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First topic message reminder :

We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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Ack wrote:Notice that? Ya, something maybe glitching with left Foot.

A for effort there left Foot.

“Left foot”

Bahahaha

Did someone say immaterial?

“Plane of immanence is a founding concept in the metaphysics or ontology of French philosopher Gilles Deleuze. Immanence, meaning "existing or remaining within" generally offers a relative opposition to transcendence, that which is beyond or outside. Deleuze rejects the idea that life and creation are opposed to death and non-creation. He instead conceives of a plane of immanence that already includes life and death. "Deleuze refuses to see deviations, redundancies, destructions, cruelties or contingency as accidents that befall or lie outside life; life and death were aspects of desire or the plane of immanence." This plane is a pure immanence, an unqualified immersion or embeddedness, an immanence which denies transcendence as a real distinction, Cartesian or otherwise. Pure immanence is thus often referred to as a pure plane, an infinite field or smooth space without substantial or constitutive division. In his final essay entitled Immanence: A Life, Deleuze writes: "It is only when immanence is no longer immanence to anything other than itself that we can speak of a plane of immanence."”

Smelly El Chivo wrote:

Ack wrote:Hmmm...go out of my way to go get a rushed vaccine that hasn’t even been properly tested or take my chances with a virus that has a .15% mortality rate for my age group.

We don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccine and many experience flu-like symptoms after getting it, which is expected and often happens with normal flu shots yes, but still...

No thanks.

I don’t even like getting seasonal flu shots.

I never get the flu anyway. My wife and kids can all have the flu and still I usually won’t get sick being around them every day.

I have a pretty good immune system I feel.

Not to mention I only leave my house like once a week to buy food and we rarely have visitors.

So ya, I’ll take my chances.

To each their own.

And no, the right are not more stupid then the left and Trump is no more stupid than dictator Newsom.

In fact, I’d argue that dictator Newsom is 10x worse than Trump when it comes to stupid.

And besides all that, if I do get COVID then the only other people I could transfer it to are others who have chosen not to get vaccinated themselves.

A politician is a politician.

They lie to survive.

I’ll be getting the vaccine.

mRNA vaccines are the bomb.

I definitely won’t.

mRNA vaccines can get theirs.

Smelly El Chivo wrote:Did someone say immaterial?

“Plane of immanence is a founding concept in the metaphysics or ontology of French philosopher Gilles Deleuze. Immanence, meaning "existing or remaining within" generally offers a relative opposition to transcendence, that which is beyond or outside. Deleuze rejects the idea that life and creation are opposed to death and non-creation. He instead conceives of a plane of immanence that already includes life and death. "Deleuze refuses to see deviations, redundancies, destructions, cruelties or contingency as accidents that befall or lie outside life; life and death were aspects of desire or the plane of immanence." This plane is a pure immanence, an unqualified immersion or embeddedness, an immanence which denies transcendence as a real distinction, Cartesian or otherwise. Pure immanence is thus often referred to as a pure plane, an infinite field or smooth space without substantial or constitutive division. In his final essay entitled Immanence: A Life, Deleuze writes: "It is only when immanence is no longer immanence to anything other than itself that we can speak of a plane of immanence."”

I like this.

Here’s another one.

Deleuze wrote:  “We head for the horizon, on the plane of immanence, and we return with bloodshot eyes, yet they are the eyes of the mind.”

Ok, as of last evening, a ‘person’ using Ron’s handle, picture and password is claiming to be someone else.  

Could you possibly enlighten us as to your intentions?  

But, on second thought, that is probably asking much too much, especially in these latter days.

It might be worth the while for us to be cognizant of the problems of personal identity....... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-personal/


Fores,

I apologize for having abbreviated my usual ‘scientific materialism’ to just ‘materialism’.  

But, yes, I do fully engage in the trials and tribulations of our allegedly material existence.

I just don’t believe in telephony.  I believe in telepathy....... even though I gladly participate in the illusion of quantum electro-dynamics (QED).  I just don’t happen to believe in the Quantum, either.  


As for our identities, I gather that they have always been problematic.  In the End, there is but the I Am.  All else exists on borrowed time.  



(cont.........)

Hey folks,

I stopped by to wish each and every one of you a very Happy St Patrick's Day

Dan,

Forgive me for not having responded earlier to your message some pages back. I don't wish to detract from your current thread of discussion but had a couple of points I wanted to mention.

