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We really shouldn’t forget the old mnemonic postings....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2  

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Here’s more mnemonics...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t236p425-hello-cy-omf-ii-part-2

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And we talk to the devil as much as we can.

If any human has no poetry, they are ignorant.

“Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own.”

“Nothing should be treasured more highly than the value of the day.”

“One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable words.”

—Goethe

That’s how I live.

The devil has to convince humans that they are the problem on earth, they are the cause of global warming.

Gates is the devil incarnate, every sense I have is repelled from that piece of shit.

This planet can be whatever We so desire, He desires fear and the removal of humans from this planet.

Remember that the devil is the great deceiver, smiling whilst He injects the children, convincing all that he wants to save them.

hobbit

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9qag/how-to-escape-the-confines-of-time-and-space-according-to-the-cia

hobbit wrote:The devil has to convince humans that they are the problem on earth, they are the cause of global warming.

Gates is the devil incarnate, every sense I have is repelled from that piece of shit.

This planet can be whatever We so desire, He desires fear and the removal of humans from this planet.

Remember that the devil is the great deceiver, smiling whilst He injects the children, convincing all that he wants to save them.

hobbit

The devil can only a deceive a liar.

The devil is an optimizing function.

Optimization problem: Maximizing or minimizing some function relative to some set, often representing a range of choices available in a certain situation. The function allows comparison of the different choices for determining which might be “best.”

You have to learn to make the best choices.

There is a way to use the devil in this.

No one is really our enemy.

Even if they think they are.

Chivo,

I’d like to know what’s wrong........

They decide what makes them feel best and then they construct conspiracy theories that help them convince themselves why that's true.

Is there any other way to live that is even slightly constructive?  

The only alternative is to complain incessantly, like hobbit and Chivo.


hobbit,

I’m not into sustainability.

Sustainability is oxymoronic with regard to eschatology.

I have never heard hobbit have a single constructive thing to say..... about anything.



(cont.........)

I don’t complain.

I offered a way to live.

My whole act on OMF is how best to live.

Dan, you ignore me.

I have been consistent with this.

Each has to figure that out on their own.

Focus on today.

“One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable words.”

That’s a good start ^^^ how to right the ship of fools.

Q is not joy.

Q is death.

Chivo,

Ok, you go on about the best way to live, as if you were the only person on Earth.  

I recognize the simple fact of our being social.  

We live in a world.

You then go on to complain endlessly about other people not being more like you.  

That would be true hell, if everyone in the world lived just like Chivo.  

Then there is question of whether the best possible world needs to be constructed from the bottom up or the top down.  

Clearly we need some of both.  

The obvious device to employ in the construction is John Rawls’ Veil of Ignorance.  

These preliminary considerations are solved automatically by starting from the point of view of the Universal Quantum Observer or simply the I Am.    

And then realizing that we can employ Wheeler’s One Electron Theory with regard to persons........ this gives us Chivo’s world, as its first approximation.  

Chivo wants to stop right there.  

There would be no time or history...... or even space.  

We can each just have our own isolation tank.  

End of story?  Chivo would quickly lose his mind.  

That is the end of the Solipsist’s story.  

Most folks would not wish to quit there.  

An early question arises........ do we introduce time, and, if so, how much of it?  And how much life time?  

What do we do about death, etc........?  

Is there any other game to play besides the BPW game?  I’m doubting it.  

One can continue with this game, almost indefinitely.  

At some point, it behooves us to stop and wonder if we are not already living in the best possible world.  

I defy anyone to come up with a better world, given that we included the dimension of time.  

Really, folks, if you don’t want to play this game........ what is the alternative?  

The alternative is for each of us to go out and buy our own isolation tank.  

Everything else is just being lazy.  

If we properly understand this best possible game, we will be able to intuit exactly what the next moves will be.  

That is what I’m now doing, with respect to the Q folks.  

If you know of better hobby, please excuse yourselves.  

Well, allow me to rephrase that........ let us know about it so that we can follow along.



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https://www.wired.com/story/billionaires-use-vr-avoid-social-change

Dan, you do what I suggested in relation to all else, not in denial of it.

You have an acute bias against self awareness it seems.

Maybe look at your BPW Eschaton bias.

Or not.

If individuals don’t do the work, nothing happens but ignorance.

Where one goes, all go.

Yes, Chivo caught me out........ I am definitely biased toward the best possible world.  

Am I biased toward the Eschaton?  

I’m not.  The Eschaton is just a corollary of the best possible world.  

Chivo is a bright boy, but he doesn’t know how to ever pay attention.  

Folks invest incredible energy into fixing the world.  

Yes, that is the best possible thing you could do with your energy.  

But that doesn’t mean you can never pause to review the handiwork.  

The greatest misperception of the best possible world is that it must be a static utopia.  

They just can’t imagine that the best possible world might have a history.  

