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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

    First topic message reminder :

    We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

    Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

    Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

    https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

    https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


    Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:08 pm

    Listen, hobbits just have a gay attraction to that uncle fib.

    That’s just the way it is Dan.

    No one is gonna wake up anyone.

    That’s a dream.
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    Post by dan Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:20 pm

    hobbit,

    I love Tavistock.

    chick 🐥 is definitely pronoid about Tavistock.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:26 pm

    Of course, a spook who loves a false flag psy-ops operation.

    Go figure.
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    Post by dan Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:36 pm

    I love false flags.

    We know that one of them will turn out to not be false.

    If you get a good enough handle on the False, it will point you directly to the Truth.  

    Kinda like the shadows at dawn.  

    The interview mentioned above is not with JW4....... it is with a researcher, apparently.



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    Post by hobbit Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:02 pm

    dan wrote:hobbit,

    I love Tavistock.

    chick 🐥 is definitely pronoid about Tavistock.  
    You and Your mate Gates ( devil) and the w.H.O

    And the masons.

    You don't think that this covid shit is a fear based operation by the tavistock institute to make people BELIEVE it is real....do You??

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    Post by dan Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:06 pm

    I keep an open mind....... unlike you, my friend.

    The world may not be as black and white as you try to make it.
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    The interviewee is a Brit.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:20 pm

    dan wrote:I keep an open mind....... unlike you, my friend.

    The world may not be as black and white as you try to make it.
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    The interviewee is a Brit.  

    The black and white flooring is best left to the masons.

    They do like their pyramids, with only those at the tip seeing all.

    Shame about all of those dollar bills that will be toilet paper soon

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    Post by hobbit Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:30 pm

    Ack wrote:Listen, hobbits just have a gay attraction to that uncle fib.

    That’s just the way it is Dan.

    No one is gonna wake up anyone.

    That’s a dream.

    You wake up every 24 hours, 24 leads to 108.

    hobbits are from long before my uncle fib, as is the matrix.


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    Post by hobbit Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:49 pm

    Ack wrote:Listen, hobbits just have a gay attraction to that uncle fib.

    That’s just the way it is Dan.

    No one is gonna wake up anyone.

    That’s a dream.

    It is right brain( feminine) thinking , most males are left brained and easily led, hobbits use both brains with fully functioning pineal glands.

    Then You will comprehend vedic geometries of universe.

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    Post by dan Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:08 pm

    John Warner’s Little Anton book should be right up hobbit’s alley.

    The video that U linked is point to chapter 108.

    The Nazis were really into underground currents.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:25 pm

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    Post by dan Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:36 pm

    That’s what I keep trying to tell hobbit, but he won’t listen.

    But still, hobbit would appreciate chapter 108 of Warner’s Little Anton.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:15 pm

    All we can do is dialogue, we can't wake each other up.

    You have to do that Wink

    I will say, after reset to zero and stabilizing, you cannot be mind controlled or corrupted.

    You aren't even paranoid anymore.

    Pronoia is a good word.

    "HESIONE PRONOIA (Pronoea) was the Okeanid-nymph wife of the Titan Prometheus. She was a minor goddess of foresight. Prometheus' wife was sometimes named Asia.

    Pronoia was perhaps identified with the goddess Athena who, according to several ancient writers, was worshipped as Athena Pronoia at Delphoi. As an Okeanid-nymph she also resembles Athena's mother Metis (Good Counsel)"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:24 pm

    “Hail to thee, Nature, thou parent of all things! and do thou deign to show thy favour unto me, who, alone of all the citizens of Rome, have, in thy every department, thus made known thy praise.” —opening prayer from Pliny the Elder’s Natural History

    "My subject is the world of nature ... or in other words, life," he tells Titus

    Nature for Pliny was divine, a pantheistic concept inspired by the Stoic philosophy, which underlies much of his thought, but the deity in question was a goddess whose main purpose was to serve the human race: "nature, that is life" is human life in a natural landscape. After an initial survey of cosmology and geography, Pliny starts his treatment of animals with the human race, "for whose sake great Nature appears to have created all other things.”

