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First topic message reminder :

We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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There was a film about a bunch of Loons living in an Asylum. I think it was called, "Dan Smith's Looney Mind Forum."

Foot Mann wrote:There was a film about a bunch of Loons living in an Asylum. I think it was called, "Dan Smith's Looney Mind Forum."

You doth protest too much, methinks.

You are the insincere overactor in the play within a play.

Your inability to be authentic is simply your muppet script.

Do you know Hamlet muppet?

Of course you don't little boy.

You are just an NPC, part of the scenery.

The true actors strut upon the stage.

You are totally out of your depth here little boy.

I know, you just wanna be one of the loons in your secret heart.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh and listen.

The Navy has the data:

And New Line and HBO Max have the stories:

https://deadline.com/2021/05/new-line-hbo-max-ufo-film-script-leslie-kean-book-1234756820/

EXCLUSIVE: New Line and HBO Max and producer Laura Bickford have teamed up to frame a movie around fact-based modern government investigations into UFO’s. Bryce Kass has penned the script.

Based on investigative reporter Leslie Kean’s journey while investigating and covering unexplained aerial phenomena for over many years, the movie will also tell the story of Luis Elizondo while he was the head of the Pentagon Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and Christopher Mellon, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, who helped bring the previously secret Pentagon program and its official UFO videos to light in 2017.

1410z........

When it comes to atoms and stars, chick is mildly skeptical 🤨.  

We are able to make remarkably consistent statements and predictions about both.  

Technologies based on atomic physics are the cornerstone of contemporary life.  

There is a great deal of overlap between atomic physics and astronomy...... offering much mutual support.  

This is all well and good , but........

Science has virtually nothing to say about us...... aside from the fact that we exist.  

Yes, we are the chroniclers of the Cosmos....... but so what...... so nothing, says science.  

Something is not quite computing.  

Who brought who into existence?  

We the World, or the World....us?

And what exactly is the ontological status of an unobserved world?  

Who selected whom?  Did the world select us, or did we select the world?

The chances of a (multi-cellular) life bearing universe coming into existence at random are about one in 10^500.  

The chance of your being killed by lightning are about one in 10^4.   

There are 10^14 grains of sand in Miami Beach .  

If the Earth were composed of sand, it would contain, very roughly, (10^(4+3+3+1))^3 ~= 10^33 grains.  

There are about 10^80 atoms in the visible universe.  

From the scientific perspective there are 10^500 unobservable universes for every one that is observable.  

Yet, as John Wheeler has stated....... there are no unobservable phenomena....... this just according to the Quantum observer problem.  

Somebody is pulling somebody’s leg.


1810..........

Someone is cooking the books.  

In retrospect, it’s usually not difficult to distinguish dream from reality.  

In prospect, it’s a different matter.  

I’m just saying that, when it comes to our 10^10 collective conscious and unconsciousnesses, it wouldn’t take a whole lot of synergy to create atom bombs and Mt Everest.  

And who is to say that we are not the I Am having a multiple personality illusion.  

If I were a gambling person, I would not discount the latter possibility.  

I mean, anything is likely to be much more probable than one in 10^500.  

Most of us are not accustomed to gambling with our ontologies.  

But all you have to do is understand that objectivity is only ever a relative fact....... relative to what, is hard to say.

I’m just waiting for the first wing-suiter to take the leap off of Everest.  That may help to put things in a little better perspective for us.  

Solving the Riemann problem would be a much greater feat than climbing Everest.  Where is the objectivity there?  

Who is to say how many more surprises science and technology have in store for us?  

If we can fly a wing suit off of Everest, might our next challenge not be Monad-nock or bust?  

All in a days work.  

With the global increase in psychedelic tripping, I suspect that we are already well on the way to the summit........ just ask Chivo.  

It could be that Chivo has already made it to the summit.  BFD , he would be the first to say.  

Well, how about...... one small step for a person?  