The last few days have not been very nice, nor my greatest hour. To pinch Ack's term I was a bit of a dick so to all, I apologise.

Best for me to be silent I think.

The Logos?

When the hour comes I don't intend to grab a tree and hold on for dear life.

Pointless

I recognise that I will like everyone one else go down the plug hole soon enough.

I guess the dark and shadows have taken their toll on me. Only my opinion but they have taken their toll on everyone.

To everyone here I want to say thank you especially to those of you for holding my hand.

I'm not religious, don't see the need for mediators, but let me say that some may walk the Camino, some walk up Croagh Patrick.. I had to walk this.

The chick probably knew that anyway.

I have a terrific amazing mum who I love and many 4 legged family members to keep me company so I aim to finish the 26 miles 385 yards.

Anyway, I need to read the last few pages to catch up on the thread but 2 final things,

The song I posted was The Eagles version of Don Henley's 'Heart of the Matter'

It's easy peasy - Its about Forgiveness - though my feeble attempts to quietly suggest such in these times makes me a bit of a nutter to most.

I was never good at maths but I know this much - if the equation doesn't balance then we didn't find the answer.

Partial Lyrics enclosed below for all.


"These times are so uncertain
There's a yearning undefined
People filled with rage
We all need a little tenderness
How can love survive in such a graceless age?
Ah, the trust and self-assurance that lead to happiness
They're the very things we kill, I guess
Oh, pride and competition
Cannot fill these empty arms
And the work I put between us, you know it doesn't keep me warm

I'm learning to live with out you now
But I miss you, baby
And the more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I'd figured out
I have to learn again
I've been trying to get down
To the heart of the matter
But everything changes
And my friends seem to scatter
But I think it's about forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore


There are people in your life
Who've come and gone
They let you down
You know they've hurt your pride
You better put it all behind you baby
'Cause life goes on
You keep carryin' that anger
It'll eat you up inside baby

I've been trying to get down
To the heart of the matter
But my will gets weak
And my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me

1440z........

Thank you, Scott,

Scott and I have had many a pleasant conversation across the pond, wherein he has been able to show me around the farm and introduce me to the denizens, thereof.

And, yes, I do love the poem........


And where would the chick have been without the foot 🦶?  

foot transported me from one fantasy to another....... he incarnated my walking portal.

Yes, it might have only been a game for Ron, but he played it to a ‘t’.  

It’s not whether we win or lose...... it’s how we play.  

Ron and mj12 could be a hoax....... we know for darn sure that, on some level, life is an illusion.

Is it also a hoax?  Maybe that’s being a bit harsh..... let’s call it the best possible hoax...... and that’s not nothin’.  

Why is there something rather than nothing?  

And what about mj12?  

What about the three Visitors?

What is all that about?  

What about the I Am?  

Yes, I hear Chivo whispering in my ear.  

What is Chivo about?  

Where three of you gather together in my name, there I Am, also.  

How much closer to the Truth will we ever come?  

We gather together in the name of Truth........ no one can ever take that from us.  

I’ll tell you for darn sure that the truth is not out there...... it is in here, with each of us together.  That may be as close as we will ever come to Disclosure.  

We all know that life is impossible without hope.  

From whence comes our hope....... that eternal spring?  

Who can take that from us?  

Some seem to try, but we can only feel their pain.  


1640........

Thanks, Chivo........


How can we best facilitate our coming together?

I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company

(cont........)

Well said Scott and Dan.

You know what I like about our little OMF ship here, we are not projecting fear.

Fear here, is ridiculed and exposed and can’t stay long.

Each in his own way has struggled to show themselves.

I dig that muppets.

I dig this.

Who am I?

I’m a digger.

For, my apologies for being loose and rough at times.

I, like us all, am a work in progress.

I dare to be exposed.

I dare to be open.

I dare to have faith in being.

I am not afraid.

Not anymore.

I have no secrets, so I am not a good one to tell secrets to.

I do not and have not transcended.

I have descended inside.

Dan has taught me something.

He taught me to settle down and not expose others.

To meet them where they are and coax them out.

My act is partially an act.

But I tire of it.

I am just a boy who loves a girl and is learning to let others love him.

I hope you guys find that ufo pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

But my suspicion is, the chase is the lesson.

Who is chasing us and what are we chasing or running from?

