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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by dan Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:06 pm

    And what is so sad about the best possible Eschaton?

    This is supposed to be the grand finale of the whole shebang...... the pièce de résistance.


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    Post by U Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:31 pm

    dan wrote:We are skating on thin ice 🧊.  

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    Post by dan Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:44 pm

    Is someone playing chicken 🐔?

    It’s not me.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:19 pm

    I don’t understand most of what Dan says.

    I do not smell the real.

    Glad u do.

    Life is always on thin ice.

    You cannot deduce what is happening from our limited words and thinking.

    The quantum is only an abstraction, and how many more will science discover?

    The quantum is just the potential.

    Undeveloped man was an unfulfilled potential, a carriage without a driver or a house without a master.

    Coming into being, was coming in from the cold.

    They will always be finding new particles.

    Finding things that don’t make sense.

    Finding signs.

    If a muppet is smart, they won’t really follow science or religion or politics or gurus.

    You will follow the earth and animals and plants.

    As if any muppet story is true.

    They aren’t.

    Nature will show you and lead you, your own.

    Our nature is quite fantastic.

    And you will find your nature everywhere.

    But if you don’t live this, you won’t ever realize it.

    Our will and consciousness are incredible powers, allowing the becoming of potential.

    I do not speak of reality and appearances, but living in the real.

    To know thyself, you would become real, like the wooden Pinocchio transforming into a real boy. A fully developed man would shed the mechanical strings of stimulus response and become master of himself.

    There are few human beings I have met in life who are real.

    There is nothing greater in life than the joy of living real.

    From the real, our world is very simple.

    God gave you command.

    BE!

    And so you are.

    Congratulations.

    You made the rest up.

    The invocation to be, calls this forth.

    Out of context of being a being, you lose all sense of being.

    The quest to become real is the great equalizer, for in this noble pursuit no race, gender or age bears any advantage over another. “We are all equally beggars.”

    “Here there are neither Russians nor English, Jews nor Christians, but only those who pursue one aim—to be able to be.”

    It is the emotions that give being meaning.

    You can feel this, this vibration.

    Deep, every atom in you is shaking and vibrating.

    What do you know of being?

    What else matters?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:52 pm

    It is interesting and very sad to note that the ones in the insurrection were not the young, but simply the most stupid and older mostly white idiots in our country.

    They have outed themselves, but they are not real.

    It’s a distraction from being.

    Hope they all find it, I really do, but they won’t, let’s be real 🐐

    They will die lost and stupid.

    Meaningless.

    Are you lost and stupid and meaningless?

    QAnon was a portal.

    But it was not weird, it was a false door.

    The powerful will use the real doors in the wall to capture the stupid and unwise.

    There is an interesting story called The Door in the Wall.

    Quite instructive about the nature of weird portals.

    The weird, eerie and strange cause us to question the realness of the world.

    Madness is a portal, psychosis.

    We constantly redream and rewrite our own histories.

    The world behind the door 🚪 appeals to us in a strange way.

    Desire perpetuates itself by never fulfilling itself.

    The portal takes you beyond the pleasurable into the weird.

    The meaning of weird originally was fate.

    Fate hints at agency, which is weird.
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    Yup
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:38 am

    1340z........

    I wonder........

    If Chivo had been the I Am, would he have created a world, or would he have rolled over and gone back to sleep?


    1500.......

    A laser is a quantum device, par excellence.  

    It operates in a negative temperature/entropy regime by optical pumping, in order to achieve an ‘inverted’ population of quantum energy states.  

    Does the brain also operate in such a regime to facilitate the achievement of a holistic consciousness....... coherence vs. decoherence.  

    Quantum computers maintain their coherence by operating near absolute zero.  

    I suspect that biological systems have such work arounds, partly by exploiting the double-sided nature of portals.

    The SEP has an article on decoherence that may be worth perusing..... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-decoherence

    Rather than just being a drain on quantum systems, the article suggests that decoherence may also play a role in maintaining and enhancing self-organizing systems.  

    Self-organizing systems are constructively self-measuring, which necessarily entails selective decoherence.  


    1600........

    I’ve really been neglecting Bohm’s distinction between the explicate and implicate orders.  

    The emergence of the explicate from the implicate is what Genesis is driving at.  

    Too many folks see Bohmism as an invitation to dualism........ they are very wary 😒 of taking the plunge into immaterialism.  

