human nature wearing a person you made through your choices.

    Same for Putin.

    And me.

    God gave you the ability to make yourself.

    But you ignore human nature.

    You don’t know how to commune with human nature.

    Until you do, you will be wrong.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:55 am

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    You think anyone will look back in this life and think about what they didn’t buy?

    Nope!

    Details from the 9 of wands from Tarot of the Holy Light.

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    Somehow, through an old woman, god is birthing a new vision in me and I will receive it.

    My veneer of cynicism has been shattered.

    A hidden cache of seed is sprouting now in my soul.

    Buried until this moment.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:26 pm

    Bernadette Roberts - The Real Christ

    Self is the entire system of consciousness, but no-self is no-consciousness. Most will get caught up in the contents of consciousness. Read some poetry and you get hints what is beyond consciousness. What does this mean for the esoteric student? You, yourself, are the ultimate book and guide to being. Your experience is the key. Not some esoteric initiation or group, or secret book, or ritual, you, yourself.

    A woman who truly attained this I feel, was Bernadette Roberts, died in 2017. She to me has more power in her pinky then 1000 of the greatest magicians across all ages. Just my very considered opinion.

    So scoff and huff if you like, due to the religious overtones. There is something deeply religious about human beings we can rediscover.

    Her writings are very relevant to the esoteric student. She is clear and documents her steps and results very well. No hidden messages besides the obvious one, know thyself. No secret puzzles. One could say that the no-self experience is the most powerful human magick.

    Don’t let the title fool you. This woman is a radical, she has done away with the extra bullshit the ego tops onto just being a human being. Why do we even attempt to attain the conversation with our Will if not to know our human nature joined to our real nature?

    She makes 99% of what is discussed on the Internet and published, so much nonsense and misunderstanding. I’d sit at her feet for awhile if I were you, which I am and I’m not.

    She used the language she knows, to read these kinds of accounts well, you have to read in between the lines and do your own work, have your own experience.

    Link to her last book - she lets the Jesus culters have it!

    https://ia801903.us.archive.org/6/items/roberts.real-christ/roberts.real-christ.pdf

    If you are a serious student of knowing thyself, and you are wasting your time if you aren’t, you can’t pass her by. You can perhaps meet her where she is, but only very very very few will do this.

    Be one of those.

    Look for yourself.

    “The true nature of self can only be fully disclosed when it is gone, when there is no self. One outcome, then, of the no-self experience is the disclosure of the true nature of self or consciousness. As it turns out, self is the entire system of consciousness, from the unconscious to God-consciousness, the entire dimension of human knowing and feeling-experiencing. Because the terms “self” and “consciousness” express the same experiences (nothing can be said of one that cannot be said of the other), they are only definable in terms of “experience.” Every other definition is conjecture and speculation. No-self, then, means no-consciousness. If this is shocking to some people, it is only because they do not know the true nature of consciousness. Sometimes we get so caught up in the content of consciousness, we forget that consciousness is also a somatic function of the physical body, and, like every such function, it is not eternal. Perhaps we would do better searching for the divine in our bodies than amid the content and experiences of consciousness.

    (From The Experience of No-Self.)
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:14 pm



    I stand with Lex, he stands in love.

    Proud of him.

    Best post he ever made.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:42 pm

    Take the one thing modern Christianity is built on, a person, and it all comes crashing down.

    Let it!

    Let this apostasy end!

    The logos is not a person.

    I dare you Dan, give up the ghost.

    Let your idol die.



    It turns out Christianity itself is the katechon.

    Jesus was a human being.

    If you really believe Owen, smash the idol.

    We made the rest up.

    Sure, it will be destabilizing and scary, but so for the best.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:43 am

    A letter I recently wrote a friend, my last will and testament I suppose.



