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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by dan Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:10 am

    1310z.......

    U,

    I would go out of my way to defend foot from the likes of you.

    If that is your only reason for being here, you are invited to leave at your early convenience.  

    foot has a job to do.  You are unable to conceive of such a state of affairs.  

    You, on the other hand, come on as an unemployable idiot.  

    You just make foot’s job all that much easier.  

    Yes, the Source is coming to eat your lunch....... just don’t take it personally.  


    1400........

    Lasering is not necessarily a quantum phenomenon.  

    It is, in the first instance, a resonance phenomenon.  

    I’m suggesting that biology is a resonance phenomenon.  

    DNA 🧬 is used to tune the individual organisms....... up until the main tuning comes from the Monad....... Ommm....... via the Logos.  

    We will be like soldiers marching across a bridge 🌉, as the bridge begins to sway in time with the marching foot falls.  

    Will we simply break step?  

    Identity politics is about breaking step on a global scale...... where Trump-like figures are able to exploit the sub-harmonics, on a national scale.  

    With (global) final participation, we lase right back to the Monad....... à la Childhood’s End.  

    We tune ourselves to the portal frequency...... is another analogy.  

    Understand that oscillation, here, is a metaphor for something much more multi-dimensional, and in ‘tune’ with the Logos.  

    This is the holy grail being guarded by the global intelligence community.  

    This is what the Parousia is all about.  

    Poor, U...... he has not a clue.  

    But, yes, the Wuhan virus 🦠 is operating in this same arena...... as donny discovered, belatedly, much to his chagrin.

    Final Participation is a muti-dimensional phenomenon.  

    What is the frequency, Kenneth?  

    Grail, Grail....... who’s got the Grail?  

    Those sub-harmonics, will come into the larger picture...... soon enough.  

    In the meantime, those national portals are sucker holes 🕳.  

    There is a level at which foot and the ant 🐜 i/e understand.  

    The national populist bigwigs are the preliminary piano 🎹 tuners.  

    Then someone just has to hum a few bars.  

    It is the advent of the Logos Spermatikos...... coming through the various filtering mechanisms.  

    Well, ok, if Steve Bannon understands...... then there must be a lot of folks....... Kit’s 10k.  

    Thunder perfect mind.......?



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    Post by U Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:10 am

    It's not my only reason Dan, I was brought here. My lunch might be eaten but I know I have at least a few fans in the deep state. Whether they've laughed with me or at me, I've done my job.
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am

    Ok, another rocket stage falls by the wayside.

    We can dedicate this to Chivo.......... https://youtu.be/X_YVeB6JLb0
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:37 am

    Chicken and Foot in Resonance. With the Princess there is Preeminence. The Godfather has Precedence. Yet there exists Divergence. His World does not have Salience. Soon there will be Emergence.
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    Post by dan Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:44 am

    Hey, whatever works out........ for the best.  

    chick 🐣 has only ever been for the best.


    Ummm........ just don’t expect me to roll over, and play dead.

    For instance, the Princess may well hold the keys to Heaven, but...... ultimately the keys are within....... framed by the Logos.

    In my brief experience, the Princess has used an ELE to frame 🖼 the keys 🔑.  

    I just don’t see this as the best possible Eschaton.  

    I would certainly appreciate the opportunity to discuss this salient matter with the Princess 👸.  

    Chez Francois?



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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:06 pm

    I will check with the Princess soon as I can. I have not seen her or the Foot Man. Perhaps they went South to get a Tan.
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    Post by dan Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:58 am

    This interchange with foot* is open to interpretation.  

    This is the first time that someone posting under the Footmann label has claimed to not be foot 🦶.  

    For all the chick 🐣 knows, the foot I know, personally, may have written none of the posts or all of them....... take your pick.  

    I would argue that this question is mainly of academic concern.  

    Another feature of the exchange was that foot* came on like a lion, and went out like a lamb.  

    This is also the first time that any person using foot’s account has responded to comments.  