    They might all end up as chicken littles 🐣.  

    For better or worse, the ‘historical’ I Am did not roll over and go back to sleep 😴....... so here we are.  

    I’m very sorry to have disturbed your sleep, Chivo.  

    Will you ever forgive me?  


    2150........

    I have been describing the Abyss as if it were a quintessential object.  

    It is anything but that.  In science, the closest thing to the Abyss is deep space.  

    I believe in neither deep space nor deep time...... other than how to save the celestial appearances, post Copernicus.  

    In the small world, deep space is quintessentially inter subjective..... a disease of modern science.  

    ‘Before’ the I Am, there was neither time nor space.  

    The was, at most, a cloud of virtual phantasms.  

    These phantasms did not become self organizing until there was a self.  

    Perhaps the I Am was just another phantasm, but it was a phantasm to end all (extraneous) phantasms.  

    Where was the Quantum in all of that?  

    The quantum we know today is the residue of all the primordial subjectivity coming out of our original participation...... our original entanglement with the I Am.  

    Only in altered states do we come into contact with the primordial regime...... on the other side...... the implicate order, if you will.  

    The ‘extraneous’ phantasms had to hide from the noonday Sun......  hide behind the green door...... into our collective unconscious.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:19 am

    I would have farted and then gone back to sleep.

    I think that’s actually how we all got into this mess.

    If a fart could make all this, imagine what a fully awake being might do, hehe.

    🐐💨

    So they released some new weird ufo crap.

    Flying pyramids now over navy ships, new pod pics.

    Oh my!

    When do the flying monkeys monkey show up?

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    Post by dan Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:58 am

    1300z......

    It’s been a while since I’ve focused on Bohm’s implicate order....... but I’ve been using it implicitly all along.  

    It is the closest that the small world comes to dualism....... this side (the explicate) and the other (the implicate).  

    More recently, I’ve been using Kant’s terminology...... the phenomenal and the noumenal.  

    Another analogy is that of the hologram....... the whole is present in all of its parts...... this is the DNA 🧬 metaphor.  

    In mathematics, we see the notion of the Fourier transform...... where the temporal dimension is converted to a frequency spectrum.  

    And so forth.......

    But, now that I’m focusing on the Quantum, the Bohmian metaphor becomes more central.  

    Here we have harmonic convergence, if you will...... we have synchronicity up the wazoo.  

    In altered states is where we experience the implicate order.

    It is the implicate that drives the explicate, of course.  

    We are just floating along on the surface...... merrily, merrily down the stream.......

    It is our collective consciousness...... riding atop Jung’s collective unconscious.  

    The Quantum is the aether of the other side....... no, the Quantum is the Fourier transformer....... it is the portal between the two sides.  

    The Quantum is where our 10^10 frames 🖼 of the world come into registration.  

    Space and time are just the logical fillers/spacers....... between our 10^10 reflections...... between our quantum dots..... in the hologram.  

    The concave Earth model of the small world may be described as one of Escher’s Circle Limits....... or as how the infinite ♾ is represented as the boundary of a disc in complex analysis....... using conformal invariance to map infinity onto a finite disc in the imaginary plane..... or think of projective geometry....... or compactification.

    We have the point at infinity as the boundary of a compact hyperbolic complex disc, if you wish...... not to wax too technical, or anything..... seeing an Escher circle drawing is all you need.  

    Cosmologically, the boundary between the explicate and the implicate may function in a similar fashion....... how the illusion of deep space is maintained....... how we keep the NASA engineers 👨💻 happy 😃.  

    The Big Bang functions as our abstract point at infinity........ maintaining all the celestial appearances....... including especially those cosmic chirps...... or think Katie Bouman.

    The self-organization of the best possible world is visible mainly in the implicate order.  

    The Eschaton will be our global portal to the implicate order......
    You better watch out
    You better not cry
    You better not pout
    I'm telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming to town


    1440.......

    Will the Eschaton be a Quantum event?  

    Yes, in a non-trivial, non-obvious manner.

    The Eschaton will be the diffraction grating 🌈 at the End of the Universe....... the Omega Point...... at infinity ♾..... e pluribus unum...... almost coming into real time...... just barely off the real axis....... trust the chick 🐣...... there will be a close encounter of the E kind.  

    I mean, hey...... how close do you want, sports fans?  

