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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:06 pm

    This world is literally a factory farm for a few money/power hungry families.

    Imagine all the shit they did, screwing over people, creating monopolies and taking advantage of the muppets’ addiction to oil, war, and fear.

    Evil geniuses have positioned themselves at the top of the pyramid.

    But the pyramid is a house of cards.

    Their day is coming.

    No one is immortal.

    Memento Mori.

    Factory farms are one of the uglier creations humans have created.

    #EatMoreVeggies

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    Post by U Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:06 pm

    Indeed, what goes around comes around eh Ackypoo!

    Give em just enough rope.

    The gods are having a field day!

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    Post by Cuan Scott Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:35 pm

    Ack wrote:

    Factory farms are one of the uglier creations humans have created.

    #EatMoreVeggies

    The Ack man is a wise dude..

    A while back I did a little trek through times past for those who followed Ack's advice and ate more veggies and often restricted or abstained from consuming other little beings that we share the world with.

    There is something in it one suspects Wink

    Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Rumi, Da Vinci, Voltaire, Blake, Shakespeare, George Bernard Shaw, Emerson, Lord Byron, Van Gogh, Gaudi, Gandhi, Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla.. seems they all ate more veggies  Smile

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:30 pm

    Hehehe!

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    Post by dan Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:52 pm

    Ack & co,  

    Sorry, I am not into economics. That was my dad.  

    My son and I are both perturbed by the GameStop antics.  They do not bode well for the underlying fundamentals of the market.

    A recent exchange with a skeptic.......
    Very early on, Ron said...... ‘yes, Dan, we have a phenomenology problem.’

    That was the only thing he has ever admitted to me.

    Are you going to say that even that much was disinformation?  

    As you know, disinformation is a deliberate combination of both truth and falsehood.

    Ok, then, we have a partial phenomenology problem.  

    Isn’t that like being partly pregnant 🤰?  

    ..........


    Marjorie Greene is saying that there is something fishy 🐠 going on in the world.

    As a member of the Aquarium, I tend to agree.

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    Post by Foresaperire Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:50 pm

    dan wrote:

    Marjorie Greene is saying that there is something fishy 🐠 going on in the world.  

    As a member of the Aquarium, I tend to agree.  

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    Dan aka Chicken Little is now hereby known as "Dory" or
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    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Spring-Journey-Source-Consciousness/dp/0393542017/ref=nodl_

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:14 am

    dan wrote:Ack & co,  

    Sorry, I am not into economics. That was my dad.  

    My son and I are both perturbed by the GameStop antics.  They do not bode well for the underlying fundamentals of the market.

    A recent exchange with a skeptic.......
    Very early on, Ron said...... ‘yes, Dan, we have a phenomenology problem.’

    That was the only thing he has ever admitted to me.

    Are you going to say that even that much was disinformation?  

    As you know, disinformation is a deliberate combination of both truth and falsehood.

    Ok, then, we have a partial phenomenology problem.  

    Isn’t that like being partly pregnant 🤰?  

    ..........


    Marjorie Greene is saying that there is something fishy 🐠 going on in the world.  

    As a member of the Aquarium, I tend to agree.  

    .

    I don’t need to listen to one idiot thing out of her mouth accept to note she is an idiot.

    Many of those screaming about.

    The point of the GameStop event is that the stock market is corrupt and being gamed by the rich, now it’s the little man’s turn.

    The little man is exposing the corruption.

    The market is a fixed game.

    It’s not fair it’s only fixed for the rich.

    We will never change it unless we are rich and then we will be corrupted like the rich.

    Quite a clever way to destroy muppets.

    Milton Friedman was a liar and a fraud and corrupted our system even worse.



    Talking about money, we appear to be predisposed to quantity.

    Writing emerged to track commerce.

    Most cultures have a similar pattern.

    The age of the gods.

    The age of the heroes.

    The democratic age of the people, which sees a decline.

    Then a disintegration.

    4 seasons for every culture.

    We have set biological cycles.

    Why would civilization be any different?

    A super organism with a predetermined life that can live about 1000 years.

    Idealism leads to the pragmatism of industry by the numbers.

    The reign of numbers brought a focus on quantity, not quality.

    Quality is worth the most though, but cheap production creates an unnatural quantity.

    That’s interesting.

