With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do. That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.
We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.
In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.
In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.
(continues in post #2......)
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When and if you find something in the deep-deep that could be of use to us, muppets, still struggling on the surface, you know that you have an outlet, here, for anything that you can bring back to us.
We know that our muppet ship is going down, and sooner than later, we are all going to be taking the plunge.
But, first, I would recommend finding a lifeboat to provide temporary refuge, away from the ship before donning the diving gear.
I do not recommend plunging off, from several decks above the water.
‘Change are partials that orbit the sun.” Change does not require vectors. It is constant.
“Hejira” Joni Mitchell
I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars That shell shocked love away
There's comfort in melancholy When there's no need to explain It's just as natural as the weather In this moody sky today
In our possessive coupling So much could not be expressed So now I'm returning to myself These things that you and I suppressed
I see something of myself in everyone Just at this moment of the world As snow gathers like bolts of lace Waltzing on a ballroom girl
You know it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line
Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze Listen...strains of Benny Goodman Coming through' the snow and the pinewood trees
I'm porous with travel fever But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger Can set up trembling in my bones
I know, no one's going to show me everything We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone
Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality, to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality
In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears There's the hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed thirty years
We're only particles of change I know, I know Orbiting around the sun But how can I have that point of view When I'm always bound and tied to someone
White flags of winter chimneys Waving truce against the moon In the mirrors of a modern bank From the window of a hotel room
I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars Until love sucks me back that way
You have to tell us about your breakthrough with Jorjani.
I gather, for myself, that he is an important student of philosophy. I would be very interested to hear your take on the matter.
Perhaps you could describe your new found conceptual portal to us.
Clearly, Jeffrey has had a similar reaction to Jorjani as yours.
To me, though, I mainly just see his...... overwrought historical speculations...... the philosophy is mainly kept in the background. He certainly doesn’t come off as an eschatologist, although his manner of speaking definitely has an eschatological flavor.
8:15........
This comes from the homework for ICJS........ Wikipedia.......
At the same time, Wyschogrod urges from the Jewish side that Jews not pursue a fallacious dismissal of the divinity of Christ that operates on a priori grounds. In other words, while Jews - Wyschogrod included - can and perhaps even should reject the divinity of Christ, they should not do so by attempting to argue that God's Incarnation in man is somehow inconsistent with the teaching of the Hebrew Bible. On the contrary, there is much merit to the Christological position that posits "the indwelling of God in Israel by concentrating that indwelling in one Jew rather than leaving it diffused in the people of Jesus as a whole."
Meanwhile foot assures that the whole impeachment show is just more entertainment. He gets this from inspection of the Vectors/tensors that are about to be vindicated, as part of Disclosure. I wait patiently.
"The original myth of Prometheus, as Milton tells it ('of man's first disobedience and hence his fall from the celestial state') must be turned upside-down... man... must commit an act of disobedience to this system... to restore the pristine state now lost."
-The Exegesis of Philip K Dick
I disobey and always will.
It takes this to hold it.
Holding this is not for wimpz.
Living with this...power.
We let go of the system and we find we are held by our being.
Wigner's idea can be used to formally prove that measurements in quantum mechanics are subjective to observers ... We have now for the first time performed this test experimentally at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh on a small-scale quantum computer made up of three pairs of entangled photons ... we succeeded in showing that quantum mechanics might indeed be incompatible with the assumption of objective facts—we violated the inequality!
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Donald Trump may yet survive impeachment, but there is hope that his popularity amongst all but his most ardent fan base will continue to erode.
Increasingly, politicians will strive to distance themselves from his antics. In that process, donny is liable to lose the political edge that he enjoyed as a political novelty. His brand will, hopefully, become obsolescent.
I have, in the past, based some Disclosure hopes on the political turmoil that his antics have engendered. That possibility might still pan out, in his lame duck phase, but I don’t wish to further entangle any Disclosure initiative, on my part, in his personal antics..... thank you very much.
