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Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

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Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:39 am

In other words, what is the best possible way to get to Monadnock from here...... ameliorating the inevitable zombie Apocalypse aspect of post Millennialism, along the way?  

Zombie Apocalypse......?

Yes, this is what happens when we adapt to smelly’s post Millennial advice of ...... tune in, turn on and drop out..... ie. skipping our communal Millennium.  

Ie, what is the best possible way for ten billion of us to tune in, turn on and drop out?

In particular, what should be the advice of whoever happens to be the President at the point of Disclosure/Revelation/Apocalypse?  

What should be the last Tweet?

Here we come, Princess, ready or not...... please, have mercy on our souls..... pretty please?  

Obviously, democratic capitalism is not going to work.  

Maybe Hungary has the best possible model, after all...... modulo the Princess.  

Is it going to be.......  the Hungary + Princess = Brave New Apocalypse...... reality show?  

And for how many more months can this show last...... considering that it’s been on going for 32 months...... so far?  

This completes our conversion from pre Millennial Protestantism to post Millennial Catholicism....... a Catholicism now confronted with the best possible Revelation/Apocalypse/Rapture.  

Are we Rapture Ready, sports fans?  

Should we have our AR15’s ready for the zombies?

Well, the Princess does, but I don’t.  

Will the Princess be heading to Cheyenne Mountain...... is that Monadnock....... is there a difference?  

Remember the good old days of duck and cover?  

Look at that as a bit of a preparation.  

In other words, there has been a slight change of plans.......

The Millennial Kingdom on Earth has metamorphed into the Wedding feast in the Sky....... on the other side of the portal.  

We still have a slight logistical problem, but, at least now, it is better defined....... but we can still have our creamsicles..... and eat them, too, sports fans.  

If you still wish to have your Feast on the Earth, just keep in mind that it will be your last Supper.  


4:30ft/gmt-3............

It does seem that foot owes us an explanation for why he advised donny to withdraw his support from the Kurds.   Both foot and donny seem to enjoy being contrarian.  

You will recall that foot has always expressed his support for ISIS.  The two issues are probably related.  He has also supported MS13....... along with MJ12, presumably.  

He should be overjoyed that thousands of ISIS prisoners have escaped Kurdish detention due to the Turkish incursion after the US withdrawal.  

Does this have anything to do with Disclosure or portals, we’d like to know?  

Correction....... it’s the ISIS ‘supporters’ who escaped Kurdish detention.  

According to foot, the whole impeachment business is just for entertainment.  Hmmm........ a warmup act?

What’s the next act?  


5:30.........

I notice that Bill Gates is in the news recently........ in connection with the royals and with (the late) epstein.   Who is/was briefing whom...... on what?  More entertainment.........



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Post by dan Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:03 am

(continues from...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t382p775-family-in-a-fishbowl-princess-0-reality-show#29755)

AB summarized his views, presumably in contrast with the BPWH.......

He focuses on the Logos, modulo the Resurrection and Omega.

In the BPWH, the cosmic Self/Person stands in for God, but that does not prevent us from using the terms interchangeably.  

It must be understood that the Self is essentially social or Trinitarian..... there can be no Creator without Creation.  

Thus the Logos is Seminal...... it is tantamount to the Golden Rule, which, stated proactively, is the Big Love.  

Let’s focus on the R&O........

My claim is that R&O are essential to any understanding, at all.  

The basic idea is that Creation must be finite.  It must be defined, bounded and coherent.  

It cannot be open ended....... acosmic.  

Only love can be infinite...... not space or time or anything else.  

The infinity of love, the big love, can only be located within individuals, however.  It is not some other entity.    

There is a ‘transpersonal’ psychology, but no transhuman entity.  

Even, especially, the Monad is personal...... we can and do engage with it, personally....... known by some as the living word, or living christ, if you will.  

The human potential at the core of every person is infinite.  It is our cosmic lifeline.  

Where does the Omega come into all this......?

The Omega is the Big Love....... is the cosmic Attractor at the end of the world....... the counterpart of the Alpha or seminal logos.  

The seminal logos is deeply embedded, anchored, hidden in plain sight in history as the incarnation....... and in every one of us.  

This is the Multiverse...... awaiting its Resurrection into the Monad/Omega/Source.  

Without our individual link to the infinite...... our souls to the Spirit, we are nothing.  

Everything is linked in this manner, mainly at the ‘atomic’ level, rather than the personal....... all is linked to the Monad, in the End.  

