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First topic message reminder :

We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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I am part of One, I am infinitely intelligent.

Beyond scales muppets could ever comprehend.

Smelly El Chivo is also written by many others, don't you know, a legion.

But there is only one password and we all know it, bahahahaha.

I trust all the others down here, they would never betray me, I could never say that about a muppet.

I did find a smoking gun and then I put it to my temple and pulled the trigger.

Who would do it?

Not many.

I dare anyone to do it.

They don't have to drink psychedelic liquid for 2 years, just pull the trigger.

Snap out of the illusion of free will, I dare you.

Snap out of your little mind for 5 seconds.

That's what real writing/logos can do.

I'll play russian roulette with anyone, cause yah, you and I agree about faith and belief.

The smoking gun is my awareness and it is all you need and all you got.

We are expressions of the unconscious.

No one hardly knows anything about themselves, their no face self.

If you want to dialogue, it will be here, on the immanent plane of love.

Smelly goat doesn't dance any other way.

So we understand each other I'd say, but I'm not messin with muppets or their stupidity.

Elitest?

Nope, quality, get some.

The True Foot kicked the Fake Foot out and captured a Foothold on the Chicken's Loon Blog.

Foot Mann wrote:The True Foot kicked the Fake Foot out and captured a Foothold on the Chicken's Loon Blog.

Welcome to the club.

There is one Democrat on the Disclosure team.  

She is a former Congress woman who may switch parties.  

I’m supposing that the phenomenology group is distinct from the disclosure group.  

foot describes the Democrats as being more venal than than the Republicans.  

The Democrats have been provided with only a minimal amount of Disclosure information.  

I’m thinking that I should be allowed to speak with somebody on the disclosure group, if nothing else than to assess the level of philosophical background. This could be done anonymously.

Is there a ‘philosopher’ in the group, besides foot?



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Your generationally fueled political addiction is clouding your vision. The old framework is shifting. Focus on your breath - relax and be content in the present moment. Let your breath breathe you.

Foot Mann wrote:The True Foot kicked the Fake Foot out and captured a Foothold on the Chicken's Loon Blog.

Ha!

The more the merrier.

dan wrote:There is one Democrat on the Disclosure team.  

She is a former Congress woman who may switch parties.  

I’m supposing that the phenomenology group is distinct from the disclosure group.  

foot describes the Democrats as being more venal than than the Republicans.  

The Democrats have been provided with only a minimal amount of Disclosure information.  

I’m thinking that I should be allowed to speak with somebody on the disclosure group, if nothing else than to assess the level of philosophical background.   This could be done anonymously.  

Is there a ‘philosopher’ in the group, besides foot?



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If value and free will is an illusion and all are driven by their unconscious, what is there to talk about?

Oh, I know!

Republicans are stupid.

Like, really really stupid and heartless.

They have their fake religion and messiah and they are run like a wrestling network.

Scared little muppets.

Materialists.

To divide us is to destroy us.

We have differences, but we shouldn’t pick sides.

But I’m gonna call out stupidity.

They have been very very stupid.

Liars.

They want Christian nationalism over democracy, oh brother.

Wrong!

Return to GO and do not collect $200.

Why don’t all the angry white people go live in Russia?

See ya.

You cannot reason with stupid people.

They have to be contained.

Dan would say, duh.

The Democrats are being stupid not stomping them into dust.

We have the best possible stupidity I suppose.

Be kind, don’t be stupid, I don’t care really what anyone’s politics are.

But the choice of Trump is the funniest thing in a 1000 years.

What a sham.

Talk about delusion, I mean illusion.

1810z........

Everyone seems to be happy, including especially donny who has his stay out of jail card, and may be ready to walk back into the White House......... but he may have to play the card, first.  

chick doesn’t want to be in charge of anything.  The Truth is enough to keep me busy.  

I get a front row seat.


2120........

The person who is really in charge is the Princess.  

The chick is about content.  The Princess is about implementation.  

I have no desire to play games with the people with the guns.

That’s donny’s job.  He is welcome to it.  

chick just continues to twist in the breezes.



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1530z.......

I don’t know why, in the best possible world, there needs to be partisanship concerning disclosure.  

In its current version, foot is its primary manifestation.  