I had an idea for a movie about a boy who sees something and tries to say something and along the way he meets friends and he finally finds what he sought was always seeking him.

He finds he was always home.

There is a way you can live treating all as friends.

Being one and being the one are very different views of the same thing.

No one wants to be the one.

How lonely that would be.

The pain of that loneliness seems unfathomable.

We could just be gods psychedelic trip.

It makes sense life is fractal.

If you got down to the mini cycles in each life they would be reflective of the same bigger patterns.

In this way I know you all as well as myself and you know me.

Would it be different if I was the first fractal or you were?

I feel this is not a sham world.

But it is a masked one.

This doesn’t want to be unmasked.

Any who would unmask it I think are blunted.

There is no ultimate disclosure that could succeed.

The patient doesn’t want to and maybe doesn’t need to wake up.

Just a counter point to all the attempts at unmasking.

Maybe go along with it all is best after all.

We suffer because of resistance and it hurts.

Maybe don’t resist.

Active obstruction and resistance is futile.

What is this wishing for better.

Maybe what we truly wish for is the source and its purity.

We wish for still water.

Pliny the Younger wrote of it as early as the turn of the second century when he stated that, “Several separate springs...converge into a broad still pool. There the water, clear as glass, allows you to see gleaming pebbles on the bottom and the coins that people have thrown in....”

“A story commonly cited in reference to this tradition is the legend of Mimir. Mimir was an Aesirian god also believed to be a water spirit. According to Norse tradition as narrated by the Eddas and the Volsung saga, Mimir resided by and guarded the Well of Wisdom. He drank from this well daily and was recorded to be “the wisest of the world’s beings.” The eldest Norse god, Odin, according to the text, was in need of the wisdom to save the world from destruction. He sought to drink from this well, but Mimir’s fee for a drink from the well was steep: the seeker’s right eye. Hesitantly, Odin made this sacrifice to receive a drink. It is said his eye was then tossed into the well so that others would see the price that must be paid.“

There is a difference between us and a fractal........ fractals go on forever.  

We may or may not...... it just depends on which is best.

Do we have to choose?

I believe that the choice has already been made....... it was the best possible choice....... and there is no second best.  

Why so?  

Because there is also a best possible Metanarrative.  

And, like all stories, this one has a beginning, a middle and an end.  

Can anyone prove this?  

No, but I believe we will all discover it, in due course.  

The best possible story is simply that we live and die.  

Multiply that by 10^10, and you get the idea.  

And understand that this best possible story is embedded in Eternity.  

In some sense this story is cast in amber.  

You may visit it, any part of it, whenever you like.  

We are doing this, now.  

Did we all have to agree at once?  

Mind you that, sub specie aeternitatis, ‘at once’ is open to a bit of interpretation.  But, yes, you get the drift...... we interpret it in the best possible way...... each according to our own.  

All of us coming and going to the same Source...... the I Am.

And, yes, the I Am did have a mental breakdown...... and we are the fragments.  

Now it’s just......... all ye, all ye, in free!  

Did foot teach me this?  

Well, he is part of the story........ like it or not......hoax or not.  

Is mj12 an essential part of this story?  

Chivo would say it’s just another distraction.  

Ok, but is it the best possible distraction?  

And I am a bit partial, having met Donald Menzel, very early on.  

Hey, I didn’t invent mj12.  Can anyone come up with a better idea?  

I mean, poor Ron....... didn’t he have anyone to ever hold his hand?  

Talk about lonely.  

If there ever was a greatest story ever told...... it would likely be tried out on someone first.  Then those folks could even add a chapter or two, sub specie aeternitatis.  Donald did write science fiction.  

I think Chivo is really worried about kids being forced to learn the story in Sunday School.  An essential part of the story is that all smelly goats are excused from Sunday School.  



(cont.........)

With knowledge and awareness comes responsibility.

What will you pay?

Odin payed with an eye and much more I’m sure.

We should thank the gods and venerate and call on them for help.

I have called on the ancients.

I have a called on all of creation to help me.

But the answer is, shall you pay our price?

I don’t know what the price is yet or what I could pay.

I don’t know if I have the courage.

But I will dare.

Well hell, if I’m excused from Sunday school, we gonna party out back and have a BBQ!

If I had children, I would treat them as my friends.

I am not their boss, or authority or responsible for what they do, they are.

I would give them access to whatever they like.