It is very hard to imagine that psychedelics will not play an essential role in the opening of the portals.  

Or that the opening of the portals will not be the closing chapter of our Metanarrative....... of our Errand into the Wilderness.  

Who are we...... from whence do we come, and whither do we go?  

Just maybe, we’re about to find out.  

Whatever we find out, I guarantee that it will be a package deal..... that it will all then make sense.  

I guarantee that life is not just going to make a little bit of sense.  

It’s gonna be an all or nothing deal.


2000........

So how would mental synergy work?  

The more apt question is...... how does it appear to not be working?

However, it is easy to suppose that each of our egos are perfectly private..... even hermetically sealed.  

It is very seldom that any of us experience a clear case of mental telepathy.  

Were it any different, our mental radio would be noisy indeed...... we would inhabit a world of boom boxes.  

However, it is very natural for us to suppose that our sensory qualia are widely shared...... although they may be entirely subjective.  We have no scientific proof to the contrary.  

The fact that we are social animals, and able to communicate our thoughts, often with reasonable success, indicates a common ground for our minds.  

Isn’t the objectivity of the world our principal common ground?  

Qualitative is often contrasted with quantitative...... the one subjective and the other objective.

Science doesn’t deal with color, but with wavelengths of light.  


2230............

As an immaterialist, I don’t believe in material objects...... be they atoms or stars.  

What about numbers?

Are they Platonic objects?  Many mathematicians hold this view.  

Surprisingly little has been written on the phenomenology of mathematics.  

However, one topic stands out....... what is it that constitutes a mathematical proof?  

I don’t think that any mathematician has claimed that the criteria of what constitutes a proof can be objectified.

There has always been a strongly consensual aspect of mathematical proof.  

But, still, aren’t there mathematical objects?  

Well, ok, take infinity........ is it an object or not?  

It is a conceptual tool that is useful in many mathematical endeavors.  

Amongst constructivists, its use is suspect, if not illegitimate.  

One of the most important results in mathematics concerns its incompleteness.  

The incompleteness theorem depends essentially on the meaning of a constructed verbal statement.  

Husserl generalized this to the notion of mathematical intuition, taking us beyond any purely logical form of reasoning.  

Think of Ramanujan.  



(cont........)

In retrospect, it’s usually not difficult to distinguish dream from reality.

In prospect, it’s a different matter.


"We live inside a dream."

1720z........

Well, I was wrong about the lack of phenomenology in mathematics.  

This is what Intuitionism is supposed to be about, which is a subdivision of mathematics.  

Mathematicians group themselves into Platonists and constructivists/intuitionists.  

One problem I have with constructivism is that it takes time too seriously.  

It also tends to discount inter-subjectivism...... a closely related view.  

Intuitionism about ethics is hardly disputed....... nor about aesthetics, of course.  

What is science to make of our intuitive sense?  

Is intuition computable?  

We might as well ask if taste is computable.  

Well, is it random or what?  

I would say this about our intuition....... it strives for holism and coherence...... particularly with respect to agape...... inter-subjective agape.

This may be particularly true in the spiritual dimension.  

But then what do we make of the divisiveness of religion?

Sectarianism is divisiveness, almost by definition.  

What is the difference between the prophetic and mathematical views of time?  

Is the Riemann hypothesis neither true nor false...... in Eternity?  

Does God both exist and not exist in Eternity?

We love to choose sides, and then root, root, root for the home team.  

It gives us a feeling of belonging....... of family.  

This is all about tribalism and territoriality.  

Can we not be social, without being antisocial?  

What does this say about intuition and inter-subjectivity?

We do need to know where we stand with regard to others.  

We do need our personal identity.  

Won’t we be losing that identity on our way to the Monad?  

Will there not always be competition..... certainly for mates?  

But there is a strong sense in which we will be mated to the Monad.  

That is just the wedding feast in the sky .  

This is our tender trap 🪤.  

Somehow, agape will overcome all obstacles.  

