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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

First topic message reminder :

We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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Post by smelly da goat Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:43 pm

No utopia, no saviors, no truth, no heroes, no villains, no hope, just this Wink

No problems!

You guys can lie to yourselves all you like.

But that’s the deal and you know it.

The unconscious drives you and most have not a clue how and why.

We aren’t really individuals who are good or evil.

We aren’t really responsible.

All moral authority based on transcendence is bullshit.

If you think you are above this, you aren’t.

If you think Jesus is gonna save you, he isn’t.

You actually have no idea what the deep unconscious is doing, none of us knows really.

We have dark matter all over the universe, no idea what it is really.

How much don’t we know Wink

And yet, we can relax and take what comez, while an invisible world swirls around us apparently.

Have fun!

There is plenty of fear to go round.

No one’s ace in the hole 🕳 is real, so when you die, all your imaginations are gone too.

To not live thusly is stupid and unwise.

We are all affected by the secret sadness.

To deny it is to only exasperate your wetiko disease, and let it wrap you up tighter.

Relaxing is still the best move we have.

Seeing your free will is an illusion and all morals are wrong, is joy.

Good luck getting there.

Now is the only freedom I’ve ever known.

We are all experiencing states of consciousness, portals, all the time, I feel.

Don’t believe in any of it.

I don’t know, Imma pretty good guesser Wink

Now that I have spewed out all the muppet bullshitz, I can live this life.

I have the devil on speed dial and he does like to chat.

You might want to call up the underworld, better yet, go yourself.

We don’t need to talk 1:1 about this.

This right here, sells itself.

No one really cares or needs anyone to get the shit out of their ears.

It might be best to be clueless and full of shit in this sideshow.

If I could have anything, it wouldn’t be a penthouse or a New Zealand ELE shelter.

It wouldn’t be capital or consumer goods or fuckin NFTs.

It would be to have the best mind and body to live in this show.

Nothing else is my concern than how best live here now.

I will forever be the voice in the wilderness.

You can cast me out as you like.

But everyone is lying to you, even the consciousness you think is you betrays you by its existence.

The only way to beat the devil/god is not to tell it you are coming.

Who lives this way?

I do!

The smelly goat lives free of god as god in god.

Oh my.

I am a wicked 🐐 and you reading this is fairly clueless.

Keep dreamin about disclosure.

Keep dreamin.

More life for me.
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Post by smelly da goat Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:17 pm

If you haven’t figured it out yet, consciousness and pursuit and participation with it, is the disease.
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Post by hobbit Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:35 am

Smelly El Chivo wrote:If you haven’t figured it out yet, consciousness and pursuit and participation with it, is the disease.

Diseased hobbit
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:00 am

The thoughts you think are you betray.

The feelings move our bodies.

We love our disease 🦠

Beyond the illusion of you though, is maybe everything.

Lose yourself, gain it all, not bad.

Enjoy.
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Post by dan Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:50 pm

The only portals that count, are the ones that take us back home 🏡.  

Every portal takes us back home 🏡.  

Every altered state takes us back home.

Every conventional state takes us back home.  

In the End, there is no difference.  

There is the question of physical/biological transition between the sides.  

On the other side, bodies are optional........ as they are on this side.  

Physical phenomena can be transmitted from either side.  

Can you take your smart phone 📱 to the other side?

Ultimately, you can do anything you want.



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Post by smelly da goat Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:09 pm

Every disease takes you home too.

Are there really any questions left?

Really?

Do we care how things work really on any side?

I live my life with my pack, that’s my entire focus.

That’s the part I’m responsible for.

How things work seems to not be the point if you ask me.

What we think doesn’t matter, what we do does.

Maybe how we can best live wherever we are will always be the best focus of our diseased minds until we are smarter 🐐

There is so much weird and eerie and material happening.

So much beyond my understanding and awareness.

It’s kinda fun to take your hands off the wheel and kick Jesus out of the car.

That big mouth can hitchhike.