    "When I have observed nature she has always induced me to deem no statement about her incredible.”

    This led Pliny to recount rumours of strange peoples on the edges of the world. These monstrous races – the Cynocephali or Dog-Heads, the Sciapodae, whose single foot could act as a sunshade, the mouthless Astomi, who lived on scents – were not strictly new. They had been mentioned in the fifth century BC by Greek historian Herodotus (whose history was a broad mixture of myths, legends, and facts), but Pliny made them better known.

    Pliny is a cool Roman, a Polymath I’m sure.

    The ancients sought to create ethical and mindful citizens.

    I think I also follow this creed.

    I also seek to promote ethical and mindful human beings, by living thusly.

    I don’t have a mission, but that is a general principle I live by.

    One must have principles and faith in things of a sort.

    Atheists are trying to free us in their way from what they see as ignorant beliefs.

    But they discount the role they fill promoting ethical humans.

    I don’t know that religion promotes much mindfulness.

    Humans love to be in the “in crowd.”

    “Isocrates does not provide a single definition of logos in his work, but Isocratean logos characteristically focuses on speech, reason, and civic discourse. He was concerned with establishing the "common good" of Athenian citizens, which he believed could be achieved through the pursuit of philosophy and the application of logos.“

    Why then do we not teach philosophy in grade school and high school?

    I can guess.

    Keep them dumb and ignorant of their true face.

    The logos creates AND takes back all things.

    Stoic philosophy began with Zeno of Citium c. 300 BC, in which the logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. It was conceived as material and is usually identified with God or Nature. The Stoics also referred to the seminal logos ("logos spermatikos"), or the law of generation in the Universe, which was the principle of the active reason working in inanimate matter. Humans, too, each possess a portion of the divine logos.“

    Dan an I agree highly on these points.

    The logos is active reason working in inanimate matter.

    Your mind and all you feel as yourself is the Logos.

    This deeply resonates with me.

    Like it makes me cry to feel it.

    I’m overwhelmed by emotion pondering my mind.

    What is this life we ask our whole lives.

    Our being here is maybe the miracle of miracles.

    I am in awe of what we are.

    We seem so common and petty in our modern thinking.

    But we have forgotten the awesomeness of life.

    You feel to serve life and protect it.

    You come to love it as intensely as anyone has ever loved another.

    I am in love with nature.

    She fills me with her delight.

    From here you may create a masterwork on earth.

    From this love to this love.

    Sure, life is fucking hard.

    But one can rise to it.

    I wouldn’t call anyone out or say if they are rising to life or not.

    I am.

    Do better than me if you can.

    I dare you.

    Let us dare each other to our greatness if we have lost that loving feeling.

    To come here, into the lecture hall, shows you are chosen.

    You have promoted yourself.

    Are you ready to do the hardest work?

    We should push each other.

    Sure, myself, Eric Garza, a shade, was first to be here with Dan and hear him.

    I don’t want to be the last.

    I must confess to Dan, I’m a coward.

    I do not have the will to stand out there in the world as this and let the chips fall where they may.

    I want to stay on my mountain and leave it all be.

    I want to commune deeply with nature from logos.

    I want to apply the logos to everything I touch.

    I met maybe 20 folks I have really connected with over last 7 years.

    1 killed himself.

    I showed them my heart.

    Right on the table.

    Some asked me who I am.

    That struck me funny.

    Was I someone they never expected?

    I didn’t tell most of them about my encounter with nature.

    As if they couldn’t see, I was them.

    Didn’t go to my head.

    I just noted the power I had in me.

    The healing nature of it.

    I don’t know what they did with what they found reflected here.

    It’s none of my concern really.

    I trust the process.

    I trust nature and the flow.

    I know it will work it the way it can.

    Why can we improve ourselves?

    Why can we train ourselves?

    A clue.

    I have a very intimate relationship with nature.

    She touched me deeply.

    She touched parts of me I didn’t know existed.

    I met her in the underworld.