    The virus 🦠 & donny were a preview of coming attractions...... mostly in a good way....... you just want to keep on your toes.....

    ...... so are those pyramids floating over our navy ships..... talking about close encounters.  

    But, yes...... woe be unto them that are...... fill in the blanks.  


    1620.........

    And how could we forget about Ike........ according to Blake Smith.  

    See how well things are working out....... its just takes an uncommon amount of common sense...... and that includes a Princess 👸, of course.  

    Well, silly Blake......... he can’t see the time horizon...... the Event horizon.  

    Oh, dear....... he hasn’t figured out the difference between the ETH and the IDH/UTH....... no wonder his perspective is rather fuzzy.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:58 am

    Quantum smuantum.

    Poor eschatologists.

    They spend so much time thinking about the end, they forget the short time they have alive.

    Dan, do you garden?

    Hobbies?

    I know you travel.

    What are some of your favorite things?
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:05 am

    1300z.......

    On his Living Life thread, Chivo posted a video of Peterson and Dillahunty.  

    It starts out very well, but bogs down after about half an hour.  

    Peterson is not playing with a full deck....... maybe not even half of a deck...... no narrative..... no small world.  

    I’ve also read more of Blake Smith’s book on Ike.  

    Blake does a lot of sleuthing and speculation....... but he also doesn’t have a full deck.  

    Truman and Ike had to be convinced to keep their mouths shut.  

    That worked until jfk and rfk...... emk got the message.  

    How many of the Presidents ever got information Omega?

    Did anti/e 🐜 have information Omega..... or joe?  

    I would suggest that information Omega was necessary, but not always sufficient to obtain Presidential compliance....... to maintain the Katechon.  

    Does foot 🦶 or Princess 👸 have information Omega?  

    They adhere to information ele, and, presumably, ant 🐜 went along with it.  


    1400........

    In December, Trump signed the 2.3 trillion COVID relief and government funding bill that mandated Disclosure as part of its Intelligence Authorization Act.  

    The still anticipated skeptical Keith K Wired article that focuses on foot will contradict any Disclosure coming out of the IAA.  

    I haven’t asked Keith to comment on the anticipated conflict...... well, I have now.  

    I believe in Visitors and ufos 🛸, but I don’t necessarily believe that Presidents have had sit down meetings or negotiations.  

    How would a POTUS get information Omega without such a rendezvous, other than through a #1,2&3 type scenario?  

    An alternative to the Edwards AFB rendezvous, would be a St Catherine’s or portal type encounter.  

    Portal type incidents would suffice, if they could be orchestrated convincingly.  

    Such a sequence of encounters would make more sense than having to secure an airbase.  

    Or, in other words, I don’t believe that we need two types of residential visitors.  

    Portal encounters do not lend themselves to Airbnb scenarios.  

    I don’t believe in alien alien bodies, any more than I believe in alien hubcaps.  

    There are ‘physical’ angel encounters frequently, but the angels also do not use Airbnb.  


    1630.........

    The whole point of pushing the ETH was to distract from the IDH/UTH, which would inevitably lead to the small world and Eschaton.  

    This separation of the ETH and IDH is closely parallel to and facilitated by the Constitutionally mandated separation of the secular and sectarian.  


    1850...........

    Keith’s article will focus on foot.  

    The IAA report will avoid foot, at all costs.

    Folks will wonder about the politics...... behind this discrepancy



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:57 pm

    Yah, Peterson fell apart.

    He's smart enough, but he's emotionally unstable.

    His recent drug addiction thing kind of shot him down, which I think is a positive.

    Why did he have to go to Russia for detox?

    Maybe he's a misinformation agent for them Wink

    The Atheist made some good points, but I do think Jordan showed the atheist also has beliefs and a faith in some simple starting observations, but he remains open.

    A reasonable position.

    It seems to me Humanism is a religion, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism

    I think Jordan is unfortunately, partially, just an entertainer at this point.

    He speaks against rules then publishes a book of 12 rules to counter chaos.

    He isn't wrong per se, but he is not fully formed yet.

    Jordan is open to Christ in a way he hasn't been before.

    The guy is in the process of breaking wide open.

    He is grasping for concepts and finding no words.

    I think that's good.

    That emotion he is displaying below, I have felt this.

    Christians are like, Jordan is becoming a Christian.

    Christians don't even know their own religion is fake, sorry.

