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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:51 am

    Then listen up.

    I don’t hate you, I see right through this sham.

    I’ll be a troublemaker the rest of my life, you can count on that.

    I’m not going to start a fake religion or march or go into politics.

    I’m going to love the shit out of it.

    How about that?!

    I know it’s all a lie and humanity will not abide it.

    You have raised Leviathan you morons.

    Seriously, who are the fuck ups running this shit show?!

    Prob no one person.

    The world’s instability is caused by the friction of those who have grasped ahold of it.

    Let it go.

    You do not own it, you are a part of it.

    Morons.

    Really, it’s just like the most obvious thing a human being knows.

    Greedy disgusting muppets is what you are.

    Muppets rolling in their waste is funny, I must confess, but then that leads to sadness.

    You don’t want to kick a teddy bear really.

    They are so cute and cuddly until they want to bite your face off.

    But this is my mess to clean up.

    Muppets are almost too stupid to exist with knowledge of good and evil.

    Almost.

    I hope it isn’t what my Daimon has shown me, but it prob is.

    Cause I have some magick phone in my hand now.

    It’s pretty fun.

    I can dialup anyone.

    My Daimon somehow knows the future.

    I suspect we know the future due to some probability calculating function.

    It’s gonna be messy.

    This is what is here and the way it is.

    The Daimon must by the true me, the CPU.

    The nanny process.

    We know what to do.

    Obviously the computer is a representation of our minds.

    It is a left brain interface.

    The left brain has extended itself into tech, but the right brain provided the imagination and creativity to do so.

    It is very beautiful.

    Well the right brain doesn’t use wires.

    Ha!

    It’s fucking mystical, but I see no god or missions.

    Maybe the whole has a will.

    It takes imagination and creativity to cross the abyss.

    Dig it.


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    Post by dan Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:00 am

    Amen.

    There’s gonna be a lot of messy antics, sports fans.

    But I have a word to the wise, smelly...... don’t you dare lay a finger on my muppets.  

    Have you got that?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:04 am

    Odd, Dan is not usually this agreeable.

    To say I care for muppets would be condescending.

    I am...muppet.

    I have faced terror.

    Yah, it’s terrifying.

    Terror has reigned on earth before.

    It comes and goes.

    And I know we mostly act according to our genetic programs.

    We can’t be blamed, as we don’t control all the inputs.

    But we can improve our lot.

    Just through imagination.

    We can let the machine go.

    The machine will destroy the muppet.

    We were always Borg I guess.

    If we know the future and are mostly programmed, why awareness?

    When you begin to suspect that you are the source of the ignorance, you begin to grow.


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    Post by dan Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am

    You asked a rhetorical question, smelly.......... who is running this show?  

    The answer is that I’m the closest you’re ever going to get to any one person who is running this show.

    You don’t have to believe me, but I suspect that, when donny resigns, he’ll tell you the same thing...... and so will the Hasid, for that matter.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:23 am

    You only run your own show Dan.

    The source can only be approached by the individual.

    This is where you are heading off the tracks toward the Great Wall of ignorance.

    But there are wrecked trains up and down this track.

    Go ahead, push the lever to 110%, when you hit the wall, you might break through into reality.

    Break through the wall of light and time.

    Just a hint, perhaps power down the train and walk from here.

    I wish you a beautiful wreck.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:31 am

    smelly,

    Ride or walk....... whatever I do, it will have been written in the stars.

    And, as a matter of fact, I do believe that I’m doing both, but not without your grudging assistance.

    I do believe in double agency, and, in this case, you’re my double agent.  

    I just figured it out, a little before you did.  

    This is what Disclosure is about...... WoM/MoAPS.  


    4:20........

    Perhaps.......... ok, I’ll take that as...... maybe, yes.  I’ll take that to the bank, and see if they’ll cash it.  


    Will the muppets be too upset if donny deigns to (not) run again?  

    Somehow, I think they’ll get over it.  


