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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by hobbit Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:21 am

    dan wrote:Poor, hobbit, he has never taken a philosophy or a physics course.  

    He thinks that when he looks at a tree 🌲, he sees a tree........ well, actually, you do, but it is a tree of your own manufacture.

    No, we are not thrown into the world...... it is thrown into us.  

    Everything is upside down and backwards from what you learn under the regime of modernism.  



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    Hardly ever went to school, never mind any courses.

    I don't simply look at a tree, I detect it's memory field of consciousness, it is remembering to be and the observer is within it's memory field which are both within the planets memory field.

    The tree is observing the observer, it's all by field.

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    Post by dan Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:46 am

    hobbit speaks of a planet’s memory field, but he is the only one with the concept of a planet...... or of memory...... or of time.

    No natural or artificial objects exist, other than by your objectification of it.

    Yes, there is just one field of consciousness, or mind field.  Nothing exists apart from that field.  

    ‘Things’ emerge out of our words and imaginations.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:31 pm

    I think you are wrong Dan, always been wrong about some coming.

    Already here baby.

    I think you are missing this by a mile.

    Yah yah materialism is bologna, but so is every imagined heaven and hell.

    You idealistic nutcake.

    Poor chick.

    Miss it by an inch, miss it by a galaxy.

    I think you are lost in reality.

    We await you here...in the real.

    Your friends?

    They ain’t real.

    Hobbit, smelly and chick, they be fairly real.

    The rest are not quite here.

    They can’t make the phase transition.

    It is like they are all on the other side of the glass, but here we are.

    I’m not sure how I arrived, but I am here.

    You see, this here sells itself.

    Whatever you and the muppets think you know, you simply don’t ;0

    This is humorous really.

    I have been trying to talk you down to the ground, but instead, I can only make fun of you and your muppet friends now.

    I have always enjoyed the bologna here, 3D ain’t so bad.

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    Post by dan Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:56 am

    1600z........

    Chivo is attempting to say that our existence is complete....... expectations are either trivial or otiose.  

    I disagree.  I harbor great expectations.  

    We can’t both be right.

    Chivo is concerned for my mental health, when it turns out that my great expectations are ill-founded.  

    How about........ nothing ventured, nothing gained?

    If there is a ‘Second Coming’, will Chivo have to kick himself in the rear end........ or can he just be pleasantly surprised?  

    As if anything could ever surprise Chivo!

    And then we have phenomenon of failed prophecies.......

    The best possible world hypothesis hinges on the fact that the best possible world is personal........ it is for, by and about persons.  

    A personal world is necessarily finite...... in the number of persons it may contain....... there can only be a finite degree of separation between any two persons...... it’s like one big family where all of us are soulmates.  

    The finiteness of the world necessarily involves a finite span of our mundane history.  

    The best possible world is necessarily monistic..... in some personal sense.  

    The monism of the world is tantamount to the denouement that we all become one with the One...... ie, in some cosmic sense, there is only one person...... all of us are reflections of that one person.  

    That pretty much covers the waterfront of the best possible world.  

    The principal remaining question is the nature and imminence of the End of history.  

    The best possible Eschaton will necessarily include a Revelation.  

    This Revelation will take the form of a paradigm shift that I refer to as the MoAPS...... the mother of all paradigm shifts......
    I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.  But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
    I mean, that’s the best I’ve been able to come up with, so far....... and I’m certainly open for suggestions.  

    Well, actually, we do already have a significant elaboration on the above....... instead of just one SoT, we have three visitors...... Princess 👸, foot 🦶, and chick 🐥...... or maybe the third visitor is Donald Trump....... that option is still open.  

    Of course, the other option is....... none of the above.  

    Well, and/or donny is the Anti/ante-christ.  

    We have several options to choose from...... and we’ve barely gotten started.  

    Let us not forget the Chivo option....... well, I guess we already covered it....... none of the above.  


    1800.........

    Will chick 🐥 be terribly upset if doesn’t get to be the Second Coming?

    Well, frankly, I’m more worried for you folks than for myself.  

    If something miraculous doesn’t happen soon, the prospects for humanity are not on the up and up.  

    There can be miracle in physics, like a source of free energy.  

    Or there could be a contact with extraterrestrials alien.

    Or there could be a metaphysical/paranormal event.  

    Otherwise, our prospects for the future are diminishing....... perhaps accelerating downward.  


    2050...........

    It appears that most folks would agree with Chivo........ we will continue to go on with business as usual.  

    There will be no global calamities, beyond what we have already witnessed.  

    There will be no miraculous events.  

    Mainly, we will just keep muddling on through.  

    If there were to be some unprecedented calamity, there is very little that we could do to prevent it.  

    On the other hand, if some miracle is to happen, so much the better...... we’ll believe it when we see it.  

    In the meantime, there is no point in getting our knickers in a knot...... in getting bent out of shape...... over our own speculations.  

    If some doomsday is coming, most of us will probably not live to see it.

    And our children, if any, do not wish to be sucked into these speculations.  

    Let’s just try to go on about our lives...... in as normal a fashion as possible.  

    The only thing that most folks might agree on is climate change, and upon the untoward effects that may result there from.  

    There does not yet seem to be sufficient political will, globally, to take any drastic action in the foreseeable future, in that regard.  

    And we may run out of fossil fuels ⛽ before before the worst climate effects set in.  

    Running out of fossil fuels will present us with another set of issues.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:18 pm

    The idealist will die on their hill.

    So be it.

    I get to have all the other hills and valleys then.

    I contend Dan doesn’t understand how to live here or what life really is.

    Perhaps he should burn every word he’s ever spoken or written.

    Maybe he should rebel against his own order, his own mind.

    This is what it is, inside and out.

    Our senses can only show us what we want.

    Dan is like the French Maginot line, you can simply go around him.

    Blitzkrieg!

    The water flows around impediments.

    So flow like water.

