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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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Post by dan Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:02 am

First topic message reminder :

We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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Post by hobbit Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:58 am

"Solar observation"

Bees are far cleverer than that, they navigate via the geometric matrix, I am such a geek as to OBSERVE them and check exactly what they are doing.
I used to collect wasp nests for fishing by observing their flight paths.

Now I observe via My dowsing, and thus observe nature in this way.

No matter how supposed clever all these scientists are , they are buffoons aside nature, and don't have a clue about nothing.


There are far more things in heaven and Earth than meets the eye Dan.

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Post by dan Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:03 am

1500z........

..... far more things in heaven and Earth than meets the eye.
Yes, very good point.  

We are such visual creatures that we often just take observation to be visual.

A little secret, just between you and me......... I don’t even believe in vision.  

‘Vision’ is just how we project our dreams onto the world....... this is getting a little bit ahead of ourselves.  

And, of course, the dreams don’t belong to us....... we belong to the Dream.  

There is but one Dream and one Dreamer....... the best possible Dream.  

Ok..... I jumped the gun...... long story, short.  

If there exists a better way to understand the world...... please be my guest...... or I will be yours....... and, please, don’t start telling me about the Big Bang.  

If there is a Matrix of existence, there can only be one such.  

How so?  

Are there not numerous systems of mathematics, for instance?

I suggest not.

Every mathematical system can fit into one mind.  

This is just the definition of universality.  

If there is a mathematical system that cannot be conceived, I submit that it does not exist.  

This is just the definition of existence...... again.

To be is to be conceivable.  

I can conceive of a worst possible world.  

But, I submit, that it therefore must exist within the best possible world........ and, guess what...... it does so exist....... something like Dante’s ninth circle of Hell.

If there were another mind and another Matrix....... one would simply subsume the other, especially sub specie aeternitatis.  

Oh, yes, Nature is very inventive, but she cannot out invent Mind..... well, unless we suppose them to be one and the same....... which chicken little 🐥 does......... more or less, by definition.  


Now we can get back to the I Am.......

I’ve suggested that the first thing that the I Am does is go stark raving mad....... as in an isolation tank...... or as on a drug trip.  

Of course, that is speaking very colloquially...... as the chick 🐥 is wont to do.  

This is to suppose that space and time are, somehow, preexistent.

Did space and time exist before the Big Bang?  

Well, leave it to the physicists to invent cosmic Inflation...... along with Multiverses...... this is their best response to the Anthropic problem..... which is tantamount to the measurement problem.  

What was inflating, if it wasn’t time and space?  

Well, sports fans...... physics is a lot like throwing peanut 🥜 butter 🧈 against the wall....... you see what sticks....... or you run it up a flagpole and see if anyone salutes.  


1700........

It’s pretty hard to imagine a Creator without a Creation.  

Thinking of the Logos Spermatikos....... the best possible world would have been a gleam in the eye 👁 of the I Am, from the git go.  

That’s why she didn’t have to go crazy 😜.  

Were there not any I Am abortions?

Heck, no.   The best possible world is right to life.......

If there were any orphan I Am’s out there, they would likely be imagining their imaginary playmates.......

I mean....... great minds think alike.......

How can we distinguish the great thoughts of great minds?  

I can only appeal to Gottfried’s PII........ the principle of the identity of indiscernibles.  

Can a universe consist of two objects?

Well, someone would have to count them......

And, anyway, we spend a goodly proportion of our time imagining the best possible Creator...... imagining the best possible Creation.  

That’s how the Ouroboros works ♾.  


1830........

If there were more than one I Am, they would have had the better part of Eternity to locate each other and get in sync.  

If you wake up in the middle of Nowhere, a top priority would be to locate someone else........ telepathically or otherwise.  

Then you would collaborate on some sort of creation.  

When would the shooting start?  

At some point, there would be Olympiads on Olympus....... there would be winners and losers.  

At some point, gender specificity would set in.......  

We know the drill.......

When do physics and biology set in?  

Physics...... at the Olympiads, would be a likely scenario.  

They would both be integral to the best possible world.  

It would have to happen when symmetry breaking set in.

First there would be identity........ then difference.  

All the while, the I Am is covering her tracks.

The way home is barred....... the Sojourn begins.  


We are at the boundary between logical and chronological time.

The best possible world has a time horizon.  At some point the clock of history....... recorded history...... begins.  

Keep in mind that the BPW is embedded in Eternity.  

The Alpha and Omega are illusions relative to the Metanarrative.  

We are embedded in the Metanarrative........ don’t we know it.  

Disclosure is intimately enmeshed with the Omega.

The Omega is intimately enmeshed with the Alpha...... just ask the jguy.  He has seen love from both sides, now....... BC/AD.  