    One thing noteworthy of foot 🦶is that he is not a control freak...... he is an agent of found opportunity...... I would include chick amongst those findings.  He’s never found a pot, however, that he hasn’t stirred.  

    chick has said, in effect......... here’s a pot, why don’t you come and stir it...... it might be an interesting experiment 🧪....... in Lord knows what!  

    There are those who believe that the R&D show is all a private joke of foot’s.  

    Well, ok, but at least he is sharing the humor.  
    ...........


    I would like to get back to the notion of resonance........

    My broadest claim that the BPW is a resonance phenomenon....... while interpreting ‘resonance’ as broadly as possible.  

    For instance, I’m thinking of the Leibnizian principle of least action as a resonance phenomenon.  

    Then combine the LAP with Feynman’s notion of the sum over histories.

    Waves propagate geometrically because the wavelets that are deviating from the optimal path suffer deconstructive interference.  

    If we think of each of us as a wavelet, then we can say that the sum of all our histories, imagined or otherwise, necessarily add up to the best possible world....... God had no choice in the matter.  

    We also see shades of RAW’s........ the world is the sum of all conspiracies ever imagined.  

    Wonderful, but where is the resonance?  

    Hmmm 🤔............

    Well, we might think of the Sun as a resonance.  

    Or, better yet, how about the Monad as a resonance cum tuning fork.  

    Ommm..........

    Or, what is the optimal path from Alpha to Omega?  

    The optimal path is the sum over all of our individual imaginations.  

    The best possible world is the constructive interference of all of our imaginations.  

    This is a cosmic Resonance 🛎, ding-dong...... no?

    It’s like the Ouroboros is an atomic orbital.  

    That orbital is just the standing wave for the electron’s wave equation.  

    Standing waves are what we get in, say, a (classical) microwave tunable resonator cavity/oven.

    All that God has to do is provide the dimensions for the Ark...... along with a Mount Ararat for it to land on.  

    And now I’m seeing the Sun as a kind of tuning fork 🍴 for Creation...... tell me that the chick 🐣 is all wet!  

    Well, ok, all you need is the Sun ⛅ plus that Vitruvius person.  

    This is all that the I Am has to figure out....... easy, peasy.....

    And now we’re right back to the Pokotok arena.......... just replace the football 🏐 with the Sun ⛅...... you get the idea 💡.  



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    Post by hobbit Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:39 am

    [edit..... hobbit is an anti-vaxer. For the record, the little chick 🐣 is fully vaccinated, and recommends vaccination for all.]


    Dan,

    Your "resonance" is phase conjugate with a slight bias to the northern hemisphere, hence the serpent eating it's fractionally smaller tail.

    What is used up is into creation.

    What i am detecting is that those who have had the injection/s are been deprived of the personal field of such, thus their time is very limited  as their immune systems are powered as such by that field, the younger people 40S are not as totally depleted, thus I can see a rapid death rate of the older generations and the 40 and under ones  dying in a few years time.

    Humans are products of this planet just small sort of planets field wise, that field of consciusness contains all information of all the small fields combined that are present and of recent past such, Darwin was correct in a sense but didn't know about how consciousness carries the information and morphs relative to inputs.


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    Post by dan Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:17 am

    I notice that Chivo is touting the Esoteric tradition in his section.

    I’m sorry, Chivo, but the Esoteric tradition suffers from a terminal confusion....... brought on mainly by its temerity with regard to Darwinism.

    Having said that, I’ll note that Blavatsky has been quoted as suggesting that Darwin has evolution upside down.  

    Both Helena and her followers, downplay this radical notion, mainly by not taking the next logical step....... turning evolution inside out.  

    In other words, Disclosure is nothing if it is not complete and coherent.  

    The Best Possible World Hypothesis/Small World Hypothesis (BPWH/SWH) provides a complete and coherent cosmology.

    I can do this only by being totally radical.

    I’m aware of no one else who has gone the whole course.