    Idealists and ideologues are dangerous and should be isolated and all set wandering in open fields.

    It is interesting how the software differs between muppet nodes of the great wide open.

    Some just cant hack life.

    Some are just angry.

    Under Dan’s skin, there is boiling.

    I get it.

    Some just can’t face it.

    Whaaa Whaaa

    If we were all the same, there would be no need for the logos.

    As long as we disagree, we delay.

    Let us delay.

    Let us slow down and sync with the seasons.

    Let us turn away from this virtual world of simulacra.

    It is hollow and empty.

    Let us set down the devices in our pockets.

    Let us stop lighting the rockets.

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    Post by dan Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:05 am

    1300z........

    Chivo prides himself on his laid-back sanity.  

    Well, I take no small pride in the fact that foot once told me that I was the most sane person he knew, but that was before he really knew the Princess....... if you want to see sanity....... in the flesh!  

    You have to be fairly sane to not be taken in completely by scientific materialism.  

    And can scientific materialism be half right?  

    It can, but only under the aegis of immaterialism.  

    Understanding that small caveat was my ticket to sanity.

    In order to be sane, you have to have one foot 🦶 on the ground, which is #2.  

    Poor Chivo........ he has zero feet on the ground....... he really needs to get himself a wing suit...... but he does have his own Princess...... and with the Princess 👸, I get to have two feet on the ground...... when she deigns to speak with me.  

    Ours is the best possible insane asylum.  

    Hey, we are the very willing victims of the best possible Coverup.  

    Folks are still beating on the Pearly Gates to be allowed one more chance........ to put on their wing suit.  

    We only go around once?  

    It’s hard to say.  

    We go around the best possible number of times...... especially when we’re one with the One.  

    But, yes, poor Chivo doesn’t quite understand the logical necessity for the Metanarrator to be a drama 🎭 queen.  

    I mean really..........

    Where would 10^10 of us be without a smidgen of cosmic Choreography?  

    How much imagination did it take to come with this plot line?  

    The only real problem was how to not let the plot get spoilt...... and there you have 2&3.  I just get to be a spectator...... pass the popcorn 🍿.  

    Hey, we all have our sanity strategies...... however convoluted they may be.  

    So what is donny up to, we might wonder?

    Is he about to spill the beans?  Who better, at this point?  

    What about Joe?  Joe is our perfect dog catcher in Chief....... I mean..... talk about Central Casting....... he sure had to pay his union dues, however.  


    1430.........

    I’ll tell you the problem with Chivo....... he has very little sense of humor....... well, I take that back..... he has the best possible smelly sense of humor.  

    Me?  I’m just waiting to hear back from the Princess....... we’re always waiting on the Princess.  

    But foot did wish me a happy Easter 🐣...... so, there!  

    I wonder if Chivo isn’t actually paranoid?  

    He’s like the lady swimmer who embraced the shark 🦈


    1540.........

    What was it that kept Charlie D up at night........ the human eye 👁.......
    That which seems absurd can be shown to be sensible, if observation and reason dictate.
    Hmmm 🤔.......... we don’t say, Charlie.  

    Was Charlie sane?  

    To say that he was playing with half a deck, would be most generous.  

    And I have to wonder about all those other scientists who are too smart by half........ at the very least.  

    So what keeps me awake at night.........?  Hey, I sleep 😴 like a little chick 🐥.  

    I’m honestly trying to remember the last thing that kept me awake......

    Was it atoms ⚛ or stars ✨........ or what?  

    That’s the thing.......... nothing really stands out that much, anymore.  

    I try not to get my knickers in a knot 🪢.  

    If truth be known, I don’t have to try all that hard.  

    I remember, now........ it was the boundary problem.......

    It’s still the biggest problem, but I manage to roll with the punches...... anymore.  

    So, sure, there is a boundary problem....... that’s why we have portals...... serving as airlocks.  

    So, naturally, each portal tends to be rather ad hoc......... remembering that it’s all about the entanglement.  

    We don’t have a boundary problem with outer space 🪐.

    Why not?  

    The spacecraft is our portal....... ha, ha!  Fooled, ya.  

    And let me tell you, sports fans........ that Saturn V had a whole bunch of entanglement.  

    And, let me tell you........ you can travel to the most exotic place in the world........ but, guess what....... try as you might...... you just can’t leave yourself behind....... speaking from experience.  

    That should tell us something about portals, maybe.  


    1750.........

    Yes, Chivo gets to be the straight guy, on our ship of fools.  

    It may make him feel sane......... in his wing suit...... but the ground is not getting further away.  

    Chivo has oodles of animal faith...... wherein dwelling upon existential issues does not bring any fringe benefits.  

    Just to prove his nonchalance, here he is, embracing the shark 🦈.  


    Anyway, I’m thinking we have a pretty good handle on the outer space problem....... as long as we remember the spacecraft.  

    What’s the next biggest boundary problem?  

    And we have to remember that actual portals are extremely ad hoc.  

    And I love the video of the parachutist 🪂 forgetting his parachute when he jumps out of the plane.  Fortunately, he doesn’t realize the predicament until he reaches for the ripcord...... so he doesn’t have long to fret.  

    This is the situation that we are all in, just about now, even Chivo.

    The portals are our parachute, but we can’t find the ripcord.  

    Well, necessity is the mother of invention.  

    Chivo has been vouchsafed a robust preview of his own personal portal, and he loves to make fun of the rest of us........ trying to locate our ripcords.

    I think it’s a little sad, when that is the extent of your humor....... but Chivo’s is the best possible sadness.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:27 am

    As I’ve gone through more of the QAnon history on 8chan and 8kun, it is an obvious psyop, duh.

    Supposedly there is a cabal of corrupt insane us intelligence folks feeding this crazy crack pot kid insane theories.

    Same kid who ran the Cicada internet scam.

    Ironically it might be run by the Chinese.

