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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by GSB Fri May 28, 2021 6:47 am

    Here's looking at you, Foot ... ;-)

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/ufo-whistleblower-ig-complaint-pentagon-491098

    The former Pentagon official who went public about reports of UFOs has filed a complaint with the agency’s inspector general claiming a coordinated campaign to discredit him for speaking out — including accusing a top official of threatening to tell people he was "crazy," according to documents reviewed by POLITICO.

    Lue Elizondo, a career counterintelligence specialist who was assigned in 2008 to work for a Pentagon program that investigated reports of "unmanned aerial phenomena," filed the 64-page complaint to the independent watchdog on May 3 and has met several times with investigators, according to his legal team.


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    Post by dan Fri May 28, 2021 9:57 am

    1600z.......

    Gary,

    Loons, crooks and worse.........


    And I’m reading more about Gary’s constructor theory.......  
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/with-constructor-theory-chiara-marletto-invokes-the-impossible-20210429/  

    and  

    https://plus.maths.org/content/nailing-information

    while taking the slow train 🚂 back from the Indiana Dunes.  


    1800.........

    The first of the above articles virtually offers proof of the BPWH.  

    There is an undertone of desperation concerning whether physics has not already proven that life is physically impossible.  

    Hasn’t the No-cloning theorem (NCT) already proven that life is physically impossible?  

    Is Constructor theory going to disprove the NCT?


    1930...........

    You might also want to look at Schrödinger’s What Is Life?  


    2030...........

    Haven’t aeronautical engineers proven that bumble bees 🐝 can’t fly?  


    2310..........

    The reason for the existence of little chick 🐣, put negatively, is simply to bring shame upon the scientific materialists.  

    Does this make me a vengeful meany?  

    Are the scientific materialists deserving of public shame?  

    I believe that they are, simply because they, of all people, should know better.  

    In general, the scientific materialists constitute a privileged lot.  

    They are using their privilege to abuse the less fortunate.  

    They are intellectual bullies.  

    Am I simply standing up for the weaklings?  

    No.  I’m standing up for the Truth, which, in our modern age, happens to be grossly under represented.  

    Scientists generally believe that they have a special and unassailable handle on the Truth.  

    They come to this conclusion mainly because they are terribly naive about the essentially philosophical nature of the question.  

    Both sides are guilty of having turned this question into a political one.  

    It is very difficult to consider this question from a purely rational perspective.  

    The main problem, at this late date, is simply to define what we mean by rationality.  

    The main problem of the scientists is in not recognizing that rationality cannot be defined objectively.

    With the awareness of this scientific blind spot, comes the awareness that the scientific worldview is without logical foundation.  



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    Post by hobbit Sat May 29, 2021 1:05 am

    "I am standing up for the truth"



    That is based on medical, but so called scientists are just the same...greedy bastards.

    As for bees can't fly, lets talk about chitin.

    https://universe-inside-you.com/anti-gravity-viktor-grebennikov/

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    Post by GSB Sat May 29, 2021 7:45 am

    Spacetime crystals proposed by placing space and time on an equal footing

    https://phys.org/news/2021-05-spacetime-crystals-space-equal-footing.html

    A Penn State scientist studying crystal structures has developed a new mathematical formula that may solve a decades-old problem in understanding spacetime, the fabric of the universe proposed in Einstein's theories of relativity.

    "Gopalan's idea of general relativistic spacetime crystals and how to obtain them is both powerful and broad," said Martin Bojowald, professor of physics at Penn State. "This research, in part, presents a new approach to a problem in physics that has remained unresolved for decades."

    In addition to providing a new approach to relate spacetime to traditional geometry, the research has implications for developing new structures with exotic properties, known as spacetime crystals.

    "These possibilities could usher in an entirely new class of metamaterials with exotic properties otherwise not available in nature, besides understanding the fundamental attributes of a number of dynamical systems," said Avadh Saxena, a physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory.


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    Post by dan Sat May 29, 2021 7:36 pm

    0130z........

    I trust that there are no hard feelings........ we are all just playing our assigned roles, as our cosmic drama plays out........ some little kid has got to show up and point to the naked king...... 🐣


    0500........

    Actually, in this case, the King was sporting a really fine set of duds, but, still, underneath it all, it wasn’t hard to tell that he was naked.  

    Well, to be more technical, underneath it all was the naked singularity....... the best possible Singularity.  