This is the one electron/one soul ‘theory’ of Being.  There is only one Being...... one cosmic Consciousness.  

Is this Parmenides vs Heraclitus?  It is Parmenides&Heraclitus.  

Our egos are the illusion.  The shells are burned off to find the pearl of great price, within each of us and within history...... as we move toward the light.  

This is the quickening of history that we see all around us.  

Understand that every second of this movement is embedded in Eternity.  The river of Heraclitus necessarily flows to the Sea of Parmenides.  

Cosmic consciousness is our Resurrection.  

Nothing else makes a lick of sense...... does it, AB?  

And understand that the Princess has donny wrapped around her little finger...... whether she speaks to me, or not.  I’m quite happy under the bus.  


12:50..........

At best, the Millennium was going to be an artificial hold.  Should we have time to catch our Breath/Spirit?  

I suspect we’ll manage quite well, thank you.  

Just be careful what we are wishing for, when we go to the Well.  


1:40ft/gmt-3...........

The main opposition to the BPWH comes from Science and Buddhism......

1.)  Science with its doctrine of materialism

2.)  Buddhism with its doctrine of anatta

The basic claim is that both of these doctrines are incoherent.  

Of course, neither Science nor Buddhism put any stock in coherence.  

My further claim is that persons seek coherence, and seek coherence, often over survival.  

Love is synonymous with coherence, in this regard.  

Both S & B, however subscribe to an implied Telos, which is crucial to their understanding....... a Telos which is virtually synonymous with the big love.  

Science has only ever been about our understanding and welfare.  

Buddhism has only ever been about our achievement of nirvana.  

This is exactly what the BPWH is about.  

Both of these imply that the individual is correlated with the Cosmos.

How strong is that correlation, and how does it manifest in our lives?

The BPWH provides the only comprehensive engagement with that question.  

Yes, Science imports, by subterfuge, an infinite Telos....... the notion of infinite progress.  

This Telos applies equally to our own efforts and to Nature through evolution.  

Science gives lip service to the accidental nature of existence...... life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe.  But scratch that superficial bit of political correctness, and the omnipresence of teleological thinking is overwhelming.  

Science is a massive exercise in surreptitious teleology.  

Philosophers point this out, but scientists eschew philosophy, as if it were going to be a pox on Scientism...... which it will be.  

Many point out that science is a religion unto itself...... in its splendid isolation.  

Many moderns find science and Buddhism to be congenial, if not even collegial.  Both are equally opposed to philosophy...... to coherence.  

For the past seventy years, philosophy proper has been seeking to disentangle itself from analytical philosophy.  The struggle continues.  

That philosophy maintain an analytical core is simply a matter of political correctness.  

Certainly, we wouldn’t want to pollute impressionable young minds with any notions of coherence.  

Buddhists avoid philosophy nearly as religiously as do scientists...... may God have mercy on your soul if you should think rather than meditate. Thinking is to be done only in service to the mundane. The transcendental is not to be polluted with human thought...... thank you very much.



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Post by AtomicBrando Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:15 pm

Could it be there is another oppositional idea to the BPW, or is it the BPW?

Epicurus.

He is a materialist I guess.

I sit at a table between Plato and Epicurus!

How fortunate.

Epicurus has his version of the BPW.

I don’t disagree with him as a general framework to live.

“Epicurus believed that what he called "pleasure" (ἡδονή) was the greatest good, but that the way to attain such pleasure was to live modestly, to gain knowledge of the workings of the world, and to limit one's desires. This would lead one to attain a state of tranquility (ataraxia) and freedom from fear as well as an absence of bodily pain (aponia). The combination of these two states constitutes happiness in its highest form. Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism insofar as it declares pleasure to be its sole intrinsic goal, the concept that the absence of pain and fear constitutes the greatest pleasure, and its advocacy of a simple life, make it very different from "hedonism" as colloquially understood.”

I use Stoicism and find many valuable insights but he argued against them and Plato. Neoplatonism though took hold.

One must be a syncretist to really see this.

“Epicureans shunned politics because it could lead to frustrations and ambitions which can directly conflict with the epicurean pursuit for peace of mind and virtues.”

Justice is self interested.

“Epicurus sought to eliminate the fear of the gods and of death, seeing those two fears as chief causes of strife in life.”

He hit on our Big Love!

Justice and the good is realized through mutual balanced benefit.