    I notice the same techniques used in disclosure and QAnon.

    I think the hbo doc made a good case for who Q is.

    A really smart cynic who styles himself like Diogenes ironically.

    All those people who fell for it wanted to believe it is all a sham.

    And it is they themselves who are the sham.

    Anyway, it goes very deep into our minds.

    They string out dates in disclosure like QAnon does and the evangelical apocalyptics.

    Dan is infected with that mind virus as well.

    Allowing politics into the American church has basically destroyed it.

    Evangelicals are in big decline, thankfully.

    The ironic thing is the sham is their beliefs and religion.

    Kind of incredible all of these muppets absolutely wasting their lives and minds on this psychic 🦠

    Enjoy, eat it all up little muppets.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:36 am

    Dan wrote:Chivo prides himself on his laid-back sanity.

    Hard won ease and sanity, get some.

    We wouldn’t want to piss god or the devil off being too relaxed now.

    Pride is for muppets, that’s your department.

    They are idiots mostly.

    Nasty little idiot children who need minders.

    I am not their minder, again, that’s your gig.

    If I was in charge, I’d let them all just wander around in open fields and air drop them food now and then Wink

    So few human beings left on earth now.

    I’m for them.

    Why would any human being commit suicide over the stupidity of idiot muppets?

    What a waste to cast yourself off this mortal coil due to their stupidity.

    The QAnon kid may be smarter than he seems.

    He knew that when the fraud was exposed, the people would implode.

    He thinks this is a good technique to shock people awake.

    I suppose.

    But no one can control that power.

    Our plans are shit and our execution is worse.

    We can’t even tend to our own world or the poor or sick.

    We let psychopaths run our govt and corporations with no soul.

    We deserve what we get because we are so stupid.

    Nature, you made us.

    Should I blame you?!

    We abdicate our good sense, that’s on us.

    As long as we look to others or beyond for answers, we will be lost and easy pickins for the vultures and wolves.

    Naaa, relaxing means you don’t have to blame anything for anything.

    Cynicism has its place to remind the herd how stupid they are.

    No one likes cynics.

    It’s a fun but lonely gig.

    No one wants to stop the party.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:59 am

    My secret is Dan, I’m not waiting for Godot and if you understand this crazy life, yuh would know what I mean.

    Life is symbiosis as Becket said, a game.

    “Existentialists hold that there are certain fundamental questions that all human beings must come to terms with if they are to take their subjective existences seriously and with intrinsic value. Questions such as life, death, the meaning of human existence and the place of God in that existence are among them. By and large, the theories of existentialism assert that conscious reality is very complex and without an "objective" or universally known value: the individual must create value by affirming it and living it, not by simply talking about it or philosophising it in the mind.”

    I relate most to existentialism and post-structuralism, mine is a lived ethic.

    The rest can do as they like.

    I could care less really.

    They will live and die and that’s all we can concretely know in matter.

    And a fate we all share.

    Muppets will do most anything to act like and think they can escape death.

    Don’t waste thought or time on the stubborn.

    We do not need to wake anyone up.

    That would be tyranny.
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    Post by Foresaperire Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:14 pm

    A view on the {Q}uantum Society: https://shimmerkid.com/2021/04/04/going-quantum/amp/
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:21 pm

    Only a physicist can use the word quantum.

    It belongs to them.

    I get the gist though.

    Smashing ones idols is a preliminary step to your chains dropping.

    Emergence is another thing entirely.

    That happens after you try to wake others up and give up.

    Final participation is emergence to use our theme here to connect to your thought.

    Dan and I firmly see as Owen Barfield did.

    This is the transition to final participation.

    I do not accept or listen to anyone’s channeled knowledge.

    Barfield bought a lot of Rudolph Steiner, Swedenborg, and Blake’s channeled visions.

    Those guys saw what they could see of a possibly invisible dimension, an inner dimension.

    So, what is emergence?

    I feel that is beyond words and for each to find, but most alive today I think will not.

    We need a few generations more to pass I feel.

    So we will live through the event horizon, but I do not know if we can see the promised land yet.

    The undiscovered country beckons.

    Memento Moray

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:48 am

    1250z........

    Fores,

    Thank you for bringing Stephen Marshall to our attention.

    He has good intentions........ he sees that the answers to our social/political problems lie deep in our collective psyche.  

    And, yes, he is searching for the MoAPS.  

    But, yes, Stephen has not a scientific/philosophical/historical bone in his body.  

    He hasn’t done his homework.  

    Long ago, I realized that truth was not to be found in the political or economic sphere.  

    Stephen is waking up to that fact......... perhaps a tad too late.  

    But, yes, there are many Stephens out there....... searching.  

    They, like Chivo, have experienced a personal paradigm shift.  

    Unlike Chivo, Stephen believes he can translate his ‘quantum’ paradigm into the popular psyche.

    He believes that there will be a cosmic trigger........ and even Chivo is coming around to that understanding...... even though it might require several more generations of percolation, according to Chivo.


    1350..........

    Stephen is ripe for the plucking........

    His problem is that he is (still) a revolutionary....... he wants to be out on the barricades.  

    What I detect, not far beneath his spiritual surface, is a strong element of Marxism....... we have only to overthrow our slave masters.  

    However, he says that we are here for a purpose....... and that purpose has something to do with cosmic love.  

    The crucial questions he fails to ask......... who are we...... from whence do we come, and whither do we go?  

    These are pretty basic....... I wouldn’t leave home without the answers.  

    When you have the answers, you realize, like Chivo, that you don’t have to leave home.  

    If we have the answer, the world will beat a path to our doorstep...... eventually.  

    How........ eventually?

    In my best estimation, it will be sooner than later...... especially, now that the World is wired.  

    Once the novelty of the Internet and TikTok has worn off, more folks will start searching for the News from Nowhere.  

    They’ll know it’s out there..... they just have to find the needle in the haystack....... the Cosmic Trigger.  