What comes down, must go up.  All ye, all ye, infree.  

Ethics and aesthetics will pull us home ...... kicking and screaming.  

This is what intuition is all about.  

Is donny on the wrong side of history?  

No, in some strong sense, donny is History.  

All this friction is merely to triangulate us to our nearest portal...... as we construct the rainbow sorbet.  

Can the Monad not be sabotaged?  Well, it’s a little bit like sabotaging the tar baby .  

The more you resist, the harder you fall.  


1940........

If mathematicians have done anything, they have proved that intuition is not computable.  

Maybe it’s quantum computable?  

Is there not a quantum aperture?  

Well, the aperture problem is bit like the homunculus problem.  

Who watches the watcher?  

Along with the portal, there has to be a subject.  

The Quantum is how the Ouroboros bites its tail...... how the microcosm is everywhere and nowhere.  

Entanglement doesn’t compute, because it is total...... it already includes every computer.  

Are we not entangled with the future?  

I’m sure we are, but the encryption is real tough.  

By the time we hack the future encryption, we’ll already be home.  

That is one of the many time fuses on the future.  

Every portal is a time fuse..... in that respect.  

Portals are just about hacking the future...... we have met the future, and it is ours. The illusion of time is already broken in some dimensions. Dimensions are being broken....... I’m sure...... as we speak.

Is there not tribalism on the other side?

Sure...... it’s the tribalism of final participation.



(cont.......)

1750z........

The basic premise behind the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH) is immaterialism/idealism....... the world is a mental construct.  

The further assumption is that it is a construct of persons rather than of atoms...... that we are the coCreators.  

A corollary is that, if our world is personal, it must be quantitatively finite.  

This finiteness is meant particularly in terms of space and time.  

And there would also be a finiteness in terms of the number of persons.  

We need to be able to appeal to each other as fellow citizens.  

Couldn’t we still be soulmates, even if there were an infinite number of us?  

The fact that there is only a finite degree of separation between us is important.  

With a infinity of us, there would be federations of federations, ad infinitum.  

The question of best possible for whom....... becomes totally abstract.  

There would be no sense of recourse....... how would one ever fight city hall?

There would be no sense of kinship between clans that were infinitely removed from one another.  

With infinite space and numbers, there would also be an infinite amount of time.  

There could be no Metanarrative........ this would be the main problem.  

There would be no definable purpose....... there could be no atonement...... no possibility of being one with the One.  

Yes, we could still maintain small, personal groups.  

But there would be no basis for coherence, beyond the community.  

What is to hold a community together, if there is immigration to the other side of the Multiverse?  There would always be a potential infinity of better worlds to inhabit.  There could be no common reference.  

And what would be the point of other worlds if there could be no interaction between them?  


1930..........

The real issue I’m attempting to address is the question of portals.  

The particular concern is their ‘physical’ traverse.  

We all agree that we experience altered states of consciousness.  

The point with immaterialism is that the so-called ‘physical’ world is just another state of consciousness.  

However, no one can argue that it’s not a very special state.  

Our entanglement with biology/mortality is what’s so special.  

And it can be argued that biology and portals simply don’t mix.

But what’s the matter with saying that we just don’t take our biology with us?  

All we need is broomstick 🧹, and we can have all the witches sabbaths we could want.  

Bodily resurrection is a big thing with Christians, for instance.  

However, they are at pains to point out that the body in question is the ‘glorified’ body, which does not sound biological.  

But this glorification is meant to be a transubtantantion.  

In other words, one does not leave one’s body behind to rot.  

Our carbon footprint at resurrection is minimal.  

Are Christians just being squeamish?  

Can’t we all just go Jonestown style....... drink the Kool-Aid?  

Or we just go on an OBE, and decide not to return.  All our tree hugging cousins will be out of town for the duration.  

Well, the tree huggers would definitely want stay beyond any city limits, indefinitely.  There would be no temptation to cheat.  