Ironically an atomic materialist has his version of the BPW and it’s compelling and simple.

This was the guiding principle of the Enlightenment.

He realized the pleasure of Paradise and laid out a way to our mountain.

But so did Plato.

I’m locked in between their gazes.

I understand Epicurus much better now after arriving at parts of his philosophy myself in a natural way.

I do not have an afterlife Wink

I do not reject it, it just isn’t relevant to me either way.

“When we say . . . that pleasure is the end and aim, we do not mean the pleasures of the prodigal or the pleasures of sensuality, as we are understood to do by some through ignorance, prejudice or wilful misrepresentation. By pleasure we mean the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul. It is not by an unbroken succession of drinking bouts and of revelry, not by sexual lust, nor the enjoyment of fish and other delicacies of a luxurious table, which produce a pleasant life; it is sober reasoning, searching out the grounds of every choice and avoidance, and banishing those beliefs through which the greatest tumults take possession of the soul.”

— Epicurus, "Letter to Menoeceus"

I have my own working kind of Humanism I guess, my operating system I am always updating.

Don’t hate me for it Dan, I have to be coherent and go step by step and must consider all and avoid my own bias.

Fear is the mind killer, but also a great ally.

Emotions and some thoughts have grown monstrous.

But we can transmute these monsters and we must.

That we asked what a good life looks like speaks well of us.

That we have tried to live the best life I feel also speaks well of us.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo ("I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care")

I feel I have a sense of what he was on about.

I think his view courageous actually.
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Post by dan Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:50 pm

AB,

There is a vast array of schools for accepting the world just as it is.  

The BPWH certainly appears to count itself amongst these....... we may have no free will, but fortunately we are already living in the best possible world...... so enjoy...... to your heart’s content.  Hmmm........

But are not we, humans, just naturally curious strivers...... helpers..... wanting to share our pains and pleasures?  

Any philosophy centered on the individual can only be isolating, in the end.  The various theisms are the only exception.  

What is theism about, if not just about God...... some alien being?

I’ll tell you what theism is about........

Theism is about how to love one another, and, in the end, about the big love...... cosmic agape.  

Can’t we be satisfied with just loving, from one day to the next?  

Yes and no.  

Can we not content ourselves with the incomplete?  

Perhaps, as a matter of consolation.  Cannot consolation suffice?  

What is this feeling of incompletion....... incoherence?  

Is it just about death?  Well, death certainly figures into it.  

There are both a positive and negative inducements for stretching our minds....... greener pastures and hidden dangers...... in short, the future.  

Does concern with the future not give lie to our alleged lack of free will?

No one can be complacent toward negative surprises, no matter how philosophical your posture...... this is what our sensory system is all about. This is what life is about?



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Post by AtomicBrando Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:56 pm

I can really only say, from my personal view, that after all my own personal searching and experimentation, arriving back where I started was humorous.

I accepted that life, or the Big Love, provided me my best.

And now I live content within that love.

I have realized Epicurus’ goal.

From here I can poke and look at and consider all modes of being and thinking and feeling.

I find that a reward in a way I gave my self.

You have to earn your free will.

It is like going up and down the shelves of a library you had always been blocked from and then finding all the books say the same thing so what was I looking for, to avoid the life I have, which is my best life.

We only deny and block ourselves Wink

I take from Epicurus to keep it simple, but I’m more dude in that, hey, take it all as it comes, don’t deny yourself.

Enjoy the life you have as much as you can, but do not strive for pleasure or anything really.

Relax and enjoy Paradise.

He didn’t need to imagine gods to live in the garden and in so realizing, he came full circle.

Some of us do and it’s ok if we do.

I am on guard against superstition and conscious of my personal biases, but I am open to the mystic, as I have experienced it first hand and it is as part of being as breathing, thinking and feeling is.

Mysticism is a state of consciousness, the hypnagogic state. During transition between modes of being it seems, we can go through crazy states of mind and see visions and feel and see in ways we don’t normally.

Epicurus and the others have given us ways to cope with these crazy delusional periods of change.

This is Big Love.

I am very aware that most of the apes on Earth are insane by Epicurean standards.

Our world is a realization of all they warned against.

So we must pay attention now.

There are signs of life, here you and I are now, keeping our heads as we walk around the cave and working it out.

Like, that’s fucking cool.

Epicurus would chide me, but Plato would wink and point and give me a peace sign.
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Post by dan Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

AB,

Ok, but........

