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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by dan Fri May 21, 2021 6:25 am

    1230z........

    Is there a need for a cosmic nucleus....... the way each galaxy has a black hole at its core?

    Is the cosmic Self that singularity?  

    I don’t think there can be just a singularity....... perhaps a polarity, like Creator and Creation.  

    With atoms, we have the electrons and nucleus.  If the electrons are persons, then what is the nucleus, pray tell?  

    I have often said that to be is to relate.

    The most related is the most real.  

    I don’t think there can be much argument that the most related being is the j-guy.  

    Does that provide the cosmic nucleating agent...... if such a one is needed?  

    There are numerous other possible contenders, but history isn’t over, yet.  

    The second coming will only be the proof of the first.  

    Agape is the cosmic glue and the ground of Being.  

    What about the Abyss?  

    We wouldn’t want to leave home without it.  

    The nucleus has to be something like the trinity.  

    The Abyss is nothing other than doubt.  

    What came before the I Am?  

    Nothing.  

    See what I mean.  

    Will there always be room for doubt?  

    What about the Pleroma?  

    Besides agape, there must be room for alienation, or we could never not be one with the One.  

    We never are not, ontologically, so the Abyss is the greatest illusion.  

    How many astronomers does it take to maintain one abyss?  

    A lot...... bless their many hearts.  

    So there is no nucleus.  

    At best, we have various foci.  

    The trinity is such a one........ it comes in many guises.  


    1450........

    Is there a ground of Being?

    I don’t know what else, other than agape.  

    It’s not clear, though, whether agape is the ground of persons, or persons are the ground of agape.  


    Are we in any better position to reconsider portals?  

    It’s not even obvious that there is another side.  

    If being born again or awakening is a portal, what about falling in love?  

    Is there another side to the ordinary waking world?  

    There is a physical realm, but is there a metaphysical realm..... other than with altered states that may only be illusory?  

    There are certainly hidden dimensions in physics.  These dimensions can be explored through mathematics.  

    Mathematics is a kind of metaphysics.  

    A doorway is a portal from outdoors to indoors.  It has two distinct sides, and a physical location in a wall.  

    With a dream, there is a transition into a different space, entirely.  

    It is supposed that this transition is taking place only in the head.



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    Post by GSB Sat May 22, 2021 6:02 am

    Is Elon Musk a secret member of Dan's Best Possible World?

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    Post by dan Sat May 22, 2021 8:11 am

    Gary,

    Well, I did beat Elon by a few decades in coming up with that variation on Arthur C Clarke.  


    What I’m currently wondering about is if there is any ontological middle ground between a hole in the wall and a hole in the head, if you catch the drift.  

    In other words, do we have to be dualistic about portals?

    Often times, folks are just walking along, minding their own business, when they realize they aren’t in Kansas anymore.

    It is a perfectly spontaneous transition, without warning.

    Other times, there may be a chill in the air and a patch of fog, often at night, when things start getting a little weird.



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    Post by hobbit Sat May 22, 2021 8:25 am

    Dreaming.

    The "transition" is a trip onto 5D which is in exactly the same location as 3D.

    It's just a jump to the left.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs

    I suppose the one who "has to keep control" would be Footman?
    Does He resemble the one in the video?



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    Post by dan Sat May 22, 2021 8:40 am

    Nice try, hobbit, but I don’t imagine that the person on the street will be able to buy into that, without experiencing it themselves.

    Your use of dimensional terminology may only increase the confusion.
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    Post by hobbit Sat May 22, 2021 8:49 am

    dan wrote:Nice try, hobbit, but I don’t imagine that the person on the street will be able to buy into that, without experiencing it themselves.  

    Your use of dimensional terminology may only increase the confusion.  

    They "experience" it when they dream.

    You turn 90 degrees to lay flat, then plug into the super high frequency charging point , whilst the vehicle is on charge Your 5D eternal self trips onto 5D, where it downloads and picks up any required information.

    Thomas Townsend Brown had His wife and daughter by his side to write down ( short hand) what He PICKED UP AS REQUIRED INFORMATION)

    You don't have much time as the information is stored in 5D.

    Those who have perfected this such as Tesla are thought of as geniuses, they are not, they are simply utilising their potential/s.


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    Post by dan Sat May 22, 2021 9:06 am

    1500z........

    I don’t doubt that various technologies can be used to generate or reinforce placebo/experimenter effects.  

    This has certainly happened with Jim Woodward and Joe Firmage...... both in the Sarfatti/Pandolfi orbit.

    What we end up with are E&M gyros in rattling Faraday cages.

    With more than a century of experimentation, and tens of millions of dollars behind us, this is where we still are.


    1920..........

    In the only portal incidents we are aware of, there is an observer on this side.  

    Perhaps, it is also necessary for there to be an observer on the other side, as well.  

    One suggestion is that is we, on this side, who actively maintain our 3D illusion.  

    It would only take some weak subversion from the other side to break through, or to simply to open the doors or our perception.  

    This could done through the direct manipulation of our mental barriers.  


    2100........

    So, what happens to our body in this process?

    It could be that our body is disentangled from one side, and entangled with the other side.  