Personally, I will continue to support impeachment, but, otherwise, I will be disengaging from his political life cycle. Yes, the Trumpian turmoil has served its purpose, relative to Disclosure, but I’m also hopeful that, as we attempt to reconfigure the wreckage, that new possibilities for Disclosure will emerge.
Where will this leave me with respect to the Princess? I would never disown the Princess...... whatever the deeper attachment, it always remains. It is up to her, as to whether she must remain in any political shadow. I would never hold that personal necessity against her.
Some will say that I made a bad decision to ever align myself with any particular government operation. Perhaps that is so. That alignment may or may not have been a necessary phase of the Disclosure process. Only time will tell.
I, personally, never felt that such an alignment was optional. I dealt with the situation presented to me, in the only way that made sense at the time. And now I feel that it is time to move on.
As with all of us, we strive to remain in the light of our deepest faith...... in Truth and in Love.
There is one very significant flaw in your logos........ you equate rationalism with analytical/scientific thought. You thereby adopt the Correspondence theory of truth.
I feel very badly for you that, despite an endless coaxing, you are unable to see beyond your self limitation.
I have to let Woody speak for himself....... what I see in his existential posturing is a very close minded rejection of his own personhood..... ‘tis a pity.
That is a rabbit hole that you do not yet have the internal fortitude to resist. But, where there is life, there is hope. Woody simply cannot see beyond the scientific paradigm. You can, but you choose to follow the intellectual crowd down the existential rabbit hole, nonetheless.
It is a curious mental glitch that infects so much of modernity.
I wait and watch........ the flow chooses me..... I choose the flow.
My flow remains a trickle. That is fine....... I paddle to the sea.
I happen to believe in cosmic love...... in cosmic Truth.
I see it in action, every day.
donny was a marker on the way. Some leave it to port, others to starboard. Mainly, I just leave it to stern.
Original participation is a marker on the way to final participation. It is duly noted.
I attended to the homework for Tuesday....... Michael Wyschogrod...... a Death in Heidelberg.
Michael strove for final participation...... he was unable to disentangle himself from the original.
That is a burden that some will have to continue to bear....... almost until the very end...... bless their hearts. We cannot forget the past, but some of us hope to subsume it.
11:30.........
I’m trying to get my head around the fact that the spiritual renewal of Judaism is wrapped in its most conservative cloak.
But the same is true for the Christians...... the messy antics comes tightly wrapped.
If tnt is not tightly wrapped, it will go fizz........
He has a few things he wants to make clear to a flat earth novice. Firstly, and most importantly -- "none of us believe that we're a flying pancake in space." The community merely believes that space does not exist, the world sits still and the moon landing was faked. The jury is out on gravity -- but as Davidson notes, no one has ever seen it.
Secondly -- no, you won't fall off the edge. While flat earthers' views of the world vary, most believe the planet is a circular disk with Antarctica acting as an ice wall barrier around the edge.
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The more robust theory is the concave Earth hypothesis....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth#Concave_Hollow_Earths which is actually irrefutable, except, allegedly, by Occam’s razor. I have mentioned this hypothesis several times, but only as a conceptual bridge to a personalist small world/best possible world hypothesis.
I regret that you don’t have the time to do due diligence with regard to the BPWH.
12:45..........
Actually, if we employ Occam’s razor more judiciously, immaterialism wins over materialism by a mile.......
The problem with materialism, vis a vis Occam’s razor, is that there is no bound on the possible hypotheses, or possible worlds.
Occam’s razor.........
Entities should not be multiplied without necessity.
Materialism, virtually by definition, fails miserably, where, under its aegis, Occam’s razor has morphed into Meinong’s jungle.
I’m thinking particularly of the many worlds interpretation of quantum theory of Everett. The MWI was the rock to Meinong’s scissors. The BPWH is the paper to the MWI rock.
The only sensible path to monism is by way of personalism. Physicalism has failed utterly, in that regard.
The only path to coherence, to rationality, is the road to Monadnock..... whether you are under the bus or not.
The only way to corral the tin horns, donny included, is with monism/personalism, and we don’t need Occam’s razor.
(cont.......)
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