    She sent me back.

    I’m here by her grace.

    Under her flag.

    She has taken form in my wife to be with and adore me.

    To help me.

    She is my greatest support my wife.

    I didn’t deserve her and I have not always been kind to her.

    She shows me what a furious relationship and love affair Pronoia has with us.

    I am pronoid.

    Brilliant of Dan to speak about pronoia.

    Nature is not conspiring in my favor any longer.

    She is right up in my grill.

    So I know pronoia is true.

    I think the hiding time is done.

    Frankly, I’m too happy to help save the world.

    Part of me knows, living this where I am, is enough.

    Dan is right, there wasn’t just one here, there were 100 billion.

    One big happy human family.

    Well, of course we have an essence guiding our race.

    The logos dummies.

    Isn’t life the damndest thing?!

    I can assure you, it has a purpose.



    Cybervue was one of the 20 I met.

    We dig each other’s YouTube channels.

    He says I have it.

    I say he does.

    I ask, what do we have?

    Life, abundantly.

    Did I ever take anything from you Ack?

    Did I ever take advantage of you or steal anything?

    No, we stood together.

    No, I was just there.

    I gave the only thing I can to a friend.

    My open heart.

    I showed up.

    I let it be and I really enjoyed our chats.

    I always saw you as myself.

    I gave to you, what I gave to myself.

    Same for you CS.

    You guys got personal and that showed something about you.

    Dan always gets personal, with anyone.

    Have you noticed that?

    Pass it on.

    That’s all.

    Show up.

    Be the god damn best human being you can be in a 1000 miles.

    When no one can else will, you do it.

    If not us, then who?

    If not this, then what?

    If not now, then when?

    It matters.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:01 am

    No, you never stole anything from me.

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    Post by dan Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:39 am

    Chivo has been born again........ washed in the blood 🩸 of the logos.  

    Hallelujah, sports fans.  

    I’ve been waiting forty years to have someone see the light.  

    The Logos fell into the chasm between the prophetic and the spiritual traditions.

    It did take science to help break the logjam....... conceptually and logistically.  

    It is important to note that both Chivo 🐐 and chick 🐥 are self taught........ dare I say polymaths?  

    Everyone of you, within the sound of our voices will not be able to escape the Logos.

    The Logos is our great Attractor in the sky 🌌.  

    The more you resist, the harder you will fall....... ultimately.  

    And what is the Logos......?

    It is nothing more nor less than a pronoid Agape.

    The Logos is the ultimate news 📰 from Nowhere........ which just happens to be ....... now, here.



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    Post by Cuan Scott Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:57 am

    Smelly

    Beautiful post - thank you for sharing.

    You are right. People fear sharing their own vulnerability and experiencing or witnessing the vulnerability in others..

    It scares the hell out of people

    I have had people in my life literally 'bail' after I shared by feelings..

    I didn't want anything just to share a feeling..

    On occasions it was very painful and you start not wanting to share any more for fear that you might cause upset or worst still, be deemed 'weak' 'stupid' or something in that local.

    I just was trying to be me - often times I got it hopelessly wrong but on occasion something must have clicked as like Jung says about two people interacting - like chemical interactions, both are changed.

    Being the best version of yourself is a challenge but like the guy who ran the Tai Chi class I attended
    a few times said to all of us once - you never stop refining your practice, even if you think you have got it down or got good.

    That makes sense to me.

    Then there is that old comment that echoes in my mind

    The words of James Brown 'This is a man's world' and I needed to toughen up

    I used to believe it, struggle with it and the rest

    I made peace with the struggle..

    Some may think being a bully wins you respect or gains you power - sure it may frighten you or some people but to me it doesn't make you strong or great and despite not knowing anything I can tell you this

    I don't think that which we call life will suffer it too long either

    Tyrants tend to in the end get shaken off like a bad case of fleas

    I sense the House expects all accounts to be settled before closing.

    Anyway what rubbish am I talking

    I am me, for better or worse I am just me - all I can do is make me the 'best me' I can and sometimes that is one step forward one and two step back.. but you keep getting up and trying..

