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We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

Here’s a partial glossary for the mnemonics....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t251p700-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2 .... scroll down.....

Don’t forget other topics pages.......  

https://bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm

https://bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/content.html

https://best-possible.fandom.com/wiki/Best_Possible_Wiki


Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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1330z........

On Saturday, we discussed the polarization between scientism and personalism.  

This could also be stated is the dichotomy between atoms and persons..... or as mind vs matter.  

If we place persons before atoms, ontologically, we’ve got a lot of ‘splainin’ to do.  

I will explain everything with the Logos Spermatikos...... or the I Am.  

Yes, the best possible world world has always been a gleam in the eye of the I Am.  

Or we are 10^10 characters in search of an author.  

In the BPW, every person is an essential facet of the I Am, with whom we will sit down and have a beer , at the end of the best possible Metanarrative.  

In the meantime, we’ve got all that ‘splainin’ to do.

And it would sure help if we could find us a portal..... or two.  

With regard to portals....... where there’s a will, there’s a way.  

And I don’t mean to denigrate atoms....... atom and Adam make a splendid pair........ as we will find out.  

Atoms are your basic portal.  They may be viewed as the counter-nexus to persons as the source of all entanglement.  

This is what vitalism and iPhones are all about.

All this entanglement can be viewed as cosmos/microcosm.

How did we go about making atoms?  

This problem reminds me of Adam’s navel......... it’s the omphalos paradox....... speaking of cosmic bootstraps....... chickens and eggs, etc.........

This is where the Logos Spermatikos comes to the rescue.  

Keep in mind the homunculus....... inside our heads, and inside every seed....... it’s the vital spark of inspiration...... our seminal..... whatever.  

The I Am needed a cosmic anchor....... voila the atom.  

The atoms were the pearls on Indra’s necklace....... each one reflecting all the others.  

And remember that there is only one electron...... and one soul.  

And even the scientists have to jump through hoops to explain how the Big Bang originated from something the tiny fraction the size of a proton.  

It’s magic...... all the way down.  

Physicists deploy mathematics to an unreasonable degree.  

We employ the Logos to similar effect....... and they are kissing cousins, after all.  


1430........

It’s all about the homunculus....... also known as preformatism.  

But, hey, we’ve explained all that with dna 🧬.

How does DNA work?  

About the same way that iPhones work........ where there’s a will..... there’s a way.  

Remember that telephones aren’t real...... telephony exists only as a bridge to cosmic telepathy....... which, in its turn, is our bridge back to the cosmic homunculus...... the I Am...... the heart of the cosmic bootstrap.  

And speaking of cosmic will....... this is just what teleology is all about.

Teleology is the outworking of the cosmic possibility....... potentiality...... potency.  

The picture is all very fuzzy........ up until it snaps into focus.  

It’s kinda like auto-focus....... where we’re the autos..... the difference between waking and dreaming.  The best possible world is our collective gestalt, if you will.  

Atoms and minds are our bridge back to the Monad...... each being an aperture to that effect........ it’s all about Quantum mind.  

Thunder perfect mind.......

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
........

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
.........

..... and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.

1600.........

Yes, the atom is God’s anchor baby.  

And we are each other’s anchor babies .  

Otherwise, we might just float off into an Ayahuasca dream.  

There’s a lot of entanglement in them thar families, etc.......

I have no more doubt about portals than I have about atoms....... just give chick an entangled will.  

I have seen it working with Kevin, Joe and the NSA...... just ask officer xxx in the Itacarambi constabulary.  

In the meantime, I’ve got this baby all to my little lonesome, thank you very much.  

And you can bet your bottom dollar that it’s all been choreographed..... sub specie aeternitatis...... enjoy the show.  donny was just the volunteer clown .  I think we managed to kill several birds with that stone.  It did kinda clear the playing field.  


1700........

I mean things my go better, all around, if we could just pull this off by word of mouth.

That was supposed to have been Chivo’s job....... after all, he’s got the biggest mouth around.



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The atom ain't the anchor, it's akin to a planet to the source that enables the anchor to be and to continue to be.