    4:35.........

    Ack,

    I think we’d rather have a grudging goat than an attack goat.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:03 pm

    Perhaps.

    Shrug.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:31 pm

    The east meets the west and shakes hands.

    It gives me the warm fuzzies inside and out.

    Yay!

    The right and left hemispheres of the mind are merging.

    Excellent.

    I have you both figured out.

    Just stick to your protocols come hell or high water.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:43 pm

    dan wrote:

    Ack,

    I think we’d rather have a grudging goat than an attack goat.  

    Okay
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:56 pm

    A true person or authentic person, does not need to argue anything with anyone.

    They are living their life fully and that's all the wisdom one needs.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:24 pm

    I just argue with folks who are heedless.

    Which, at this point in time, is roughly 99.99%.


    6:10..........

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/opinion/sunday/trump-christian-conservatives.html


    Headless........? Headless, as smelly defines it, would be about 0.01%.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:06 pm

    But you still don’t know how to talk to the headless!

    Which is the .01%

    You gotta be one to know.

    Cultivate what you don’t know.


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    Post by dan Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:11 pm

    And great minds think alike.......
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:35 pm

    When I speak here, I’m speaking to the ones drawn to know themselves.

    Dan is just a placeholder.

    I am speaking to the appearances of my self.

    I can say I have inquired into who I am here living.

    WOW

    Mind blown!

    **POW**

    What an amazing exploration.

    All should try it.

    I am grateful.

    I am awed that I could go on a journey at all.

    Why isn’t everyone doing anything to get at themselves?!

    They fear and hate themselves for compromising.

    They are slaves I know.

    Maybe slaves should just be slaves.

    Maybe the world only belongs to the ones awake.

    I don’t understand it accept to say when asleep, you don’t care about your self, you only care about your appearance.

    I don’t see sleeping as grace.

    It is not natural for us to sleep.

    It is a spell.

    The most powerful spell captivating our minds.

    This side of knowing, it seems pretty awful.

    What is it to be headless?

    I am no longer a religious person, but I know I am saved Wink

    The damndest thing.



    We are the still point of the turning world as T.S. so beautifully said.

    The dance couldn’t happen without the world and the still point.

    “Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind cannot bear very much reality.”



    I am the danger and mostly determined at birth.

    We are infinite curves in finite space.

    And if it wasn’t so, we would be trapped in the same motion forever.

    But you are not trapped.

    You are the still point about which the world turns.
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    Post by dan Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:39 am

    smelly,

    Spoken as a true personalist...... with the slight caveat...... isn’t it a darn shame that we are stuck here..... in the best possible world.

    The worst possible world is left to our imagination.  

    The best possible will contain hints of the worst, of course.  Well, Auschwitz was something more than a hint.  It was an object lesson.  

    I even grant your being saved........ but you just haven’t figured out how or why you have been saved.  

    But, trust me, smelly........ you will.  

    I guess the chicken knows something you don’t.  

    Yes, every last one of us participates in the global salvation, whether we want to or not.  It’s the only reason why we’re here.  

    smelly doesn’t like to sleep.   That is something curious.  Tell us more about that........


    1:20...........

    If we are to take smelly’s testimony at face value, he has had a close encounter with the Source.  This encounter has stuck with him.  He has patterned his subsequent life around that encounter.  

    I don’t think that Eric/smelly would discount the probability that Jesus and Paul had such encounters.  

    It is even true, by his own admission, that smelly is not averse to proselytizing his encounter, both here and elsewhere.  

    He even agrees that the chicken serves as a ‘placeholder’, of some sort.  

    He even admits to having been saved, and not necessarily by his own exertion or good works.  

    What he most strenuously takes exception to is the notion of a cosmic conspiracy toward the end of a global salvation.  

    He also takes exception to history, as being anything other than a tale of sound and fury.  

    History is written in the stars....... in the Aeons.  History exists in service to the Source.  History is teleological...... with an Alpha and Omega.  