I may be the only staunch Democrat that he talks to.  He claims to have briefed Obama, back in the day.  

Of the services involved in the phenomenology problem, the Navy stands out...... as if they were in deep....... with Davy Jones’ ‍ locker.  

The Navy could run a tight ship.  

The other services....... not so much.  

We might say the same for the Republicans, relative to the Democrats...... as has been all too amply demonstrated with the Trump phenomenon.  

This has been great for maintaining the Coverup.  

It’s not so great with regard to Disclosure.  

foot claims that donny has been actively participating in preparations for Disclosure.  We’ll have to take his word for it.  


1910.........

I understand the politically conservative Evangelicals.

They’re tired of the secular humanists jabbering at them...... telling them what’s right and wrong, when they have no clue.  

Trump took advantage of this divide to further polarize the nation along ideological lines.

Is he being evil?  Is foot being evil?

I won’t speak to the former....... I don’t know.  

In the latter case, I don’t believe so.  

Are the secular humanists evil?  

They know not what they are doing...... whatever it is, it’s very confused.  

The right is acting out of fear...... the left out of confusion.  

The darkest hour comes before the dawn....... blame it on the God of Concealment.  

The British colonialists were masters at pitting minorities against majorities, and then exploiting the fear.   Was that evil?  In too many cases it was pure evil.  

Will those evil ones still go to heaven?  In most cases.  

Most will be able to plead ignorance...... on the other side of a radical Disclosure.  

God invented the Antichrist....... we invented the Antichrist.  

We are God..... in the End.... after all is said and done .  

Does Trump understand himself as an instrument of God?  For his sake, I would like to think so.  

It’s not always pretty.  

foot keeps talking.  I won’t hold it against him.  

Our collective confusion grows more dangerous by the hour.  

There can’t be that many more hours.  

Does the Princess have pity on us?  

Well, she is married to the foot.  

He is not a man of pity.  

She did not choose her vocation.  Did any of us?  

Every choice is the best possible choice..... sub specie aeternitatis.  

Keep the faith.  

Poor Chivo....... he has nary a clue about faith...... ‘animal faith’.  

Preachers are telling their flock to buy guns for the revolution.  

It is very hard to have pity on such.  Their human faith has been twisted beyond all recognition.  

Yes, the conservatives are paranoid.  They see evil around every corner.  

I’m guessing that what they see, most of all, is the Monad coming to eat their children.  

Try explaining that to them.  

That job may fall to Donald..... pretty much by default..... no one else would take....... certainly not the chick .  

I can’t even explain it to Chivo....... not in a hundred years.  

And, speaking of animal faith, here is George......

I am animated by distrust of all high guesses, and by sympathy with the old prejudices and workaday opinions of mankind: they are ill expressed, but they are well grounded. What novelty my version of things may possess is meant simply to obviate occasions for sophistry by giving to everyday beliefs a more accurate and circumspect form. I do not pretend to place myself at the heart of the universe nor at its origin, nor to draw its periphery. I would lay siege to the truth only as animal exploration and fancy may do so.....

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You won’t have a clue about what’s, out there, until you spend some serious time, in here.

Best to not take anyone’s word about anything, especially muppets like Ron.

Don’t believe one word, especially from the orange one.

Watch what they do.

Lookin for love in all the wrong places.

Those other muppets living in circumstances, what happens will happen, doesn’t matter what we think.

I always dreamed of being a naval aviator.

I wanted to go to the naval academy.

Love the ocean.

I never even took up sailing.

I was too lazy.

At this point in life, I’m looking at the tail end of my career, no regrets.

I did get my sea legs and wings eventually, sort of speak.

Now my hands are deep in the earth, into the mycelium.

Funny how life takes you up and down.

From the earth to the air to the earth again.

Quite a grand tour of life.

1500z.......

There is not a clamor in the land to open the portals....... to divulge the Truth.  

Paranoia is rampant, along with a floating anxiety about the future.  

You have to dig pretty deep to find the pronoia....... the animal faith.  

Well, animals are not burdened with despair...... the dark night of the soul.  

Would it be oxymoronic to speak of an instinctive faith?  

How better might one describe it?  

It may reside in the unconscious....... it may reside with the Source.  

I wouldn’t say that George was any more a naturalist that Spinoza was an atheist.  