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    Post by hobbit Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:24 am

    This is not about a vaccine, which I am not against thank You.

    This is an injection of an experimental synthetic drug, I wish You well and all those countless others gleefully rushing along following the piper ( programming)

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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:51 pm

    The "vaccine" is not a vaccine. It is a liberal meme. Fake "vaccines" are available that will make you feel just terrible. But if you believe in fake pandemics, then your stupidity is systemic. So get the shot and dance around, for you have already drowned.

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    Post by dan Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:55 pm

    Presumably, another dumb post by the fake foot*.  

    I may not believe in atoms, but I do believe in pandemics and in the efficacy of vaccines.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:04 am

    "The "vaccine" is not a vaccine".

    Exactly.

    Humans have become trusting in vaccines as a means to build immunity against whatever.

    Children are now been subjected to dozens of vaccines, and pray tell Me the numbers of autistic children in America????

    Humans are self repairing self protecting vehicles, what is required is that they have full potential to enable this.

    YOU Dan upon here were quoting others stating they had an agenda to kill off 95% of humans.

    You may trust vaccines, do You trust the contents of these injections been falsely called VACCINES?????

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/i-039-m-losing-patience-with-the-zombies_XqoCT4bfyK3XkJ7.html

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:20 am

    hobbit,

    This is not a section for the discussion of vaccine safety.  

    You are invited to do so in another section.  

    I will delete any mention of that topic, going forward.  

    The same warning goes for the fake Footmann*.
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    Post by Foot Mann Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:41 pm

    Interesting that the false discloser now calls the Footman Fake. Interesting that the false claims of others having an agenda to kill off 95% of humans is fair game, but those with a real agenda to kill off 95% of humans is not. Those are not "vaccines," they are slow acting poisons destroying the essence of humanity. Seems the Chicken has shown his true spots and the Hobbit has shown his true genius. As the Foot says, "Be safe, be well armed, and strike first." Hunkering down in siege never works when you are outnumbered. Fry those Chicken Nuggets of Loon Blog Censorship!

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:58 pm

    Ron is not fake, but you have admitted that you are not Ron.
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    Post by hobbit Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:40 am

    dan wrote:hobbit,

    This is not a section for the discussion of vaccine safety.  

    You are invited to do so in another section.  

    I will delete any mention of that topic, going forward.  

    The same warning goes for the fake Footmann*.

    Dan,
    Could You please provide Your definition of what eschaton is.

    "genius" hobbit
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:24 am

    My goodness, this is the first time that hobbit has asked me a question.  

    The Eschaton is when most of us will choose to move to the other side so as to return to the Source.

    The way to remain on this side will be to move off the grid, and become a tree 🌲 hugger.

    Collectively, we will move from the Omega back to the Alpha, as if in a time machine, via ‘portals’ of various sorts.

    Tree hugging 🤗 will be one of the many portals available.  

    And you’re right, hobbit, there will be no vaccines 💉 on the other side.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:59 am

    "As it is"

    I observe this reality as my senses allow, and one of those senses enables Me to observe trees extra to sight and touch.

    One set of trees, the soft woods , totally reverse their northern and southern hemisphere spin fields relative to the equinox timing.

    The hardwoods are in constant reversal .

    So timing would be central to any tree hugging relative to the equinox timings as even hardwoods reduce considerably their field diameters in sept to march times ( northern hemisphere)


    Who will decide this eschaton? the seraphim?




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    Post by dan Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:49 am

    1350z.......

    hobbit,

    Everything has already been decided by all of us, acting on behalf of the Monad/Source.


    There was another conversation with foot 🦶.......

    Yes, his account had gotten out of control....... he didn’t know who was posting what.  Things are back under his control, and, all the co-posters are in reasonable agreement about the state of the world.  

    Is chick 🐣 a false discloser?  Maybe 🤔.  

    Tell me something I have said that is false.  

    I did not get a clear response.  

    Then he said that I had said something false about a person I had never even heard of.  