    And, let me tell you a secret 🤫........ they won’t have to look far.  

    Poor Stephen....... he’s going fishing without a hook 🪝.

    Little chick 🐥’s got several hooks, in case you didn’t notice.  

    The main hook is personhood.  

    Without that hook, you are in the middle of nowhere...... with no news.  

    You are a cosmic accident...... looking for a cosmic trigger...... lots of luck.  

    Stephen fancies himself as a deep diver....... into the psyche..... and he may well be...... amongst his activist peers.  

    But he has barely scratched the surface....... with his smattering of Alan Watts.  

    He has experienced a personal gestalt switch, but unlike Chivo, he thinks he can just run it up the flagpole..... and folks will salute.  

    Trigger, trigger..... who’s got the trigger?  

    Stephen is going big game hunting...... with a pop gun.  

    No, you don’t need an elephant gun.

    What you need is a sniper’s scope...... we aim to please......

    You have to shoot the ‘elephant’ in the eye 👁.  

    You go for the bull’s eye 🎯....... or you don’t go at all..... you will only annoy the beast.  


    1510........

    Folks confuse pods with spacecraft..... and vice-versa.  

    They serve very similar functions, but the entanglement is very different.  

    The entanglement with the pod/portal is very subtle....... the Saturn V is anything but subtle....... well, actually, the subtlety of the Saturn V is rather well disguised 🥸....... we might say.

    We can all go to the Moon 🌙 in pods........ but we wouldn’t get the public shock and awe...... which is what NASA is all about...... the taxpayer is getting his bang for the buck.  

    foot once made the unequivocal statement that you couldn’t take a camera, or any technology through a portal.  

    I don’t think it’s quite that simple.  

    More to the point....... could we take our body through a portal?  

    The answer, of course, is yes and no.  

    This is the other major aspect of the boundary problem.  

    Portals, with all their entanglement, on both sides, are necessarily ad-hoc....... to the extreme...... witness the Saturn V.  

    Neil Armstrong got to take his body to the Moon 🌙.  

    A remote viewer to the Moon would not.  


    1710.........

    hobbit,

    Please do a little homework before you post techno-scams to Open Minds....... The SAFIRE Project Is Not Real Science (Electric Sun Model Debunked)...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVdPgkudC8

    You’d better stick with your dowsing rods.......
    ............


    Our bodies are special kinds of entanglement.  

    This is not to say that our bodies cannot be subject to ‘inter-dimensional’ conveyance, of one sort or another.  

    Not every inter-dimensional experience has to be out of body.  

    Nor would I suggest that there may not be various degrees of embodiment or disembodiment.

    There is a great deal of inter-subjectivity........ concerning our bodies.  

    The same would go for ‘physical’ artifacts.  

    Witness reports cover a very wide range of possibilities.  


    2040.......

    We can be fairly sure that even the most brazen/objective of portals do not operate like subway entrances........ they don’t just hang out in the breezes.  

    They come with their own forms of cloaking and warning...... you are not liable to wander in, without some premonition..... some portent..... not for the accidental tourist...... a twilight zone as a buffer...... not to mention the ‘airlock’ configuration.  

    It would be a great place to meet up with your prototypical MIB..... the not so friendly kind.  

    You are entering a realm that has many aspects of the subconscious..... albeit, collective.  

    Much of what you may experience will not be verbalizable....... there will be synesthesia of various forms.  

    But do keep in mind that we are mainly talking about the Eschaton..... the Portal to end all portals.  

    For many of us, it will function as our emergency exit...... our exodus..... the land of milk and honey may not be beckoning.  

    It would be more like a limbo...... we may wander in the desert.  

    At some point, our bodies will become rather less than substantial.  

    There will not be a way back.  

    That’s when you’ll want to be following the light.  

    Just don’t be the moth drawn to the light.  It may function more like an Underground Railroad...... you will need to be able to read the night sky 🌌.  


    2140........

    So there we are........ on the other side, we won’t lose our bodies, they will just gradually become disentangled.  

    Our minds..........?  They, too, will become disentangled....... from our egos...... as we fall beyond the event horizon of the Monad.  

    Will we be able to distinguish the Monad from the Abyss?  

    The distinction may not always be so obvious...... discernment will be the name of the game.  

    And, if you’re anything like Chivo, you may well opt for the latter.  

    In either case, God will rest your soul.  


    Of course, by the time we reach the Eschaton, we will each have experienced a nearly unlimited number of individual passages to the other side....... given almost any sort of continuity of consciousness.

    But, undoubtedly, inevitably, there will be significant distinctions.

    However, there may not be any sanctions against exploring the Eschaton, from other perspectives on the other side....... you just may not get the full blown deal.



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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBInhPFFVog

    The electric universe.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:33 pm

    Dan wrote:Unlike Chivo, Stephen believes he can translate his ‘quantum’ paradigm into the popular psyche.

    The guy hasn’t simplified it.

    He’s full of it still.

    He prob wouldn’t admit that.

    Not until you let your war go can you simplify and finish it!

    Those trying are not abiding.

    Those abiding, don’t have to try.

    Pretenders multiplyin tryin to cash in on this.

    I’m not tryin to get attention or make money from this shift.

    Who cares what anyone thinks about you or what you think about anything, god damn I don’t.

    I know it’s not about out there.

    There isn’t anything to even talk about when you see it.

    You can only laugh.

    Bahahahahahahaha

    It’s a dead ☠ end folks fighting life, the gig is up.

    Giggidy Giggidy

    All the losers on YouTube and the interwebs don’t know shit really.

    They are all fighting over words and being woke.

    They all want to be famous.

    Why the fuck would want that, I prefer infamy.

    It’s all bullshit really.

    The stuff out there is deceptive and unsatisfying.

    Cause the herd is wrong and confused and they may want this, but it will cost them more than they will pay.