Was this too easy?  

Is the portal problem all gone?  

Having the Millennium, with drastically reduced fertility, was mainly to avoid this mega-recycling problem.  

Ok, then, no problem.  

Nonetheless, there are stories of bodily abductions, etc.  

So we don’t need any fancy new, industrial strength, portals....... other than the ones we already have?  I guess not.  

This does not account for teleportation, or Joe’s excursion to Brazil.

How can you put a simulacrum in the calaboose?

I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s a game stopper.



(cont.........)

"And what would be the point of other worlds if there could be no interaction between them?"

Mellon: "When you go to the zoo you don't talk to the animals." Or do you? ;-)

1230z.........

A phrase that has always intrigued me........ the hypostasis of the Archons.......

I took it to be somehow related to incarnation...... perhaps also related to incarceration.......

I consider myself a gnostic, as compared to an agnostic.  

However, the Gnostics were fundamentally dualistic, which I, decidedly, am not.  

The Gnostics abhorred matter...... they didn’t like atoms , I guess.  

Being a holist, I’m certainly not an atomist.  

I’m guessing that the Princess is a Gnostic, while the chick is a gnostic....... a pretty big difference.  

What I think the Gnostics got right.........

Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.

Hey, I’m not a cherry picker, now, am I?

And here’s another thing....... I don’t believe in repentance; I believe in redemption.

What is redemption?  

Repentance suggests that we can save ourselves....... individually.  

Redemption is more of a communal act...... ultimately, we come to the Monad as a whole....... it’s kinda like a package deal.  

And there are also some related terms......... resurrection, glorification, transubstantiation.  

The basic idea behind Gnosticism is that God would not deign to get her hands dirty...... so she had Jesus do her dirty work.  

Well, they don’t quite put it in these terms, but you get the idea.  

The Gnostics were anti Parmenides and Pythagoras...... my two Greek heroes.  

Gnosticism is still the main source of all heresy.  

If you want the Truth, you have to grab the flame , otherwise, you only get close enough to get burned.  

This is what Chivo was trying to tell us.  He just didn’t understand that there is more than one way to grab the flame .  

The Islamists are also Gnostics........ they go by the letter and not the Spirit.  


1420.........

As an aside, there is an operation afoot to liberate Sofiya...... but not in any crass sort of way.  


http://gnosis.org/gnintro.htm ...

All religious traditions acknowledge that the world is imperfect.

 Hmmm 🤨........

If you understand it correctly, you know that the best possible world is a heck of a lot better than anybody’s ‘perfect’ world.  

A perfect world is irredeemable.  The best possible world comes preredeemed.  



(cont........)

"listen to Your heart"

Or better listen to Your 5D self that resides in the heart portal location of Your 3D vehicle.

hobbit

Ok,

Listening to your heart is like listening to the Spirit of the Logos, rather than trying to read the letter.  

The Spirit of the Logos is the same as the Logos Spermatikos.  

With this Spirit, the microcosm equals the Cosmos...... then you are at one with the One.

The blame for the world’s failings lies not with humans, but with the creator.

There’s nothing like passing the buck.  

The chick is where the buck stops ..... metaphorically and literally, sports fans.  

In a certain sense, it may therefore be true to say that all is God, for all consists of the substance of God. By the same token, it must also be recognized that many portions of the original divine essence have been projected so far from their source that they underwent unwholesome changes in the process.

Poor God...... she overreached...... she bit off more than she could chew.



(cont........)

Dan,

The thing is I can detect this spirit/ghost both in humans and in fact in all so called living entities.

I can also detect it as it travels about the planet, and surprise surprise the churches are located where lots of these spirits/ghosts all meet up.

The common shown so called heart magnetic field is rubbish, and it is far larger than normally shown.

Apart from our sub conscious equating six feet apart with six feet under  this is the primary reason for this crackpot stay six feet apart crap.