Imagine all the geniuses in the world, and they are totally clueless when it comes to the BPW concept.  

They could spend the next several centuries kicking themselves in the rear end for being so clueless.  

Fortunately, there won’t be time for them to do this.  We will have better things to do.  

Will we be fixing the world?

Yes and no.

The greatest spiritual insight is that the world doesn’t need to be fixed.

This is a painful insight, especially for us inculcated with the Protestant work ethic.

But it’s only painful at first blush........

Then we realize that the Protestant work ethic is an essential feature of the BPW, up until we suddenly wake up to it as being just another feature.



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Folks investing incredible energy into fixing the world, are moving in place if they do not make themselves the center of the cosmos and do their own work on themselves and stop lying.

Heal thyself.

Just my experience.

I pay attention I feel, all have blind spots, but I’d put myself up against anyone in how best to live here.

I just know what not to waste my time on.

You have to have practical evidence and experience with self realization to take a conscious part in all this.

You have to face your own shadow.

You have to struggle with and master something.

You are the devil.

You are the hero and the fiend.

Don’t lie to yourselves you are not as capable of the greatest evil as good.

Most are cowards in my experience, caught up in the flow of the world, running from or harkening unto death.

I welcome death every morning.

It reminds me everyday to live.

Some people worship death.

Some people worship the shadow.

I sound like a repeating record, because my words are
my mantra, a Mandala.

Life is repetition.

Where the point maybe is to let yourself be what you are, getting out of your way.

Be ready to act with the greatest efficiency.

I know of what I speak.

Mine is a practice of quality.

And no one can get past me if they are hollow pretenders.

The others stand here too.

There is no where else to stand or anywhere to go, but straight on.

And I don’t know how, but my mental and emotional capacities are deepening and improving.

Must have something to do with the energy flooding into our nervous systems.

My bubble seems to be expanding.

I must assume the others also experience this.

To what end, I don’t pretend to know.

I only know not to stop, to never stop.

And to stand and stick it.

Be the one who someone else can depend on.

I can do my part.

I don’t pretend to want another part.

I love my part of this.

I love it with all my heart, do better than this.

“As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few.

The man who grasps principles, can successfully select his own methods.

The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble.”

—Ralph Waldo Emerson

The vision of St. Michael with his blunt sword is powerful - on point.

0430z.........

Thank you, Fores,

I’m 45 minutes into the two hour conversation.  

Yes, it is on point.  I hope to finish, tomorrow.


1620........

Further along the dialog turns to abstractions on the ego.  

Certainly, psychoactive substances comprise an essential aspect of Disclosure.  

Being one with the One..... or one with the Shadow..... goes to the core of our Being.  

We might wonder if psychoactive substances, even without portals, would be sufficient for Disclosure.  

This would be possible if the philosophy of immaterialism could be given a wider exposure.  

Most folks who have experienced psychedelics are moved toward non-material monism.  

What is not automatic with psychedelics is personalism.  

The tendency is often towards a non-material panpsychism.  

Before I forget, I was going to say that a characteristic of original participation is paranoia, while pronoia/agape characterizes final participation.  This could be a handy rule of thumb.

Tribal thinking is characterized by paranoia towards other tribes.

In some sense, tribalism is the antithesis of personalism.

Personalism is necessarily monistic....... towards the primordial I Am.



(cont........)

Agreed - the first 45 minutes is the cutoff before things wander off.

Muraresku is an important author, and I recently read his book....... and this is a very clever video.

I will have to see if he has a cosmology.......

Yes, Chivo ought to like Brian M, because he is acosmic.  

Why does chick have to be such a stickler for cosmology?  

Why bother with the Eschaton, when we already have the key to immortality?  

This is Chivo’s anthem.  

Why can’t we just short circuit the whole shebang?  

Everything else is just wasted effort.  

Such has been mysticism and gnosis...... down through the ages.  

This is the perennial wisdom.  

Well, the eschatological naysayers are the cosmic party poopers .  

They are afraid that the muppets will steal their show.  

Theirs is a solipsism that has no end.  

In fact, I think they don’t understand the difference between solipsism and monism.  It’s as simple as that.  

Of course, cosmically speaking, there is no difference.  

The Christians and the materialists share a great phobia towards gnosis, as well as towards psychedelics.  

The Xians are awaiting the Parousia...... the cosmic trigger.  

The materialists are waiting for the cows to come home.  

For the paranoids, their fears comprise a significant part of their ego identity. They cling desperately to their fears, for their dear lives.

Just like so many of them are still clinging desperately to donny.

It is shame....... to be swallowed up like that.



(cont........)

"cows to come home"

The Indians revere their cows.

Your mate Gates wants to send them home?????


Hobbit

We cannot take truth from the psycadelic experience.

Everyone has their interpretation of it.

But it can be a tool of healing.