    The world is corrupt and it’s pretty too.

    Let the tyrants do their best.

    Let the Titans of capital do their best.

    Let the right fight for the color of their skin and the left fight for multicolor.

    Anyone moron knows that our difference is only skin deep, right?

    Skin color and mad words.

    Are you kidding me?!

    School yard bullies are gonna get theirs.

    This is a surface world we live in, in fear of depth.

    Unable and unwilling to go into the deep water.

    See, ironically, this is a water world and the way is a water way.

    This here costs you all your belief and hope.

    It costs you your narrative.

    I’m not denying persons or meaning, it isn’t about effort though.

    Doing my best is no effort.

    You have to measure yourself against yourself.

    It’s about yielding and humbling yourself and knowing you just aren’t ever gonna know.

    We are just smart enough to be awarely tortured by our weakness.

    Good luck to this backwards world.

    The world of belief will never yield, it can’t without mass suicide.

    I will never prob speak to my female family who are utterly mentally lost.

    All over their need to go to some heaven that doesn’t exist.

    They think me faithless and worthless as a result.

    They are the worst part of life and this confused world.

    But I can’t fight others’ thoughts.

    They actually said all the good things in my life were from the devil.

    I said without a beat, you’re right!

    I am a wicked goat.

    They don’t know the half of my darkness, hello, my old friend.

    Ironically my lack of faith is stronger than their faith on their best day.

    That’s the secret they can’t see.

    Sure, living hurts sometimes, but it is still worth it for me, till the end.

    Not because of anyone else’s life, but because of the depth and beauty of my own.

    People notice when you live well, I give freely.

    But most are too cautious.

    I’m for the wild ones.

    There is a tragedy here.

    That people can and do deny love in the least of us, love right before them.

    It takes will to be a prik.

    We don’t know love, we live mostly in opposition to love.

    I don’t know much about love and I certainly wouldn’t write any books about it.

    So they can all have their silly beliefs, and crusades, just keep em away from me.

    The anti-guru is where the smart ones go, the rest are morons and posers.

    Backwards is the way out of hell.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:20 pm

    And let me say one last smelly thing about the right wing patriots who want to kill people they don’t agree with.

    We don’t live like that.

    Ok, go kill yourself and live dead if you want to be a patriot.

    Jesus showed them how, but they don’t know Jesus.

    They hate Jesus, they love themselves so much they would destroy the world for their own gain and paper and digital mammon.

    Idolators all!

    Hey, I could have been a good prophet.

    Where all go, cowards all.

    Btw, the first tweet 🐣 by Q, I knew it was bullshit, the mystery is why all of these muppets can’t see this.

    I know all of this is a show.

    A virtual simulacra.

    They have nothing without their anger.

    It is incredible what they could be doing to dig into life and all they want to do is tear it all down.

    I know why.

    Pain and anger.

    Not some divine love or salvation.

    Ha!

    Do these muppets act saved?!

    Gods special children?

    Nope.

    Hahaha!

    Base animal instinct.

    This is what we are made of.

    Not all of us have yielded to the mind parasites.

    To wetiko.

    I’ve been fighting wetiko for a decade.

    The way is not to fight it.
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:35 am

    1330z......

    Chivo,

    Easy, now........

    QAnon is part of Disclosure, and foot may be running it.  

    Get over it...... get used to it.  

    Q’s basic message is that everything is a conspiracy........ just like Robert Anton Wilson (RAW)........ in Cosmic Trigger......
    Reality is the sum of all conspiracies ever imagined.
    RAW should be right up there with Owen Barfield....... in our Pantheon of Cosmologists/Ontologists.  

    Disclosure is mainly for the Muppets and the Intelligentsia.  

    They are equally naive........ just in opposite directions.  

    Yes, there are strategically placed individuals, amongst the PtB, who are in cahoots with the Visitors..... especially with #1,2&3.  

    The portals serve as primary channels of communication...... back to the Source.  

    This is all about getting our eschatological ducks in a row..... 🦆🦆🦆.  

    Of course, I can’t prove any of this....... and foot 🦶 will deny everything..... as he is supposed to do.  

    foot is not the Discloser.  foot says that now donny is the Discloser...... but, until donny wishes to step up to the plate, little chick 🐥 will keep on peeping.  

    Little chick 🐥 is not going to roll over and play dead...... well, probably not today or tomorrow.......

    donny might well be running logistics on the inside...... along with the Princess 👸, or some close facsimile thereto.  That’s never been my bailiwick.  I just make these chicken 🐔 scratches.  


    1430........

    So much for Disclosure.........

    Now, back to the nitty gritty.......

    How about them atoms.......?

    And maybe I’m gonna make a slight shift in strategy, and take up with Fores and Stephen Marshall....... on the Quantum...... it almost rhymes with QAnon.  

    Here’s the deal....... if you let me ditch the atoms ⚛, I’ll go to bat for the Quantum.  

    How can we have the Quantum without atoms ⚛?

    That’s a good question........ we’d better put on our thinking caps 🧢.  

    Which came first....... the Quantum or the atom ⚛ ?

    That’s easy....... the Quantum came first.  

    The Quantum is the primordial portal/loophole in the Logos....... maybe 🤔 it’s even the Logos Spermatikos.  

    That’s a thought...... why the heck not?  


    1530..........

    We could just say that the Quantum was the gleam in the eye 👁 of the I Am......... the whole World/Universe was constructed around the Quantum.  

    It’s kinda like our oil tank....... the whole house was constructed around it, seventy years ago........ so, now, we get to remove it...... in pieces.  

    Now, we get to remove God, in pieces........ all 10^10 of us..... chips off the old block.  

    There is the Alpha portal..... and then there is the Omega...... 10^10 portals.  

    Pretty clever, if you ask me.  


    1640........

    Sorry, Chivo 🐐,

    That’s the one thing we can’t do........ Auto da Fé..... Bonfire of the Vanities....... Potlatch.......