I would expose them to what I know later.

I would equip them to answer their own questions.

Would god have done any less and much much more?!

I speak metaphorically of course.

If Lucifer made us, would it have not given us the choice?

I don’t think eternity can be grasped by our minds nor forced on us.

I think we have to come to it.

I don’t know what eternity could be really.

Or maybe I know everything already.

Maybe we just have to trust ourselves.

Perhaps we awaken into eternity from this dream.

The Western Lands are a strange place with strange dreams.

If my consciousness is just software, I hope I get the good upgrades, maybe we are AIs that must upgrade ourselves and tend to the cosmos left to us.

Blogging with Loons the Chicken falls, crawling around the dirty stalls. Unsure of himself, he scratches dirt, never concerned to wash his shirt. The Blog was his goal, all filling his bowl. But the Blog is his grave, as it does enslave. With Loons as his critics, his philosophy devolved, a small world he says, in his portal a fez. Equating the Foot to Ron, is just plain wrong.

The loons have inherited the earth.

Trumpets are the looniest.

Left feet just trip themselves up.

You aren’t even a smelly foot.

You are a diseased foot.

You are unnatural.

Those who abhor connection are diseased.

Unnatural.

Shall we cut them off and caste the diseased into the fire?

Perhaps.

But, those who abhor connection do not love.

Those who do not love are lost.

We have to bear with the lost.

We have to suffer fools like our diseased left footed friend.

We should be sad for our left footed friend.

We should bear with his disease.

We should be patient with him and kind.

We should hold him up.

We have to carry them all.

I will go back up that ridge and pick up everyone I can.

Even diseased left feet.

Left foot almost smells gangrenous?

Shall we help him?

I think we will.

We will be patient with our left footed friend.

We will hope his disease is cleared up soon.

And if he should perish from his disease, we will think the best of him.

Foot Mann wrote:Blogging with Loons the Chicken falls, crawling around the dirty stalls. Unsure of himself, he scratches dirt, never concerned to wash his shirt. The Blog was his goal, all filling his bowl. But the Blog is his grave, as it does enslave. With Loons as his critics, his philosophy devolved, a small world he says, in  his portal a fez. Equating the Foot to Ron, is just plain wrong.

Boy, have you missed the boat.

“Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness – all of them due to the offenders’ ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and its nobility, the nature of evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly endowed with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading. Neither can I be angry with my brother or fall foul of him; for he and I were born to work together, like a man’s two hands, feet or eyelids, or the upper and lower rows of his teeth. To obstruct each other is against Nature’s law – and what is irritation or aversion but a form of obstruction.”

—Marcus Aurelius

Left foot, Marcus is talking about you.

Nature is beautiful and we will be patient with you until you learn to walk straight again.

You are lame sir.

But you can help yourself.

We make straight the path.

“Opposition is true friendship.” —William Blake

Left foot has inspired me.

There is always a lesson in all opposition.

You just have to have an open mind to see it.

I suspect left foot 🦶  is not very open minded.

Good. That’s very good.

We are different.

I am as different from Ron as can be.

I don’t know if left foot is Ron Pandolfi, I don’t care.

I don’t believe in names.

I use a few, but I don’t believe in them.

It doesn’t matter who left foot is.

He or she is opposition.

It’s important that we find things to celebrate about each other as well as being clear where we differ.

In his Marriage of Heaven and Hell (1793), William Blake says that “Opposition is true Friendship” and insists that attempts to reconcile difference are likely to “destroy existence”.

I agree.

Look at the left and right.

The diversity of life is diminished when one person tries to convert another to their truth. Whole ways of life disappear when one group imposes their system on others. What Blake sees is that difference is good.

He’d have felt at home among the many Native Americans who insist that difference is an invitation rather than a barrier to relationship.

Difference is an invitation to the dance

René Descartes asserted: “I think therefore I am.”

Animists insist: “We greet therefore we are.”

I think we are all basically animists and a little humanist.

We can relate, therefore we are of each other.

I hope you hear these words left foot.

It doesn’t matter who you are, you expose your difference and that is good.

—

I can’t speak to the authenticity of Dan’s words in his personal life.

We all fuck up all the time.

Persons hurt each other.

We dissolve into one another.

No one who is monitored from a distance can really be understood or known by another.

You have to get up close.

Grill to grill.

Smell them.

See how they live.

But he speaks a good game.