We recognize that life comes with its obligations...... even burdens...... unless one is on one’s deathbed.  

We, humans live as in a flock...... we each have our sentinel duties.  

Philosophy is one of those duties....... just to understand how we are situated.  

Right now, for instance, you are somewhat stuck, here, talking to the chicken.

At the least, we have a tag team sport...... you are obliged to find your reliever.  No?  Explain to us why you have incurred no obligation to this poor chicken under the bus?  

Of course, human nature tells us that when you disappear, someone is likely to take your place, but still........

We can never have too many interlocutors.  And, where three of you are gathered..........

Are there greener pastures....... on the internet?  Are there chickens more in need?  


Anyway, life goes on, and the Eschaton is a day closer.  

As a matter of fact, just a few days ago, the Eschaton got a thousand years closer, as we experienced a gestalt switch, under the cognitive pressure of maintaining coherence, from pre to post Millennialism.  

This is a switch that I had been putting off for some time.  A reversal would be tantamount to a veritable reversal of history....... being ushered back onto the bus?  It would take rather more than that.  


6:10/ft.........

The main strategy amongst the insiders has been to kick the Disclosure can down the road.  The tic-tac gambit was no small part of this.  

The lack of a Millennial buffer against the Eschaton would go a long toward rationalizing the stalling tactic.  

But how would the Nimitz disclosures contribute to the stalling?  

Presumably, the piecemeal disclosures were helping to cover other more pertinent disclosures.   The foot shows up here just enough to keep the chicken gambit minimally viable.  



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Apropos! Yes, indeed.

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Post by AtomicBrando Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:30 pm

I am dedicated to giving philosophy its proper place in my life.

It has transformed my life giving me access to parts of my self I didn’t know.

It has given me clarity and helped me sort out my mind.

I don’t know who or what to thank.

A Philosopher King is ruler of themselves.

YES

What is this strange land I have wandered into following this god damned smelly goat?!

What am I supposed to do here?

What is required?

Hmmm...

I shall pay it gladly and spill all my blood.

Nothing else matters other than this.

I agree, even the mystic must maintain their hand in the world.

Somehow I know this is our best place to be.

What is one Self?!

Our One we are talking about must be everywhere.

Don’t bother with fractions and additions.

We need to study what kind of One shows connections to our noble ideal of self.

That’s real arithmetic.

Let’s talk philosophically.

Let’s urge philosophers to awaken intellect.

You need this vehicle to be aware of ultimate reality.

Get a vision of good.

None shall enter here who does not know Geometry, but you must keep a copy of the Republic in your back pocket, it’s not not about geometry.

Solid geometry from Plato is difficult. There are few teachers of self. It’s hard to find them because all think they know what self is. Our goal in solid geometry is to know real self! Charm will accompany a teacher of self.

Real self exists in a super sensual realm?

Do I accept this?!

Hmm.

You have to find truth in true numbers.

Being rests in motion and analogy.

To understand our brilliant light of being is possible.

It’s intelligible and always in rest and in motion.

That’s what astronomy is about.

Rest, motion, symmetry, a reflection of ultimate reality?

What is our base condition, this is always looking for first principles.

Oh that we had wise leaders, but we never will, so we must become the philosopher king ourselves!

Self reflection is a way of being.

Self always revealing itself in everything!!!

WOW

“Won’t you be walking in your predecessors’ footsteps? I surely will use the older path, but if I find a shorter and smoother way, I’ll blaze a trail there. The ones who pioneered these paths aren’t our masters, but our guides. Truth stands open to everyone, it hasn’t been monopolized.”

—Seneca, Moral Letters, 33.11

To know the one you must master the dialectic and look into why injustice.

Might does not make right.

Politics and our world is just a metaphor for self mastery.

So we must each get to it Wink
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As far as being social...

I just went out and smoked a joint in our back yard under our moon, a thought occurred to me.

All who have ever been born, have experienced our sun and moon.

We are connected here surely.

Time just evaporated as I thought that.

I thought of Plato staring at the moon.
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Post by dan Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:33 am

AB,

Ok, then it appears that you are willing to play a couple more rounds of whatever is the game that we find ourselves situated in, here.  

We might begin by reminding ourselves and any onlookers, present and future, how we both came to this pass....... or impasse.......

We would considerably expedite this formality be each explaining what we know or suspect about the other.  

You come to OM by way of Eric/smelly.  There has been a bit of a tag team between you and smelly..... he disappears, you appear, somewhat in his tow, where you had been lurking, before.  