    Disclosure will be the Omega.  Millennium?  I’m backing off of that.  The Omega is the climax...... what comes subsequently is just a winding down of history.  It will be an anti-climax.  

    Our communications systems will play a big role in the climax.  

    That is why the bird tribes have returned...... to oversee the climax.

    I suspect that donny has had a significant role to play...... up to now.  I suspect that one of the ‘glitches’ will involve donny.  

    The Omega will be our global close encounter with the Source.  

    It has all been orchestrated in the Aeons...... we go with the flow.  

    smelly has certain trepidations.  

    Like Aliyah, smelly fears that he will be trampled in the rush...... it will be like Black Friday, according to some.  Fear not, says the Angel.  

    Everyone will have a place at the banquet table in the sky.  

    I am your personal placeholder.  

    Even donny, Adolf and Wyschogrod will have a place at the table.  The rest of us need fear not.  

    What else is there to say........ vaya con Dios.......

    See you on the other side.......



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:22 pm

    HA

    This art of speech!

    It is funny to communicate.

    To even have an idea of what it means feels strange.

    I have feelings and sensations I am aware of not aware of.

    Billions and billions of happenings in my body provide space to be aware.

    What is being aware and what is space?

    Haha.

    I look into the abyss of my ashes...

    Hmmm, what do I see and feel and think...

    I feel I carry all the dead within me.

    I see I am not alone here.

    “I have already explained in the preface to the first edition, that my philosophy is founded on that of Kant, and therefore presupposes a thorough knowledge of it. I repeat this here. For Kant's teaching produces in the mind of everyone who has comprehended it a fundamental change which is so great that it may be regarded as an intellectual new-birth.”

    Schopenhauer came to embrace the world as appearance from reason. I found an intellectual new birth ingesting Ayahuasca and expressing my art.

    Fascinating to meet then here at similar points.

    To meet in the middle at the still point.

    Though the way be circuitous it always ends in the center.
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    Post by dan Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:27 pm

    If we could just turn Schopenhauer into a personalist, we’d have it made in the shade.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:11 pm

    No need.

    He argued for intuitive knowledge being before calculated knowledge.

    Also I tip my hat to his idea our love relationships are the real meat of life.

    He is talking a lot about the Big Love.

    I’m with him on love and intutition.

    Eugenics might be what we end up doing to adapt.

    Shrug.

    Intuition is a big part of figuring out things are what they are and have an inner aspect, as we do.

    And love provides the space.

    Words are just metaphors for actual things and their form and function.

    Spirit is just the breath.

    It takes a mind reset no doubt to look again at things.

    You have to do a double take.

    It takes imagination.

    Learning to trust and hone that intuition is a good use of your time as far as navigating the sense world of appearances go.

    Chaos shows us calculating is no better at predicting things maybe than intuitive guessing.

    I love how that frustrates the provers.

    Cultivate what you don’t know.

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    Post by dan Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:42 am

    smelly,

    Alright, Schopenhauer saw himself as a continuation from Kant who is usually considered to be a proto-personalist.

    I certainly agree with your observation on love and intuition as being key to personalism.  

    But where the heck are you getting this eugenics business.......?  

    I know of no personalist who has ever breathed a word about eugenics.  

    In fact, on the face of it, eugenics would be an absolute anathema to any sort of personalism.  

    It would the first priority to understand how eugenics managed to sneak into your mind, at this juncture.  


    11........

    The answer to my last question was staring right at me when I reopened my iPad......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer#Heredity_and_eugenics

    smelly and Schopenhauer have, somewhat unwittingly, spelled out the political portal to Disclosure.......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

    This, on the face of it, does seem an unlikely gambit, sports fans, but unlikeliness is a substantial aspect of this sport, just in case you hadn’t already realized it.

    So, yes, sports fans, watch me go Antifa on the Jews.......

    Did the Jews originate fascism?  It could easily be argued, and I’m so inclined.  