    ...... the only possible singularity.  

    And the rest of us are....... agape.

    Please keep in mind that the Mandelbrot is a singularity, in its own inimitable fashion.  

    Doesn’t the I Am deserve a little bit of credit?

    Sure........ we can all pat ourselves on the back.

    To say that it was good enough for gummint work would be being rather too modest, imho....... 🐣.



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    Post by dan Sun May 30, 2021 5:52 am

    1200z.......

    It does seem that Chivo had a bit of a medical situation, yesterday.  

    You hang in there, now, Chivo!

    And, yes, Elaine is a good person to know.

    And about that naked singularity...... do keep in mind that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and vice-versa...... and then turn it inside-out.  


    1300........

    Does the Logos Spermatikos recapitulate the Ouroboros..... or is it vice-versa?  

    I was about to say last night.........

    Materialism provided quite a ride...... but all good stuff must end.  

    It’s about time to move on to the next act.  

    The One can’t wait forever.  
    .............

    Maybe this was meant for Chivo.  


    1430.........

    And, speaking of recapitulation, a mama deer 🦌 just had her baby under a bush in our back yard.  

    Actually, she had twins 👯.  


    1600........

    And what a silly 🙃 opinion piece this is.......
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/30/opinion/ufo-sightings-report.html

    ........ especially when combined with this article...... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/health/psychedelics-mdma-psilocybin-molly-mental-health.html

    The psychedelic revolution is getting ahead of Disclosure.  

    The scientists will be the last ones to connect the dots....... how arrogantly narrow minded.......
    There are also common-sense objections. If we are being frequently visited by aliens, why don’t they just land on the White House lawn and announce themselves? There is a recurring narrative, perhaps best exemplified by the TV show “The X-Files,” that these creatures have some mysterious reason to remain hidden from us. But if the mission of these aliens calls for stealth, they seem surprisingly incompetent.
    ....... And, guess what, Dr Adam Frank........ the Visitors had their sights on the White House long before you were born....... even long before the Native Americans reached these fair shores.  

    It’s all been written in the stars ✨...... you just need to look a little more carefully...... Herr Professor 👨🏫.  

    It’s excruciatingly obvious that Professor Frank is barely even aware of the Anthropic Principle...... how amazingly myopic can these academics be?  


    1900.........

    There is a psychedelic wave, and there is a ufo wave.  

    What is a going to happen when these two waves collide?  

    The Inter-dimensional hypothesis will open up.  

    All we need to finish this off will be a portal or two.  

    Do we have anything else to throw into the boiling pot?  

    The chickens will be coming home to roost.



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    Post by Foot Mann Sun May 30, 2021 8:54 pm

    Chicken should read: https://www.library.hbs.edu/citations/sc-faculty-collections/dan-throop-smith-papers-finding-aid
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    Post by GSB Mon May 31, 2021 7:02 am

    There is a psychedelic wave, and there is a ufo wave. What is a going to happen when these two waves collide?

    CONTACT is the ultimate hallucinogen, but human experience is constrained by the sub-system of the self.

    The Visuddhimagga is one of the texts to give explicit details about how spiritual masters were thought to actually manifest supernormal abilities. It states that abilities such as flying through the air, walking through solid obstructions, diving into the ground, walking on water and so forth are achieved through changing one element, such as earth, into another element, such as air.[3] The individual must master kasina meditation before this is possible.

    Sounds a bit familiar, eh? ;-)



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    Post by dan Mon May 31, 2021 3:55 pm

    Someone I know recommended Michael Pollan’s overview of psychedelics. It provides a rather good synopsis of the whole context.  

    Medicine/psychology is about to undergo it’s mother of all paradigm shifts.

    The ufo phenomenon is only a minor spinoff.

    Which will come first.......... the chemical portal or the ‘physical’ portal?

    Either one would do the trick, but, heck, now we can have double the fun.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon May 31, 2021 4:40 pm

    GSB wrote:There is a psychedelic wave, and there is a ufo wave. What is a going to happen when these two waves collide?  

    CONTACT is the ultimate hallucinogen, but human experience is constrained by the sub-system of the self.

    The Visuddhimagga is one of the texts to give explicit details about how spiritual masters were thought to actually manifest supernormal abilities. It states that abilities such as flying through the air, walking through solid obstructions, diving into the ground, walking on water and so forth are achieved through changing one element, such as earth, into another element, such as air.[3] The individual must master kasina meditation before this is possible.