We could wonder how you and smelly hooked up.  What might you know of smelly that the rest of us might not.  In particular, why has he chosen to take an extended holiday from defending his non-philosophy philosophy?  

In particular, I would like to know what familiarity you have with the Anthropic Principle and with the mind/body problem, if any.  

And I would like to know what you and smelly know or suspect of my situation, and do attempt candor.  

I’m suspecting that you are a night person on the west coast, while I’m a morning person on the east coast.



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A brief his-story of the chicken bus ...

Jack Sarfatti, Beyond Space and Time, 1975.
Sophia, 1977
1980, gave a talk on Rational Theism to the Guan Dong Branch of the Society for the Study of the Dialectics of Nature.
c. '81, Kit Williams, Masquerade and my turn to idealism.
'82-'83, my turn to eschatology.
Cover-up Live, '87.
Picnic with NBE, Aug '90. Opinion on Desert Storm requested.
June '91, 'psychotic' episode.
Abortive disclosure of Aug-Sept '91.
Meet CF in Sept '91. Message from 'Aliens' to CF on CompuServe UFO forum. The near coincidence of this meeting/message to the scrubbing of the disclosure plan is interesting, retrospectively. No disclosure without a Closer.
Feb. '92, Jack Anderson's column. The new (package) deal?
May '92, my last day as a working stiff, gratis the Navy(?).
Apr. '93, Laurence Rockefeller meets with Jack Gibbons.
'93, conversations with Vince Johnson.
c. '95, meetings with an SSCI staffer.
Core story: from RD to me ('95-'96) and then to Richard Boylan and onto the Internet, with me being referenced as Beltway Throat, charming.
Projected meeting in the desert, up until WC's Tippecanoe. Colby died on 4/29/96.
Hale Bopp/Heavens Gate: (March 1997). [2/19 - EfD mentions 4/97 as a projected exchange date.]
Dec. '98, Ron the whistle blower.
Paranoia interview, 2000.
Conversations and meetings on and about 9/11/01.
Sept. '02, Bill Hamilton interviews Dan Burisch.
Bob Collins' EfD (Apr '04): further details on the core story.
Summer '04, CF first speaks of briefings.
Serpo (Dec. '05)
Abortive meeting with Jack & Co., Jan '06.
RD tells of a meeting in the EOB (Jan. '06).
Summer '06, CF talks to RD's supervisor.
Jan '07, 'repositioning' of the '20'.


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Post by dan Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:10 am

Thank you, Gary,

And you might have noted that you were quoting from my earlier blog...... http://bestpossibleworld.com/nexu66.htm#timeline

Some of those details I can barely recall...... Is RD Rick Doty, for instance?  I don’t recall his mentioning the EOB.  Foot and I met there just once with the vice president’s national security staff, ostensibly concerning the Chinese poaching of tigers in Russia.   I’m trying to recall if this was before or after ‘95.  In any case, Al Gore was the Vice President.  Leon Fuerth was the advisor, around then.  He was not present...... only younger folks, around Ron’s age..... maybe eight of them.  I don’t recall having said anything.  

Evidently, RD is Rick, but I don’t where I got this piece of information.  It was probably mentioned on a previous page.  

Anyway, it is a reasonable synopsis, up to ‘07.  By the way, CF was catfish, relative to my sunfish, back in the good old days.

I’m guessing that CI is from the Latin acronym for rainbow trout, aka blue jay, etc.  GN is Gordon...... a trip down memory lane.  Gordon was something of a precursor to Kevin.  Gordon was only a bit more flamboyant...... burning stuff, etc.  

We cannot fail to note the previous ‘scrubbings’...... ‘91, ‘96-‘97, ‘16.  

And, by the way, AB, at some point you may wish to peruse the ‘mnemonic’ pages, referenced in previous topic reminders, for technical details.  But you and I are no longer technicians, are we?  

I’ve been hanging out in public, twisting in these breezes, almost forever.  You come in from left field, out of the cold, or from wherever...... from smelly land, somehow.  

foot once asked me, slightly seriously, or, at least as a formality, if I intended to be President.  I said..... thanks, but no thanks.  At that time donny would have already been on that track.  foot urged me to run on the ufo ticket in ‘16.  I spent a couple of days on the phone, before throwing in the towel.  

And so it goes.........