    Nobody was digging into conspiracy more than me years ago.

    But the best understanding you will ever get is 50 % at best.

    All truths are nothing more than half truths or no truth

    So what now?

    who knows .. I know this.. no religion, church, no guru or institution is going to fix our problems

    some may say they even created them.. but didn't 'We the people' enable or create these? the institutions?

    so whose fault is it..

    Sure it is easy to see suffering and empathize with the suffering and injustice in our world and not just might I add, to the human species

    I didn't grow up with Philosophy and in relation to everyone here I know by far, the least in just about everything but the little I know marries well with the Philosophy I grew up which in the most part was thanks to my mum, another child of the 60s and her record collection.. the music and the artists clearly left a message with me as they did to millions..

    Buffy Saint Marie said it right

    "Doesn't the war come easy and the peace come hard"

    Sure we all can sit and score points over "I am right, you are wrong etc"

    but then like Ronnie Dunn sang 'we are both losing' because we all bleed red.

    so what to do to solve our problems, because to use a chick expression;

    Sports fans, they are 'Our problems' not just mine or yours

    I will leave it here, think Don just about covers it









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    Post by dan Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:07 am

    1800z........

    Unfortunately, Scott, your video is blocked in other countries....... you could just give a title or a quote.

    So, Scott, are you ready to get on the Logos bandwagon, and save the world?

    We now have science, Buddhism and Christianity...... as wind in our sails.  

    Only the Logos has the potency to unite us.  

    Science thought it had a hegemony on the Logos.

    In Truth, science could never touch it...... not with a ten foot pole.

    The Logos is all around us, but it can only be verified from within.  

    That is Agape........ and Amore.  

    What the world needs now is Logos sweet Logos.  

    It’s the One thing there is just too little of.  

    This will be as easy as falling off a log 🪵.  

    If it’s so easy, where is the fun 🤩?  

    Little chick 🐥 is sorry 😞, but you all have free tickets to the biggest show on Earth.  

    Attendance is not compulsory....... but almost 😅.  

    I’d like to see the jet 🛩 pack that you’ll need to escape the Great Attractor.

    Wait a minute...... there is an escape clause........ it’s called tree 🌲 hugging....... hugging 🤗 as if your life depended on it.  


    1900.........

    Don’t you just wish that the show could go on forever?  

    Well....... it can and it can’t.  

    This show is time critical.  

    It is the show to end all shows.  

    Time is nothing but a sequence of shows....... put them together, and they have a beginning, a middle and an end.

    This is what time is about.  

    When we’ve had enough of time, we’re ready for Eternity.  

    If you want more time....... you’d better pick out your tree 🌲 to hug 🤗.  


    2100..........

    Without foot and Princess, I no longer stand a snowball’s chance of having a spot in the prophetic lineup....... BFD 🙄!  

    But I guarantee that there won’t be a paradigm shift..... a new vision.... without the benefit of a visionary.  

    That visionary will necessarily have a prime spot in the lineup.  

    But, wait another minute........ how would that visionary claim to be innocent 😇 of little chick 🐥?  

    The internet makes for a small world.  

    I mean, there can only be one small world.  

    You poor folks, you may be stuck with the chick 🐥.  

    I guess there are worse fates.  

    Google..... small world Eschaton...... and we’re on the third page.

    Or..... best possible world..... we also make the third page.  

    If you add ufos 🛸 and/or foot 🦶 to that mix, it would be kinda hard to miss the bread crumbs.  

    Anyone for managing magic?  

    Oh, well, c’est la vie.  

    We’ll let the historians figure it out..... that’s what they get paid for.  

    And I almost forgot good old Keith K and his hatchet 🪓 job.

    A headless chick 🐥 would also be hard to miss.  

    And again we’re back to the BFD 🙄....... so the heck what?  

    The only point is that it seems logical to have a person associated with personalism.  

    Why can’t the jguy just be the only one?  

    That’s a good question.  I didn’t write John 16.  