    Also, let me share one terrifying aspect to the consciousness I feel about death, just my opinion, the true nature of death is entirely spiritual and not just physical. I kind of came full circle Surprised: on that point. The stoics say Amor Fati, love your fate and Memento Mori, remember you will die. I love them for this simple view. We each of course, are entitled to our own definition of “death”. I define death as the end of consciousness, and the experiencer.  The body will not know its own death. The organs cease to function and with them the faculties of the soul, or consciousness, ceases as well. Usually that’s the order.  For some, and maybe they are freaks, consciousness ceases first. The cessation of consciousness for me is the true nature of death. So what is all the fuss about? I think we have to ultimately let go of the unitive self we can find through this path of no path. You can’t sell that to people. Self is the cause of our conflict, not the answer. There can be no self after life. We want to grasp at an object or point. There can really be no subject or object of it all in the end. No more interiority. No vessel to be filled with anything any longer, so it is poured out. So pondering my death I saw what Jesus meant by saying, it is finished. The person dies and there can be no resurrection for the person. We each have a deep inner rebellion that takes time to subside. The self dies once its usefulness has been outlived. Then, comes the revelation of what remains in the absence of a self. Finally, even that which remains is absorbed into a mysterious dimension of existence. After the unitive state, consciousness seems to be needed less and less. Consciousness arises out of protection and fear, so I understand well your strong boundaries. They are good and natural. But I’m hinting at the result of what you seek. Does this make life meaningless for persons? Hell is the journey of realizing that the form is void. I am an expert in nothing but my experience. I wouldn’t wish no-self on a dog. Actually, I would. Something in us is determined to be alive. Senses are a form of limitation so we can live here. Why does this matter at all? Be mediocre, it can mean nothing or live as a human being, which might mean everything. Well, I know it means everything. The unitive state leads all it seems to the same place, being alone with the alone and they recede from the normal world. You find infinite amounts of compassion for your neighbor. They live fearlessly and courageously because they have all that matters. But this leads to living formless and non-personally. How can this happen, because death is spiritual and not physical.

    This last year I faced my death, my physical death. I felt myself slipping away, but I recovered. When this happened, a wind blew into me. A calm and peace and a fiery playful focus. Perhaps one must experience this to cross the abyss. I had found the unitive experience before that, but after, it was finished. No more bullshit. I became spiritualized. I partially came back to consciousness, but a part of me didn’t. The love of God is the strong desire for it. The unbound Will is the most direct route. I fell in love with god at an early age, I think you did too. It came to me. It told me what I would become, but I didn’t understand then. Remember? Probably one reason we reconnect now in our 50s. Whatever happens, I don’t care. So be it. My whole existence is from it anyway, what happens doesn’t matter really. One needs consciousness to function in the world. I have no right to tell people to give it up, I have not totally given it up. I stopped at the threshold. “If you really want to see me, stop looking. It’s what you are.” Was the answer I got back from my search. The ego is fine, it is the seat of the Will. But the ego allows great evil too, it is unstable. But my will became joined with the all. No one can ever take that from me, so fearlessness lives here now. I am incorruptible. I could never go back if I wanted to. I would never wreck my life. I refused to accept I had to die to know this. In a way this has made me a freak. We are meant it seems to live life consciously. Evil is its own punishment and virtue its own reward. I have no desire to drop all consciousness, it seems insane to do so. For then I would be dead in life. Or so I feared. There is nothing in the process of transformation for the self. No person becomes the Logos’ human nature. In regards to individuality and personhood, here is what St. Maximus the Confessor has to say, “Loss of individual personhood in union with God” and “Having God through prayer as its mystical and only Father by grace, the soul will center on the oneness of its hidden being by a distraction from all things, and it will experience, or rather, know divine things, all the more as it ​does not want to be its own​, or able to be recognized from, or by itself, or anyone else’s, but only all of God, who takes it up becomingly and fittingly as only He can, penetrating it completely ​without passion​ and deifying all of it and transforming it unchangeably to Himself.”

    Christ is non-duality.

    Another quote from him, “As Creator, the Logos stands at the beginning of creation, and as the incarnate Christ, He stands as its end when all things will exist not only through Him but in Him.  In order to be in Christ, creation had to be assumed by God, made God’s ​own​, this is the final glorification of man”. Not a who but a what. God as infinite existence, is the only real existence of all that exists. Consciousness is, as it were, a veil put over the mind that precludes the direct vision of God. The object of consciousness is always itself.”

    Your boundaries protect your self. I think they are so strong for you, because you know what is beyond your boundaries. Maybe you don’t fear complexity, but reality. Just this. I can’t speak for you. Objects of the senses are different from the object of consciousness. One's self is always the object of consciousness. Consciousness is, by its very nature, dualistic.  It is constantly bending back upon itself both voluntarily and consciously, as well as involuntarily and unconsciously.  There is also the dualism of the head and the heart (or right hemisphere and left hemisphere of the brain). It is only in the absence of consciousness, sometimes glimpsed momentarily in ecstasy, and eventually as a permanent condition, that this dualism is thereby absent.