Do you hear me, psychedelics do not lead to truth, they lead to healing.

But most don’t do the work in my observation.

They talk about it incessantly on the interwebs.

That’s an abstraction of it.

The truth is always self evident.

We must push each other.

We must wrestle and challenge each other.

We also can’t cheat.

You have to make your own descent and ascent.

Psychedelics are similar to Ancient Greek incubation.

To heal the body, you heal the mind first.

Dan wrote:The Christians and the materialists share a great phobia towards gnosis, as well as towards psychedelics.

An authoritarian religion of fear will never ever lead to truth.

They are inoculated against trusting themselves.

It is a hurdle to overcome.

Time for the children to grow up.

Die before you die muppets, oh yaaaaa.

I won’t claim to have done it, know a tree by its fruit.

My fruit is sweet and plump.

Mmmm mmm good, but for all we know, our fruit could be like bird droppings.

We just have to keep pushing and improving our clarity and quality.

The rest will work itself out.

Learning to trust things is a big part of dying before you die.

But I know that deep feeling of separation we feel.

I stand with it.

It isn’t true.

We can get past that anxiety.

We can get past all our own bullshitz.

Then we have to abide the bullshitz of others.

Great, the lesson of life, the bullshitz never stops!

This is a great book, it takes a couple readings, on my 3rd.

He covers dying before dying well I think.

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Man-in-Search-of-Soul-audiobook/dp/B005HUPMA6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Modern+Man+in+Search+of+a+Soul&qid=1612846265&sr=8-1#mediaMatrix_secondary_view_div_1612846281216

0320z........

“Psychedelics do not lead to Truth.”  

Yes and no.  

Dreams and psychedelics open the doors of perception.  

These phenomena point to a truth that is extra-mundane.




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The way is cleansed.

But you have to open the door.

Nothing, I mean nothing comes for free.

You have to use your chance and do the work.

Most I observe seem to have missed what this really is.

Oh cool, trippy dudes, DMT aliens.

That’s not the point obviously.

We are lost in this drug space today.

Thank god Alan Watts was out there for folks.

No one needs Alan Watts, but it is good to respect the sage, wherever you find them.

This can’t really be organized either.

Making psychedelics a medicine with no understanding of the underlying psychology is like a child trying to use cancer drugs with no knowledge of how to use them.

These are powerful powerful tools and take a lot of work and trial and error to learn to work with these tools.

If you end up drawing mandalas and selling internet healing ceremonies, we have another sacred practice being watered down and materialized.

I have respect for the tools and the process.

I guess I have the best amount of respect.

Standing with a friend going through great loss.

It has touched me that he would reach out.

To know kindness, we must know sorrow.

To see the size of the cloth, only kindness makes sense anymore.

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/S1cycheq4rzoxkAy5

All I got for my friends is that I’ll stand with them.

I don’t have to nor could I do anything for them really.

Kindness is really a beautiful thing.

It helps.

It cuts through any disagreement, any class, any color, any shape or size.

If one is to know themselves, they will tangle with kindness.

Kindness will beat you.

Why not let it in?

1500z.........

Good on you, Chivo.


So, let’s be charitable, and give Chivo his due........ there is no reason for our being here.

There is nothing to Disclose..... except for the absurdity of it all, which most of us claim to know, anyway.  

But this may not be fair.........

Chivo is a bit of a mystagogue........

Perhaps he is more than a bit.  

There are many questions we cannot and should not attempt to answer.  

Ok....... I understand.  

But........

little chick is pushing back....... against scientism.  

Science has upset any semblance of balance in our lives.  

Science practices a scorched earth campaign against all else.  

Those who feel unable to respond are in denial about where science has taken us.  

The global intellectual establishment is in cahoots.  

Every sacred tradition has its sacred Canopy.  

These canopies have been blasted, as if by a nuclear bomb.  

The Trump phenomenon then expresses the lowest common denominator........ paranoia.  

Where are you going to hide..... when your Canopy has been blasted?  

When the infinite Abyss rushes in?

The intelligentsia wrings its hands.  

The commentariat blows smoke...... and lots of advice.  

Poor Joe...... trying to pick up the apples from the overturned cart.

The problem is not science, per se.  

The problem is that science is headless...... and hence heedless.  

Science is a totally unrestrained machine...... turned loose upon the world.  

Science is a challenge to the world.  

Someone will rise to the challenge.  


1600.........

Someone?

A vision is needed........ urgently.  

It is hard to gauge the magnitude of our emergency while we are in its midst.  

It will not be possible to assess our dire straits without any retrospect.  

The only counter to scientism is personalism.  

Mysticism sold its soul to Science...... long ago.  

Personalism makes no sense when we stack it up against the infinite Abyss.  

All we get then is an existential dread.  

Little chick presents you with the cosmic fishbowl .  

Isn’t this just a little claustrophobic?  