    What is the point of 16?  Couldn’t we leave it out?  

    Well, in geometry we learn that it takes two points to define a line.  

    That’s all.......
    Don't know much trigonometry
    Don't know much about algebra
    Don't know what a slide rule is for

    But I do know one and one is two
    And if this one could be with you
    What a wonderful world this would be

    What can a chick 🐥 say?  Sorry 😞.  

    Not to mention 4M/K/X2.......

    Somebody has to play cleanup.  

    Maybe on the glory train 🚂 chick 🐥 will get to ride caboose.  


    2300.......

    So, if persons are not a cosmic accident........ end of story...... end of history.  

    Is any of this rocket 🚀 science 🧬?  

    It’s just a walk in the park.  

    There was hardly ever a challenge....... internally or externally.  

    I understand completely that folks can be more than a bit hesitant confused about all this.  

    We’re just waiting for the cosmic trigger.  

    Trigger, trigger...... who’s got the trigger?  Not me, for sure.  

    History is all about not knowing the future.  

    Once the sky 🌌 starts falling, most of the guess work goes away.  

    We just follow the light.  

    And this is the Mahayana....... wide path.  

    It’s the unobstructed Monad.......
    When I die take my saddle from the wall
    Strap it on my pony, lead him out of the stall
    Throw my bones on his back, turn our faces to the west
    And we'll ride the prairie that we love the best.



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    FBI investigating illegal "aliens" sighted by airline pilot flying their cosmic crypto wallets down to Earth ... ;-)

    https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fbi-aware-of-american-airlines-possible-ufo-sighting-stops-short-of-confirming-investigation


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    Post by dan Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:00 am

    1600z........

    Science has tried to hijack the Truth.  

    It has gotten away with it for four hundred years...... among the intelligentsia.  

    The only response has been a very tepid secular humanism.  

    Secular humanism stands no chance against fascism....... modern day nationalism.  

    Democracy can survive only within some forms of capitalism.  

    Capitalism can survive only under the rubric of material progress.  

    I can’t prove that material progress is at an end.  

    For a large segment of the population, the notion of endless progress is supported by the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH).  

    Along this line, we have Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos setting off to colonize space.  

    The are desperately attempting to keep the blue sky dreams of endless material progress alive.  

    I humbly submit that they are exercising very poor judgment.  

    In fact, their judgment in this regard is so poor that we might wonder if they are part of the Coverup...... wittingly or not.  


    1850..........

    Here’s something else about Elon that makes no sense........

    Besides rockets 🚀, he’s also big on the virtual reality hypothesis.  

    chick 🐥 is sorry, but there is no way in the world that rockets and the VRH can mix.  

    That mixture just doesn’t compute.  

    If we inhabit a virtual reality, before you send rockets into virtual space, you really ought to check in with the big programmer in the sky 🌌.  

    Maybe Elon did check, and the programmer told him that she needed some extra cover, before she pulls the plug 🔌.  


    So, back to latter day fascism.......

    Original/tribal participation is a lot easier to grasp than final participation.  Every wannabe tyrant is preaching to his or her tribe.

    That is not rocket 🚀 science 🧬...... it’s just identity politics.  

    Folks know that the time for a messiah is coming around.  

    They imprint on the first thing that comes along and waddles like a messiah, which, in our case is Donald Trump....... the Antichrist.  

    There are still a few Republicans around whom donny does not own.  There are still a few Christians who have not swallowed the bait.  

    If they are ever going to ditch Trump, their window of opportunity is closing fast.  He’ll never be weaker than right now....... and time is awasting.  

    Are the royals quite so clueless about donny....... or are we still using him for cover........ kinda like Elon is being used?  

    If I were doing that, I wouldn’t want to have to explain it to Saint Peter at the pearly gates.  I think I’d need a permission slip...... notarized.  

    Is chick 🐥 their permission slip....... their get out of jail free card?  

    Max Tegmark is another guy who is probably being used. I think he is smart enough to see beyond his own mathematical universe hypothesis (MUH).  