Our spirit/ghost heart fields meld together when We are close together and communicate.

It is all by field, the whole of creation is a combined outcome of the combined field inputs to the larger dominant field add infirnitum.

We sow the seeds and scatter the good seeds all around..

The churches had the monopoly upon this combining of information, as do the mosques( they have satellite communication to inform them the precise timing for their prayers multiple times a day)

This world can be whatever is desired IF enough input into the planets heart centred field is delivered.


https://www.chi.is/ancient-wisdom-modern-cardiac-sciences/?mc_cid=7ac3c95c44&mc_eid=ae988502f4

hobbit

Tremendous link Hobbit - a few key take aways (there are many golden nuggets in this published paper):

"The heart generates a series of electromagnetic pulses in which the time interval between each beat varies in a complex manner. These pulsing waves of electromagnetic energy give rise to interference patterns when they interact with magnetically polarizable tissues and substances [65]. There is evidence to suggest an energetic field connection is formed among individuals in groups through which communication among all the group members can occur simultaneously. In other words, there may well be a “group field” that connects all the members [66]. Sociologist Raymond Bradley, in collaboration with neuroscientist Karl Pribram, developed a theory of social communication to explain the patterns of social organization common to most groups, independent of size, culture, degree of formal organization, length of existence or member characteristics [67]."

Poor hobbit........

This world can be whatever is desired IF enough input into the planets heart centred field is delivered.

The world is not wanting for anything.

The world is not broken. We do not need to fix it.  

We do not need any grand schemes to fix the world.

All that’s left for us is the realization that this always has been, and always will be the best possible world.  

That realization will bring about the completion of our Metanarrative..... of our sojourn into the Wilderness.  

That profound realization will bring the cosmic harmonization to its preordained fulfillment.



(cont.......)

What they all miss , due to been blind to it's existence is consciousness.

The so called electromagnetic field is a consequence of the consciousness field.

You only have to watch shoals of fish or flocks of birds to see the field communications taking place.

It is this consciousness field that enables creation to occur in the designed embedded information field contained in the sperm, as such.

The background matrix ( which is detectable) is akin to the scaffolding that all creation takes place upon, at which is the dominant cross that creates the two hemispheres of polarity and spin , looking down or up at the cross reveals the swastika where the straight lines are depicted that enable the polygon framework that consciousness trips about upon that gives the illusion of circles, it is all built upon dead straight lines.

The god scarab beetle knows this, and follows a dead straight line until it meets another line at ninety degrees to the one it is following where it digs a hole and buried the dung containing its egg.

Basically this is what the sun does.


hobbit

dan wrote:Poor hobbit........

This world can be whatever is desired IF enough input into the planets heart centred field is delivered.

The world is not wanting for anything.

The world is not broken. We do not need to fix it.  

We do not need any grand schemes to fix the world.

All that’s left for us is the realization that this always has been, and always will be the best possible world.  

That realization will bring about the completion of our Metanarrative..... of our sojourn into the Wilderness.  



(cont.......)

I never said the world wanted anything, or it was broke or needed fixing, stop assigning false narrative towards poor little hobbit.

There is a global information series of fear based lies been inputted into the human population right now that will determine outcomes.

This system needs to be be comprehended so that it is recognised, knowledge of how collective information is passed onto larger field systems needs to be exposed to defeat the fear based lunatics who are operating this present menticide operation.

I had hoped You could be that special wordsmith that could convey this, but it appears not so.

Your ego is stopping it.


Hobbit

Oh, dear,

The chick is broken, but maybe hobbit can fix it.

And you say that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.  

And, yes, perhaps that is the only thing we can agree upon, at this point.  

All you have to do is understand that the best possible outcome has already been determined....... in Eternity.

You are afraid of the liars.

Fear not...... the liars are all playing their little parts.



(cont.......)

dan wrote:Oh, dear,

The chick is broken, but maybe hobbit can fix it.  

Know thyself, fix thyself.