Come and tell us about claustrophobia, after you’ve visited your neighborhood portal.  

Chances are that you will come rushing back to home and hearth .  

Just ask Chivo.  

That’s all there is to it.  Get over it , get used to it.  

And how far will this get us, without our queen bee ?  

Will we still be able to pull off Disclosure on time?  

Time is on the side of Truth.  

It just may not be your time or my time.  


Of course, there may be no Truth.  

Who are we to make such a demand?  

That possibility puts us right back at the brink of the Abyss.  

Where else?  

If we are at that brink, we have been pulled an awfully long way out of the muck........ all to what end....... just to be shown the Brink?  

That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense...... especially as a random event.  

Who or what, besides the queen bee , can pull us back from the Brink?  

Perhaps we need to relocate our cosmic bootstrap.  


1700........

Why is there something, rather than nothing?  

We can thank or curse the cosmic bootstrap....... the cosmic Observer..... the I Am.  

Did we volunteer for this?  

Well, we were volunteered.  

When can we get our money back?  

Just as soon as the show is over....... when the f*t lady sings.  

According to all the Silicon Valley gurus......... the Singularity draws nigh.

I believe they are slightly mistaken......... the Singularity is here.  

We, as soulless automatons, are our own Singularity.  

We have met the enemy....... it is us...... we, glorified computers.  

We are at the Brink, sports fans.  

Where else could we possibly be?  

Hey, and Chivo could care less.  

What difference could poor little Chivo make?  

His is not to reason why....... his is but to do and die.  

Chivo is afraid to commit.  So are we all.  

We could be wrong ....... and who cares anyway?  

Obviously nobody cares...... not even the Princess .  

Anyone can lead you to the water, but only God can make you drink .  

The rest of us are volunteered* spectators.  

But the show does go on........ others will step to the fountain eventually....... the cows do come home.  

It’s milking time....... back at the Monad .  

We, busy little bees , carry the ambrosia of the gods.  

Ambrosia or no ambrosia........ that is the question.  


1840.........

If there be a cosmic trigger, it can neither be a natural nor a man made catastrophe.  

That would only feed our worst nightmares.  

It would have to be something paranormal.  

Well, but what about the article in Wired?  

If it points to foot 🦶 as a person of interest....... that could be the end of the story.  

He could be compelled to testify.  

Once the knot 🪢 starts to unravel, there can only be one end point.  

All roads, beyond lights in the sky, will lead to the Eschaton.  

Then there is the COVID relief package with a six month rider.  It’s not quite clear when the six months are up........ but it might coincide with the article.  

This could focus some of our thinking.  

After more than 70 years of secrecy, globally, it’s going to have to be something more than lights in the sky.  

Even a body or two could hardly suffice.  

Somewhere, there is a bottle with a message.  

I mean........ come on.  


2000.........

Science deals with correlated phenomena.  

Immaterialism deals with correlated and uncorrelated phenomena.  

If there ever was one uncorrelated phenomenon, science has a lot of ‘splainin to do.  

I’ve never witnessed such, but plenty of ambiguities.  

Heck, I’ve even witnessed a dream of two.  

And I’ve witnessed more than a few qualia.  

To say that dreams and qualia can be fully subsumed under the rubric of science........ is to be a true believer....... in the omnipotence and omnipresence...... of science.  

I used to be a true believer, but, now, I’m not quite so sure.  

Many find solace in the embrace of agnosticism and stoicism.  

That is a very big tent , covering almost all of modernism.  

But not all of us are content.  

The certainties of science are just a little too much in our face.  

By the same token, the vast preponderance of the intelligentsia abdicates all of its talents for skepticism when confronting the behemoth of science.  

It doesn’t know where to begin.  

It might begin with the Anthropic Principle or Boltzmann’s Brain 🧠, but the experts long ago sequestered the skeletons in their closet.  

In order to go sleuthing in the netherworld of science, you need some serious permission.  

Permission from whom?  

That’s the problem........ science is headless and heedless.  

Heck, science is nothing but a mountain of facts, and every fact has been double checked ........ double checked .........

It can be slightly intimidating.  

And, if you ever do stumble upon something more than a minor glitch...... it is liable to be something of Biblical proportions...... as if we didn’t have enough problems on that score, already.  


2100.........

And, anyway, the general public has, if anything, been overexposed to competing claims of scientific hegemony.

Enough, already!

There is a widespread jaundice toward science.

We need look no further than our Trumpocalypse.

The intelligentsia has little recourse, but to circle their wagons around science.

And there is GMO Keith K, the wagon master.

It looks like foot 🦶 has all his bases covered. What else is new?

Maybe little chick had better check his permission slip.



(cont........)

“The philosopher's lecture room is a 'hospital': you ought not to walk out of it in a state of pleasure, but in pain; for you are not in good condition when you arrive.” —Epictetus