    Are Steve Bannon and Jason Jorjani also fascists?  It rather seems so.

    The only way out is to be a Jew for Jesus.  I’ll have to check the JJ view on matrilineality  

    The answer there is simple....... as long as they maintain an evangelical posture, even if mainly toward fellow Jews, but do not enforce Jewish customs, then they pass muster....... certainly in my book.  

    And, if, in the meantime, they are waiting on the hills of Chester county and the West Bank for the Messiah, then it looks like they may be the crux of the cosmic plan of Salvation.  

    Who’d a thunk it?  

    Now, all I have to do is convince the Princess.  

    The Princess and the Jews for Jesus will be the spearhead of the MoAPS.  Yes, onward Christian/Antifa soldiers........ will smelly be bringing up the rear?  

    In order to initiate this plan of action, I have a call into Alien Protocol...... my long lost buddy...... of Big Love fame......

    Actually, foot had wondered if I was still in contact with AP.  

    I suspect that AP also has certain designs on messiahship...... hey, the more the merrier.  


    noon/ft/gmt-3............

    From 2003 to 2007, the movement grew from 150 Messianic houses of worship in the United States to as many as 438, with over 100 in Israel and more worldwide; congregations are often affiliated with larger Messianic organizations or alliances.[22][23] As of 2012, population estimates for the United States were between 175,000 and 250,000 members, between 10,000 and 20,000 members for Israel, and an estimated total worldwide membership of 350,000.
    Alright, sports fans........

    It appears that the Arab spring has come belatedly to Hong Kong...... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/07/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-us-chamber-commerce.html
    It’s funny that they are protesting the US Chamber of Commerce along with the Chicoms, and while donny is still trying to buddy up to Xi.  

    Maybe this is the glitch that we’ve been waiting for.  I doubt that donny is actually this stupid.  He is actually a fascist stooly is my guess.  

    The Hong Kong demonstration is meant to coincide with Human Rights Day.  I guess we need to rededicate HRD as Persons Day........ but we already have PD........ 24/7/365........

    The fact that donny is holding hands with the fascists, worldwide, does remove some of the calumny that the democracy movement is just a CIA plot.  

    But, of course, we know that the chicken is a CIA plot.  

    Is Buddy a CIA plot?  He is not responding.  


    1.........

    The most significant aspect of Messianic Judaism is its recognition of a new covenant, after the Abrahamic Covenant.  This recognition, generally, is referred to as Covenantalism.  

    This, of course, is a direct contravention of the notion of Abraham’s promise, as recently set forth by Wyschogrod.  

    One of the tenets of messianic Jews is opposition to replacement theology. An obvious compromise would be to advocate partial replacement....... with Jews as the ultimate Witnesses to the Endtimes and the Second Coming.



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    No, I’m not into eugenics, I was joking about it because Schopenhauer apparently was into it, so no one is perfect was the joke.

    Anyhoo.

    I fucking hate fascists.

    That’s a joke too Wink

    I love the little fascists.

    They are some bugged muppets with an agenda.

    You know me, I certainly have no agenda.

    The experience is the treasure.



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    I’m not quite sure where this is coming from.......  It’s all over now, baby blue.......


    2.......

    Don’t we look like a butterfly to you?



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    Bend the bow

    In the flow

    Let it go
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:57 am

    And what do we think I’ve been doing for the past fifty years?  

    What smelly doesn’t understand is that muppets are especially good at this form of magic.

    Actually, if truth be known, they are better at it than the goat.

    For a long time, he thought that the foot was my albatross. He might be beginning to think again.
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    This is what is happening

    This is experience

    We all participate

    Some are rats and some are heroes

    Take it easy

    Don’t let the sounds

    Of your own mind

    Drive you crazy

    We ought to take it easy

    After running so hot
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:01 am

    Running hot.........?

    Hey, I only run after the Princess. Is there something wrong with that?

    I guess smelly is not big on chivalry.

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