Where would I be without the foot?  Where would he be without the chicken?  His previous wife suggested that we were connected at the hip.  I came onto the scene as #3.  foot suggested sunfish.  

Sorry, AB.  Now all you have to do is tell us what you suspect is actually the case.  

Who do you suspect is ‘us’?  Should we take the numbers on OM, verbatim?  Might there be others?  


12:50.........

Besides Owen, I’m a big fan Julian and his Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.  

That neatly places you and smelly as coming from the right side, and chicken from the left.  

I believe that we will need all our faculties, in these, the latter days.  

With regard to the latter days, we both agree that Nature will take its course.  The only issue is whether Nature has a personal aspect or not.

I do stress the personal, you might have noticed.  

All mystics are pantheists, of some sort.  They are also crypto personalists.  They are all acting in very bad faith, in that regard.  smelly was one of those, wriggle though he might.  I believe that your faith might be a bit more explicit.  I’m confident that we can agree on panentheism, with the [Eschaton] in brackets.



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Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:06 pm

I am a philosopher king who has been reborn after throwing away our crown.

Who needs em.

We are royalty of course just slummin it awhile you might say.

I am open, but semi-honest.

Smelly is a close friend and has entered into silence.

Or let silence surround him more like.

What is there to say really, so I can continue a conversation.

We have seen the light yada yada, been born again, hallelujah!

But we still live in simple life and like to keep it that way, as simple as possible. Move only when needed.

We seek no adventure, we are sinking deep into being, into Self. It drips off us like honey.

I dream of being a classicist, so I hack at it.

I don’t really have anything to say.

You seem to know your shit, well, I’m not too shabby my self.

See, I made contact with intellect.

I’m not here to argue.

The surf just washed me ashore.

If you look deeply across the landscape of ruin, which is the Internet, you found some jewels.

Congrats Dan, you are a shiny one.

Yep, I see your quality.

I smell it.

So, on a personal level, I like to lock horns with ones like yourself and test my own mettle.

I see I have my own quality, but I am a fairly silent bird.

There are some geezer classicists out there that are very shiny.

I think they have hit on it.

It doesn’t take faith.

I really believe they used to use lsd and psychedelics in the old mystery schools and all used to come and do sleep therapy. You had to know Greek to enter. I’m learning Greek myself.

That was my path. I am a psychedelic who was led to Plato and now I’m a student I guess. I self initiated myself into the ancient mystery schools. A squire seeking a knight, not yet ready to become a knight.

They had a much better map and closer tie to the unconscious. They had not abstracted themselves away from themselves. From post-modernism and existentialism, I returned home, my western roots which mix it seems with the east, I think there is much to learn from those old goats. They aren’t guides, they are goats. I’m just on a journey of self, which personalism is a reflection of. All of this is a map to self mastery.

What else you gonna do?

I am working my way through them.
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Post by dan Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:13 pm

AB,

Ok...... are you still unwilling to venture any thoughts on the Eschaton?  

If so, why so?  What is restraining you, we might wonder.  

Myself, or someone in a similar situation, although there is no indication of any such one, might be called upon for real time guidance, as the world heads into the Endtimes.  

Is such a situation inconceivable to you, AB?  

In other words, my being under the bus is simply my last and final cover, relative to Disclosure.  foot will have to decide, with his next appearance here, how much longer we can continue the pretense of my being under the bus....... or have I actually been on top of the bus, all along?  


7:15.........

Certainly, foot is still playing on donny’s side.  I’m on the other side, so we have both sides covered.  

Which would be better for Disclosure?

That is a complicated question, perhaps above any of our pay grades.  

More simply, which is the best possible option?  I guess we’re gonna find out, sooner than later.  

This reminds me of frequently being accused of lying or of duplicity, by the Princess.  That accusation could go either way....... am I over playing or under playing my hand?  It would be a fool’s bet.  

To put it another way....... just because I went along with vegas, that doesn’t mean I have to go along with donny.

Very possibly, foot already knows that donny is going down, but doesn’t want to be seen as a turncoat.  I understand.  

And, it is quite possible that most every tin horn has their personal portal, but the Princess is on the other side of each one.  We shouldn’t put it past her.   I sure don’t.  



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Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:28 pm

We are on our Bus alright.

You drove a spell, well, you don’t have to do all the driving. I see others took a turn or two driving.

Sometimes roads are bumpy.

Sometimes driving is clouds.

As far as the Eschaton...sometimes the road ends.

Or is it the bus crashes with no or bad maps, either could happen unless we consult our map.