Somehow it all keeps whirlygigging.

I guess I graduated.

I don’t feel any difference.

I just don’t have any questions left.

But the weird and eerie seem to never stop.

This illusion of me is stubbornly persisting and pushing to live.

I have no argument with being or accusation or critiques.

Only marveling at our stupidity and lack of awareness.

It certainly seems insurmountable.

I guess nature has other options.

It could kill us off easily.

But here we spin.

It must truly all just happen.
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Post by Foresaperire Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:34 pm

Your perception of the "weird and eerie" is a reflection of your own inner state of being.
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Post by smelly da goat Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:17 pm

Foresaperire wrote:Your perception of the "weird and eerie" is a reflection of your own inner state of being.  

We know it through our gaps.

I won’t name or claim it.

It will show you much if you go looking for it, but those are all false images.

You can see heaven and all the angels on a pin if you like.

It seems the force behind life.

Seen in how we don’t really have any free will.

I just have to know it is here and that is me and me is we as far as I can know.

That part of ourselves is really none of my business.

If it wants to communicate, it makes itself known.

It surfaces desires that lead back to it.

It all leads back to it.

Being is like a creeping rootstalk.

Those tendrils slowly are absorbing what’s left of me.

They are coming out of every part of me.

But I feel it now.

Oh yes.

I feel the wonder.

I feel the energy moving across vast networks of mycelium.

The tendrils are interdimensional.

Looking now at the patterns of gas connecting galaxies more and more seems like a web of these roots completely transecting our space and minds.

One result is nothing is lost.

You just have to see where you are in the network.

Where your node is.

And if you know a little about networking in plants, it’s just a hop skip and a jump into the Forest of your dreams.

From here, we can see inside.

We are very fortunate.

We were allowed to fruit on the surface of the roots.

We live in a mycelial cosmos.

In his book, The Omnivore’s Dilemma, Pollan wrote this:

“Part of the problem is simply that fungi are very difficult to observe. What we call a mushroom is only the tip of the iceberg of a much bigger and essentially invisible organism that lives most of its life underground. The mushroom is the ‘fruiting body’ of a subterranean network of microscopic hyphae, improbably long rootlike cells that thread themselves through the soil like neurons. Bunched like cables, the hyphae form webs of (still microscopic) mycelium. Mycologists can’t dig up a mushroom like a plant to study its structure because its mycelium is too tiny and delicate to tease from the soil without disintegrating. … To see the whole organism of which [the mushroom] is merely a component may simply be impossible.”

Now, doesn’t dark matter, as modeled by Richard Massey, look like “a subterranean network of microscopic hyphae?”

Planets, stars, galaxies are just manifestations – like mushrooms.  Hard to predict where they will pop out.  Harder still to tell from where they come.  

Later in Pollan’s book he says:

“Fungi, lacking chlorophyll, differ from plants in that they can’t manufacture food energy from the sun. Like animals, they feed on organic matter made by plants, or by plant eaters. Most of the fungi we eat obtain their energy by one of two means: saprophytically, by decomposing dead vegetable matter, and mycorrhizally [like chanterelles and morels], by associating with the roots of living plants. Among the saprophytes, many of which can be cultivated by inoculating a suitable mass of dead organic matter (logs, manure, grain) with their spores, are the common white button mushrooms, shiitakes, cremini, Portobellos, and oyster mushrooms. Most of the choicest wild mushrooms are impossible to cultivate, or nearly so, since they need living and often very old trees in order to grow, and can take several decades to fruit.”

Invisible and completely supporting all life.

I can understand this.

So this is how the cosmos showed itself to me.

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Post by hobbit Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:57 am

Been the diseased geek hobbit that I am I track mushrooms on the matrix that is detectable via dowsing.
The most obvious are the fairy rings, and suprise suprise they alter radius by thirteen inches.
But over vast areas the location and alignments of many other species becomes clear.

Consciousness layers and flows upon the matrix, the mushrooms are absorbing variant flows of information.