The atom is a 3D construct made and maintained by the source which is in 4D, and the atom is unique to the memory in 4D.

The atoms of pinocchio's nose will multiply as perfect copies if He lies due to the overall memory of pinocchio been programmed so.
New atoms will be created, and the more lies He tells the more atoms will form.

No-thing exists in 3D in the 4D flows of consciousness
hobbit

hobbit,

I’m not sure you totally get the gist.......

The atom is the ultimate mediator in the chain of cosmic entanglement.  

You could almost juxtapose the atom with the jguy.

The atoms are the pitons in our life line.  They keep us glued to the face of the cliff.

At some point, the pitons are going to pop out....... coinciding with the opening of the portals.

That eventuality is something about which our furry friend has nary a clue.



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It is not the atom keeping us glued to the surface, it is the field with polarity and equator
N
S
E
W

The four faces of vishnu , the pervader.

Every atom is enabled to be and is orientated inline with the dominant such field it is within.

That is what the so called gravity is, there is no gravity , it is all by field.
Biefeld Brown.


hobbit

Poor hobbit doesn’t understand the difference between metaphors and similes.  

I don’t either, but I’ll know an Eschaton when I see it.  

hobbit hasn’t experienced the great good fortune of having a piece of the sky fall on his little noggin........ history being just a tale of sound and fury as told by an idiot.  

hobbit is a cosmic mechanic trying to patch up our dream world.  

I guess you shouldn’t bring a knife to a gunfight.  

hobbit got a wrench for Christmas , and now he thinks that the whole world is just one big bolt.



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Kurma is the first incarnation of vishnu, it is depicted as a turtle.
A turtle has 13 sections on it's shell, 12 around 1.

My uncle fibonacci was well known in the vedas.

The tenth incarnation of vishnu is anticipated, this will bring about what You desire Dan.

idiot hobbit

Yes, it’s turtles all the way down.

And check out Giorgio de Santillana’s Hamlet’s Mill....... it’s all about churning the ocean of milk.  

And they don’t refer to little chick as 4M/‘K’/SoT/X2 for nothing.



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dan wrote:Yes, it’s turtles all the way down.

And check out Giorgio de Santillana’s Hamlet’s Mill....... it’s all about churning the ocean of milk.  

And they don’t refer to little chick as 4M/‘K’/SoT/X2 for nothing.



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https://www.veloasia.com/library/buckley/churning_milk.html

I am big friends with the serpents depicted at ankor wat.

As buddha I can sense them via the palms of My hands ( Why do You think they depicted jesus as been nailed via His hands????

hobbit

1840z........

hobbit,

The tenth incarnation of vishnu is anticipated, this will bring about what You desire Dan.

And what do you desire?

You understand, then, that Hamlet’s Mill refers to the precession of the Equinoxes, and specifically to the dawning of the present Aeon...... two thousand years after the commencement of the previous Age.

Does not the Omega draw nigh?  Many would say that it is about time.  

Are we not living on borrowed time?  


2020.........

Yes, we bury our heads very far into the atoms ......

It’s how we avoid confronting the hand writing on the wall.  

When personalism comes around again, as inevitably it must, we will know that the Mother of All Paradigm Shifts is knocking at our door.  

It will be our portal to end all portals.  

We mind our p’s and q’s........ we dot every ‘i’...... perhaps it will stay the hand of time.  

What rough beast..........?  Yes, donny was our Distractor in Chief.  

Anticipation hangs in the air...... our darkest hour......

As if someone had lifted a rock to expose our busy little nest.  

We need a portal about now, as much as we need a hole in the head.  

...... or so it seems.  

You get a better reading on donny&Co, once you see what they were railing against....... the desperation of it.  

Racism is a sop for the deeper fear....... I suspect.

And no one knows the day and hour...... heck, we might even invent a more efficient solar cell.  

Just that might keep us going for decades.  


Science comes equipped with its own sacred canopy....... it comes already decorated....... as most such canopies do.  

It’s canopy is air tight....... look, ma..... no holes .  