If the jguy didn’t already exist, we would have had to invent him...... and it’s some of both, we may rest assured.



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Post by hobbit Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:43 pm

Dan,

If this man is correct, and to My strange senses He is correct, Your end time hopes and dreams are about to come true.

It won't be 99% die back, but 100%.

https://vernoncoleman.org/videos/covid-19-vaccines-are-weapons-mass-destruction-and-could-wipe-out-human-race

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Post by dan Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:13 pm

Poor, hobbit,

You are being irresponsibly ignorant.  

You are suggesting that all vaccinations are detrimental.

Vaccination has been in wide use for over two centuries.  

Billions of us are alive because of their disease prevention properties.  

Many of us have had upwards of a hundred vaccinations.  

In our country it is mostly the followers of Donald Trump who are refusing to be vaccinated.  

They are simply paranoid of anything the government does.  

The voices of you and Mr Coleman, etc, will, fortunately, have virtually no impact, relative to what Donald Trump has already perpetrated.  

If you have anything further say on this topic, I request that you say it on someone else’s thread....... preferably your own.  

Thank you.  



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Post by hobbit Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:44 pm

dan wrote:Poor, hobbit,

You are being irresponsibly ignorant.  

You are suggesting that all vaccinations are detrimental.

Vaccination has been in wide use for over two centuries.  

Billions of us are alive because of their disease prevention properties.  
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Me thinks You duth protest toooo loudly.

This is no vaccination, it is a sythetic drug to alter the mrna.


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Post by dan Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:39 pm

Ok, good, hobbit.  

There are many folks like you, who are naturally suspicious of anything new.

But this is not about altering mRNA.  It is artificial mRNA.  

All mRNA only lasts a day or two.

It only effects the immune system, where the effects may last a year or two.  

But, hey, I understand........ you are paranoid concerning anything the government says or does.  

There are many things about the future that should give cause for alarm.  On the scale of alarm, this should be near the bottom.  

If you are paranoid about the provenance of this particular virus 🦠, you have reason to be so.........

I believe that it occurred now as part of the larger disclosure operation that is mostly being managed from the other side.  

Is it part of a population control strategy?  

Only very indirectly.  

Yes, we are approaching our maximum population of humanity.  

Yes, there is a ‘reset’ from our final state, back to our initial state...... Omega =>> Alpha.  

Technically, these is not a reset........ it’s as if we get in a time machine and transport ourselves back into the Megalithic age.

This is simply another manifestation of the finite extent of our material existence.

This finitude is an essential feature of our best possible personal world.

Clearly, hobbit, you have made almost no effort to understand what is actually going on, here.

You simply carry on, trying to amplify your own ignorance and paranoia.



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Post by BewilderedBird Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:33 pm

I’m gonna take the mRNA vaccine, it’s incredible science.

I’ve been studying cell biology.

I have faith in science, just not that science sees it all.

Maybe I’ll grow a 3rd 🐐 horn or an extra tail?

You couldn’t make me much dumber.

Faith, my hobbit friend, a little is required in the BPW.
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Post by dan Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:55 pm

Well said, Chivo.  

Yes, the BPW requires the best possible amount of faith.  

We will still need science to help us make it through this eschatological regime.  

But science will be able to offer very little assistance, once we pass to the other side...... once we board the time machine to take us back to the Alpha....... back by way of the Monad, of course.  


The general level of paranoia will continue to increase, as we approach the Eschaton.  

hobbit evinces a relatively mild case of such.  

There are some who are much worse off........ I’m thinking of the die-hard Trump supporters, among many instances.  

They could easily tip us into mayhem.  

If there were to be such, we may rest assured that it will be the best possible amount of mayhem....... hopefully, as little as possible.  

I have some suspicion that foot 🦶 is actually upholding the Katechon...... Trump being the Katechist, if you will...... believing that he is actually holding back the mayhem.

And that might be the case, according to how little I know about what he is up to.



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Post by U Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:32 pm

Dan.

Trump being now an asterisk former president, what role would he play in disclosure?

The man seems to still be on yours and Chivo's minds while myself and others have moved on.
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Post by BewilderedBird Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:04 pm

Trump is a low water mark.

Dan and I are sounding out the sides of the river.

Mark Twain!

Pay attention.

He has not gone away.

Now I just saw the Q special on HBO.

Interesting.

Frogs crawl out of the swamps these days and sit in high places.

I have nothing against frogs 🐸

Near as I can tell, we have a lot of anarchists running around making fires.

Fanned by internal and external parties.

We are at war with ourselves.

I think we can hopefully have a weak revolution.

To quiet the herd down.

But they all live for lies and betray their own true 🔥

I marvel at the stupidity of man, and my own.