    They don't know what faith really is or they wouldn't be in churches.

    Jordan is demonstrating true humility in light of the unconscious and his weakness.

    Dark Night territory.

    They don't know what he is talking about.

    I think this confession of Jordan's is quite beautiful and something no atheist can really reckon with.

    He says Christ is too terrifying a reality to believe in.

    But, is Christ real?

    What is Christ?

    This, no christ, just this.

    I don't get the confusion, but, whatever, live in stories if you have to I guess.

    These Christians know nothing of Christ really, accept maybe the contemplatives.

    They are not terrified by faith, theirs is a cheap grace, luke warm and disgusting.

    Good riddens to the cult of evangelicals waiting for the end of the world.

    You missed it, big time, you bought the BIG LIE in the sky.

    People who truly encounter Christ do not become evangelicals or missionaries.

    You can't get up off the floor.

    They are slain in the spirit and wide open.

    The one man who challenged me most as a Christian was Dietrich Bonhoeffer, he destroyed me with this quote and his life. Read it and then listen to Jordan.

    He lived his faith unto death and eternity I know is his and I don't believe in one word he said really, I saw his life.

    I am not a Christian or Christ believer or God believer.

    But I can smell something happening in Jordan and Dietrich, it is mystical and unspeakable.

    Dietrich knows what I mean...

    Bonhoeffer wrote:Cheap grace means grace sold on the market like cheapjacks' wares. The sacraments, the forgiveness of sin, and the consolations of religion are thrown away at cut prices. Grace is represented as the Church's inexhaustible treasury, from which she showers blessings with generous hands, without asking questions or fixing limits. Grace without price; grace without cost! The essence of grace, we suppose, is that the account has been paid in advance; and, because it has been paid, everything can be had for nothing. Since the cost was infinite, the possibilities of using and spending it are infinite. What would grace be if it were not cheap?...

    Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.

    Costly grace is the treasure hidden in the field; for the sake of it a man will go and sell all that he has. It is the pearl of great price to buy which the merchant will sell all his goods. It is the kingly rule of Christ, for whose sake a man will pluck out the eye which causes him to stumble; it is the call of Jesus Christ at which the disciple leaves his nets and follows him.

    Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock.

    Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: "ye were bought at a price," and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us. Costly grace is the Incarnation of God.

    Now listen to Jordan's heart break.

    I kinda love him for being this open.

    Even though he is a loon, takes one to know one Wink

    I think he is genuine.

    That's all of it for me.

    Genuine doubt is sacred and divine in my book.

    The fools spouting their gospel can go to hell Wink

    Faith is wrestling 1:1 with the Abyss.



    I think I have 1 UPed Jordan.

    I answered the question, what does it look like to go all in on life?

    THIS

    I don't believe in sin, thus no need for grace, easy equation to solve.

    Accept, that means, you have to take full responsibility, uh oh.

    For all of it, easier to hide in a church pew or say you don't believe in God.

    But we don't have free will, well, maybe the will is born of the intention and the intention has got to be ours and born in the heart.

    I don't agree with Bonhoeffer or Jordan in word, but I tell you, I would stand with those two.

    They have heart and heart I think is all of it.

    Ole Bonhoeffer chose to die than bend his knee to the fuckin Nazis, in my book, that rates right up there in hero territory.

    Jesus/Christ are words, there is something deeper, inexpressible, that these words have pointed to, but you can go beyond the words and look into the darkness they came from if you want to.

    It had many names before Christ and no name really.

    I think every Christian/Religious person should turn their back on their churches and faith and corporate life and face each other in nature, under the sun.

    Drop the names and beliefs and judgments and mask of self.

    Maybe we might have something then.

    But we will have nothing until then really but glimpses and flashes.

    Chick wrote:How would a POTUS get information Omega without such a rendezvous, other than through a #1,2&3 type scenario?

    Back to the pres, how could you trust a 1, 2, 3 representative?

    I could shoot these silly disclosure plans full of holes.

    How would they get info, direct final participation.

    Don't ever take a muppets word for anything, or a smelly goat.

    You have to do the work.

    If a muppet does magick to convince you, don't listen.

    We are too easy to fool.

    Be very skeptical of sense data or mystics bearing gifts.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:24 am

    1130z.......

    Chivo is correct....... the Katechon is holding....... the center is holding.  