Well, that is until you start seeing a few gaps..... I guess mine is just a God of gaps.  

I’m especially taken by the gap between sentience and sapience.  

What number of mutations filled that gap?  Our DNA is...... what.... 95% similar...... to our last common ancestor.  Is that a lot or a little, but what a difference?  

We hit the jackpot ....... yes, the cosmic jackpot.  And what do we have to show for it....... a cosmic kewpie doll?  

I suspect that it’s a one way ticket back to the Monad.  

Folks would love to take them to the pawn shop.  

We have to be up on portals just enough to know that they can’t be weaponized.  

But I suspect they can be....... everyone is looking over everyone else’s shoulder.  

It’s easy to hide a portal on this side........ but not from the other side.



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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%203&version=NIV

So then We come to TIME, what is it?





hobbit

Why is there something, rather than nothing?  

And what is that Something?  

For those of us who don’t believe in the Big Bang, it behooves us to come up with an alternative.

The Big Bangers have got objectivity down pat.  

Subjectivity is another story.

That’s the story that I’m attempting to tell.  

My Big Bang is the I Am.  

The I Am violates the first rule of subjectivity....... relativity..... to be is to relate.  

The I Am is the primordial observer.  What to observe?

Well, ok, the I Am is self-aware.  

I don’t quite believe that.  

There can’t be a Self without a Non-self.  

We’re back to Spencer-Brown and Laws of Form...... with his “mark of distinction”.  

Well, Spencer never quite made it to subjectivity.  

For there to be difference, there has to be identity...... and we’re back to Leibniz....... the identity of indistinguishables (PII).  

And that is precisely where subjectivity enters the picture.  

There can’t be a distinguishable without a distinguisher.  

Is it legitimate to ask for the pedigree of distinguishability?  

Is that why Socrates got a free glass of KoolAide?  

There couldn’t be a Cain without an Able, even after Able got the Shaft.



(cont.........)

There is some-thing due to that which creates time/gravity.

hobbit

We create everything, hobbit, including, especially, each other.  

Gravity exists so that we can have a level playing field to run around on.  

Time exists so that we can tell stories.  

This is not rocket science, hobbit.  

There is plenty of complexity, but you’re not going to be able deal with complexity until you understand what is simple......... and you show no sign of that understanding.  

First things, first.  

You are having the tail wag the dog .

The world is by persons, for persons and about persons.

You think it is by dowsers, for dowser and about dowsers.

That’s being highly parochial....... and then you are paranoid to boot.

You have a hammer , and the whole world is your nail.

No, that’s little chick with his Eschaton....... if you want to do it right.



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It is You that doesn't understand the simple nature of creation.

There is no such force called gravity, it is a consequence of the net ratio of implosion over outrush.

The amount of creation here on this planet is compressing consciousness into becoming so called atoms, the consciousness that isn't utilised in creation reverses at the heart centre of the planet and outrushes due to attraction.
This ratio of implosion over outrush also determines so called time, hence time is gravity and gravity is time.

If You vary either You will effect the other.

You need to stop been offensive, it shows a weakness.


hobbit

dan wrote:We create everything, hobbit, including, especially, each other.  


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Hobbit,

I think the chicken is right.

I mean you would not know you are hobbit or me Scott where it not for all those persons.

You can't step outside your little rover and say - 'Hey, see thats me'

Seems to me we only know ourselves as individuated through the eyes of others'

I trust everyone is doing good

Hey CS, doin just fine post insurrection.

Did someone say Rush?



Oh, you meant another kind of rush.

Still, was meant to happen.

Get it, the paradox of free will and predetermined outcome

I breathe in, inrush and I breathe out, outrush.

That’s all you got to do.

Just keep breathin, until you can’t.

Pretty simple philosophy.

I call bullshit on all the rest of it, you crazy muppetz.

Shine on...



I have a message, it gets so easy you wouldn’t believe it.

And you are never bored.

In fact, I would love another 500 years

Alas, I must take advantage of all the time I have left.

No one else can.

Nice overview on Holons:

Hey, I’m breathin here.