    Could the process be reversed?  

    Previously, I suggested that there may be time constraints on this process....... the longer the time interval, the harder it is to reverse.

    Would there be additional difficulties if more than one person is involved in such a transition?

    I would not venture an opinion, at this point. It could be more or less difficult....... depending on various considerations.



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    Post by Cyrellys Sat May 22, 2021 6:09 pm

    dan wrote:My goodness, this is the first time that hobbit has asked me a question.  

    The Eschaton is when most of us will choose to move to the other side so as to return to the Source.

    The way to remain on this side will be to move off the grid, and become a tree 🌲 hugger.

    Collectively, we will move from the Omega back to the Alpha, as if in a time machine, via ‘portals’ of various sorts.

    Tree hugging 🤗 will be one of the many portals available.  

    And you’re right, hobbit, there will be no vaccines 💉 on the other side.



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    You cannot "return to Source".

    This guess or assumption exhibits the lack of understanding the superstructure.

    Source is everything.  Pure Creative Consciousness organized coherently into a form that predates what we call Universe.

    It is the Logos, the Word, Truth, pure divinity expressed as Conscious Reality/Fabric within which the Universe as we know it is assembled, in one sense.  In another sense it is All Being.

    You are a product of it, and an interconnected integral part of it.  You are more coherent than other parts with your own unique creative and communicative consciousness abilities.

    Everything is connected.  

    Destroy any part; destroy thyself.

    Mind is not limited by time, space, or place. 

    ...What one does or does not understand in any given moment is nothing more than the current state of development of the self - BEING (coherency), the interconnection coherency with other parts/aspects, and Creative Consciousness Skills.  

    Humans are but one among many 'expressions'.  You live in a wealth of life because Source dreamed brightly and Life bloomed.  

    Not all is peaches and cream.  But individualism interconnected gives ability far beyond hive minds.  Free Will was necessary to assure individualism.  Individualism is not solitary. 

    If you wish to speak with SOURCE, you have only to think, to reason, to dream.  Open thy mouth and speak and you are heard....you are of the fabric, part of the fabric, and a creative force within the fabric.  

    Source is the fabric.  The Pursuit of All Being is communion with the fabric; with SOURCE.  Light encoded consciousness matrix.  It's all conscious.

    Destroy any part; destroy thyself.

    95% Depopulation (agenda, act, product) is a crime against humanity.  It is a 'crime' against the Cosmic.  It is a crime against Source.

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    Post by dan Sat May 22, 2021 6:52 pm

    Cyrellys,

    It’s nice to have you stop by at your forum.  It has been too long.  

    I trust that you and your family are doing well.  

    I certainly can’t prove that the small world is correct.  

    Virtually by definition, the best possible world hypothesis is the most hopeful cosmology that we can believe.  

    If the world is not quantitatively limited, then it would be incomprehensible to us.  

    Furthermore, God is not alien to us.  

    We can and will, each and every one of us, become one with the One.  

    This is our inevitable destiny.  

    This cosmic Communion could happen tomorrow.  

    It will happen at the best possible time....... as soon as possible.  

    Yes, Source is Everything, and so are we.  

    That we are in any way separate or alienated from Source is only an illusion to allow us to reach our full potential.  

    Our full potential is latent within us, but temporarily hidden from us.

    All spiritual traditions speak of the Kingdom within us.  

    This can and will be revealed to us, instantaneously.  

    We all believe that everything is interconnected.

    All traditions our separation is illusory.

    Science shows us this connection through cosmic entanglement.

    The World Wide Web is our best manifestation of the cosmic entanglement.

    The wedding feast has been laid out for us. We merely have to accept the invitation.



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    Post by GSB Sat May 22, 2021 8:44 pm

    Count Sen. Martin Heinrich among those who think there's something otherworldly about the UFO sightings in our skies ... he says the technology is too advanced for humans.



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    Post by GSB Sun May 23, 2021 6:44 am

    Theoretical physicist Chiara Marletto: ‘The universal constructor could revolutionise civilisation’

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/22/theoretical-physicist-chiara-marletto-the-universal-constructor-could-revolutionise-civilisation

    You argue against reductionism, the idea that everything in the universe can be reduced to the dynamics of elementary particles. Is there any danger of the supernatural creeping into an anti-reductionist conception of things?

    I think there’s this misconception that the only way to remove the supernatural from our explanations is to reduce everything to microscopic dynamical laws and initial conditions. That is simply one possible level of explanation. But there are other things that are also explainable in scientific terms, without appealing to the supernatural, but they can’t be reduced to that level of explanation. An example is the laws of computation: they aren’t microscopic laws of motion, but they are compatible with them. They’re not saying that computers are magic: they are physical laws that capture some phenomena in nature, at a different explanatory level. If you stick solely to microscopic laws, you will miss those regularities in nature that allow for classical and quantum computers.


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    Post by dan Sun May 23, 2021 9:00 am

    Poor Chiara,

    She’s not recognizing the difference between strong and weak emergence or between strong and weak AI.  

    Computers and quantum computers are only weakly emergent.