    I like the flower analogy.  Think of people like flowers on a flowering tree.  These flowers are all different.  Because they have conscious free will, they can choose to hide and remain closed, or they can choose to open up to the sun, to strain towards the sun, to smell as sweetly as they can. In the end, they will all die and fall off.  But some will have been beautiful, and others not.  Perhaps we could say the flower becomes “Christ” when it realizes that, while it looks very different from the branch, it has never been anything other than an extension of the branch.

    The Stoics believed that there was no separation possible between spirit and matter.  Physicists today are well on their way to proving that they were correct. As they try to penetrate into the essence of matter, what it is at its core beyond leptons and quarks, they find things like “wavicles” and “tendencies to exist”.  In other words, matter is fundamentally non-material. If matter is really not separate from spirit, then perhaps miracles are simply spirit acting on matter in such a way that is consistent with ​its​ laws and not the laws of the material world as we currently understand them.

    The Eucharist then is not man consuming God, but the divine Logos consuming man.

    Tasty treats.

    My wife keeps me connected to my self, I allow this for her sake. For that I hate her and love her. Or I’d be living in a van down by the river Wink I suspect the same is true for you and your family. But it’s better to live a life with her. I ran from every woman I knew, until one wouldn’t let go.

    Recall in Plato’s analogy of the cave how the man returning to the cave after having seen the sunlight was treated by those who had only ever seen their shadows.  Not well. I lost it all trying to relate the sunlight I found outside of my friends and families beliefs. I became a scapegoat for them. Perhaps it is because the risk of the Incarnation was idolatry and we have all become idolaters. Fear paralyzes and fear of the Absolute paralyzes absolutely. No-self doesn’t automatically usher in some terrible form of existence. One still writes and has friends and makes love and laughs, but the joy is everlasting. A Buddhist would say this state is just Enlightenment and therefore you don’t need to be reincarnated any more. However, central to “enlightenment” is the understanding that you can ​never​ separate the soul from the body.  They are two sides of the ​same​ coin. Nobody needs to know if you are one with God. That is between you and God alone. It turns out holiness is ordinary and not mystical after all. The personality, or phenomenal self, is not transformed. The transformations happens only at the depths of one’s being. So people may not see any change at all.

    I don’t need you to see this or believe me. Not at all. I may be crazy after all. But I know better. I think we are evolving to be able to hold this vision better in mind. Yuh and I are an experiment perhaps. I think the invisible guides genes. It is not random chance. I can’t prove this of course. No one can.

    Things fall away and you are able to let them go because there is less self holding on. All spiritual work done before the unitive state, is merely reformation. It is offering, but then in the unitive state those offerings are accepted. Reformation is the level where most of us are at. We’re plodding along barely able to perceive the Spirit within, telling ourselves we’re doing just fine. In reality we haven’t got a clue. The path to the unitive state is well mapped out in all the major world religions. Classic Christian terminology calls it the purification of the faculties of the soul - memory, intellect, and will. These were the words scholastics used to describe distinctions in consciousness. 

    Ultimately my journey has been back to total trust. How ironic. How beautiful and wonderful is all I can say. Trust and love turn out to be two sides of the same coin - two words for the same thing. Another term that could perhaps unite these two would be Faith. By Faith, does not mean anything to do with concepts or beliefs for reward. Rather, it is the “truth-sensor” in humans. There is the Truth of what is beyond consciousness, and Faith can lead one to seeing It. I use the word “seeing” instead of knowing or experiencing because, beyond consciousness, there is no “knowing” as we usually understand the word. There is also no experiencer. All of this has led me to mean for the first time in my life,

    “Not my will, but thy will be done.”

    The option is to be, or not to be. It takes tremendous courage and trust to voluntarily accept our own non-existence. Our biggest spiritual problem is that we want to hang on to ourselves. Let’s face it, it is very comforting to have a self. We want to offer ourselves to God, but not all of ourselves. We want to keep the good parts after they have been transformed and enjoy ourselves in Heaven/Eden with God. We want to have our cake and eat it too. We have to let go of our very sense of existence. This is very scary for most people. What would life be like if we all lived it without fear? I’m answering that for myself everyday now.

    Joy.

    In the end it is not “who” we are that will be cared for, but “what” we are.  And this, in a way that is far better and more glorious than our wildest expectations. This is because “That which is not assumed is not saved.” In the incarnation God assumed no particular person, but human nature. What we are is a mystery that is miraculously being changed into something even more mysterious. (And we think we have all the answers!) Reason leads to mystery!

    Ultimately, it all comes down to trust. Only after all hope, thought, and experience had come to an end that what Is could reveal itself​ without any medium. This is because self or consciousness is man’s way of knowing. The Experience of No-Self, to know as God knows, self must disappear, be consumed, or get out of the way.