    Every single leaf and twig you see around you is an emblem of Eternity...... a microcosm.  

    Sure, we all get recycled, but there is no amnesia.  There is no river Lethe.  

    Well, lethe is concealment....... aletheia is revelation.  

    In the End, all is revealed....... every single ‘mistake’ is shown to have had its purpose....... its place under the Sun.   QAnon is no exception.  


    2110.........

    I’m wondering about the ‘hole’ in the Logos......... is it possibly an aspect of the Abyss or of the I Am........ or both?  

    Something to chew on........

    At some point, of course, I’ll need to review the new work on quantum biology and quantum mind........ that would come further down the road, if any conceptual doors open.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

    Q was a flash fire and the wet dream of a cyberpunk cynic.

    RAW had style and wit and effervescent joy.

    Q is an asshole.

    Stupid and with no style.

    His joy is in confusing others.

    RAW was a true seeker.

    RAW tortured power.

    Q is hurting people.

    We should seek out and torture and expose power anywhere we can.

    Q is a pissed off kid.

    Anyone who thinks they can wake others up is an asshole.

    The 60s had RAW and all those other beautiful joyful merry makers.

    Q lives is in the dark side of joy.

    Q and that movement is an abortion compared to the 60s, exactly what power wanted.

    Those seeming to betray the system are closest and most aligned with it.

    That’s the real conspiracy.

    I am not unique, many have come to the end of reality.

    This was all much ado about nothing.

    Reality is manufactured.

    The real is always.

    Free speech to them is the the right to want to kill their neighbors and tell you how much they hate you.

    Jesus said love your neighbors.

    They must not have heard that part.

    No one controls this beast.

    I don’t believe sewing lies leads anywhere but to destruction.

    The world is suffocating in lies.

    You know what I think about disclosure.

    I think it’s bullshit.

    This here sells itself, no disclosure required.

    No configuration of matter is adequate to express the real.

    The real is real and the lies stink.

    The only thing one can disclose is their absolute limit and stupidity.

    I’ve done a fair job of that.

    But now I have nothing to say or offer to the hungry.

    Nothing to say, but suck it up buttercups.

    But Dan always has more to say.

    He must keep up appearances.

    Part of saving the appearances is burning them I guess.

    Q is good with matches.

    But it’s just so stupid and so much nonsense, as are prophecies and saviors and disclosure.

    Ug.

    What to do?!

    Thrive in the shit.

    Grow like a mushroom.

    Mushrooms fruit to counter contamination sometimes.

    Honestly, this is the best time I’ve had on this little planet earth.

    I’m at the height of my powers.

    The crazier it gets out there, the calmer it is here.

    Hitchens was a true cynic, Q is a joke.

    A prik priks.



    At 40 a man has the face he deserves they say.

    I do think who we are in private when the show can’t help us, is the one we fear and hate most.

    That self hatred, like in Q, can be inflicted upon the world.

    I don’t have enough hatred like ole hitch to be any good at revolution.

    But I call bullshit, like hitch, on the phony facades, we are messy, life is messy.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:53 pm

    Q is of no consequence.

    He was revealed to be a hateful little prik who was used and used others.

    A pathetic liar.

    He can’t handle the truth of no truth.

    No rebellion wins.

    Nothing to see here.

    No wisdom...at all.

    A symptom.

    A fire.

    But this is gonna be what it is gonna be.

    Doesn’t matter what we think or say.

    Faith in god or a gift or leader or a movement is a terrible mistake for some, but for others, I’m sure it is much better than a no hope loser shooting up churches or Las Vegas.

    The can have all the candy they can eat.

    Keep em fat happy and on the ranch.

    Leave the fun stuff to the really evil muppets.

    --

    “I serve as a channel for a flow of energy. I serve so that energy can be transmitted to other forms of beings, to other places, to other levels unknown to me.”

    — G.I. Gurdjieff, Views from the Real World

    GI felt he not only had his own life, but he felt the tyranny of helping promote the common best.

    Mistake.

    You can try to save the world.

    Humans are lions, not sheep.

    We squander our power on nothing.

    But enough of muppet politics.

    I feel every deep conviction is false.

    They all have to be uprooted.

    Reason itself.

    One calls to one.

    Conscious forces?

    Do they exist?

    Do they come to our aid as in a William Blake drawing?

    Are these not our reason and feelings?

    Before you face the Abyss, you prepare yourself.

    You are attended to and guided through the steps.

    It's true.

    Do Angels and Daimons attend to us, guide us?

    Our words for some of these unknown powers.

    Are these cosmic AIs?

    Figments of human indigestion?

    Are these the visitors?

    There is a pattern within the chaos.

    I don't think humans are fully conscious.

    Not by a long shot.

    This is why we seem to not have free will is my guess.

    We have only had flashes of the real.

    Difficult to put together, you have to feel your way through as much as think.

    You come to see the quality in life and in yourself and others.

    You commit to deepening that quality.

    This creates value for life.

    “Quality is a word much used and much devalued today—one could even say it has lost its quality—yet all of our lives we live according to an intuitive sense of its meaning, and it guides most of our attitudes and decisions. It has become fashionable to mistrust “value judgments, yet we appreciate people, we respond to their presence, we sense their feelings, we admire their skills, we condemn their actions, whether in cooking, politics, art, or love, in terms of unwritten hierarchies of quality."

    What is the quality of the real?

    We value skill and quality of a sort I each other.

    You really can't take anything on faith I have found.

    The best philosopher in my view is the greatest cynic, in the ancient sense.

    The value of magic for the person is that it develops attention and intention.

    These skills allow one to become open to their unconscious and able to see into it as a scrying mirror.

    If we see Religion as practice, then we can put it in its proper place.

    It is not the source of a defining principle, it is something we do, like art.

    To deny it is inhuman and leads to imbalance.

    Call it our value or moral sense.