    The MUH is only a half step away from VRH, which is only a half step away from the BPWH.  

    Ok, Max doesn’t want to have to turn his collar around.  

    But how far away is the decision point...... the point of no return..... the point beyond which we’ll no longer be able to stand on ceremony?  


    2030.........

    Here’s the question........

    Are we playing a game of chicken 🐓 or of chicken little 🐥?

    When it comes to opening the portals, I’d much rather be too early than too late.  

    If donny is still in the game, we can be sure he’s on the side of the Coverup.

    His political longevity may well correlate with longevity of the Coverup.  

    If you want the portals to stay shut...... then donny’s your guy.  

    Don’t come crying Crying or Very sad to chick 🐥, if your feathers 🪶 get caught in the pearly gate....... on the way out.  



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    Post by dan Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:19 am

    Last night...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t338p600-livin-your-best-life#35025 ..... Chivo refers to UG Krishnamurti.  

    I’m sure that UG would disavow it, but his notion of the ‘natural state’ correlates considerably with the notion of the best possible world...... seen from the perspective of the individual.

    I had forgotten that Chivo subscribes to UG.

    I point out this correlation as it came up indirectly in my periodic reversion to the questioning of the BPWH.......

    My favorite question is to ask myself about the ontology of the Sun.  

    Science has an elaborate, but very nice explanation for the provenance of the Sun.

    Even before latching on to pratītyasamutpāda, I speculated, along the lines of relationalism, that the Sun 🌞 and sunflower 🌻 were causally related, in a bidirectional sense.  

    One might recall the ‘daisy world’ that is used as a model for the Gaia hypothesis.  

    We can say that the Sun is the engine of metabolism....... but why metabolism?  

    Allegedly, there is no sun and no metabolism on the other side.  

    One might suppose that the Sun is the motor of the Earth, and the Earth is the motor for the other side.  

    Metabolism is the essential regulative device for processes on this side...... having to do with the ‘level playing field’ and the like.  

    The Logos Spermatikos and metabolism are very closely correlated, after all....... otherwise the I Am could only float in the abyss..... as the Sun does, according to science.  

    It is the sunflower that provides an ontological anchor for the Sun..... in our relational world.  

    It may seem that we have gotten ourselves rather far removed from UG Krishnamurti, but we’ll get back, eventually.  

    Before going much further, I have to confess that I don’t believe in motors....... but, paradoxically perhaps, I do believe in metabolism and the Logos Spermatikos.  

    The Sun is an essential ingredient of the Logos.  

    If it didn’t already exist, the I Am would have had to invent it.  

    It didn’t....... so She did..... in other words.  

    It seems that the I Am is a very busy bee 🐝, existing as a seeming contradiction to the life of UG.

    This could be a point of dialogue with Chivo....... oxymoron which that might be.

    In the end, chick 🐥 maintains that Creation is like falling off a log...... it comes naturally to us....... 24/7..... just ask UG.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:16 am

    If you want a guru, pick an anti-guru.

    The rest are liars.

    Really, totally full of shit.

    You have to get past UG on the way out or you are pretending.

    He calls bullshit.

    A true smelly goat.

    But, in his cynicism is a cheat.

    He hit the wall and it blew him to pieces.

    Then he laughed at all the confused apes looking for answers.

    On his deathbed he told everyone to go to hell.

    I think he overdid the act a little bit.

    Death is a time for kindness.

    He was kind of a dick.

    He’s in your grill.

    I call bullshit too on all the idiots.

    He says you come for answers, no no no, you are wrong, let your answers go.

    Now that is a god damn good anti-guru.

    You have to walk backwards and then you see UG.

    The world must reach maximum idiocy.

    You know, I would have been happy to live in Athens or as a rich Roman.

    Those people did some living.

    UG will dash your hopes.

    You will try to protest, but ultimately, you say, well shit, he’s right of course you realize.

    But in that is a gift.

    The naked experience of being.

    You can relax into this.

    But we all do seek the ultimate pleasure.

    Don’t fool yourselves.