They both could fall under the rubric of pantheism...... but in both cases there was an abiding personalism...... at the level of an animal faith.  

It is said that Santayana was able to ‘fight off idealism’...... as if that were some heroic struggle...... a disease of old philosophers, perhaps.

I observe the Norwegian spruce next to the road.  Whose idea was that?  

Whose idea is the Mandelbrot?  

How explain the spruce without atoms and dna 🧬?  

I don’t mind the atoms and the dna....... I just mind the objectification, thereof.  

What are atoms, if they are not to be objectified?  

Is the Mandelbrot not a mathematical object?  

Are numbers not objects...... any more or less than Beethoven’s Fifth?  

Fossils existed long before you and I...... and will exist long after.  

A car on the drawing board is an idea.  A car on the road is something else.  

It has been said that metaphysics is a disease of language...... ok.

Objects are a disease of language.  

You cannot talk about objects without an implied ontology.  

We know an object when we run into it.  


1710.........

Chivo,

Dancing with atoms?  

We dance with the world.  The world is our dance partner.  

It is the stage upon which we strut.  

The Monad is our imaginary dance partner...... although we may not realize it at this point.  

Chivo and I dance with each other...... how many philosophers can dance on the head of a pin?  


1930........

Rather than suppose there are no objects, it might be better to say that objectivity is relative...... to subjectivity.  

We can imagine a world without objects, but not one without subjects.  

There is no such thing as an unobservable universe.  

Such a universe could exist only in our mind’s eye .  

I would suggest that the quintessential object is a baseball , which is the fiat currency of a game, if you will.  

Is protein the fiat currency of metabolism?  

We dance with protein.  

Given that the I Am is going to have imaginary playmates, there would have to be rules of the road, such as a more or less level playing field.  

There would be a barter economy...... based in part on consumables.

Participation is mandatory....... metabolism is mandatory.  

Reproduction and mortality would also be mandatory.  Fertility would have to be age limited, at the least.  

Words are also a currency.  It is hard to live with them...... harder to live without them.

Objects have to exist in space and time.  

Space and time are the ultimate objects...... for many.  

Yet, their relativity is notorious.  

Persons are the measure of all things.

We use numbers to measure .   Numbers are the ultimate objects..... ultimate in their inter subjectivity...... a universal language.  

Where would we be without binary bits?  

The invention of zero was one of our greatest achievements.  

The upshot of all this is that that the world cannot be scale invariant.  

Physics is scale invariant...... in essence.  

Physics is a misplaced concreteness.  

Astronomy is such....... as objectified.  

How much time did we allot ourselves?  

I doubt that is a question that Donald is going to decide, although he might be instrumental in its implementation.



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U dance with atoms silly.

“Subjectivity as such presupposes the illusion that things could be different. To be a subject is to be unable to think of oneself as anything but free — even if you know that you are not. The barrier that means that this cannot be faced is transcendental.”

— Mark Fisher, The Weird and The Eerie

We are addicted to consciousness.

Mark killed himself before his last book Weird above, was released, should we consider his words?

Fisher argued that "the pandemic of mental anguish that afflicts our time cannot be properly understood, or healed, if viewed as a private problem suffered by damaged individuals."

It’s tough to be a subject.

“‘When you invoke something transcendent’, Deleuze argues, ‘you arrest [the] movement’ of processes on the plane of immanence. According to Deleuze, ‘it's always ever abstractions, a transcendent viewpoint, if only that of a Self, that prevents one from constructing a plane of immanence’ In his view, it is only when one assigns substantive causal power to an autonomous consciousness, its agency and mental representations that one closes off access to the plane of immanence.“

Subjects and their illusions are destroying the world.

I have a deep feeling that we are missing the immanence of being.

Clouded by illusions of free will and transcendence.

Clouded by dreams of it being ‘better’.

Drop the act now and you help to realize the best possible world.

The world as it is, with no authority or dreams of transcendence.

Then it all comes crashing down to an impossible point.

Right here, right now.

We are mistaken that only matter is real.

This guy really hates idealists.

His opening is a doozy.

https://monoskop.org/images/2/24/Brassier_Ray_Alien_Theory_The_Decline_of_Materialism_in_the_Name_of_Matter.pdf

Chivo,

Thanks.  