It's akin to a map that is non visible, but once You attune to it You can switch from one alignment to another same as switching radio channels.

You can also stay tuned to one specific alignment and no matter how You wander off it by simply thinking of that specific alignment move direct back onto it.

Those clever little mushrooms taught Me such.

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Post by smelly da goat Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:43 am

dark matter...
chaos...
lightening...
purple rain...

I would agree Dan, if I was to guess, we have a one shot beginning, middle and end.

The eternities try to deceive and distract you, but we got one shot baby!

Thomas Pynchon...father...son...and Holy Ghost.

The nomad has the ball now.

Has the Paraclete scrambled the eggs?

Straight on.
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Post by dan Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:48 am

Well, from the perspective of our egos, we only go around once........ from the perspective of the Source/Telos, we go around 10^10 times...... and it all works out for the best.

And I’m sure the mycelia have much to teach us about the nature of reality.  

The mycelia are the most versatile/flexible forms of life.  

It is interesting that hobbit has found the mycelia attuned to the networking of the world........ both mentally and biologically.  

‘Shrooms’ provide us with both the high road and the low road....... boots on the ground..... wings in the air.  

‘Shrooms’ can teach us about portals...... both geographically and psychologically.  

We think of metaphors as just being figures of speech 🎤.  

CS Peirce had theory he called infinite semiosis.  

I like the name, even if I have no clue about the theory.  

Infinite semiosis sounds like Quine’s dictionary problem...... you can only define words in terms of other words.  

Mushrooms and portals provide an exit from our word traps....... they point us to another level of reality, a level intimately related to conventional, waking reality........ pointing to the unconscious.  

Semiotics is closely aligned with the theory of meaning...... and, as with the theory of truth, it is bifurcated into correspondence and coherence.

Meaning, however, is a mental construct. Materialists don’t recognize the legitimacy of anything mental.



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Post by smelly da goat Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:32 am

Tru dat ^^^^

We eukaryotes only know the smallest slice of life on earth.

The amount of life on earth is staggering.

As is what we don’t know.

We even have hints there is something else beyond dark matter even.

I go outside and just sit in the yard and I can’t believe the scene of life.

With all this happening, we each have the smallest life to maintain and tend to.

We have the thinnest grasp on life, before our ashes are blown away on the wind.

It doesn’t depress me, it is beyond my comprehension and comment.
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Post by dan Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:34 am

Well, Chivo,

Allow me to present you with three new thoughts........

1.)  We cannot understand one thing without understanding everything.  

2.)  Love is a many splendored thing.

3.)  When we are one with the One, we will understand everything for the first time........ especially ourselves.  

In other words, we live in an unobstructed universe.

I’m speaking of gnosis, which has always been the enemy of religion and of science, for that matter.



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Post by smelly da goat Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:27 am

To stay sane, one has to ignore the gnosis most of the time.

The zen call them pictures in the sky.

The voice that I trust most inside is the one who has pierced everything outside.

The one not trying to understand, the one that knows.

I don’t think we can ever really know oneness in form, but when we let all the walls down, you certainly feel it.

To know the small and simple and love it, is perhaps to know and love it all.

We can so complicate or simplify our lives.

Simple is best.


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Post by hobbit Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:47 am

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43650/auguries-of-innocence

I share the same birthday date as William Blake.

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Post by smelly da goat Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:53 am

Thanks hobbit, I have read that poem several times.

I only now feel I am getting even the smallest clue what he means.

Some muppets let themselves be totally caught up in the interplay, but I have to keep it simple.
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Post by dan Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:06 pm

Yes, thanks, hobbit.  

Blake was certainly a fellow gnostic.  

Gnosticism is virtually synonymous with personalism.  

To be an agnostic is to be apersonalist.  

To feel oneness is to know oneness.  

If you have ever felt the slightest twinge of agape/oneness, you may be assured that you are destined to abide one with the One.  

That is the only gnosis that is worth knowing.  

If you have ever felt something that you had not the words to express, then you are a gnostic.  