    As we know, love casts out all fear. I prefer the word trust to love because it is in the will, not the emotions. Fear of the unknown, fear of absolute nothingness, fear of death is what gives energy to the self. The spiritual path, then, is one of growing in courage. The spiritual warrior, rather than running from the nothingness of his or her own existence through addictions of any kind, embraces his or her own nothingness. This is why I have no addictions any longer. A truly courageous spiritual warrior I feel will even actively seek out their own dissolution in spirit. Why would anyone do this?  Because you cannot have more or less of God. You can only have more or less of self. Once there is less self to get in the way, then God can act more fluidly in the world. The Logos​, the beautiful business, intelligence, and plan of the universe is no longer thwarted at every turn. Of course, being thwarted is itself part of the plan perhaps. However, the choice remains ours to be ignorant and blind regarding our process of transformation, or cooperate and go willingly with the ​Tao​. When we walk in the ​Tao​, we fear nothing, including ourselves. Even that most ugly part of ourselves may not be feared. Fearing oneself is a strangle-hold on the ego. One will never walk in the Way as long as one is afraid of any aspect of their self. That aspect must be loved and embraced into nonexistence. Then it simply becomes, “this is what is happening here.”

    I ended up coming to a simple conclusion, “Have a good time!”

    So, if you want to live with integrity, I think you have to choose it. I accept my own mortality, I embrace it. It’s super scary at first. You feel so all alone. But now, when I’m at my best, I don’t put off for the future attuning my way of thinking to oneness. I do it today. I am fully alive. The time to live, learn, laugh, and love is now. Samuel Johnson said that nothing so concentrates the mind as the​ knowledge that one will be hanged in a fortnight. Ha!

    When you embrace your mortality, you see everyone around you in a new light. We are all just here for a flash, a blink of an eye. We are united by our aloneness. What we share is fallible and glorious. 

    Too bad for Aristotle who poo-pooed the philosopher Empedocles’ idea that the One Existent was love.  Empedocles held that love is the foundation of all existence. If God is the source and foundation of my life and being, and Love is the foundation of all existence, then it stands to reason, that God is Love.

    I just sang you a love song. I’m just dancing until I let go of this self once and for all. I have shared the reason for my joy. I won’t belabor the pointless point with you.

    I truly wish you joy and peace ****. We never have to speak of these things again.

    All my love.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:33 am

    Thanks for mentioning Empedocles.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:22 pm

    [url=Behold, the sunny comes out from behind the clouds. https://www.facebook.com/100008250645780/posts/3202785726673084/?d=n Show me a greater magick than that. I know a better trick, when the sun dawns with us. ]Sun appears from behind the clouds ⛅ [/url]

    “God is depth. And you, you fool, you are also deep. That same depth is in you.”

    —Shams Tabriz - Soul Fury 69

    No one will get any understanding from my words, that I surely know, yet I speak and write. It is what is between the words that the feeling is felt, that the exchange occurs.

    “Real growing does not come from books, but rather from walking out and doing things!”

    —Soul Fury - Shams Tabriz

    “I want someone with a pulse, a living friend, who says directly to me, ‘You are a part. I am the whole. Come into this awareness. Get to know me.’”

    —A poet speaking of his nature

    Time for a walk!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:00 pm

    Wanna Know What I Know

    —by smelly da goat

    Sweet LOVE

    You will have to 🔥 for it

    I fooled myself into love
    I have passed through
    The gates of fire
    Into eternal Love

    No one can touch it
    There is no sympathy here
    No secrets
    Just incredible radiant

    LOVE

    In all directions
    I could burn in its blue flame

    for eternity

    I met the Devil in me
    The only place to find it
    And it took my measure and
    It set me on fire when I asked

    Why

    All I heard was laughing
    As I burned in agony
    But the flesh needed
    To burn away

    What a gift that Devil gave me

    Freedom

    That Devil was Love

    You want to know
    The meaning of it all

    Then 🔥 for it

    I dare you

    Let it all BURN 🔥

    Don’t fool yourself

    This is not evil

    Oh no

    This is the secret

    No one will tell you

    You Must 🔥

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:16 am

    Transcendence

    In The Denial of Death ☠ Earnest Becker argues that “the basic motivation for human behavior is our biological need to control our basic anxiety, to deny the terror of death.” Becker suggested that a significant function of culture is to provide successful ways to engage in death denial.