    We are moving toward an Eschaton says the mystic tradition.

    We now have an integral consciousness unfolding.

    Syncretism occurs when an over abundance of ideas flood the culture.

    Looking for similarities.

    Leading to the mono myth.

    Essence vs. substance.

    Physics is degenerate.

    It focuses on quantity now and has lost its quality.

    Materia Secunda.

    There was an ontological shift in the 1700s.

    There was a shift to number and measure.

    Matter began to be perceived as number as measure.

    The monad reduced to discrete packets of energy.

    The Atomists rose again.

    Modernity saw matter as pure extension into space.

    The atomists destroyed the Greek world too.

    Science feeds the materialism of the masses.

    This leads to decadence and Eros taking over.

    All mystical meaning has been wrung out of matter and all we have left is the numbers.

    Matter as measure, yuk!

    Mr yuk is mean, mr yuk is green!

    Alchemy transmutes base matter.

    We have broken down.

    Tao as organizing principle.

    Maat.

    Quality and quantity rejoined = final participation.

    This loss of quality is what has fueled trump.

    He filled the gap.

    This is all very alchemical if you have done your studies.

    As above, so below.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:37 am

    1440z.........

    Yes, it’s never too late for Chivo to learn a new trick.  

    Now, all he has to do is appreciate Marjorie.  

    Marjorie represents the naive trumpsters.  

    She is the mascot of the cynical trumpsters.  

    chick 🐥 is also a naive trumpster, in that chick believes in the Trumpocalypse.  

    Well, ok, speaking on behalf of donny, Marjorie is our naïf.  

    And what do we make of the Avi Loeb phenomenon...... speaking of naïfs?  

    All that donny had to do was scratch the surface, and look what comes crawling out of the woodwork.  

    That we might need a new Q is the only tactical issue, here.  

    That Chivo doesn’t totally appreciate our best possible muppets is the only problem.  

    The BPMs are the canaries in the mine shaft.  

    The ‘global conspiracy’ is merely the shadow of the approaching Monad.  

    Q wanted to arrest the Monad....... arrest it’s approach.

    The ‘global conspiracy’ is the dawning of our final participation.  

    Yes, we are all wired up, and nowhere to go.

    Not to worry...... it’s all coming here.  

    We are ground zero for the falling of the sky 🌌........ Oumaumau is just a chip off the old block.  

    We are keeping our eye on Wired and Keith K.  

    Paranoia is our style.  Pronoia is our goal.  

    donny is such a big, blustery target that he is almost able to obscure the Monad.  

    What’s the movie 🍿 that should be our theme meme........?  

    Melancholia.  Chick’s fav.  

    One of my favorite sci-fi stories, as a child, was about the space eagle 🦅 returning to her hatching 🐣 egg....... which is the Earth...... and the Earth begins to knock ✊.   That’s pretty much it, in a nutshell 🌰.  

    And here we don’t even have a portal 🚪 to point to.  All we have is a very reluctant Princess 👸.  


    1650........

    So what keeps little chick 🐥 pecking away?

    It is that fact that dualism makes no sense.  

    All scientists agree with me on this score.......

    If you separate mind and matter, how can you ever get them to interact?

    The most likely possibility is quantum dualism, or quantum mind, eg. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-consciousness/  

    In other words, there is a quantum loophole in the material/physical world.  This is reminiscent of the strange loop of Hofstadter.  

    At the very least, we have a quantum mediated panpsychism.  

    In that case, which comes first....... is it mind or matter?  

    And don’t tell me that it is pratītyasamutpāda

    Once you have a cosmic mind, and mind contains all the qualities that are often associated with matter, what is left over?  

    The only thing left over is the mathematics.  

    And so we have Wigner’s unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics (UEM).  Is not mathematics just the hallmark of mind over matter?  

    That was the inescapable conclusion, five years after my Sophia encounter....... struggling with quantum dualism, from ‘77-‘81.  

    1981 is when I became mesmerized by Kit Williams’ Masquerade..... that was my rabbit 🐇 hole 🕳 into quantum monism.

    That is when I became an aficionado of the small world, and a somewhat reluctant eschatologist.  

    The ouroboric cosmology, the small world, personalism, the BPW, etc...... all came together into one gestalt.  I had no choice but to complete the circle right back to John 16 and Sophia of 1977.  