    Sounds a bit familiar, eh? ;-)


    Nope.

    Breathing tricks aren’t gonna do it.

    Contact of the natural kind is not real contact.

    It is only a trigger or invitation, a portal.

    Your 🧠 always was the ultimate portal.

    It goes far deeper than you could possibly imagine.

    If you don’t know what I mean, then you don’t know what I mean.

    Pollan is only scratching the surface.

    I read his book.

    Unless you have done a lot of psychedelics, you don’t know.

    They are just a glimpse though of nous.

    I am quite well aquatinted with the psychedelic.

    We are all hallucinating our experience actually.

    You have natural psycadelics streaming in your blood all the time.

    There is a deep connection between fungi and hermetics.

    Terrence McKenna beat you guys to those decades ago.

    And he was mostly correct in my experience.

    Why don’t you guys take a bunch and then we can really communicate.

    I can say from experience psychedelics allow you to touch each other’s minds.

    Lights in the sky can’t compare to the light inside you.

    I often observed and experienced hearing others voices and symbols in mind in the same room with me.

    If ya’ll would like some fungi, I’ll help you grow it, I have many spores to share.

    I am happy to report that the current generation is grasping ahold of fungi like no other.

    In 10-20 years this will be a very different world after all the boomers shuffle off the mortal coil and the fungi have done their work.

    There are some amazing spots where only the initiated meet.

    Quite incredible how things are progressing underground.

    The mycelial network is vast and has many fruiting bodies on earth now.

    There is nothing like cultivating your own fungi and diving in.

    In fact, that is part of the initiation, growing your own.

    All those Christians and Islamic types are tripping on their own ambrosia made in their small little brains.

    Some of us are much better at tuning in to the trip than others.

    I have incredible visual and symbolic trips, while others have nothing.

    The fun is when you close your eyes and it all projects on the back of your eyelids.

    It is quite amazing.


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    Post by dan Mon May 31, 2021 4:44 pm

    Chivo,

    Are you still in the hospital?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon May 31, 2021 4:47 pm

    No, I’m alive and kicking.

    Apparently I have the heart of a bull.

    You know what they do to bulls.

    I guess I am being fattened up for a later sacrifice.

    Perhaps I have time yet to spend within the Labyrinth.

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    Post by dan Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:49 am

    1250z........

    As an historical note, RAW’s Cosmic Trigger was written in partial collaboration with Timothy Leary in 1977, during Leary’s Hollywood phase.

    RAW’s concept of a cosmic trigger was the secular forerunner of the MoAPS.  

    This is where ufos and psychedelics are liable to collide.

    And there is the Office of Naval Intelligence...... more or less at ground zero....... ever since, at least, Donald Menzel, the Harvard astronomer and mj12 member.  

    Donald attempted to track the phenomenon........ but, since that’s impossible, ‘we’ track the people associated with the phenomenon..... the walking portals.  


    1410..........

    Pollan........
    I’m also sensitive to the limitations of the scientific-materialist perspective and believe that nature (including the human mind) still holds deep mysteries toward which science can sometimes seem arrogant and unjustifiably dismissive.

    Was it possible that a single psychedelic experience—something that turned on nothing more than the ingestion of a pill or square of blotter paper—could put a big dent in such a worldview? .......

    It was a little like being shown a door in a familiar room—the room of your own mind—that you had somehow never noticed before and being told by people you trusted (scientists!) that a whole other way of thinking—of being!—lay waiting on the other side. All you had to do was turn the knob and enter. Who wouldn’t be curious? 
    Who, indeed?

    The difference between Michael and the chick 🐣 is that, through philosophy, I was afforded the opportunity to understand that reality and hallucination can easily be reversed 🔄, ontologically.  

    The result is the best possible Eschaton.  

    Neuroscientists are only able to think of molecules.  

    An ethologist is able to begin to imagine all the entanglements that those molecules represent.  Think especially of DNA 🧬...... as an entanglement device.  


    1630.........