    They bow at the alter of the golden trump and they could be dashing their hopes against the rocks like me and UG.

    It’s fun.

    Poor fools.

    They are missin it big time.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:50 pm

    UGK could be the ultimate anti-guru...... but he wasn’t playing with a full deck.

    Perhaps he is as close to the I Am as anyone can get....... floating in the Abyss.  

    The I Am did not have a full deck.

    But we also have Creation to deal with........ we are also creatures.  

    We cannot deny that aspect of ourselves.  

    We, finally, have the full deck. We are not floaters.

    The Logos Spermatikos is not the I Am...... not quite.

    Each of us is that........ we have the full set of cosmic genes 🧬.

    We are headed back to fertilize the Source........ Omega =>> Alpha.

    We are the cleanup crew.



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    Wittgenstein found that the philosophers to date had done their best to talk about what can’t be spoken of.

    The meaning of life, beauty, morals.

    Is it true that everything that matters most to us can’t be said?

    He felt, great, natural science has said what can be said, but all the rest is still unaddressed, the parts that matter to us.

    I think UG came to the same place.

    UG was of course mad.

    Completely beyond our culture.

    But sometimes you have to meander into madness if you want to know, there is no guarantee you will return.

    Look at poor UG.

    He realized life and then became a barking dog.

    But secretly he loved beauty and his loved ones.

    But he hid that.

    I have seen some moments he was just loving his friends and family.

    That is my favorite UG.

    His public face was a puzzle.

    I think he hid his heart.

    He didn’t see the point.

    I think that was a wrong move.

    There may be no point beyond the act.

    But you will do it.

    Only a person living in the present can be happy.

    Death is not a fact of life.

    In life there is no death.

    Yes, some realize that once they have climbed the ladder, you must throw it away.

    That’s the hard part you practice until you can do it.

    You can’t throw the ladder 🪜 away until you climb it.

    Until you see through all the words.

    You surmount all propositions.

    Then one can see clearly.

    “Whereof one cannot speak, therefore one must be silent.”

    “Find what you love and let it kill you.” —Bukowski

    All the searching ends in silence 🌊

    The stone masters climb 🧗‍ like it’s their last day on 🌎  every climb.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:34 am

    Love this post and feel the same about UG.

    I think UG was as close to ground as one can be.

    The videos we see of him are mostly recordings of seekers going to him looking for answers and he responded with a certain degree of intensity knowing that the problems were born out of the answers we already have.

    He was inviting the seeker to give up, knowing that was the only way the confusion would end.

    The end of his seeking came when one day he asked himself how he would know when he had become an enlightened man, and realized that question had no answer.

    That was the end of his individual seeking self and the beginning of what he called the natural state.

    I feel the degree of his anti-guru intensity often matched the intensity of the seeker that came to him looking for answers.

    Most of the videos we see of him are from seekers going to him and turning on a video camera, so of course his intensity was fairly high in these moments knowing he knew nothing.

    I don’t think he hid his heart as much as one might think watching videos online though.

    I remember skimming through this book about him written by someone who spent some time around him in a variety of situations and it’s clear that he was not always as intense as depicted in many of the recordings of him.

    https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Sage_and_the_Housewife

    In the immediate aftermath of ones own ‘calamity’ the logos might seem like dog vomit to a dog, but ya, it’s all we have.

    All we can do is dialogue.

    We can’t wake anyone else up.

    We can only wake ourselves up.

    We learn to accept the limitations of the logos and we relax.

    The thing I always measure myself against is my own ease.

    Do I feel at ease in this moment with what appears here as this?

    If not, am I at least at ease that I am not at ease?

    Ha!

    That tends to bring me back to ease quicker than trying to force myself to conform to some idea of how I think I ought to be.

    So I go with the flow and work out my shit every day.

    What else can one do?



    P.S. Sorry I was a dick recently.

    “ Whereof one cannot speak, therefore one must be silent.”

    We are all here playing with our own toys 🧸.
    That’s what life is.

    Exploring our self through our own self interests is all that we have.

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