    Anyway, I don’t believe in upward emergence. I believe in downward emergence. Everything emerges from persons, and, ultimately from the I Am.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sun May 23, 2021 10:27 am

    To those who suggest that the Consigliere is advising on the hit list of UFO researchers, he is merely advising on philosophy and those who might contribute to the broader perspective.

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    Post by hobbit Sun May 23, 2021 12:44 pm

    GSB wrote:Count Sen. Martin Heinrich among those who think there's something otherworldly about the UFO sightings in our skies ... he says the technology is too advanced for humans.



    Three men in a boat.

    Sir William Stephenson.
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    Red hair youngster.

    First two ask red head what he would do if they could move Him in time.
    he replies that He would go back and save his sister from drowning in their pool.

    We knew You would say that, but what if You had to watch her drown, could You do that?
    He thought about that and replied Yes, You mean I would have to.

    Yes was the reply, and You did.

    Maybe?, what is been observed are time machines?

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    Post by dan Sun May 23, 2021 6:23 pm

    Is chick 🐣 now the consigliere?

    We are heading out to Lake Michigan on the train 🚂.
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    Post by GSB Mon May 24, 2021 10:56 am

    Time Travel without Regrets

    https://physics.aps.org/story/v27/st5#:~:text=In%201991%2C%20Oxford%20University%20physicist,the%20interaction%20for%20the%20immediate

    To see how this condition works, imagine a quantum particle having states labeled 0 and 1. It travels around a CTC [closed time-like curve] and, on its return, interacts with an “external” particle in such a way that 0 becomes 1 and 1 becomes 0. Such a particle presents a quantum grandfather paradox: when it comes back around the loop, it flips its former self to the opposite state. However, Deutsch showed that consistency is possible if the particle is in a superposition–a state that is equal parts 0 and 1. The interaction exchanges the 0 and the 1, but the state overall remains unchanged. For this to work, the external particle must also be in a superposition that flips back and forth.

    The paradox is avoided, but a difficulty arises if the external particle is measured. Then it cannot remain in a superposition but must become definitely either 0 or 1–which means that the CTC particle cannot remain in a superposition, either. To preserve consistency, Deutsch argued that the CTC particle must exist in two parallel universes–the “1-universe” and the “0-universe”–and continually switch between them, so that no contradiction occurs in either one.


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    Post by Cyrellys Mon May 24, 2021 12:52 pm

    GSB wrote:Theoretical physicist Chiara Marletto: ‘The universal constructor could revolutionise civilisation’

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/22/theoretical-physicist-chiara-marletto-the-universal-constructor-could-revolutionise-civilisation

    You argue against reductionism, the idea that everything in the universe can be reduced to the dynamics of elementary particles. Is there any danger of the supernatural creeping into an anti-reductionist conception of things?

    I think there’s this misconception that the only way to remove the supernatural from our explanations is to reduce everything to microscopic dynamical laws and initial conditions. That is simply one possible level of explanation. But there are other things that are also explainable in scientific terms, without appealing to the supernatural, but they can’t be reduced to that level of explanation. An example is the laws of computation: they aren’t microscopic laws of motion, but they are compatible with them. They’re not saying that computers are magic: they are physical laws that capture some phenomena in nature, at a different explanatory level. If you stick solely to microscopic laws, you will miss those regularities in nature that allow for classical and quantum computers.


    Exactly. Some dynamical constructs, conditions, and patterns of expression only discernable with high population of connective points. In other words you will never discern those via reductionism.

    Many macrocosm issues require a world with large population to attend to. Population reduction takes your world out of that game and keeps you in the proverbial stone age because the consciousness matrix structure is inadequate to those kinds of tasks.


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    Post by GSB Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 am

    The Best Possible Theory (BPT)

    Constructor theory seeks to express all fundamental scientific theories
    in terms of a dichotomy between possible and impossible physical
    transformations – those that can be caused to happen and those that
    cannot. This is a departure from the prevailing conception of
    fundamental physics which is to predict what will happen from initial
    conditions and laws of motion.


    One might also generalize this to mental states (perceptions, conscious awareness): those that can be caused to happen and those that cannot.


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    Post by hobbit Tue May 25, 2021 11:16 am

    Is this the end time.

    Trouble is those believers in a position to try and enable such, may now have the means to actuate such.

    In other words they are religious nutters, their indoctrinated belief system driving them to full fill what they believe.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue May 25, 2021 11:35 am

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    Post by hobbit Tue May 25, 2021 12:26 pm

    Smelly one,

    The ley lines lead to the nine gods of the underworld.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_council9.htm#top


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 27, 2021 4:16 pm

    hobbit wrote:Smelly one,

    The ley lines lead to the nine gods of the underworld.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_council9.htm#top


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    Nod.

    I have a tea party with them every Tuesday.

    One helluva a scene.
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    Post by hobbit Fri May 28, 2021 12:35 am

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:
    hobbit wrote:Smelly one,

    The ley lines lead to the nine gods of the underworld.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_council9.htm#top


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    Nod.

    I have a tea party with them every Tuesday.

    One helluva a scene.

    Excellent,

    Are you the mad hatter?

    Remember what the dormouse said.



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