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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:46 pm

    I agree with you about the Princess %110.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:33 pm

    I reject disclosure completely.

    Everything is a portal, I can not and will not make distinctionz.

    There is nothing left to learn.

    It’s all smilez and just breathin for this goat

    Gods can go to hell.

    I take good care of my Daemon though and my Daemon takes great care of me.

    Like I would or could explain it to you.

    Beware of heroes, they can be monstrous.
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    Post by GSB Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:58 am



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:52 am

    It's funny how persons always forget persons.

    Mr Penrose is no exception.

    Persons are fundamental to consciousness.

    What are they looking for with all their trying to figure out consciousness?

    It's like when someone is looking for their glasses and don't realize they are already wearing them.

    You want to understand consciousness you have to understand persons. If you want to understand persons you don't have to look any farther than your own breath.

    You're it, the whole shebang.

    In fact, fundamentally you could say there is only one thing that really exists, a person.

    For conventional purposes lets call the one fundamental person that exists Jesus.

    The one way Jesus comes to understand that fundamentally there is only one person that exists, and he's it, is through the logos.

    Each one of us, through the logos, can come to understand the same thing Jesus came to understand, and in so doing become one with God the Father and the Mother.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:06 am

    Becoming “One with the father” is how ignorant muppets talk.

    But it isn’t very different than saying we are a drop of the vast ocean.

    My way of saying it is much more poetic and less confusing or tribal.

    I have determined we don’t all have egos.

    Egos are aberrations of culture.

    Conditioned masks.

    We are vast and eternal.

    I really can’t believe I tried to stuff existence into this little drop.

    The reason I can push anyone over, is I know the secret.

    We are all lying.

    No one is really here.

    It is very funny.

    “In existence there is nobody who is superior and nobody who is inferior. The blade of grass and the great star are absolutely equal.... But man wants to be higher than others, he wants to conquer nature, hence he has to fight continuously. All complexity arises out of this fight. The innocent person is one who has renounced fighting; who is no longer interested in being higher, who is no longer interested in performing, in proving that he is someone special; who has become like a rose flower or like a dewdrop on the lotus leaf; who has become part of this infinity; who has melted, merged and become one with the ocean and is just a wave; who has no idea of the "I". The disappearance of the ''I" is innocence.“

    LIES LIES LIES

    LIARS


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:10 am

    The experience of the disappearance of the "I" is a personal experience.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:11 am

    Duh
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:14 am

    cool

    Party on dudes!
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:27 am

    smelly wrote:Becoming “One with the father” is how ignorant muppets talk.

    But it isn’t very different than saying we are a drop of the vast ocean.

    My way of saying it is much more poetic and less confusing or tribal.

    Okay smelly, then one with the Tao if you want to be less personal.

    Yes, still not as poetic, I'll give you that.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:43 am

    Tao is the natural order of the universe whose character one's human intuition must discern in order to realize the potential for individual wisdom. This intuitive knowing of "life" cannot be grasped as a concept; it is known through actual living experience of one's everyday being.

    Laozi in the Tao Te Ching explains that the Tao is not a "name" for a "thing" but the underlying natural order of the Universe whose ultimate essence is difficult to circumscribe due to it being non-conceptual yet evident in one's being of aliveness.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:20 am

    Thank you, Gary,

    It’s always nice to keep up with Roger........ he has mastered psychology and cosmology, he’s just unable to connect those two dots.  

    If he connected them, he’d be the Second Coming.  He a little too bashful to take that step..... thanks, Roger.  

    And in my porridge this morning, I found the following link from google....... https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment/ It is titled...... Aliens, Antisemitism, and Academia.

    I didn’t know aliens were anti Semitic...... I’m just a country boy.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:30 am

    Notice how Dan interacts with Gary in such a personable manner.

    Very interesting....

    I wonder what he knows....
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:34 am

    Roger is no master, he’s a babbling baboon.

    Why would you look up to his imagination?

    You have yours.

    Jesus isn’t personal, he’s a myth.

    Myths are hints.

    I appreciate the role of myth and I know we easily make idols out of these lessons.

    I can promise you you weren’t as big a Jesus freak as I was Wink

    I treated him like he was always by my side.

    You see who he and all myths point to, can’t you?

    You can only learn this through intuition.

    All myths are about you.

    The Daemon/Daimon.

    This is the true mystery.

    Awareness moving over the water shit.

    We have mythologized our awareness and being.

    You can do away then with all of it as imagination in an instant.

    I prefer this lucid state personally.

    No lies.

    No bullshitz.

    I tack my own course.

    But I do it in partnership with the boat (my body) and the wind (my breath) and the water (love).

    This is the best I can do to do conceptualize it.

    All discussion and opinion ultimately ends in silence.

    You can only intuit this from silence.

    Ask yourself.

    Do you really know what you are talking about?

    Please, who did you think you are talking to here?

    Yourself.

    You wanna know what’s personal?

    What we are doing here.

    Working shit out for ourselves.

    Stop being such wimps.

    Stand on your own already.

    Face yourself.

    Bunch of pretenders.

    No one is the second coming.

    There has always just been you happening here.

    You guys crack me up how you can’t see this.

    I love it.

    I’m just smilen and breathin here while you guyz make it all up.

    Sure, you are models and math, bahahahaha.

    Muppets playing with awareness here but without the courage to stand up and own their not knowing.

    I call bullshitz.