I wouldn’t have believed it unless I lived it.

There is no where to move onto but here.

Words, must be careful with one’s words.

I’m trying to be paranoid.

I’m trying to care about politics.

I’m tryin real hard, not.

But...nope...nothing but still water.

Only my wife can disturb my waters.

And she is welcome to anytime.

We may be facing a non-apocalypse tied to the other side of time.

There may be a universe that split off backward from the event, a negative world.

Kind of makes sense.

Everything has an opposite and balances until it doesn’t.

One should not be distracted by out there.

One should be focusing and repeating their practice.

You are gonna need calm and vision.

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Post by dan Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:37 pm

U,

Yes, Trump and Q have not gone away.......... think deep state........ the irony of it.

This would be Katechon territory....... with all its reversals.  

This is where the foolhardy would play....... with the emphasis on fool.


0310........

Run silent, run deep.

Friends of the Abyss.

foot claims that Q was appropriated at some appropriate juncture.


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Post by U Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:43 pm

Indeed Dan, thank you.

A fool can be a Mule.

Do you know Q?

I know you know R.

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Post by GSB Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:10 am

Drones open portal into "higher level visibility"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39913/multiple-destroyers-were-swarmed-by-mysterious-drones-off-california-over-numerous-nights


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Post by dan Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:22 am

Thanks, Gary,

This could be a move toward Disclosure, on the part of both sides.  

There is the ufo report that has been requested by Congress, due in June, I believe.  
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The big question is at what point will any such disclosure touch upon the prophetic dimension.  

That would be the only real tipping point.  

If there exists no such dimension...... no vision..... our descent into chaos will not abate, and probably accelerate.  

The only guidance from foot on this matter was to tout a great reset.  

foot has always had the notion of an ELE coursing through his veins.  

The one confrontation we had was in Majorca...... when I broke the Princess’ toenail...... with my shin.  

What’s a little chick 🐥 to do?  

I attribute foot’s confusion to his failure to distinguish the Alpha from the Omega, in the best possible world.  

This same confusion is the source of most of the paranoia that is rampant in the world.  

Folks understand that there is something to disclose.  

It is entirely understandable that they would assume the worst.  

This pervasive paranoia will certainly abet the chaos.  

At some point, our downward spiral would become irreversible.  

The Abyss beckons.  

Is there some great apprehension about a premature Disclosure?  

What could that be?  

Or is it only the Elites trying to squeeze out their last drops juice?  

Likely, it is not the apprehension about a premature Disclosure, so much as the simple realization that a civilization is sustainable only under the aegis of a Coverup....... keeping the lid on...... be it the scientific canopy or the sacred canopy...... the point beyond which the our cosmic shell shows its cracks, in some incontestable, unavoidable fashion.  

Will it be possible to interpret this denouement in anything other than a prophetic context?  

Folks will try, but the various establishments will be operating with a greatly reduced base of credibility.  

The only biblical support will come with John 16.  

That is a slender reed, but there it is in black and white.  

If there were an extraterrestrial component, it would have a lot of ‘splainin to do.  The ETs have missed their cue....... too many times..... sorry.



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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:45 am

The elite are building ELE survival bunkers in New Zealand.

Predicted to be safest place in a nuclear exchange.

Well, someone just has to chuck a few nukes over New Zealand and that’s done.

They aren’t really in charge.

They are just muppets with money and illusion of control.

They have none.

Capitalism is not compatible.

Thankfully, it will likely end.

True communism is our future Wink

Take that evangelical and proud boy muppets.
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Post by PerplexedPuppy Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:18 pm

I don’t know what True Communism is but I did a little reading on communism vs anarcho/libertarian-communism.

I found this distinction on Quora to be to my satisfaction.

Anarcho-communists are part of the large anarchist movement which is an umbrella for every kind of ideology and spirituality that wants the abolition of the State.

Anarcho-communists have their roots in the French Revolution and are more divers then the Marxists.

Simply put-they are the kind of libertarians that if the State disappears,they would organize themselves after the communist principles.

The main difference between the two is the fact that the communists believe that they should impose through revolutions ( trotskyism)or through governmental force (leninism) a communist society on everybody but the anarcho-communists just want the chance to live after the communist principles themselves.

It is worth everybody´s time to enter on an anarchist forum and see how bitterly the right wing anarchists fight with the left wing anarchists . So we are safe,they even can not stand each other Smile.

The most famous anarhco -communist it is Noam Chomsky(anarcho-syndicalism in his definition),the most famous communist it is Stalin ,so the difference it is quite important.


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Post by PerplexedPuppy Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:39 pm

Alright, catching the smelly drift here.