    Portals and Princesses are just the frosting 🧁 on the cake.

    But, yes, I kept my day job until the Spring of ‘92. That was when I had my close encounter on the shock trauma floor of the UMD hospital in Baltimore, gratis the Navy.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:42 am

    Chick wrote:Q wanted to arrest the Monad....... arrest it’s approach.

    That is true ^^^ when I think Dan has lost it, he comes back to life roaring.

    He seems to have the whole world in his hands.

    Yes yes Avi caught my attention.

    He saw something, he risked his whole career and I love that muppet for his courage.

    God damn does muppet courage move my heart.

    In the heart is the cause and end of dualism.

    I see the trumpets.

    I hear them.

    I know what they are.

    Egos last stand.

    Been there, done that.

    I lost Wink

    In losing myself, I gained it all.

    So I watch them with horror and in love.

    I know what’s on the other side of their fear.

    There are parts of the polis looking for a better way, bless their muppet hearts.

    And many losing their minds, which is necessary.

    Well, it takes heart too.

    In the dark night, you will find a column of fire 🔥

    The monad does not want to eat you.

    Your fear does.

    I only playfully hate the trumpet and believer.

    Marjorie is my mother you see, how’s that for personal.

    She embodies my mother’s irrational grip on her faith, which is not faith.

    It is fear.

    To watch her twist and squirm makes me deeply sad, but I know it’s necessary.

    To save the patient, the sickness must be exposed.

    The patient is flatlining on the table.

    I know what they are.

    I see them clearly.

    I ache for them.

    They are me.

    We is Me

    No one died for me.

    No one can live for me.

    When the trumpet realizes this, they will wake up.

    But I can’t reach them from here.

    So I turn myself inward.

    I must dwell here, in my fortress of solitude.

    And I am to wait.

    I am to wait for the birds to show up.

    Because they will.

    All looking for mama.

    The monster who eats all, is not the monad, it’s us!

    They will come and crash against my mountain like the flood once did.

    Trump is transparent to me.

    I see right though him.

    I see right through this world.

    I hold its beating heart.

    I love this sloppy mess.

    I love it with all my heart.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:22 am

    So what is the essence of the West?

    Around 1400 A.D. we discovered the infinite in that point in our art.

    Mona Lisa, the muse of infinite space.

    The space is empty to the west.

    An infinite empty container.

    Objects are creating their own spaces in the qualitative view.

    The metaphysical presupposition of space in the west is not an object making space, but is tracking the vector of an object moving through space.

    To infinity and beyond.

    Infinite space and motion is the Faustian genius.

    Your phone came from the metaphysic that this is an empty space.

    This is what the traditionalist hates.

    It wants to destroy that view.

    Change the metaphysical presuppositions of a culture and change happens.

    You can’t hide in the cavern with infinity happening.

    Come out of the old Arabian cavern, leave the dome.

    We are destined to face infinite space in the west.

    The individual participates with the species.

    What the traditionalist is appalled how modernity has lost sight of their essence.

    This is what drives Steve Bannon.

    The west has quantified people.

    The traditionalists are wrong, they act on a caricature of the west.

    The traditionalists want to go back to the dome world where motion is eliminated.


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    Post by Foresaperire Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:23 am

    'lil guppy had his coffee this morning...welcome back.  
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:47 am

    Well, as they say on the Canadian Pacific........ don’t make the dome your home.  

    We have tried to make this dome our home...... it is an almost perfect Vista Dome.  

    But, no, Malthus made sure that this dome...... any dome, would not be sustainable for us.

    Modernism became lost in space and time....... billions and billions!  

    Infinity beckoned...... we had our blue sky 🌌 dreams.  

    But then.........
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre  
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere  
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    Marjorie is our newfound innocence...... our babe in the woods.  

    The Marjories will pick up where Q left off.

    We have only to point ourselves in the right direction....... tie my bones to his back, turn our faces to West, and we’ll ride the prairie that we love the best.......

    Think of Q as the portal for the rest of us.