How many philosophical treatises have been composed on the meaning of meaning........ specifying that it is something more than a word game......... that sense transcends mere reference...... that intension transcends extension?

This is related to the idea of intrinsic vs extrinsic.  

Then there is the whole notion of intention........ and the problem of intentionality.  

Or, is there something like what it is to be a bat....... as suggested by Thomas Nagel....... and the problem of subjectivity?  

It is true, however, that no one has been able to defeat the arguments of the professional scientific materialists who defend the nonexistence of mind and subjectivity.  It remains academically respectable to hold such a position.  

With the computer industry, there are trillions of dollars riding on there being no ontological distinction between the simulation and emulation of intelligence.

But there is more than this......... the entire modernist mindset is predicted upon there being no such distinction.  

I believe that people sense, very generally, perhaps, that we have backed ourselves into an historical blind alley with our scientific materialism, from which we understand that there will be no graceful exit, short of a scientific miracle of the first magnitude.



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Post by hobbit Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:35 am

"not the words to express"

I had such with a Blake water colour.

We had gone to a wedding in Sheffield and I wandered into a Blakes exhibition, by the Tate.

I came face to face with this .....

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/blake-the-river-of-life-n05887



I tripped totally and almost went into it, I must have almost collapsed as a security woman came running over to see if I was all right.

I felt at one with Blake as if I were there when He drew it.

No words.

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Post by smelly da goat Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:36 pm

That would do it hobbit Wink

When I was boy, I often had this crazy chills goosebumps reaction.

Not just goosebumps, but a warm feeling, like waves up and down my body would happen when focused on particular books and feelings and ideas or if something was in the air invisible around me.

In church, when I met certain people.

I felt intense presences and sometimes saw lights flash in my closet.

At night, I was tormented by nightmares and I would see arms come out of the wall.

Yah, I always been a weird smelly goat.

When I was a kid I talked matter of fact my about my invisible feelings and friends, people thought I was really weird.

I get chills on my legs and then chest and then back and then head in a wave, but with no outside temp changes.

It just happens spontaneously.

At music too.

Waves and waves, it is very pleasant and sometimes so intense I shudder.

Maybe other people experience this.

Sitting in a still position, reading certain things or seeing or feeling something, triggers these goosebump waves.

I’ve come to feel it is a kind of probe or physical reaction to information.

I do not trigger it consciously.

I am right now, sitting in my chair feeling waves of warm energy roll over me as I write.

I say all that to say, as soon as I clicked your link, I had an explosion of waves flowing over me very very intensely as I looked at the image, from nowhere.

Never had seen this image before.

I immediately also thought, that is what life is like in the other place.

I haven’t felt a hit so strong in awhile.

Maybe this kind of works like your dowsing rods.

I don’t think about it much, but I do note experiences where I feel the warm waves.

Weird and eerie.
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Post by dan Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:21 pm

Well, fortunately, chick 🐥 is not as sensitive as you guys, otherwise he could never function like the normal person he’s supposed to be.  

I would not be able to be so sympathetic with the muppets.  

So, yes, I come from a much more conceptual place.  

I can get off on metaphors and metanarratives....... even mathematics.  

Anyway, I’m not looking for a scientific miracle. We’ve had more than our fair share of those. It’s made us fat and lazy.

We’re overdue for a real miracle........ we need a little shock and awe.

We need something that can put the fear of God back into us...... I mean in a good way........ wake us out of our slumber of materialism.



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Post by smelly da goat Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:09 am

Your mind is your radar chick.

You are doing just fine.

Feeling this is only for the one feeling it.

Don’t forget final participation.

Part of that is seeing through fear.

You are the miracle.

We lack nothing.

Live in the real and you know this.

This is not compatible with capitalist reality.

The sense world is cracking.

I feel that’s prob for the best.

Who says you can’t have it all?

How long have we been led astray by that idea?

Straight on.
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Post by hobbit Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:56 am

Smelly one,

An artist paints via the hands, but what is directing the hands?