    A center to be intelligible has to be an axis........ there are several axes in play.  

    For instance, there is the donny/danny axis....... and this is only according to my interpolation of the semi-monthly call from foot 🦶.  

    Historically, there was the Athens/Jerusalem axis.  

    With the d/d axis, we have the system and truth.  

    The system pole can shift....... that puts centripetal pressure on the other pole.  

    The system pole is shifting from capital to rent....... which pretty well describes donny’s hold over the Republican Party.  

    Speaking of which, donny’s been in charge of Disclosure since prior to his election...... ie, the Katechon remains intact...... while donny is rebuilding his base...... underground?....... no, political.  

    In other words, can we pivot around the Truth without undue disturbance to the system...... the Eschaton becoming a pole shift?  

    A critical piece of this puzzle 🧩 invokes the Georgia/California axis..... as partly alluded to in the Blake/Ike book.  

    To understand the g/c axis, we must delve into the population question.......

    Part of that question revolves around the Georgia guide stones....... and 12x12 vs 10^10.  

    A participatory regime is guided by 12, while a regime of the ego is guided by 10...... the apocryphal story being the fleeing Israelites given the 10 finger salute to their duodecimal captors.  

    We confuse donny with the regime of the ego, whilst he allegiance is to the System.  

    System........ ie, best possible....... Ouroboric system...... and so we circle back to the guide stones....... the St Catherine’s/Muroc axis.  

    Ike set up the g/c axis, by way of Charlie/Setimus residing in upstate NY.  

    Understand that amongst the many axes is the Charlie/Princess axis...... of which doug is now the place holder.  


    1300.........

    Another axis is wings 🪶 in the air, and boots 🥾 on the ground.  

    The Princess is also Charlene, of course...... her’s is the axis with Charlie/Setimus/doug....... where wings and boots came closest to intersecting.  

    Remember Charlie...... coming by way of Victor Charlie.  

    So, ok ✅, donny is just being loyal to the system....... the larger System, and we did need a political pivot...... capital/rent..... that’s a portal for you..... a pivot can be a walking portal.  

    I mean, you know, who’s gonna fight City 🌃 Hall?  

    With all this axis talk, we’re just talking the cosmic dialectic...... spokes on the ouroboric wheel.  


    Speaking of the Guide Stones, the population question is not to be sneezed 🤧 at.......

    And again, we have wings 🪶 in the air and boots 🥾 on the ground options......

    There is the possible ele 🦠 event vs the wedding 👰 feast in the Sky 🌌 event.  

     The wedding 👰 feast is where the various axes collapse into the Monad....... the reverse of the cosmic MPD...... Omega =>> Alpha.  

    Surely we’re gonna have some of both, but, of course, chick 🐣 leans to the latter...... the thumb is on the scale.


    1400.......

    I almost forgot....... Joe Firmage is touting David Hestenes...... the architect of the geometric/algebraic approach to connecting math and physics....... a Pythagorean of the first water 💦.  

    Zitterbewegung is the bon mot....... having to do with relativistic corrections to the hydrogen ground state.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:32 pm

    Ok Wink

    “spokes on the ouroboric wheel.”

    Round and round we turn...

    “At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;

    Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
    But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
    Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,

    Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,

    There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.”

    —T.S. Eliot

    Dan thinks we don’t hear him.

    “For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who now restrains [ τὸ κατέχον ] it is removed.”

    —2 Thessalonians 2:7

    Who holds back chaos?

    We each do.

    Jordan wrote his 12 rules book to help people prop up the katechon.

    Joe should check out Eric Weinstein’s new theory Geometric Unity.

    Math isn’t my thing.

    I don’t live in or really spend time in that world.

    No one can realize but you.

    Not out there.

    The Christian is most in error in their literal belief.

    You have been tricked and fooled.

    The Katechon has seized your mind.

    Wetiko.

    Every eschatologist is wrong.

    I do not feel the katechon is describing the political world at all.

    That is a childish understanding.

    You have to look with your other eyes.

    Not with your senses.

    The katechon, what restrains his coming, was someone or something that was known to the Thessalonians and active in their time: "You know what is restraining.”

    We are each part of the katechon.

    We resist.

    We hold back.

    We obscure and obfuscate.

    There is no prince coming.

    A children’s story.

    The coming and marriage is within each of us.

    Hello, Carl Jung.

    But who cares?