I was sent up from our map department.

Everything that begins should have an end though.

But you just wont be able to take anyone’s or tradition’s word as final on anything happening.

We have corrupted sources, and more and more we stray farther and farther away from zero.

Time to go deep and remember what we have forgotten and misconstrued and master our passions.

Each must do it on their own.

No more training wheels.

This only means something to us.

Do we have the courage to own it?

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Post by dan Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:44 pm

SGK,

I’m glad to see that you are making reference to ‘we’, Kimosabe.
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You see, it might well be that donny was simply meant to be the Pied Piper to the deplorables....... every card is on the table, sports fans.



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Post by AtomicBrando Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:09 pm

Once you get beyond the ecstasy, you come to the self and pure seeing.

It is immediately astonishing.

You ask, what have I been doing?!

Whatever you were doing to find yourself simply ceases.

There is no problem.

It is resolved.

Well, then sometimes comes the stench of enlightenment, which you literally experienced with smelly.

His joke was that he embodied the stench of enlightenment which was no philosophy.

You see after you see there is no problem, any desire you had to share this, just evaporates and then you can become a merry prankster if you like or just shut the fuck up and live.

The true seers are silent.

You meet them only in silence.

None of us is above this, no, not one.

We are right smack in the middle of this and we don’t need to escape or even really fix anything.

We learn we should honor our responsibilities and connections to those asleep and in witnessing our example, perhaps they too may inquire of the self, who am i?

If they ask, they will be answered, but that is for each to ask or not.

We see for all of us.
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Post by dan Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:16 am

To put it slightly more succinctly, AB advises non-disclosure.  

Given that most aspects of eschatology are, well..... counterintuitive, at best, I’m sure that the Eschaton ‘option’ would poll in the very low single digits.  

What then would be the advantage of disclosing any such inevitability?  

The mere fact of the oddity and deconstructive nature of the Trump presidency may be the closest we come to a public Disclosure of the Eschaton.  Donald is an implicit Disclosure robot....... a one person Disclosure band....... a monkey on the tweet phone.  

Who would have thunk it....... but the muppets love it...... they can all participate with the Donald in his not very cryptic foreshadowing of the Eschaton.  

Yes, sports fans, this is MEGA....... make the Eschaton great again.  

So, if Trump is a harbinger, what will be the next harbinger?

I’m suspecting that Jeffrey Epstein was a contemporaneous phenomenon, using the girls rather as covers/actuators for the more serious portal sessions/briefings. The girls could also be used for enforcing silence.



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In hindsight, it seems 2004 was a turning point, with Navy Tic-Tac encounters and a more active online presence from Kit Green and Paul Murad (at OSD?) ... NASA antigravity and DoD funding Ning Li http://arc-sos.state.al.us/cgi/corpdetail.mbr/detail?corp=603063&page=name&file= ... and so on ...

Dan needs to further explain his purpose/presence at the https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/eisenhower-executive-office-building/ and hanging with Senate Intelligence folk in '95 (Chris Straub, what about Mellon who was on the same committee at the time?)


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And of course the whistleblower case against Tom Drake (Drake with Chris Robinson, date unknown)

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So we have Straub, Mellon, Drake among the 'insider' members of the phenomenology club. Anyone else we should add to the Magickal Mystery Intel bus tour?


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Post by dan Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:46 am

Sorry, Gary,

I had to resize your images so that they wouldn’t be cropped on an iPad.

I don’t think I’m quite ready to address all these details, but certainly they will be pertinent, once we figure out the bigger picture.  

It’s easier to put together a jigsaw puzzle, if you can see the picture on the box.

I was paying very little attention to many of these details while I was focused on a premillennial approach. But, now, without the Millennium to distract us, the details will be more pertinent from the vantage of an imminent Eschaton.  

I do, for instance, want to reconsider the role of portals, as playing a more central role, now that their function as merely pressure relief valves is being supplanted by their function as Exodus/Rapture conduits.  

We can think of this in terms of ‘Alternative 3’....... coming from a War of the Worlds type of TV ‘hoax’, back in the ‘70s.  

Resource depletion, pollution, etc.... left the PtB with three possibilities...... population reduction, underground shelters/cities and/or sending people Off-world/Hive...... it was to Mars, on the TV show.  

Portals would be relevant to all three scenarios........ portals might even render them politically feasible.  


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Understand that such possibilities become feasible only under the rubric of immaterialism.



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