    My possible participation in the philosophy group is under consideration.  

    Contrary to the popular perception, the Pentagon has never made any official statement about the alleged tic-tacs.  

    The folks in charge of the misinformation about anomalous phenomena are mainly Hal, Kit and Brandon.  My ‘author’ contact works mainly with Brandon.  He skepticism is at least partly staged.  

    Those were the highlights.  

    We never got around to politics....... current or otherwise.

    I asked him about whether the world was small...... or not.  

    Again, no intelligible answer.
    ..........


    Is the NYT&co being knowingly complicit with stories on the tic-tacs?

    It’s quite possible, imho.  

    I’m not saying that there are no tic-tacs, I’m just saying that the actual sourcing of that information remains well concealed.  

    I’m certainly not holding my breath that the anticipated disclosures by the US intelligence community in June will bring us any closer to Disclosure...... but it probably won’t hurt, either.  

    More folks will come to understand that there is something to disclose, and that foot 🦶 likely has more inside information about the Source than anyone known to the public.  

    chick 🐣’s information is only just inferential.  

    Kevin and Joe remained in relatively good graces with foot 🦶.  

    Kiviat is part of the Brandon team....... along with another Kevin.

    B has been the main source of financing amongst the Aviary types, for some number of years, and this would include my earlier source, FTGM.  

    Is B&co a rogue element, working for other actors?  

    They may well have side arrangements, but, generally speaking,  they remain on the reservation.  

    How might the NYT relate to B&co?  

    I would guess that there is considerable overlap in their operational mandates.  

    In short, Disclosure remains a package 📦 deal.  

    Package, package....... who’s got the package?  

    donny?  donny’s got other things to worry about for the foreseeable future.  


    1900........

    What is chick 🐣’s biggest conceptual problem?  

    Well, I’m struggling to make more sense of the ‘resonance’ analogy.

    There is considerable overlap between the resonance analogy and the holographic analogy.  

    In both cases, we are dealing with ‘synthetic aperture’ type of problems.  

    Most of the architecture/infrastructure of the SA is only accessible from the other side.  Much of that information is coded geometrically...... as witnessed by folks experiencing altered states.  

    We’re talking about the collective unconscious as the background to the collective conscious.  

    The queen bee 🐝 is the incarnation for much of the access to the cUc/Hive/Limboland.

    Is there overlap between the queen and the Princess?  

    Quite possibly.  

    Let’s just say that there is enough overlap to make things interesting 🧐........ enough to keep things personal.  



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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:46 pm

    This is the real Foot back in town and disappointed as always with the inability of the Chicken to speak the truth. Most significant is his defamation of Mr. Kiviat, falsely accusing him of being part of the Brandon Team. In a Small World, there is not enough room for a deceptive Chicken.
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    Post by dan Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:21 pm

    0420z........

    foot,

    Thanks for the correction.

    My apologies to Robert.  

    Defamation is out of place........ in any world.  

    And do I hear a back-handed support for a small world?


    1500..........

    Holography and the various synthetic aperture devices (SADs) do not require the Quantum....... they can function as classical E&M devices.  

    What the classical aperture devices cannot offer is the possibility of entanglement.  

    I have spoken previously of quantum apertures...... more in the sense of portals....... to the other side.  

    Non-linearities in ‘classical’ QM could provide a bidirectional channel to the Source, for instance.  

    Well, entanglement is a kind of non-linearity....... entanglement implies non-linear wave function collapses.  

    Allegedly, entanglement phenomena only operate in regimes near absolute zero temperatures to avoid thermal decoherence.  

    However, the many quantum biological phenomena give the lie to such simplistic negative assessments.  

    One explanation is that laser-like pumping phenomena can put biological systems into a negative temperature, neg-entropic regime.  

    Lasers are a quantum phenomenon operating at room temperatures...... and far from equilibrium.



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    Post by jofo Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:54 am

    whatever came of the Firmage lawsuit?
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:06 pm

    I’m not aware of any specific Firmage lawsuit.  