    Let them play their Bible stories out in their silly politics.

    All of that is the trigger.

    Pull it.

    Put it right to your temple.

    💥 POW 💥

    Then tell me what you think your life is, after you wash your brains 🧠 off the wall.

    We have it all wrong.

    Many people have been very very wrong about life.

    So what.

    Just take care of your part of this, wtf can or should you care about anything else?!

    I don’t see anything in the world but my life and filter of it.

    Same for all of you.

    Sigh, pretenders.

    Cheap grace.

    What of the costly grace, the one you have to pull the trigger to realize?

    Alright grandpa, let’s dance here in the still point.

    The other muppets can’t really see or hear us.

    It is of no use to try to use me or anyone else as evidence of anything.

    “At the same moment, a whole new technological era was opened with the emergence of intelligent machines and computers in the postwar cybernetic age. Technology, and cybernetics in particular, loomed large in Carl Schmitt’s articulation of the concept of the political, while the problem of radical open decision was at the heart of influential cybernetic approaches to politics. Linking them was the idea of entropic decay. Schmitt’s invocation of theological concept of the Katechon, who restrains chaos in the time before Christ’s return, in fact exemplifies the new understandings of order in a cybernetic age facing new challenges of technology in a globalized condition.”

    A digital copy.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/780536/d9298ae3fa958fa33ff47ca7de969b90.pdf

    The Katechon – the worldly figure who keeps the anti-Christ at bay until the return of Christ.

    Of course this is not a person.


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    Post by dan Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:21 pm

    Chivo,

    Of course........ how could you ever even imagine that the Katechon could possibly be a person?!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:24 pm

    That is the religious misunderstanding, not mine.

    The Katechon is no longer theological.

    It is morphing before our eyes as we integrate more with technology.

    Marcus Aurelius was once the Katechon.

    “Therefore, the Katechon, who ‘restrains’ the disorder of lawlessness in historical time is acting only for the local and temporary historical orders in anticipation of the end of history. There is, in other words, absolutely no relation to the divine. Second, whatever our understanding of the theological context of the Katechon, the figure itself does not function as a theological entity. As Tertullian famously concluded, the Katechon of his era was in fact the Roman Emperor. The one who restrains in historical time is simply the political or military or legal force capable of producing order. Finally, if one addresses the Katechon from the perspective of political theology (that is, the political as a secularized theological concept) it is even more radically secular, since its theological function does not at all inhere in its own activity or structure. Therefore its analogue in the political sphere is in fact just itself – the producer of order as a pure function.”

    “If this is the case, then the Katechon might best be understood as the protection of the political, which is itself the shelter against radical disorder, radical lawlessness, the collapse that is ‘dis-organization’. Now, I frame the Katechon this way because Schmitt is (in Nomos of the Earth) concerned with his contemporary situation, a concrete global situation that seemed to defy any ordering principle because the advent of new technologies (military and other) had made equilibrium and dynamic adaptation literally impossible. What would be the new ‘system’ that would encompass the globe but not totalize it? The old Eurocentric order was dead.”

    Interesting.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:02 pm

    At this precise time humans are under extinction threat.

    What maintains life is a field in balance ( near balance) this is been removed by injections, then the grim reaper is free to break down the vehicles We occupy.

    The immune system is enabled by this field akin to a car battery enabling the car to operate.
    humans are been discharged and are thus open prey to the grim reaper.

    This is not a theory, I can detect the field, and those rejoicing in taking the injections are displaying no fields.

    They very sadly have very limited time left.

    The katechon is the field, the barrier that keeps the grim reaper at bay.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:21 pm

    Die today or tomorrow, shrug.

    The threat of nuclear destruction is fundamentally destabilizing to the Katechon if I follow.

    Maybe the end of history is best done with a big Bada BOOM 🤯

    Over in a flash if you are lucky Wink

    Vaccines aren’t the threat.

    They are part of rebalancing the system.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:03 pm

    "vaccines aren't the threat"

    Correct.

    These are not vaccines, they are injections of synthetic drugs.

    I am able to detect what I can, and this includes My family who dismiss Me as bonkers.

    It is indeed a heavy cross to bear.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:39 pm

    Well, you are bonkers Wink

    I feel ya.

    Ironically my family thinks I’m bonkers because I don’t believe in their fairy stories.

    Tough to be outside of the herd, eh Wink
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:46 am

    1250z........