“Evangelical and proud boy”

He was talking anarcho-communism or something seemingly similar

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Experience your ELE in style: https://abiboo.com/projects/dbx-bunker/
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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:38 pm

It's kinda complicated Ack, you have to look at the Marxists, Structuralists and the Post-Structuralists.

What these guys were all saying basically is look, we fucked up. We are way off course, turn back or in or whatever now.

Like right now!

Our whole idea of progress and economics is wrong, we are dying, we are unsustainable.

Democracy is great, look at 20th century, which has bequeathed us nuclear oblivion in a dead universe.

Now you throw in the new Right and Left and new UFO religion and it seems to me Disclosure is an evil thing.

Propagated by an evil inhuman system, now maybe unstoppable.

Let's be honest, no one is stoppin this train.

We got nothing else.

That's why I had to let all this existential dread go.

In the End Times, act natural and go with the flow, don't fight it.

Live everyday like it's your last and you really can chill.

Was it any different in the chaotic times of the Romans?

Maybe speed the crash up, seems some are pursuing this.

Maybe try to resist closure and disclosure?

People think Disclosure is some holy grail, I don't think so.

I don't trust muppets, so...

If they want to nuke it all, go with it, enjoy your radiated death, maybe we will glow.

If they want to kill everyone in a holy war, be more holy than them.

If it shall be a virus, where you gonna hide?

I have been going through Deleuze's and Derrida's work most recently. Wow! So misunderstood and even I, who has only been reading them recently can see this. They trace back to Nietzsche and Heidegger.

‘Félix Guattari and I have remained Marxists, in our two different ways, perhaps, but both of us. You see, we think any political philosophy must turn on the analysis of capitalism and the ways it has developed’ --Gilles Deleuze

They call out the hidden assumptions in our system. They are onto something deep. Something that exposes Capitalism. And their predictions have played out.

But this right wing bullshitz is no better.

Capitalism is the existential threat, the monster eating everything.

See Derrida's Specters of Marx.

See minor marxism.

Look at The Hoover Institute, a totally compromised pusher of falseness supported by the Koch's.

Consciousness profoundly manifests differently in different groups of people.

I was half joking that we are all gonna have to cut back and dismantle the engine of growth so we can hopefully move to sustainable politics and economics.

Can this happen without meltdowns or messiahs?

Seems the cycle of self destruction is only increasing in speed.

See differences between Derrida's différance and Deleuze's difference.

These are my interests, you can ignore me.

I may see into these things, but I have no influence or desire to engage anyone really about them.

The world will not listen to anti-capitalist ideas really, but I won't go along with this left/right wing nonsense.

There is a way around and underneath them.

The New World Order is not your friend.

The media is a monster.

Totalitarianism is a failure.

Nationalism may be needed, but whose?

Mutual self interest seems the only way and that is sad today that this is such a radical idea.

People are still just too stupid.

They don't see the big picture, they have to keep it local ultimately.

Source local food, grow local food and make local goods.

I'm condemned to radicalism it seems.

Maybe we get smarter later Wink


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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:49 pm

Foresaperire wrote:Experience your ELE in style: https://abiboo.com/projects/dbx-bunker/

Stationary = death I think. Imagine 1000 determined people wanting to open the door with explosives, guns and shovels.

Gonna die anyway, so who cares when?

The best hiding place is where there are no doors.

I suspect the worst and strongest will rule the land in the case of ELE.

In those days, there will be much misery and no one left to debate politics or economics or the implications of spirit as man eats man.
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Post by Foresaperire Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:00 pm

Smelly El Chivo wrote:
Foresaperire wrote:Experience your ELE in style: https://abiboo.com/projects/dbx-bunker/

Stationary = death I think. Imagine 1000 determined people wanting to open the door with explosives, guns and shovels.

Gonna die anyway, so who cares when?

The best hiding place is where there are no doors.

I suspect the worst and strongest will rule the land in the case of ELE.

In those days, there will be much misery and no one left to debate politics or economics or the implications of spirit as man eats man.

Dwight Schrute would have been proud of your response - yeah dude, my post was tongue in cheek mixed with a bit of irony. (there's not an emoji of a bird pooping on someone's head yet so I have to type it).

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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:14 pm

No where to hide, so the gig is up.
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Post by PerplexedPuppy Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:17 pm

Indeed.
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Post by BewilderedBird Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:23 pm

Everything I communicate is ironic and tongue in cheek these days For.

It is ironic in the golden age of the selfie and shallow internet, it is loss of identity, that brings most clarity.

We see what a sham we all are and then, you just can't keep a straight face in front of any muppet.

Can't hide in a philosophy, a nation, a religion, an idea or a word, or a tyrant.

Dance naked, beyond belief, and there is another kind of laughing.

Joy!

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