    There has been a Kiviat lawsuit against Firmage&co.  

    I believe that it has been resolved, mostly out of court.

    I gather that Kiviat is cooperating with foot.  

    The big divide is supposed to be between TTSA and the Firmage crew.

    I’m skeptical....... supposing that it is mainly for public display.  

    In the End, we’re all on the same team.  There is only one team, after all.  
    ..............


    Being an immaterialist, I speak of atoms ⚛ and quantums only in some poorly specified metaphoric sense.  

    Is this a legitimate exercise?  

    As far as I’m concerned, it’s the only game in town.  

    I’m an immaterialist because I believe in the coherence theory of truth (CohTT).  

    How does coherence work?  

    No one has any idea.  

    I can only imagine that everything is linked to the Source, somehow.  

    Lacking any well formed theories, we have to beg, borrow and steal metaphors and metanarratives from wherever they are available.  

    Where there’s, there’s a way.  We’ll have to let the cleanup crew work out the details.  

    Coherence works because everything is a microcosm of everything else.  

    As with Indira’s necklace, every pearl reflects every other one.

    In the End, there is only one pearl...... one cosmic Self.

    Agape is the only glue holding everything together.  


    2130........

    The Source, itself, doesn’t exist objectively.  

    The Source is only the nexus of nexi.  

    There is no there, there.  

    There is nothing like what it is to be the Source.  

    Is Jesus any more real than least known of us?  

    Not necessarily.  

    What is being done here is not rocket 🚀 science.  

    chick 🐣 is just connecting the dots, in a fairly haphazard and random fashion.  

    Anyone could do it, and everyone will, eventually.

    At least in part, it is a way to survive.  

    I can connect more dots than you can...... so there.  



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    Post by dan Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:31 am

    The main dots are Creator and Creation, which are Pratītyasamutpāda........ co-dependent.  

    What is a Creator without a Creation, or vice versa?

    I Am is the original communication....... from who to whom?  

    Creation is recapitulated in every moment....... each being a recapitulation of Eternity.  

    Coherence and self containment are pratītyasamutpāda.  

    Coherence is the necessary finitude that holds together the infinitude.

    Agape is the one thing there will always be too little of.  

    The Metanarrative is the logical companion of the Logos Spermatikos.

    One contains the other.

    The contention is that ours is the best possible Metanarrative.  

    If you’re looking for a better one....... lots of luck.  

    Understand, please, that the Metanarrative encompasses more than just the Alpha&Omega.  

    The wrinkle in time....... Omega =>> Alpha...... encompasses Eternity.  

    The Wrinkle is essential to the Metanarrative........ it holds it together...... it shapes it........ in all dimensions.  

    Atoms are a piece of Eternity.  

    They are the ultimate microcosm.  

    They are neither objective nor subjective.  

    They are the wrinkles in space.  

    Space is a wrinkle in the primordial Atom/Adam..... etc.......

    Mt Ararat, Mt Olympus, Monadnock, pokatok and the Ark are all the same....... primordial conglomerations.  

    The one thing physics proves is that you cannot understand an atom without understanding the world.  

    And we will all achieve this Gnosis....... in the End.  

    Just as a logical necessity.  

    As far as physics is concerned, the ‘objective solidity’ of atoms ⚛ is due to the relativistic properties of the Dirac equation for the electron, which requires that it obeys Femi-Dirac statistics upon being interchanged, or simply being rotated.  

    Ordinary material objects are symmetric under rotations of 360 degrees.  No so with Fermions.  They must be rotated by 720 degrees.  

    That is to say that the measure of spin for an electron is 1/2 unit.  

    Go figure.........

    This is just to say that physicists have barely begun to grasp the entanglement of atoms ⚛.  

    Atoms and agape are complimentary forms of the cosmic glue.  

    One is just the logical extension of the other.  

    However, ontogenesis, gives priority to agape.  

    Persons are the ultimate atoms/actuators of the world.



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