    What you do is your religion, to be able to see into why you do what you do, is the aim of true religion in my opinion.

    In this reframing, all can be part of the ritual of living.

    Here is the heart of my thought right now.

    We live through ritual.

    Ritual has to be sacred.

    This is how we have lost our way.

    Lost the sense of the sacred.

    But what is sacred?

    Indeed.

    Astoundingly, all of it or none of it.

    We don't even know what the word sacred means anymore.

    We have maybe not lost our way, but set sail into the unknown.

    Or the apparently unknown, because everything intimately knows scything.

    Our senses you could say are the governor for the game.

    We know it all, but you and I can't.

    Us egos.

    We are the invaders.

    We live in only a part of the mind to project this pattern.

    Our senses show only one small sliver of being.

    To give us just enough to save or destroy ourselves.

    GO!

    Everything on the head of a pin.



    You know Hemingway wrote as a sacred act.

    He ritualized being.

    Enshrined it in his expression.

    This dance of the sacred is a misty place.

    All our stories come from there.

    He really worked at it.

    His mother taught him that to practice and work were acts of love.

    She wrote him the funniest letter.

    Hemingway is complicated but he was trying to distill something in his writing.

    That misty world whispers in my ear.

    Hemingway dug into our darkness.

    He wrestled with it and dragged it out.

    That made him great.

    That was courageous, but he was a sensitive soul and very feminine.

    A privileged brat who was overshadowed by his own myth.

    Hemingway was always the main player in his stories.

    A grifter and braggard.

    In him is a quality.

    A lightness and heaviness tearing a soul apart.

    I don’t have his talent but I was very much like him as a young man and saw him as the next step beyond Mark Twain and Jack London.

    He showed the pure horror in life and faced death and stared it down.

    To do that in the open, before the muppets, is great art.


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    Post by U Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:44 pm

    Why should evil have all the fun?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:47 pm

    I have the most fun when I'm evil.

    Muhahahaha

    Until one shows me their ass, they are posers, sorry.

    Evil is used to expose and pop our illusions.

    Joy exists and is found in quality.

    Fun is of the red dust world.

    Evil itself.

    You go to hell of course, TO HAVE FUN and get laid.

    When you are down with it all, you can only have joy.

    Once you have a taste and sense of the real, nothing tastes or looks right anymore here.

    This appears more and more a work of art, a work of love.

    I'm happy to bring a little eden, my home, to hell.

    It needs a little freshening up now and then.

    I respect muppets who do the work and walk the walk.

    Who smell...like dirt and shit.

    I respect the one who tills their soil when the need to and is on top of the weeds.

    I have had a lot of fun here on earth, but joy is better.

    Bliss, eh.

    Joy, is bliss on steroids.

    Joy is everlasting and you know it.

    Joy is golden.

    You can't take what you are.

    So, the evil can have their fun, but they can't live in a golden world.

    That is why they want to steal, they want the gold, but we are the gold.

    Funniest thing muppets.

    Enjoy the show then, because you can't change the channel.

    Thank you for your participation.

    The insurrection I think was about this thirst and hunger for the sacred.

    With its loss, all crumbles.

    It an an organizing principle.

    “All you need to do is write truly and not care about what the fate of it is.“ —EH

    I think that’s true about life too.

    Just live the hell out of it.
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    Post by GSB Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:42 am

    UAPs and UFOs ... if you remove the NUTS, you are left with the BOLTS ...



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    Post by dan Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:03 am

    1500z........

    I’ve spoken of the quantum as an aperture....... in the mechanical world....... an aperture to the other side...... a loophole in classical logic.......


    1840...........

    I’ve been reviewing the SEP article on the philosophy of the Quantum.  

    Conventionally we suppose the Quantum to be associated with the atom.  

    It might be more productive to think of the atom as deriving from the Quantum.  

    Much of the symmetry and symmetry breaking that we observe in the world is associated with the Quantum.  

    I would like to suppose that the Quantum is some combination of the I Am and the Abyss.  

    My whole notion of the I Am derives from the Quantum observer problem.  

    When we ask why there is something rather than nothing, we are implicitly invoking the quantum observer problem...... like asking if there is such a thing as an unobservable universe.  

    The alleged fact that our universe may only be observable by the happenstance of random evolution....... put this thought up against the Anthropic Principle, and you have a non-starter.  

    I would put the Quantum over the Big Bang any day.  

    By taking the reverse, we are just trying to mechanize/objectify the Quantum/I Am.  

    It doesn’t compute.  

    We’re trying to approach ontogenesis/cosmogenesis backwards.  

    The whole point of the BPWH is to take the scientific worldview and turn it inside out and upside down.  

    The Alpha and Omega are Pratītyasamutpāda...... co-dependently arising.  

    The Eschaton is the gleam in the eye 👁 of the I Am........ it is the Logos Spermatikos....... writ large.  


    1940..........

    One rendering of the Logos Spermatikos are the Ten Thunders of James Joyce....... Joyce’s rendition of the cosmic Ommm..........

    We could think of the Abyss as the cosmic Potentia, or the cosmic womb, if you will...... the cornucopia..... etc.    This could also be the combination of the I Am and the Abyss referred to above.  

    It might not be so easy to distinguish the Abyss from the Pleroma.  

    But the other aspect of the Abyss is the dark night of the (cosmic) Soul.

    The Quantum, through symmetry and symmetry breaking is the source of all structure....... all forms....... quantities and qualities...... we might suppose.  

    The rainbow 🌈 is the symmetry breaking of light.  

    Generally speaking, dispersion phenomena can be classically understood, as a classical wave phenomenon.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:11 am

    There is an eerie story about a magician who the wealthy sought out in England.

    He had a secret portal that allowed time travel and could take them to anytime they like.

    They started an enclave in the past.

    Funny myth.

    I would go back to Ancient Greece or Marcus Aurelius’ time.