    HERE’S WHAT I DON’T GET about an experience like Bob Jesse’s: Why in the world would you ever credit it at all? I didn’t understand why you wouldn’t simply file it under “interesting dream” or “drug-induced fantasy.” But along with the feeling of ineffability, the conviction that some profound objective truth has been disclosed to you is a hallmark of the mystical experience, regardless of whether it has been occasioned by a drug, meditation, fasting, flagellation, or sensory deprivation. William James gave a name to this conviction: the noetic quality. People feel they have been let in on a deep secret of the universe, and they cannot be shaken from that conviction.  
    .........

    Pahnke had failed to mention that several subjects had struggled with acute anxiety during their experience. One had to be restrained and given an injection of Thorazine, a powerful antipsychotic, after he fled from the chapel and headed down Commonwealth Avenue, convinced he had been chosen to announce the news of the coming of the Messiah.
    Hmmm 🧐..........


    1740............

    “That says something important about how reluctant cultures are to expose themselves to the changes these kinds of compounds can occasion,” he told me the first time we met. “There is so much authority that comes out of the primary mystical experience that it can be threatening to existing hierarchical structures.”
    ..........

    IN 1999, an odd but intriguing advertisement began appearing in weeklies in the Baltimore and Washington, D.C., area, under the headline “Interested in the Spiritual Life?”

    University research with entheogens (roughly, God-evoking substances such as peyote and sacred mushrooms) has returned. The field of study includes pharmacology, psychology, creativity enhancement, and spirituality. To explore the possibility of participating in confidential entheogen research projects, call 1-888-585-8870, toll free. www.csp.org.


    1900.........

    He detected in such experiences, in which the mind “ascend[ s] to a more enveloping point of view,” hints of a grand metaphysical “reconciliation”: “It is as if the opposites of the world, whose contradictoriness and conflict make all our difficulties and troubles, were melted into unity.” This ultimate unity, he suspected, was no mere delusion.
    ...........

    I then read to him a letter from Huston Smith, the scholar of comparative religion who in 1962 had volunteered in Walter Pahnke’s Good Friday Experiment. It was written to Bob Jesse shortly after the publication of Griffiths’s landmark 2006 paper; Jesse had shared it with me.

    “The Johns Hopkins experiment shows—proves—that under controlled, experimental conditions, psilocybin can occasion genuine mystical experiences. It uses science, which modernity trusts, to undermine modernity’s secularism. In doing so, it offers hope of nothing less than a re-sacralization of the natural and social world, a spiritual revival that is our best defense against not only soullessness, but against religious fanaticism. And it does so in the very teeth of the unscientific prejudices built into our current drug laws.”
    .........

    So here was a curious paradox. The same phenomenon that pointed to a materialist explanation for spiritual and religious belief gave people an experience so powerful it convinced them of the existence of a nonmaterial reality—the very basis of religious belief.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:18 am

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:No, I’m alive and kicking.

    Apparently I have the heart of a bull.

    You know what they do to bulls.

    I guess I am being fattened up for a later sacrifice.

    Perhaps I have time yet to spend within the Labyrinth.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:41 am

    They already have Alpha, when will they reach Omega?
    https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/read-this/covid-variants-will-be-renamed-using-greek-letters-heres-why-3256612?fbclid=IwAR3qzzn8PicT6Aup-mXKKZMmvulZEmvYi5r9aLE7Y9T0D8jyWqzkXh7DMpE

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:52 pm

    Now, after all these years Dan is interested in psychedelics?!

    Oh brother.

    You have to go beyond words into the symbol world.

    Methinks he doesn’t listen very well.

    I had a mushroom trip the other week that would blow your freaking toes off.

    And many of us are exploring with these tools.

    None of these ufo types listen very well.

    I think most of you are arrogant morons really in the ufo and intelligence community.

    Can’t see what is happening right under your noses.

    Just another bunch of religious zealots.

    No sense of humor at all on top of it.

    They are blinded, on purpose or not, I don’t know.

    The CIA and other govt groups have done lots of psycadelic research.

    But they look to misuse them so they can’t unlock them.

    Only the penitent will pass.

    They can’t assert their power over the awakened.

    We are untouchable by their schemes.

    We are free radicals in the systems making many covert moves intuitively.

    You don’t just do psychedelics and figure them out.

    You don’t trip once and see it all.

    It’s part of the hard work of reconnecting to Nous, supreme mind.

    You have to do them with no agenda.

    Intention, set and setting matters.

    In this area, the powers that be are children.

    Talk to me after you drank Ayahuasca for 2 years.