None of the god or disclosure bullshitz or princess story landed with me.

I saw glimpses of a heart.

He spoke of agape.

The only thing in life that has made a difference.

He is a strange ole wizard.

I like him a lot.

Really, crazy or not, I feel him.

I have faith in the immanence of love.

I was brought to OMF by forces unseen.

By love.

Those forces have shown me a mirror.

And that I am a reflection of love.

The immanence of love is here now.

He talks a good game.

I talk a lot, but can we back it up?

Do we walk our talk?

It matters.

It matters what you do.

Not so much what you say, what you do, is what you are.

What is there really to say when you know what to do?

Do it.

Do what you do.

Others will reflect you and you will reflect them.

What do people see when they look at you?

What do you see in others?

Who can bear to look into the 🪞

Foot posts upon a blog.
Foot declares the bloggers are all "loons"
Foot is a critic of Dan.
Foot declares Himself a "loon"

I wonder if Foot has been to the moon?
Maybe he lives on the moon?
All on the moon must be loons.
The moon is like a small world.


hobbit

Keith believes that I am a creature of the cia, following in the auspicious footsteps of Paul Bennewitz.  

Furthermore, he believes that foot left the agency, some time ago, and that, since then, I am one of his several ufo 🛸 playmates....... his toys to be manipulated, for his personal entertainment.  

Sure, I can understand.  

This is not Keith’s first trip around the ufo 🛸 block.

In all this time he has seen one shred of evidence to support anything unconventional or paranormal.  

At the most, there is evidence that the government has appealed to ufo beliefs as a cover for secret technology.  

So, yes, he agrees with foot’s professed view that, for instance, the Aviary consists of crooks, loons and worse.  

Wonderful........ but........

Reporters are, by definition, hung up on the facts.

What else is there?

Has there ever been such a thing as a bare fact?



(cont........)

Dan believes Keith believes what the Chicken crows. Dan dissembles, so Dan believes Keith believes what is false. Then Dan smiles like a Loon for having deceived others. Real chickens crow the truth.

Golly, nonRon, you are being most voluble.  

What is it that has you so agitated?  

May I try to guess......?  Are you worried about our favorite sleuth....... K?  

K seems only to be supportive of your efforts to defend the body politic from the crooks, loons and worse.  

You may rest assured that our sanity is in good hands with K.  

By the way, K is of the strong opinion that Ron is no longer with the agency.  Would you care to share with us any thoughts you might have on his present status?  

I failed to ask K why he was assuming that R’s status had changed.  


But, anyway, these are just more questions about the facts of the case.  

Let’s get back to the issue of facts....... is there such a thing?  

Is there such a thing as a bare fact?  

The very favorite philosophical fact........ the cat is on the mat.  

More technically, is there such a thing as a propositional truth?  

Still more technically........ can there exist a state of affairs in the world which could render some given statement to be objectively true or false?  

Just as a for instance........ is there an objective state of affairs in the world that could render the statement....... dan smith is chicken little..... to be objectively true or not?  

If you think I’m pulling your leg about the depth of confusion, you might wish to start here........ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/propositions/#deep

Even if there were any objects in the world, then, according to the received opinion amongst philosophers, it would impossible for us to say anything objective about those alleged objects.  

So there........

That’s why I’m a fan of the coherence theory of truth (CohTT)....... the Truth, ultimately, is something that we would be willing to die for.  

The jguy set a fairly high bar, in that regard....... or so it has been alleged.  



(cont.......)

There are many feet, but only one Foot. I am the Foot Man, not the Footman. Chicken scratch philosophy deserves a good Foot Man.

1710z.......

Well, ok...... shall we do philosophy 101?  

Is it true that Ron actually taught a course on philosophy for his fellow officers at the agency?
..........


There may not exist any facts...... there may not exist any truths.  

No one has ever died to uphold a fact.  

But folks die all the time to uphold truths...... the ones they believe to be self evident.  

Would I die for my belief that this is the best possible world?  

K supposes this fact to constitute a mental health issue.  

He might be right...... but he cannot get his head around the possibility that he might be wrong.  

Yes, sports fans, there are still plenty of folks in the world who cannot imagine that there are more things under the Sun than are dreamt of in their philosophies.  


1800.........

The only difference between K and chick is that he is living in a very fragile world......... just one stray phenomenon, and his world goes up in smoke.