    Maybe it’s not a myth.

    Maybe we are living myth.

    The stuff dreams are made of.

    Nuts and bolts ain’t gonna do it.

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    Post by dan Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:47 am

    1050z.........

    To Keith........
    Are we any closer to our philosophy seminar?  

    You are able to see the scientific juggernaut.  

    What I don’t think you quite appreciate is how it will be possible to turn that juggernaut..... on a dime.  

    Ron is putting himself back into the picture.  

    Dime...... dime...... who’s got the dime?  

    That is the only thing that is above top secret 🤐.  

    This is what managing the magic is all about.  

    Fores and Stephen Marshall are reminding us that the Quantum can serve as the dime....... if it is properly managed.  

    ....... if the Quantum can be properly ‘objectified’......

    That is where the I Am meets the Abyss...... the Potentia.  

    The brain and biological cell were constructed around that non-object...... in deep time.

    The Quantum has been waiting patiently to be plucked.  

    It just needed the right plucker.  

    You just have to know where the scientific skeletons are buried...... starting with the Anthropic Principle.  

    I know the Anthropic Principle like the back of my hand.  

    Then you have to be very familiar with the anti-objectivity of the Quantum.  

    That’s all.  

    Give me a fulcrum, and I’ll move the world 🌎.  

    Now we have our fulcrum.

    Maybe the center will hold..... after all.  

    I mean, Chivo 🐐 will just have to go pluck himself.  

    🐣


    1200.........

    One might say that familiarity breeds contempt.  

    I was just a little too familiar with the Quantum.  

    Sorry about that........ 🐣

    Along with the Big Bang, the Quantum can be our ‘physical’ and conceptual portal.  

    Clearly, the Big Bang is just a minor functionary, relative to the Quantum...... but maybe I’ll have to rethink the Time illusion before I go and get too dismissive.  


    1350.......

    We just have to be a little bit careful about how we redefine the Quantum........ how can we make it objectively non-objective.  

    Yes, the Quantum is our cosmic aperture....... starting with the illusion of the Big Bang.  

    The Big Bang was necessary to save the celestial appearances...... starting with heliocentrism.  

    In other words, the Copernicus phenomenon would have been impossible without the Big Bang.  

    Copernicus was the necessary precursor to the chick 🐣.  

    Once we departed from Geocentrism, the Big Bang was inevitable.

    The Big Bang became the scrying stone for science...... just as the Quantum will be the scrying stone for the BPW.  

    The semi-coherence of science owes everything to the Big Bang...... which is portrayed by science as the mother of all portals...... the ‘white hole’ at the beginning of the universe.  

    The world/Earth is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow 🌈 of the allegedly inflationary expansion emanating from that White Hole/portal.  

    And every bit of it is in our minds.  

    The ‘Big Bang’ is the conceptual nexus where phenomenal/historical time meets logical/deep time.  

    The Big Bang is the false summit of our scientific Gnosis.  

    And don’t forget that the Big Bang gave birth to the Anthropic Principle...... in our conceptual cavalcade...... to the BPW.  


    1440........

    The Quantum is the glue that helps to hold our inter-subjective world together........ conceptually.  

    In an immaterial world, the conceptual is not to be sneezed 🤧 at.  

    Well, the Quantum might also function as our cosmic tuning fork 🍴.  

    It keeps us all honest.  

    The Quantum is most obvious on the atomic scale..... but is less obvious on the larger scales..... until we scale back up to the Big Bang, where it once again becomes obvious.  

    By mixing our concepts with the Quantum, we come up with a modeling clay....... just like in Genesis.  

    The Quantum can function as the Aqua Regia....... well, how about God’s saliva?  ashes to ashes..... dust to dust......
    Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life...
    Or God’s breath..... whatever.  

    So I guess I’d better study 📚 up on my quantum biology 🧬.......


    1630........

    Take a look at Jim Al-Khalili....... https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_al_khalili_how_quantum_biology_might_explain_life_s_biggest_questions#t-960546

    I’m also looking at his book...... Life on the Edge.    

    This might explain how hobbit does his dowsing.  

    I’m impressed how quantum biology/mind studies have have taken off in the last decade.  

    There used to be a lot skepticism associated with the problem of quantum decoherence, but a lot of that criticism has been muted.  

    The only macro quantum states were associated with superconductivity, and they required temperatures near absolute zero to operate.  

    However, biological systems maintain ‘dissipative’ structures far from thermal equilibrium, wherein the effective temperatures can be much lower than the ambient temperatures.  

    Yes, life maintains itself on a knife edge....... an unstable equilibrium.  

    Schrödinger first pointed this out in 1944, in the initial foray into quantum biology....... biological systems are just the opposite of equilibrium systems...... equilibrium is death.  

    We’re also talking about self-organization.  

    Synchronization phenomena abound.  

    How do we get the ‘solid’ Earth to emerge from the imaginations of 10^10 of us......... it is similar to the spontaneous resonance synchronization of 10^10 pendulums.

    All this synchronization is mediated through our plethora of quantum systems....... our quantum entanglement.  

    The ultimate damping phenomenon is our depletion of non-renewable resources.

    However, before the physical limits are reached, folks will enter into a regime of anticipation which will create instabilities in the political economy.  

    A credit meltdown is liable to be a precursor to physical scarcity.  

    Capitalism can function only in a growing economy.  

    When growth/innovation opportunities dwindle, there is a transition from a capitalist economy to a rental economy....... two very different animals.  

    The timing of Disclosure will have to be synced with the anticipated transition event.  This synchronization will, hopefully, be mainly spontaneous.  

    However, there are ample oracles and crystal ball 🔮 gazers on hand..... presumably.  

    Do keep in mind the discussion that we had around the alignment of the 32 Vectors...... anticipated for September ’16.

    We are skating on thin ice 🧊.



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    Post by jofo Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:12 pm

    sadly, you're making sense to me...

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