Cuan Scott wrote:

dan wrote:We create everything, hobbit, including, especially, each other.  


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Hobbit,

I think the chicken is right.

I mean you would not know you are hobbit or me Scott where it not for all those persons.

You can't step outside your little rover and say - 'Hey, see thats me'

Seems to me we only know ourselves as individuated through the eyes of others'

I trust everyone is doing good

How's it going in the emerald isle?

I was not talking about the physical, 3D.
I was talking about the non physical sea of universe that the physical arises from.
just as a fish doesn't know it's in water, We are oblivious to the sea of universe.

That sea creates whirlpools that reverse but always desire to return to their original spin, the whirlpools occur in geometry meeting locations and replicate at all scale.
Thus each galaxy has countless satellite whirlpools within them.

Those whirlpools compress into 3D.

All 3D things are consequences of this in complexity.

The never ending flows of this sea of consciousness enable this creation and maintain the 3D memory, the planets memory enables vast longer memory time spans than We or anything within it's overal memory , hence a stone remembers to be a stone whilst We forget rapidly due to the small size of our individual field relative to the field of the planet.

The planets memory field is subject to long term variations relative to it's input/outputs of the galaxy as it traverses within the galaxies field.

Dan is anticipating the 26,000( aprox) memory reversal , and so am I, which will cause a mass forgetting especially on the surface area of the planet, perhaps several yards deep.

Then all memory will transfer into the galaxy memory field in 4D.

The memory then flowing into the planet will be at variant to present thus strange( to present) creations will form, there will be left over traces of the present especially in the seas.

Hobbits were in deep caves last time.

hobbit

Thank you, Scott,

It has been awhile.  

But poor hobbit, he has no clue as to what I am doing here.  

He has no clue about philosophy.  

He has no clue about himself.  

But, in modern times, it is the clueless leading the clueless.  


Poor Chivo and poor hobbit,  

...... but if it weren’t for them I would have no ‘choir’ to preach to.  


We wake up one day, and find ourselves in a very deep hole.  

We are surrounded by a great deal of noise........ ‘the best lack all conviction, and the worst are full of passionate intensity.’

We are lost ducklings in search of our mother....... we have no choice but to imprint on the first thing that waddles by.  

hobbit imprints on dowsing...... Chivo imprints on Nisragadata.  

I imprinted on the Bomb....... there was something there that we needed to pay attention to....... or it would be the end of us.  

The Bomb blew away the cobwebs.  

What was the Bomb doing here....... yes, grabbing our attention, but to what end?  

The cosmos had a message for us...... the Bomb was just the bottle.  

So I started examining the bottle, by diving into physics.  

After several years of diligently searching physics..... it seemed that the bottle was devoid of all meaning.  I gave up, and went fully existential.  

It was Jack Sarfatti’s cosmic ‘comic’ that woke me from my slumber of existentialism.  

My mistake was trying to look inside the bottle for a message.  

The bottle itself, was the message....... actually it was the shape of the bottle.  

The bottle had a singularly ‘Anthropic’ shape.

Obviously there was a design, but the scientists had only one handle on design, and that was Darwinism.  

The Anthropic Principle got caught in the chasm between science and religion....... it quickly became a no-man’s land....... off limits to both the secularists and religionists.  

So I began searching for the God of the Gap......

The closest I could get to any trace was John 16....... I had no choice but to latch on...... for dear life.  

That’s how smitty became little chick .........

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.  

I feel sorry for everyone else...... Either they say there is no Story, or they are waiting for Godot...... very patiently.  

Yes, we face the cosmic conspiracy of Truth avoidance.  

The message in the Bomb was the Anthropic Principle, but only one of us would be allowed to fully embrace it.  

It was a very personal message, and naturally it could only be delivered by........ a person....... it was, necessarily, a package deal....... the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth.  

Yes, if you want to know the Truth, all you have to do is look at the shape of its avoidance....... the Cone of Silence.  

Only two people have examined that Cone, and they have both come to the same conclusion........ that Cone has a peculiar shape...... it is shaped just like a foot 🦶.  