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    Post by Foresaperire Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:05 pm

    Biff's world almost worked out for Donald - Best Possible 'Stolen' World *(BPSW) or the *Donny World (DW) when creating a distinction for the BPW. We know how the story ends and the Biffs and Donalds of the world are entertainment on the other side.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:23 pm

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1500614769/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_ZQJ3KMPFMN4QH6YF1TQF?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:26 pm

    Foresaperire wrote:Biff's world almost worked out for Donald -  Best Possible 'Stolen' World *(BPSW) or the *Donny World (DW) when creating a distinction for the BPW.  We know how the story ends and the Biffs and Donalds of the world are entertainment on the other side.  




    Alright, that was a good one.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:28 pm

    dan wrote:Well, as they say on the Canadian Pacific........ don’t make the dome your home.  

    We have tried to make this dome our home...... it is an almost perfect Vista Dome.  

    But, no, Malthus made sure that this dome...... any dome, would not be sustainable for us.

    Modernism became lost in space and time....... billions and billions!  

    Infinity beckoned...... we had our blue sky 🌌 dreams.  

    But then.........
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre  
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere  
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    Marjorie is our newfound innocence...... our babe in the woods.  

    The Marjories will pick up where Q left off.

    We have only to point ourselves in the right direction....... tie my bones to his back, turn our faces to West, and we’ll ride the prairie that we love the best.......

    Think of Q as the portal for the rest of us.



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    One of your better posts.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:33 pm

    The flip from paranoia to pronoia is just not that big of a flip......... the quantum barrier, in that instance, is rather low.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:39 pm

    And just like that, the quality and clarity has increased.

    Hey, this band might be able to play yet.

    But enough of the trumpets for awhile.

    Kinda funny how the revelation book said the trumpets would sound.

    Yah, like it was kinda predetermined like.

    You know that feeling on a carousel.

    Or right after you go weightless and you lose your cookies?

    That.

    But not to fret.

    My wife is headin out to get me a whopper with cheese.

    I’m gonna feast like a Burger 🍔 King 🤴
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:52 pm

    Well, chick is feeling a bit empowered by donny’s newfound silence.  

    All we have to do is corral one of the Marjories....... head one of them out of the herd, just long enough to do a Metanarrative 101.  

    I’m thinking that this possibility is hoving into view.

    Then the trick will be to make a connection back to the Princess 👸.  

    The word among senior Republicans is how to wrest the party away from the personality cult of one person.  

    Being a personalist, this maneuver is a bit more delicate....... it would include discussion of the (Ante) christ.  

    Are we to that point, yet?  

    The bridge here is to find out what, if anything, Q has had to say about UFO 🛸’s.  

    Come to think of it, we should not have to look any further than Cyrellys Geibhendach........ well, if she hasn’t already been arrested?    

    The FBI did attempt to interview my sister, Louise, about her connections with Ruby Ridge.  They couldn’t make it up her four mile driveway in the mountains.  



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    Post by Foresaperire Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:40 pm

    Well...that went off the rails as fast as it was on it. You're still thinking inside of the box Dan. The framework has completely shifted and some are already in it.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:44 pm

    Thinking inside the box........

    Well, Fores, if the people won’t come to the Truth, you have to move the Truth to the people.  

    chick is mobile, in case you didn’t notice.

    Do you have something against Cy?
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    Post by Foresaperire Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:52 pm

    You can continue to use your blunt and ineffective tools, we'll use our tools.  Perhaps the generational divide is just too great and the bridge is only available for those who have eyes to see.  We've learned a great deal from your generation Dan and appreciate all that you've attempted to do.  There is much clarity now around the leadership and framework that you all created.  You must be so proud that Biff led your charge.  Interesting choice.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:05 pm

    2100z........

    ??? Biff Tannen.... ??????

    What are you talking about?  That is just a little bit bizarre.

    Are you attempting to establish a connection between the characters of Biff Tannen and chicken little?

    Or, just maybe, it is more than a little bit bizarre.


    2220........

    Fores has failed to explicate or amend his remarks.  

    He appears to be rather quick on the trigger...... very quick to throw someone under the bus....... seemingly arbitrarily.  

    We are dealing here with some very complex issues, while still trying to maintain a conversational tone.  

    Having hair trigger reactions is no way to promote anything resembling a friendly atmosphere that is necessary if we are to transcend the superficial or the merely technical.  

    The flaunting of ones ageist biases is also unhelpful, and uncalled for.  

    Perhaps Fores could make use of a brief time-out in order to better collect his thoughts.  



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