With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
You should adopt a creed like Stoicism, Epicureanism, or some such that connects you to life.
You should always be doubting and experimenting.
Not transcending.
We all can use help with anger and fear.
You have to live with it.
Face it and stand and move straight on anyway.
We are ruled by our emotions.
No one is really civilized.
You can’t transcend.
You will implode and your breath will leave you.
Because nothing will be here anymore breathing.
We are selfish evil bastards and to deny that isn’t a part of being is a low down dirty lie.
We are not just quiet and peaceful.
We are rowdy and hungry.
That is a path to insanity.
Considering Dan and hobbit are already wacko, of course they would be looking for an escape, hehe.
There isn’t even such a thing as ego.
There is all of your experience.
Show me your ego now.
You cannot transcend something that only exists in thought.
You can’t find the ego.
It’s a white rabbit.
This should be obvious to ole geezers like you two.
But a smelly goat has to take you down a few pegs.
It’s easy joyful work.
What ever our thinking about our awareness, that is part of your total experience too.
Why would you cut your arm off?
You can see clearly.
Or you can confuse yourself or be confused.
Or you can know.
Only ones who don’t know themselves want to transcend and escape and dissolve.
You are individuals and you are more.
Your life is your first real concrete evidence of this.
The smelly goat does not seek an escape from his stink, but others often run for the door.
Inauthentic muppetz run.
Have funz.
I’m not lookin for peaceful egoless friends, disgusting 🤮 I’m lookin to get stinkin drunk 🥴 with my best buds.
I’m lookin to get high and raise a stink about nothin.
Amor F’in Fati
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Let’s have some fun muppetz.
This goat is feelin the firez
My, it is burning 🥵 in me.
I’m gonna let you have it.
If you could teach what a cow knows, who would come to you to study it?
Muuuuu.
You udder pretenders.
That’s zen humor, funny mfkers.
Do you know what it feels like to be a cat or a dog?
Who is having the thought 'there is no self'
We are stuck in the conventions of language thinking there actually needs to be a subject for that verb of "thinking. Where in reality the thought of yourself thinking is just another thought. It's an illusion and you're convinced its real for a multitude of reasons.
But don't be offended because the offence is the offender itself.
Your seeing is not the same as my seeing. Thoughts don't float in the air like they have no ownership. If there is no coherent person/self then there would be no thoughts.
No such thing as free will or determinism. Our action are neither determined nor free. Our actions are as free as those of a dog or cat or a baby or a toddler or a cow.
“What we cannot speak of, we must pass over in silence”
-- Wittgenstein
The issue of free will is one of those things which we cannot speak of.
“If a lion could speak, we could not understand him.”
-- Wittgenstein
Even though you are consciousness you still can't know how it really feels like to be a cow.
i have confidence in Yours been highly expanded, it is measurable to odd balls such as Myself.
You only exist because of this local field , that existance is a memory switching on'off countless times a so called second.
The FIELD diameter is very important in comprehending universe, young girls often have vastly expanded fields and need careful protection, ( swamp dwellers abound)
Temporary expansion of the field via such as certain fungi leads to the ability to TRIP , the trip is across dimensions that relate close to feet and inch measures ( annoyingly not precise)
This is where My uncle fibonacci comes in especially when over 55 feet diameters are achieved, that is where the white rabbits live.
It is difficult to remember what the dormouse said, You need to repeat what He said to lock the memory into your relatively tiny field memory.
All is one in a really big memory, which in ignorance is called god as some sort of supreme creator.
Time is not prompted by love - love exists outside of time. Time a restrictive limitation if you're describing it in a materialistic framework. Yet you reject science so I am not sure what we are really discussing here. I sense a deep confusion in your posts.
Your rejection of Justice further clarifies and builds the framework around your BPW hypothesis. Thank you.
This is a much different position than your previous post. Perhaps you haven't fully thought through all of this and that is perfectly fine.
Injustice seems to serve the frameworks in the Bible - with justification of the Exodus in Egypt, to Joseph and his technicolor coat to Jesus. The idea of Grace of agape love is a crutch for poor behavior and projects the focus of doing the actual work in the opposite direction. Rather than an inward gaze it is externally focused and projected into God's grace washing over all sins. It leads to narcissistic pathological behavior and the inability for oneself to take responsibility tied to their actions. Truth and Justice are necessary guide rails. The BPW protects the old framework that is clearly broken.
Many of David's prayers in the Psalms are seeking God's revenge on his enemies - Passover is celebrated for the slaughtering of every 1st born of Egypt's families. Revenge is a clear theme of the fabric of the Bible. Tying Justice to revenge is a philosophical mis-step. Your attempt to separate Justice from Truth and tying Justice to revenge is weak and more revealing. Please let's speak intelligently.
The only example of reconciliation in the Bible is the story of the Prodigal Son. Reconsiliation is an interesting concept worth exploring.
Now you are justifying violence as a means to control, or as you put it "create awe" (Shock and awe anyone?) to establish a monotheistic framework. In other words...beat your child into submission and then they will accept and love you. You can come in and "amend" your story to let them know you were wrong all along and that you love them unconditionally. I want you to know I'm here for you to work this all out Dan with the BPW.
I’m suggesting that the Torah was a necessary prequel to the New Testament, which, in its turn was a prequel to the Parousia.
I’m open to other suggestions...... that’s the best I’ve come up with.
0300........
Reflecting on impeachment........
It is the rare politician who becomes a moral leader.
That is not their job. Their job is not to represent the higher angles of their constituents. It is to represent their interests. It is hard to imagine it being any other way.
And those are almost always the shortest term interests of those constituents.
Observing globally, the rise of Trump reflects the rise of identity politics, generally.
It can get worse.
This incipient downward spiral is a sign of the loss of our modern vision of material progress.
Modernism is virtually synonymous with the promise of a cornucopia.
It will not be easy to transmute material expectations into the spiritual kind...... an understatement!
We are talking about the transition from Barfield’s regime of ego consciousness into the regime of our final participation..... as our Omega hoves into sight.
The rise of identity politics reflects a reversion to an original participation...... understood simply as tribalism. This confusion of the prehistoric and post historical is the greatest danger we face.
Moving in the post historical direction would entail the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).
It’s difficult to imagine such a shift without the benefit of inter dimensional phenomena...... also referred to as portals.
dan wrote: It’s difficult to imagine such a shift without the benefit of inter dimensional phenomena...... also referred to as portals.
Such would be the anticipated Disclosure.
Or the tic-tac as disclosed by the DoD. One could describe it as operating in an inter interdimensional method. Perhaps there is consciousness attached to its function. If we are defining "portal" as the ability to traverse between one dimension to another then the consciousness is the currnet bridge. If you are suggesting our physical bodies are a part of this "portal" transition, let's make sure you don't have any metal in your body first.
You need to be specific when describing Portals - it is a loosely used term here. This is a forum where one must be specific. Yesterday you took a good step forward in this practice when describing the monotheistic violence 1st, love 2nd (shock and awe) approach to the BPW framework.
If collectively we are going to make progress together when discussing these topics it is imperative to be specific when appropriate. I agree that specificity can also be a distraction. However in relationship to the area between the material and immaterial worlds which includes inter-dimensional portals, consciousness, phenomena such as tic-tacs, and the existing frameworks as well as new frameworks let us be judicious.
Foresaperire wrote:You referenced it this morning in relationship to politics. Anyhow, it's not my job to point out the sloppiness of your framework and thought.
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