With the chick......... there is no such thing as a stray phenomenon.

There are an uncountable number of stray phenomena every day, yet, the scientific establishment is able to hold them at bay.

And understand that science and religion have been in a state of armed conflict for centuries...... take no prisoners....... all is fair in love and war.

K seems totally clueless about this....... he chose his side, long ago.



(cont........)

dan wrote:Keith believes that I am a creature of the cia, following in the auspicious footsteps of Paul Bennewitz.  

Furthermore, he believes that foot left the agency, some time ago, and that, since then, I am one of his several ufo 🛸 playmates....... his toys to be manipulated, for his personal entertainment.  

Sure, I can understand.  

This is not Keith’s first trip around the ufo 🛸 block.

In all this time he has seen one shred of evidence to support anything unconventional or paranormal.  

At the most, there is evidence that the government has appealed to ufo beliefs as a cover for secret technology.  

So, yes, he agrees with foot’s professed view that, for instance, the Aviary consists of crooks, loons and worse.  

Wonderful........ but........

Reporters are, by definition, hung up on the facts.

What else is there?  

Has there ever been such a thing as a bare fact?  



(cont........)

Tell Keith, I had his theory 5 years ago, better late to the party than not show up.

Keith isn’t looking with his real eyes.

He’s a muppet, what do you expect from a card carrying muppet?

He doesn’t see the real story.

Someone who has not overturned all their beliefs, can’t be trusted.

They haven’t seen through this.

So Keith is just another blind mouse misinforming all the other blind mice.

Foot Mann wrote:There are many feet, but only one Foot. I am the Foot Man, not the Footman. Chicken scratch philosophy deserves a good Foot Man.

Says a left foot.

Fun fun.

Dan, don’t die for a belief.

Beliefs are easy to have, every muppet has them, and they die for them all the time.

Such a waste.

To live with this is the hard work.

Don’t settle for easy beliefs.

Have you learned nothing of faith?

We want you to live.

The immanence of love, trumps all belief.

1820z...........

Chivo,

I’ll have to send you to the back of the class, if you don’t pay attention.  

I have just spent the last couple of hours declaiming on the difference between belief and faith.  

Faith is what we are willing to die for.......... beliefs are about everything we think we might know something about........ I believe that today is Thursday........ but I will not die to uphold that possibility.  

K, and every other muppet, is looking for a smoking gun....... a piece of evidence that he would be willing to stake his journalistic reputation upon.  

He has honestly found none.  

I have honestly found none........ nor have you, Chivo.  

Every last one of us is looking for something that could give us faith in something....... something beyond our merest existence.  

Now, we could say that this is a futile quest.  

But every muppet out there cannot afford to drop this quest.  

If someone thinks they are drowning, you can’t just tell them to stop looking for the life raft.  

It may be a little late to try to teach them to swim....... especially if they are beginning to panic.  

That is the situation the world is in, right now........ we’re beginning to panic, even though we might be very reluctant to admit it to ourselves.  

So what can we do........ on rather short order?  


2020.........

Now, Chivo,

You and I might be pretty smart, but we wouldn’t be very smart, if we thought we were the smartest two guys in the world.  

If it occurs to us that we are backing ourselves into some sort of historical predicament........ we’re probably not the the first ones to have foreseen the possibility of such a denouement.

Let me suggest to you that we are not the only two to be receiving news from nowhere.  

We both believe that there are paranormal phenomena.  We don’t know whether or not such phenomena could pertain to issues of national security.  

It might occur to us that there have been coordinated efforts to monitor anomalous phenomena........ probably associated with governments, but not exclusively.  

There may well be think tanks assigned to monitor and evaluate such collection efforts.


2130.........

After the history of the Manhattan project, it’s fair to assume that there is a general interest among governments to employ folks to think outside the box.


2240...........

There was an actual conversation with foot.  I’m fairly sure it was not an impostor.  

foot has changed the password on his OM account.  The password had gotten out to a number of folks.  They ones he knew claimed innocence.  

A disclosure team is being formed, and donny is (still) in charge.  

I may have been in charge at one point, but I screwed it up.  

The main outsider that foot talks to besides me is Kiviat.  

Others he speaks with more intermittently.  

He had tried to interest Kiviat in the financial scam that was being played against Joe.  

Yes, there is a phenomenology problem.

And, yes, there is a team that monitors the phenomenological situation.



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