    Becker also noted that the root of evil lies in the selfishness of human beings seeking to protect their own existence in the face of their mortality, which he regarded as an essential aspect of human nature.

    Becker describes human pursuit of “immortality projects” (or causa sui), as a denial of life ironically. In doing so, we feel that we become heroic and part of something eternal that will never die, compared to the physical body that will eventually die. This gives human beings the belief that our lives have meaning, purpose, and significance in the grand scheme of things.

    For Becker, the only suitable source of meaning is transcendence:

    “But I don’t think one can be a hero in any really elevating sense without some transcendental referent like being a hero for God, or for the creative powers of the universe. The most exalted type of heroism involves feeling that one has lived to some purpose that transcends oneself. This is why religion gives him the validation that nothing else gives him. … When you finally break through your character armor and discover your vulnerability, it becomes impossible to live without massive anxiety unless you find a new power source. And this is where the idea of God comes in” (Keen 1974).

    “From this premise, mental illness is most insightfully extrapolated as a difficulty in one’s hero system(s). When someone experiences depression, their causa sui (or heroism project) is failing, and they are being constantly reminded of their mortality and insignificance as a result. Schizophrenia is a step further than depression in which one’s causa sui falls apart, making it impossible to engender sufficient defense mechanisms against their mortality. Thus, schizophrenics must create their own realities in which they are better heroes. Becker argued that the conflict between contradictory immortality projects (particularly in religion) is a wellspring for the violence and misery in the world caused by wars, genocide, racism, nationalism, and so forth, since immortality projects that contradict one another threaten one’s core beliefs and sense of security.

    Becker also made the point that humankind’s traditional “hero-systems,” including religion, or are no longer convincing in the age of reason. Becker never believed that science could solve the human problem. He declared that people need new convincing “illusions” that enable them to feel heroic in the grand scheme of things, a form of symbolic immortality. However, he provided no definitive answer, mainly because he believed that no perfect solution exists. Instead, he hoped that gradual realization of innate human motivations can help to bring about a better world, producing worldviews that offer opportunities for non-destructive heroism.”

    I concur mostly with him having walked out my own cosmic Hero’s Journey. When one person’s set of illusions becomes mutually exclusive to another’s or can call into question one’s core of their identity. Then you have Big Trouble in little China. After the denial of death, our symbolic existence is all we have. People rage when their own project that they hope outlives them is brought into question. One will rage against such an assault. If your adversary wins the argument about truth, you die.

    History then can be seen as a set of ideologies that console for death. How can we mediate the clash of symbolic ideologies? This is what can lead one to casually shoot another for cutting them off in traffic. But a long rumination on our finiteness could lead to transcendence.

    Is life grim and helpless, well if you died at the hands of another, easy to think so.

    Self Transcendence

    “If we put this whole progression in terms of our discussion of the possibilities of heroism, it goes like this: Man breaks through the bounds of merely cultural heroism; he destroys the character lie that had him perform as a hero in the everyday social scheme of things; and by doing so he opens himself up to infinity, to the possibility of cosmic heroism, to the very service of God. His life thereby acquires ultimate value in place of merely social and cultural, historical value. He links his secret inner self, his authentic talent, his deepest feelings of uniqueness, his inner yearning for absolute significance, to the very ground of creation. Out of the ruins of the broken cultural self there remains the mystery of the private, invisible, inner self which yearned for ultimate significance, for cosmic heroism. This invisible mystery at the heart of every creature now attains cosmic significance by affirming its connection with the invisible mystery at the heart of creation. This is the meaning of faith. At the same time it is the meaning of the merger of psychology and religion in Kierkegaard's thought. The truly open person, the one who has shed his character armor, the vital lie of his cultural conditioning, is beyond the help of any mere "science," of any merely social standard of health. He is absolutely alone and trembling on the bring of oblivion-which is at the same time the brink of infinity. To give him the new support that he needs, the "courage to renounce dread without any dread...only faith is capable of," says Kierkegaard. Not that this is an easy out for man, or a cure-all for the human condition-Kierkegaard is never facile. He gives a strikingly beautiful idea:

    not that [faith] annihilates dread, but remaining ever young, it is continually developing itself out of the death throe of dread.

    In other words, as long as man is an ambiguous creature he can never banish anxiety; what he can do instead is to use anxiety as an eternal spring for growth into new dimensions of thought and trust. Faith poses a new life task, the adventure in openness to a multi-dimensional reality.”

    —Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

    Being alone with the alone is one way to express this.

    What is this invisible mystery, the invisible in us connects to?