Keith Kloor cannot touch the foot 🦶, so he’s going to do his hatchet 🪓 job on little chick ....... as if the chick weren’t the easiest target in the world.  

And, yes, in the meantime, the Royal Palace is maintaining radio silence 🤫.  

Now that the virus 🦠 has thrown donny under the bus , there is going to come a slow news day.......

I am a lineman for the county
And I drive the main road
Searching in the sun for another overload.
I hear you singing in the *Wired*
I can hear you thru the whine
And the Wichita Lineman
Is still on the line.
I know I need a small vacation
But it don't look like rain.
And if it snows that stretch down south
Won't ever stand the strain.
And I need you more than I want you.
And I want you for all time.

And so we have a choice...... we can be paranoid or pronoid.



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[quote="hobbit"]

Cuan Scott wrote:

dan wrote:We create everything, hobbit, including, especially, each other.  

How's it going in the emerald isle?

I was not talking about the physical, 3D.
I was talking about the non physical sea of universe that the physical arises from.

I'm good thanks Hobbit.

Heeding Smelly's advice - Breathing in and out lol

Been some tough times over the past months but hasnt it been for everyone in one way or another. Isn't there something somewhere about tough times create strong and perhaps wiser people..

Does not the experience of the hard allow us to know and appreciate all the more that of comfort?

Anyway as with all things these times too shall pass

How are you and all the other hobbits over there in the Shire?

I trust all is well with you and your loved ones.

I understand you are talking about the 3D and as the least technically and science minded muppet here I wouldn't wish to question your hypothesis. I very much enjoy your posts.

That said, I find myself asking, 'if the Aether be the medium, what is causing or initiating all the activity, what's causing us? Awareness?

Is that not the first person?

Does that not make the activity in the medium an 'effect' rather than the primary cause?

Never mind me.. I know I am a muppet

Dan,

Indeed, it has been a long time.

I trust all is well stateside?

Seems I haven't missed all the chicken has to share

Quoting Jimmy Webb lyrics now

Just breathe guys.

I got nothing else.

Keep it simple muppets.

Yes, Scott is asking the most obvious question of hobbit...... what’s it all about, Alfie?  

hobbit steadfastly refuses to answer.  

hobbit must believe that any reasonable answer would incriminate him.  

Any reasonable answer will incriminate all of us.  

That’s why the best of us lack all conviction, while the worst of us, like the ‘deplorables’, are filled are filled with passionate intensity.  

donny is a serial exploiter of any and all weakness, so he leapt right into the breach....... foot 🦶 first, if you will.  

chick can bide his time....... chick has all the time in the world.  

I’m just waiting for that really..... really slow news day......

Sleepy Joe is just my kinda guy.  


Yes, any reasonable answer to Scott’s question will put all of us in the cosmic spotlight....... just like the deer in the headlights.  

All along we’ve been thinking that we could keep our heads down, and just mind our own business.

No such luck, sports fans!



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The bomb.

The release of the compressed consciousness triggering a chain like reaction of further such.
So called radiation been the spent material trying to regain consciousness, thus if You meet such Your skin will forget as You are stripped of Your supply of consciousness.

Awareness.

Is in the field of consciousness ( aether) that each so called atom is within, it contains the information not either of our two brains.

Each person is within their own unique field and all the atoms that compound to be that person are within that field, as each person is within the field of the planet, as the planet is within the galaxy field......add infinitum.

Inspector clueless hobbit

So there is no reason for all of this........ just wheels within wheels.  

It is just the Myth of the Eternal Return.  

Ours is not to reason why...... ours is but to do and die.  

All we have to do is keep our little treadmills spinning....... ad infinitum.  

Beyond the end of his dowsing rod, the world is none of hobbit’s business......... and he’ll be damned if he will allow anyone else to take a crack at it........ over his furry dead body.  

Oh, yes, if there is one thing we are all champions at....... it is maintaining the cosmic silence........

“Fools", said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed
In the wells of silence

Donald Trump stumbled onto the biggest treadmill of all....... it’s all mine....... it’s all mine...... he shouted into the gathering storm.



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