It's all by field.

I too had many friends that others couldn't see, I never spoke a word until i was over five years old.

Dans scientific materialism is all based on the 3D physical, they will say that the brain directs the hands, which is correct but what is operating the brain/s?

I have years wandering about megalithic sites puzzling their reason and design criteria/s.

They were operating between the 3d physical and the non physical with birth and death and rebirth central.

We are the non physical inhabiting a 3D physical vehicle to experience the density of 3D, and Blakes water colour of the river of life captured that journey, the music involved I have heard, and no words can describe it, the love is total.

Time is only relative to the flows of compression and decompression creating the field We are in with our 3D vehicles been attuned to that planets field.

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Post by dan Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:22 am

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I’m sorry, but you are being stupid again.  

You simply cannot wean yourself off of your stupidly mechanical mindset.  

You should have been an auto mechanic or a hydraulic engineer.

You have no clue beyond that stupidity.  

I could talk you down from your stupid hydraulicism, but you refuse to talk....... so I’ll just have to make fun of you.  

Part of hobbit’s problem is that he hates people...... who have overrun his formerly natural world.

He shares this view with the Princess, bless her heart.  

No, hobbit, this world is by people, for people and about people.  

That’s why the End of the world is hoving into view...... as we speak.

Just hang on to your little bonnet, hobbit.  

The best possible world is about to end....... with a singular demonstration of personalism....... where one little person will turn the world inside out, and stand it on its head.  

Little chick 🐥 continues to labor under the impression that he could be that person........ Donald Trump notwithstanding...... Princess 👸 and foot 🦶 notwithstanding....... sorry, folks.  

Of course, I don’t really care if I, personally, don’t make the cut..... that is merely an academic question.  

Someone will make the cut, and that’s all that will count.  

If you have to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the scientists.....but they truly know not what they are doing...... they are just out following the herd...... while no one is staying home to mind the store.  chicken little 🐥 is about to come by, and huff and puff, and blow their little store down, and they will hardly know the difference..... until it is much too late.  

The scientific herd has backed itself into the blind alley of materialism.  

Why is a scientist like a virgin........?  One paranormal prick and their materialism is all gone.  

chick 🐥 is the prick.  

All I have to do to be the paranormal prick is to make light of materialism.  

Now, I’m not stupid........ I know that most of our lives depend completely on science and technology.  

But, hey, all good things must end.  

We don’t worry so much about ourselves as about the young ‘uns.  

Don’t fret....... God will suffer the children to come unto her....... you really ought to be worrying more about your own hide.  

Ultimately, materialism is just a silly, silly set of beliefs.  

Materialism tells us that green is not green, and words have no meaning........ how obtusely silly 😜.  

The king is stark naked, but all the good citizens are pretending not to notice.  All the experts just take themselves so..... so seriously 😳.  

And once we stop upholding its every silly quirk, it will tumble down like a house of cards.



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Post by hobbit Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:01 am

I was for a while an hydraulic engineer.
And tested auto engineers to NVQ levels.

And as a mechanical hobbit I do need the odd drop of lubrication via vin rouge, and guinness.

Sticks and stone may break My bones, but words will NEVER hurt Me.

The world is not by people, there are countless birds that inhabit My domain who believe it is there world , butterflies by the dozen are flying out of our home here as it warms up.
mice keep pinching the bread I use for fishing from My barn.

Our dogs tolerate us here as useful , and allow us to take them for walks .

I think You need to be dropped into the jungle of the Atlantic ocean and tell the jungle animals and fish that this is mans world.

I for one am happy to share with them this glorious little blob in universe.


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Post by dan Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:10 am

Poor, hobbit, he has never taken a philosophy or a physics course.  

He thinks that when he looks at a tree 🌲, he sees a tree........ well, actually, you do, but it is a tree of your own manufacture.

No, we are not thrown into the world...... it is thrown into us.  

Everything is upside down and backwards from what you learn under the regime of modernism.



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