    To Becker the universe may well have some ultimate significance, you just won’t ever know what it is. No matter how small, your actions have significance playing out in the cosmic play. You can’t know. This ultimate significance is silent to you. It isn’t seen in any system, it is effectively invisible to you. But you can still connect with this invisible. This opens a mode of existence not available to the majority of those who have lived perhaps.

    You aren’t an all important monkey who will live forever because you figured out the mysteries of the universe. But just one of billions who are all in this together. Ironically through abandoning the delusional persistence of immortality, we can actually find a way to grow closer to one another. In that world view empathy takes center stage. We have a valuable tool to use to navigate a chaotic existence. Becker felt we are fundamentally a religious creature. Shifting our perspective to the silent, the invisible is effective in dealing with this feeling of insignificance. Religion helps us transfer awe and terror to the cosmos. The personality can expand itself. God is hidden to allow us to expand and develop.

    Hope in the grimness. Leaving self justification and heroism gives us an abstraction. Ironic, only after you have abandoned ultimate meaning, that you can truly live free.

    This relates to Camus, an absurdist.

    Arriving here is not the end of the road, this is only the beginning of the race. So what are you going to do next? Accepting everything around us is not a dead end, it leads to revolt. You can commit suicide or you can commit Philosophical suicide like being a Christian or communist or eschatologist. He saw a way somewhere in the middle. We have the certainty of a crushing fate, but that is not all of it. This is a kind of transcendence grounded in the absurd, not in an immortality project. The only thing we can be sure of is the absurdity of the universe and our demise. Creating meaning is what holds us back, to Camus. Not until you abandon all hope in human meaning do you have any life at all.

    Becker is not saying we should be ok with dying. But being aware of our illusions gives us power over them. The pursuit of immortality projects causes us to dehumanize and silence others. Maybe we don’t need a philosophical antidote after all. Death ties a bow on a completed work, our lives. This actually then can give life meaning.

    Death teaches us it is probably better to drink the remaining moments of our life, than die of thirst waiting for it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:51 pm

    Going headless is a radically empirical way to accomplish instantly what some search for their whole lives or many lives.

    You will have instant Disclosure.

    Point back at what is looking out of your eyes.

    The key to this method is noticing that you cannot see your own head. Rather than looking out of a head, visually speaking, or thinking, there is just a gap here. Indeed, early Chinese Zen masters referred to the need to ‘chop off one’s head’. Hui Hai claimed that he could teach nothing as he had no tongue to teach with. The heart sutra, which distils the essence of Zen teaching, states that ‘in emptiness there is no form, no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind.’ Zen masters also urge practitioners to recognise their ‘original face’ – another name for one’s true nature.

    The stoics were no monists by our modern definition. We can’t really think like they did in modernity. They had a dialectical monism. It was not a religion or a belief, but using the logos, you could see the void. It is an ongoing practice for life.

    The key to being a good practitioner is to focus on the act (which is within one’s control) rather than the outcome (which isn’t). Herrigel says that the good archer is one who shoots well, which isn’t necessarily the same as always hitting the target. He also says that the goal ought to be to shoot well, not hitting the target, although paradoxically this may in fact lead to one hitting the target more often. Antipater says something quite similar, especially about shifting the definition of the goal from an external outcome to an internal action.

    You can’t control outcomes.

    But you can know your true nature, your sun, right now.

    This cuts through all of mind.

    This silences dan and the 10k and Putin and trump.

    This is seeing, not seeing.

    I can’t teach it, but I can point you at it.

    This is the source of my eternal smile.

    This is your original face.

    No rapture, no Eschaton, no disclosure needed.

    Dan and his friends are fools, utter fools, the definition of a muppet!

    This is the sound of one hand clapping.

    I assure you, anything else is the cosmic conspiracy.

    Poor Dan, a muppet to the last, he should have applied what his Sufi teacher taught him.

    Taking this in and practicing it, is medicine for your mind.

    We are very sick, but there is a cure.

    Death to your ignorance!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:41 pm

    Alright chickadee 🐥 time for me to mosey along.

    I’ve said my piece.

    There was never anything to say really.

    I just liked giving y’all a hard time.

    Have a nice life.

    Been a lot of fun.

    If anyone ever wants to pass the time, you can drop me a line at:

    dasmellygoat@gmail.com

    Thanks Cy 🙏

    Smelly Goat signing off…

    “There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing.”

    🐐💨

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri May 20, 2022 9:23 pm

    Staring straight into the shining Sun…






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