    You understand that if I have any claim on the little chicken 🐣 spot, it would have to be with a significant amount of cheating, as in once having hung out with the royals 👸.  

    Another cheat is with the counterpart, donny/anti/e 🐜.   What’s going on with that?  

    It is worth repeating that capitalism, scientism and technocratic democracy are strongly correlated with material progress.  They dominate the regime of ego consciousness.  

    The regimes of original and final participation are something else.

    Instead of the technocrats of the ego regime, we have the Rasputins of the pre and post modern participative regimes.  

    The Rasputin/Quigleys are usually associated with the paranormal.  

    You’ll notice that OM is no stranger to hobbits and Chivos.  

    Egoism and materialism decline as science runs out of new tricks..... as material progress wanes.

    The transition is from a capital basis to a rental basis of the economy....... which can quickly harken back to feudalism and nationalism.  

    State protected corporatism is a postmodern form of feudalism.  

    We see this transition playing out in the various contests between China 🇨🇳 and the USA 🇺🇸.  

    A side panel in all of this is foot 🦶’s mentioned of David Hestenes.

    This is along the lines of paranormal cheating.  

    David’s main work is to be found in his 1984 book on Clifford Algebras.

    What might Clifford algebra have to do with the paranormal?

    Quite likely, nothing........ but I can’t afford to neglect the occasional softball 🥎 from foot 🦶......  foot being my Rasputin, as shared with 🐜...... as we skirt the separation clause 🤶...... in this transition from capital to Ricardo rents.  

    Is the chick 🐣 big on landlords?  No, but..... I’m big on portal lords, like the Princess 👸 is alleged to be....... partly by my own witness..... and as being queen of the Hive.  


    1410........

    The application of Clifford algebras extends from from quantum geometry to computerized animation.

    A lot of this has to do with projective geometry and the compactification of spaces....... these could be useful for the modeling of the anthropocentric aspect of the BPW.

    We have to wonder how much of this is understood by Joe Firmage.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:13 am

    I am sure Your shit faced friend Gates and His clan think they are going to be the new lords of earth, with just enough obedient slaves to cut the grass on their golf courses...but....

    When a ship goes down in a storm, all aboard drown.


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    Post by dan Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:25 am

    1430z........

    hobbit,

    You think we don’t realize that?

    The Earth is a slave ship, delivering its cargo to the wedding feast in the sky 🌌.

    It’s also called the Rapture....... didn’t you know?  

    We (our egos) are being fattened for the feast...... lucky 🍀 us!  


    1550.........

    The Hive is part of the Katechon.

    It surrounds the Earth and shields 🛡 us from the very hungry 🤤 Monad.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:54 am

    Yah, Dan cheats.

    While hobbits and goats wander around at the gate eating flowers not quite fitting anywhere in this weird slave system.

    The way Sisyphus wins is to love this.

    Love your slavery.

    Love the system.

    Why did I do this?

    It was funz.

    Even the CIA has a sense of humor, see Twitter.

    The CIA and all hidden agencies are evil of course.

    Pure evil.

    There is no justification for what they do.

    It is simply the exercise of power.

    Power and authority are evil.

    Evil isn’t chaos.

    Evil mixed with consciousness is some smelly stuff.

    It’s another way to go.

    Not my shtick, I’m naturally evil, yes.

    I don’t pity the evil or lost, that would be arrogant.

    I am arrogant and demanding at times, which is a misunderstanding of demand for quality.

    They are simply playing out their programs.

    I know what I need to do, they know what they need to do.

    To become a Rasputin, you walk alone in dark places.

    You play with monsters with big teeth and angels who don’t shut up.

    One does need a certain purity of heart.

    I can’t help you there, you have that or you don’t.

    This is a protean world and we are protean beings.

    We are each a collective of innumerable parts.

    There is no such thing as an individual.

    This is a cooperation.

    That is the alternative to power and acting evil.

    I prefer to cooperate.

    Jordan Peterson, my soul brother, came up with 12 rules to keep chaos in check.

    I think maybe writing books isn’t the play.

    I have one rule.

    Straight on.
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:50 am

    Concealment and secrecy are an essential part of the Katechon.  

    The Katechon is necessary to shield 🛡 us from the very hungry 😋 Monad.  

    This is not rocket 🚀 science 🧪, Chivo.

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