"Then, as now, our body is the product of our own thoughts"
Jacob Boehme

The planet is a product, a consequence. of the combined thoughts of it's inhabitants.

Poor hobbit

1810z.........

The planet is a product, a consequence. of the combined thoughts of it's inhabitants.

Again, we are in total agreement....... with one slight caveat.  

This best possible planet, along with its best possible history and its best possible future is the best possible combination of all the thoughts we’ve ever had.

I’m just attempting to verbalize this combination, and you are trying to help me do that.  

I thank you for that.  


2140.........

I am attempting to make sense of this article....... https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2020/03/17/transmutation-or-transubstantiation-sergius-bulgakov-and-herbert-mccabe-on-the-holy-eucharist/

And then there is this....... https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2018/12/12/eschatological-transubstantiation/



(cont........)

Know thyself.
Scale.
Know the planet.

Fear and trauma contract the consciousness field to protect the heart.

Scale.

What happens in compression?

Heat.

When the field compresses into the heart region it leaves the rest of the body open to attack.

the planet is a living entity.

I have never seen so many in fear, and that fear is been rolled out in wave like fashion ( menticide) thus when the fear rises again it will compound ( compress ) ever more.

Low life skum are trying to kill of the lived ( spell that backwards).

hobbit

https://religionnews.com/2021/05/18/alien-life-looks-more-and-more-likely-catholics-are-ready/

Foresaperire wrote:https://religionnews.com/2021/05/18/alien-life-looks-more-and-more-likely-catholics-are-ready/

Check who operates all the telescopes and have for centuries.

hobbit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peyto_Gateway_-_St._Giles_Church,_Chesterton.jpg

Some years ago much to My surprise I noted this, and found it was EXACTLY WHERE A PORTAL DOORWAY SHOULD BE.

It has connections to this, which was an observatory for the jesuits before been converted to a windmill, which has connections to Rhode Island tower.

http://www.chestertonwindmill.co.uk/history.htm#:~:text=The%20windmill%20is%20Chesterton%27s%20most%20famous%20landmark%2C%20standing,he%20probably%20helped%20with%20the%20windmill%20as%20well.

I have been in that windmill and it is brilliantly located.

I wonder what the jesuits are so keen to observe?


hobbit

2220z........

I’m looking at...... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plotinus/#ThreFundPrinPlotMeta

His three principles are the One, the intellect and the soul.  

I just stick with the One or the I Am........ everything pretty much follows from that.  

We are always at one with the One........ but it is easy to forget, in all of the hubbub.  

Do we really need a portal to get back to the cosmic Self?  

The portal of portals is agape....... and agape is just the realization that this is the BPW.  

Portals can be a big distraction...... but something like that may be necessary to bring the Metanarrative to a resolution.  

Presuming the cosmic harmony, there does need to be some orchestration.  The harmony does need to be manifest.  

Evidently, we have something rather than nothing...... and, given something, it pretty much has to be the best possible something, and we are its agents.  

The I Am is the agency of all agents.  

That agency is agape.  

The One is synonymous with the Good.  

The One necessarily is the intellect and the soul...... whatever they might be.  

Historically, atomism is just a spinoff of monadology.

What are atoms, if they are not microcosmically potentiated, in some fashion?

We just need something to round off the BPW.  

I haven’t been able to think of anything better than a portal.  

Portals may be two sided....... one side entangles, and the other side disentangles.  

I’m not quite sure how that works, but you get the idea.  

When you go through a portal, you start disentangling.  

Your time on the other side is limited, if you intend to return in some recognizable fashion.  

There is a firewall on the way to the Monad...... which is pretty much a naked singularity.  

It doesn’t sound very personal.  

Perhaps the naked singularity is just the cosmic soul...... the ground of all personhood....... of all being.  

Persons act as the electrons around the cosmic nucleus.  


0300........

Perhaps there does have to be a ground of Being.



(cont........)