Laruelle is simply a Parmenidean, and he won’t admit it....... shameful, really.

In his handling of the ‘twixt and the ‘tween, he follows in the footsteps of George Hansen’s Trickster.

You know Dan, I don’t know if anyone else sees you, but I do.

I don’t know who else on earth I could talk about these things and feelings and ideas with.

I’m happy to be here.

So Husserl was wrong.

Thanks, Gary,

Interesting.  

I doubt that information would be released, if we had no handle on it.  

The releases would be calibrated.  

What is the message from the stars?

Anti-philosophy.

Prophesying is one of the world’s least profitable occupations. —Lincoln Movie

On one reading of it, anti/non philosophy is done in the name of science.  

Most scientists are strongly opposed to philosophy..... almost as much as to religion, and, in some cases more so....... philosophy actually pretends to an extra-scientific knowledge.  

Modernism is simply the view that the scientific method provides the only valid source of knowledge.

This view is no longer ascendant, but no contrary view has gained currency.

Well, postmodernism/pluralism is the closest to having currency, but it has no positive content.



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It is interesting to see how we have come to the apparent end of philosophy.

But maybe, not so fast.

I think we have to get ourselves into some Big Trouble.

“A traditional philosopher is like a traditional artist: an artisan producing texts. An antiphilosopher is like a contemporary art curator: he contextualizes objects and texts instead of producing them. Production of philosophy can be interpreted as an extraordinary, mysterious, 'poetic' process that is accessible only to a chosen few. Antiphilosophy does not abolish philosophical metanoia, but rather democratizes it.”

'only a very few need philosophy: those for whom things are going particularly badly' —Shestov

“For some who argue that confrontation is in the cards, the third world war began some years ago. And for some of these, crisis is an everyday condition, practically a lifestyle. They have seen a sign: do not, they have been told and are now telling others, add or take anything away from this letter. Well, what remains to be done, except to repeat this admonition ad infinitum ? The apocalyptic voice does not ask, "what's next?"; "next" is exactly what cannot be: the next of history, of philosophy; the after of teleology and eschatology.

How might we decode the message to John, "Do not add or take away..."? Is it not after all amatter of strategies, of battle plans which must not be abridged for to do so would endanger lives? Is it not after all a question of seizing the time, seizing time, stealing the future? Is it not after all a problem of delicate balances, most centrally of competence and incompetence? Who or what rules the balance: is it God or chance? In fact, God is not revealed in the looming apocalypse, though a gaggle of voices proclaim his image in the mushroom cloud. Is this forgery? Forgery would seem to entail a substitution, but why not a substitution of presence for absence (as Lunacharsky had it, "God-building")

Could Derrida represent for us the most extreme communism?”

“Revelation, though, is one thing humanity docs have. Assuming an apocalyptic tone, a" la the sophists ("mystagogues") chastised by Kant, is one means to subvert systems and to keep the ball rolling (or world turning). It would seem a cardinal principle of intertextuality, however, that the war of words cannot be won, not on/in its own terms anyway. Consider what's typically said about superpower summit meetings: "At least they're talking." The talkers here are truly the mys- tagogues of which Kant writes. As though the words are the main thing, as though wars are fought over words, and as though wars could be avoided if only the right words could be found.

Dcrrida, of course, doesn't fall for this line of argument—he is always careful to recognize the interconnecting lines of discourse and the various materialities of discourse. But there is a Derridean argument to be made here: wars may not happen for reasons, but they may happen for Reason . That is, for Kant's Reason, for the foundation, for the logocentric impulse running from Plato to NATO.

Now, what of memory and Reason? In Plato there is of course a very close relation. Everything which one knows is not "found out," not "discovered," rather remembered, uncovered . Clearing away the influence of the appetites, one sees in the pure light of reason the perfect knowledge of which all rational beings are privy. Note, however, that one docs not remember the past, rather, one uncovers what is present. Today's imperial logocentrists are not so articulate or inventive—there are no Platos to be found in superpower administrations—but they share this feature with the S o c r a t i c doctrine found In the Meno: they remember only the present.”

Disrupt closure.

No Apocalypse.

Disrupt disclosure.

Has a certain ring to it, doesn’t it?