    But please continue...
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:49 am

    Yes, smelly, you should learn to play nice like the chicken.

    Last I checked, myths were personal too...... and about persons..... always.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am



    You don’t know yourselves.

    You have it all.

    You won’t ever see your head.

    I DO NOT KNOW
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:53 am

    dan wrote:Yes, smelly, you should learn to play nice like the chicken.

    Last I checked, myths were personal too...... and about persons..... always.  

    You don’t really understand myth liar.

    You are still defending yourself.

    Just be yourself.

    There is no right belief or action.

    No defense needed.

    Nothing to defend.

    You don’t have a prayer.

    Stand with that.

    Then the power rises.

    A power you can’t imagine.

    Not one you earned.

    What you are.

    I will never play nice.

    Because I love you.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:02 am

    I know that you are a person and that everyone is a person.  And everything that exists, exists for persons.  

    Is there anything more we need to know?

    If there were something that a person can’t imagine, then by definition it doesn’t exist.

    Do I look defensive?

    Do I have to defend love? Yes, every person is responsible to defend love...... with their lives.

    Back to aliens and antisemitism........

    I’m pretty much right in the middle between Jason and the Jacobin.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:07 am

    Be what you are...

    FALL TO RISE

    Jump!

    Now

    Now

    NOW

    You are the Dawn and the Sunset

    Personalize that and smoke it muppet.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:10 am

    Instead of saying everything that exists exists for persons, I would say that everything that exists is inextricably connected with persons so that without persons there is nothing.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:13 am

    Ack,

    That’s close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades.


    smelly,

    Are you trying to tell God something?  I bet God has something to tell you..... like take it easy, already.  

    You think I’m gonna eat your lunch.  I’ve already had lunch, but thanks anyway.  


    The basic problem with Jason and the Jacobins is that they are looking for God’s Kingdom on Earth.  

    And, if truth be known, this is smelly’s problem, too.  He can’t understand why, now that he has achieved Nirvana, he’s still feeling rage.  

    Nirvana was not meant for Earthlings...... and smelly’s having trouble believing that he is still an Earthling.  

    Ok, smelly has achieved eudaemonia, which is not bad for a smelly goat, but it’s not quite the same thing as Nirvana.   Is it, smelly?



    5:30.........

    Creation/Earth takes us to the top of the roller coaster hill.  Nirvana is over the hill.  

    Paradise is on the other side of the grave?  Paradise is on the other side of the portal...... on the other side of Disclosure.  

    smelly’s honesty about what’s inside comes out in dribs and drabs.  He protesteth just a bit too much.  

    Disclosure won’t happen on theory alone.  There has to be a minimal degree of demonstration.  The Queen bee, whoever that is, must be prepared to cooperate.  There will have to be more glitches.  

    Portals abound, but not for the purpose of Disclosure.  They are meant to keep the roller coaster climbing the hill, and for greasing the credit market...... for autocratic politicians...... for the deep state...... not for mere mortals.  

    Disclosure, when it comes, cannot be piecemeal..... cannot be just theoretical.  It’s a package deal.... the whole enchilada.  It is the Apocalypse..... the MoAPS.  

    Utopia aligns only with Apocatastasis, which, in turn, is post-Apocalyptic.  

    We definitely can’t immanentize the Eschaton.  

    This does sound dualistic.  

    The Kingdom is always within all of us...... a mustard seed waiting to sprout. It sprouts sporadically..... just enough for us to keep our faith and love.

    The lid must remain on the pressure cooker. The steam valve squeals.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:15 am

    Ok, good.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:17 pm

    You are so dense Danno.

    Lighten up.

    An aware one lives with intensity.

    I walk up to you, smile, and slap you, because you give me a face to slap.

    You take that for rage muppet.

    I'm just playin around ole fart and reminding you of what you should know.

    God you aint, you aren't even a Dan.

    Guess the world will never know who you are, not until you do.

    I'm not raging at you fool, I'm laughing.

    Always smiling and laughing------->
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:27 pm

    The center is everywhere, don't fool yourself fool.

    To know yourself is to not know yourself.

    To know yourself is to be yourself.

    I had a vision in the night.

    In the vision I was reading a children's picture book.

    In the book I saw Pan and a little princess burning books and idols inscribed with the pathologos name.

    Then Pan and the little princess danced around the flames with their own shadows in the dark.

    After reading the book I tossed it aside.

    Who was Pan?

    Who was the little princess?

    Pretenders all.

    Persons are all we have.

    Stories are the most personal thing we do to entertain ourselves.

    Hollywood is a beast of a beast.

    Who needs a story though just to breathe?

    The little princess came to me because of my pure heart.

    You purify the heart by cutting off the head.

    Yes, it sounds violent but really its the kindest thing you could ever do to yourself.

    Never cut off the head of an innocent child.

    Isis is evil.

    Fuck them.

    We cut off heads with hearts not knives.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:17 pm

    In ancient times Cain was an idol smasher and Abel was a muppet idolater who didn't know his self.

    Good story.

    Stories are like sand castles on the shore of the eternal.

    In the breath the waves come as they will and wash all the sand castles away.

    What story could really tell us anything about meeting our self?

    Spend some time alone in the mountains.

    The mountains and streams can tell us all the secrets we ever need to know.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:57 pm

    If The Buddha and Sophia had a secret love child it would be me.

    My name is what?

    My name is who?

    I just don’t know.

    Do you?

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