    Just saying, it is not explained in any book.

    The key to final participation is that you have to participate!

    Oh brother, what to do with all these muppets?!

    I wish it was as easy as dosing everyone with lsd.

    You have to initiate yourself with them and do the hard work step by step.

    And let me see you try 5gr of magic mushrooms and try to tell me about your theories about life.

    Bahahahahahahaha

    You might become a smelly goat and then you can really have some fun with your life.

    They lead you to one place.

    The same place we all end up who go down the rabbit hole.

    They can lead you to a life relaxed and full of joy.

    That’s not so bad, is it?

    You can come to see through all the symbols and one day it just clicks.


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    Post by Foresaperire Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:56 pm

    GSB wrote:There is a psychedelic wave, and there is a ufo wave. What is a going to happen when these two waves collide?  

    CONTACT is the ultimate hallucinogen, but human experience is constrained by the sub-system of the self.

    The Visuddhimagga is one of the texts to give explicit details about how spiritual masters were thought to actually manifest supernormal abilities. It states that abilities such as flying through the air, walking through solid obstructions, diving into the ground, walking on water and so forth are achieved through changing one element, such as earth, into another element, such as air.[3] The individual must master kasina meditation before this is possible.

    Sounds a bit familiar, eh? ;-)


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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:03 pm

    You are not a servant.

    The New Testament is a book of lies written by liars.

    Jesus is not your king.

    Get up off the ground.

    Stop crawling like a serpent.

    If you have not exposed yourself, you are hiding.

    Do better.

    Psalm 91

    Psycadelics do not reveal truth.

    The experience is yours alone.

    You can see through the experience.

    But then you have to get up and walk it out.

    Everyone in the ufo community wants to be famous it seems.

    But they won’t do their own work.

    Apply what you learn and raise yourself and your quality to the best it can be.

    Egos misunderstand it and are led astray by the psychedelic illusions.

    It takes time and maturity and intelligence to integrate.

    I was a much better candidate for Jesus than Dan.

    They offered smelly goat the job, but I turned them down with a goat fart.

    Psychedelics show you, you don’t know shit.

    It is not ineffable.

    You express it through joy and poetry and love and your art.

    Your life is your art and answer back to the nous.

    My love is shown through my farts.

    But you are too dumb to see through the smell.

    The Christians didn’t listen to Jesus.

    The early church orthodox were wrong.

    Dead wrong.

    About many things.

    They listened to lies about Jesus.

    You have to go into the darkness yourself.

    You have to wrestle with mind.

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    Post by Foresaperire Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:28 pm

    Matthew 7:1-3
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:29 pm

    More lies ^^^

    For, you are a hiding wimp.

    Your words have no power.

    When they do, then you have something.

    I think you are totally full of shit and inauthentic, like most people.

    You have no style.

    You are just relating what you read.

    There is no truth in any book.

    It’s only in your life, where most can’t see.

    Just my smelly opinion.

    Judge the fruit of the trees.

    Taste the fruit.

    Pop the bubble of all the pretenders.
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    Post by Foresaperire Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:20 pm

    1 Corinthians 13:1
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:26 pm

    That book is a book of lies.

    Of course you quote it, you don’t know any better and have not raised yourself up yet.

    We will agree to disagree until you expose your nakedness.

    Boring.

    Shrug.

    For has done psycadelics I believe, ymmv.

    He still gets miffed if he is personally known.

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    Post by Foresaperire Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:27 pm

    Revelation 12:10
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    Post by Foresaperire Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:30 pm

    Allah said..." "O you who have believed! Avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful." Quran 49:12
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:33 pm

    Allah is a lie, so.

    Belief is for muppets who don’t know any better.

    And of course he preaches fear.

    Fear is the mind killer.

    One wonders why you are so afraid to be naked?

    You might want to check out Elaine’s excellent analysis of Revelations.

    Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation https://www.amazon.com/dp/0143121634/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_MDBQBEZKSJEFTGC4Q4WW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

    I’ve been nothing but open and sincere with For.

    Where he has only been an elusive judgemental pretender.

    I suspect that’s his job.

    He is following his script.

    He’s hiding.

    Like left foot and Kevin.

    All hiding.

    All liars.

    They hide together.

    They don’t know they don’t know.

    What is there to hide?

    Ignorance?

    Death will expose it.

    He ain’t gonna hide from that.

    Shrug.


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