“Let me say a word first about speed. At the beginning there will have been speed and these stakes appear in the experience of a race, or more precisely of a competition As no doubt we all know, no single  instant(of our relation to the world and to being) is not marked today, directly or indirectly, by that speed race."

—"No Apocalypse, Not Now"

"Heidegger reminds us of the fact that Leibnitz, who was the author of the formula of the Principle of Reason (Der Slaz vom Grund ), was also supposed to be the author of insurance, as we know it."

—"No Apocalypse", p.27n

You have to hold onto just enough territory to build a life.

In the midst of swirling chaos we make a life.

Crazy.

If it can’t get to us externally it eats us from the inside out.

To live is to die.

Some portals are blackholes watch out.

See Yellow Submarine.

How to leave our territory?

Hobbit knows how to find lines of flight.

Let’s say that science is the inevitable end of philosophy.  

Science is the reductio ad absurdum of philosophy.  

There is no exit from science.  

The only exit is a small step for a human and a giant leap for humankind.  

The only end of materialism is immaterialism.  

We have looked for love in every wrong place.

Looking for Truth we have turned over every stone.

Where can we find one piece of terra firma?  

We have found the end of history, but no one gives heed.  

What comes after modernism?  Postmodernism?  Nice try.  

If the whole is one iota more than the some of its parts.......

Then what?  

Emegentism?

What emerges?  

Do the stars fall from the sky ?  

What is holism?

Once it starts, where can it stop ?

Where is the event horizon..... the firewall of holism?  

All these millennia we have feasted on the external....... on our cosmic egg ....... but now the shell is beginning to crack.  

We see the cracks in the cosmic egg.  

We have to wonder what is beyond the sky....... flammarion.....

All of this just because we rub two atoms together, and they stick?  

It’s called the coherence theory of truth.  

That’s how atoms cohere........ the cosmic glue.  

What happened to the Big Bang?  

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.........

We are just left with a very untidy pile of anomalies.

No one knows what to make of them....... no one knows what to do with them....... certainly not the philosophers....... certainly not the intelligentsia.



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The biggest anomaly in the world is us, and the universality of our minds.  

We specialize in our ability to be universally coherent and cognizant.  

Mathematics illustrates this ability.  

Is ours the best possible mathematics or the only possible?  

As an example, considerable the unreasonable effectiveness of the monster group........ as in monstrous moonshine.  

Monstrous moonshine is illustrative of the pervasive unity of mathematics.  

Another facet of the Monster is its possible application to string theory in physics.



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Errr Dan,

Don't tell the bee's that they can't do maths, or the ants.

And seeing as every part of trees and plants conform to my uncle fibonacci sequencing ( as do We)
Maybe We ain't special in any way at all.

As for universality of minds We are totally veiled from utilising such, which this lunatic virus garbage is a reset of.

hobbit

hobbit,

Many who fancy themselves to be naturalists are prone to view humans as interlopers.

If the Earth may be viewed as a natural object, then they are right....... humans are distinctly unnatural....... certainly in comparison with any other animal.  

As for viruses 🦠, I don’t believe in them, either...... similar to the way I don’t believe in atoms........ atoms are mostly fake news ...... as is Nature, by the way.  

hobbit, you really ought to study the observer problem....... nothing exists, unobserved.  

The only question is....... what constitutes an observation?  

You suggest that bees make good observers...... they go out and observe where the pollen is...... and they communicate this information to their hive mates...... using solar triangulation...... clever little critters.  

One little problem...... who is to say that bees exist?

Bees........, presumably!  

Do they have to be able to quote Hamlet....... to bee or not to bee ?

Anyway, there were bees here, long before people.  

Before bees, there were stars .  

Before stars , there was the Big Bang.  

If you don’t believe in viruses 🦠, why would you believe in the Big Bang, hobbit?  

We have only to consider the reasonable possibility that existence is relative.......... but relative to what?  

Aye...... there’s the rub.  

This is where our universal minds come into the matrix of existence.  

Existence is some kind of matrix........ I believe that your Uncle Fibonacci understood this........ no?  

What are numbers....... if not a matrix?  

Certainly as a dowser, you understand.  

The only question is....... which came first...... the universal matrix or the universal mind?

My only question in response........ is there a difference?



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