Notes from under the bus...... to Monadnock

First topic message reminder :

To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

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Ack,

Paul seemed not to bat an eye.
........


Neither am I surprised that the show goes on.  

If this be Disclosure, I heartily approve......... just expressing my personal opinion.  


So, sports fans, here we have Disclosure proceeding on, at least, two fronts....... personhood and visitor-hood.  

Anyone for a trifecta?  

Now, mind you, of all the infinite facets of the BPWH, I consider personhood to be, by far, the most important...... personally...... and globally.



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Not surprising.

Yes, the show always goes on....forever and for always.

Just keep your eyes on the prize sports fans and you'll see why.

What is the prize?

You'll see it when you see it and you won't believe it.

It's the simple things that are the sweetest.

People are only as complicated as one might think they are.

In reality, at the core of each person is a Dude that is living the good simple life.

dan wrote:Well, Scott,

Have you learned anything from either smelly or Ack that you can share with the rest of us?


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Dan,

Seems the guys are advocating to slack on..

that there is nothing needing doing, except to smell the flowers and enjoy just this.

seems like a plan


Of Personhood,  I feel there can be no doubt.

It is also great that a unanimous consensus of this fact has now been reached on the Board

As to climbing and the spiritual quest, well...  I kind of sense Santiago's quest tells a tale.. lol

Its a nice story...

I agree with Ack. You can't know the self directly.

Only through this and our interactions can we know.

I think I have, we have dare I say, more to lose.. but so much more to gain.

dan wrote:Ack,


So, sports fans, here we have Disclosure proceeding on, at least, two fronts....... personhood and visitor-hood.  

Anyone for a trifecta?  


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So Dan what makes up our Trifecta?

Aren't we all persons and visitors in this world

Old habits die hard.

Ack has taken a pissy tone, mine is the same as when I showed up here.

Let's be honest about what we can know and how we can live.

A pissy tone huh?

You lost me on that one.

I'm all smiles.


Grins reflecting grins reflecting grins.



slack on.

Ack wrote:

Grins reflecting grins reflecting grins.



slack on.

Have to commend you on that

You made me laugh oh yes and grin

Nice line..

now piss off smelly goat.


You wan't pissy, I can give you pissy.

You know what it is to be honest about what we can know and how we can live?

You show you know by the way you play.

That's the name of the game sports fans....

I'm being honest by living the good life....simple and free.

I know exactly what I want.

Just this.

Everything I ever wanted is right here.

I see it.
I like it.
I want it.
I got it.

What I want is really to not know what I want.

I like surprises.

I want to see what happens next.

It's a marvel to be here not knowing.

I'm clouds.

Cuan Scott wrote:

dan wrote:Well, Scott,

Have you learned anything from either smelly or Ack that you can share with the rest of us?


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Dan,

Seems the guys are advocating to slack on..

This makes me smile.



Slack on and don't forget to stop and smell the flowers.

There was conversation with foot.  He stipulates that the Kiviat case has not been going anywhere...... and fast.  

In other words, the K case is not one of the expected glitches.  

One claim is that the entire impeachment brouhaha may just disappear out of the news........ sooner than later.  

As to prospective glitch #2 ......... there were two previous such glitches....... which involved my realization of prior knowledge.  

Two possible instances came readily to mind.  foot allowed that we probably had the same two instances in mind...... and I never left them to anyone’s imagination.  

With the disappearance of impeachment, he is hopeful that stuff will get back on track, with donny.  This development may be of interest to the chicken.  

Ok, make a chicken’s day.  

The time frame for either/or was said to be ten days.  Wonderful.  


9:10.........

It was stated that we would simply go back to political business as usual. It has occurred to me that this second part of the statement could have been a deliberate misdirection. For instance, it could be that another development could simply eclipse the impeachment stuff.



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I know your kidding but dan doesn’t.

But that just makes it more fun really.

I’m clouds, stealing my best stuff

But I see you are apparently paying attention.

Yes, I have to admit, smelly seems to have a nose for the good stuff.

Thank you for sharing.

Breathe in

Breathe out

Eat

Drink

Sleep

Remove waste

Move around as needed to accomplish the above

That’s all of it

The rest is imagination

Yes true, that’s all of it.

But also, that simple game of life we play is so much more than we could ever capture with conventional language.

Take for instance the simple act of drinking a good cup of joe. In its essence something very simple like that is actually an indescribably wonderous experience.

Just being here is wild if you think about it, and don’t think about it.

Anyway Dan, my game has become too simple for you I guess.

I can’t really engage you anymore on the level you are projecting.

I just go yah yah.

I know I should move along.

Something has shifted.

Things shift.

I can’t say my way is a way for anyone else.

So where does that leave us?

Nowhere really.

You need nothing from me or ack or the princess or anyone.

You don’t need god or Jesus or or Buddha or eschatology to make your life meaningful.

You make your life meaningful.

I know you are having the best one, as I am, as I hope all I know have.

I hope they enjoy their lives, not as a burden, but a joy.

That includes the ugly parts.

Especially the ugly parts.

A best possible history of many worlds

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/long-live-the-multiverse/

I thought Gary might enjoy this.

https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html

I continue to be distracted by the impeachment process, but the end may now be in sight.  Does this mean that within ten days we will have forgotten about it, as stated by foot?  I don’t think so.  Will the country be more divided as a result?  Quite possibly.  

What will be the political fallout.......?  

Because of lack of cohesion or coherence on the Democratic side, Trump has a good chance of being re-elected.  

What may be more critical will be the control of the Senate.  The House will remain Democratic, hopefully.  

It is possible that Bloomberg would be the strongest contender against Trump, if no one else emerges.  

This may be back to business as usual.  It seems very unlikely that Trump, or anyone else will be tempted to play politics with Disclosure.  

If something is to come out in another country, Ukraine is still the most likely  

If there is going to be a ‘glitch’, it will be out of the blue.  


2.............

Let’s get back to personhood.........

If there is going to be a conceptual breakthrough, this will be the most likely arena.  

This is where the mystics/pantheists and materialists are most vulnerable.  We could easily subvert both at once.  

The main problem would be with the prophetic folks, who are still strongly attached to metaphysical dualism...... the dichotomy of Creator/Creation.  

And I notice that Google has sent me a link to the following.......

Conti's Reclamation of Farrer's Cosmological Personalism: A Pragmatist's Response

Roger A. Badham
The Personalist Forum
Vol. 12, No. 1, Metaphysical Personalism (Spring 1996), pp. 18-34

Hardly any of this or related journal material is accessible by me, on line.  I have not seen anything, however, that speaks to a small world.  

This particular journal ceased publication in 1999.  

The use of the adjective ‘cosmological’ in the above context appears to be largely gratuitous....... ‘metaphysical’ might be more accurate.  


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Those in the prophetic tradition are not given to identifying Creator and Creatures.  The exception is Jesus, who had no offspring.  

The concept of personhood comes mainly from the Trinity, explicitly consisting of three persons.  If God is a person, and Jesus is a person, and Alice is a person, what is the ontological distinction?  

What do personalists say (qua personalism)........?  

It is an approach or system of thought which regards or tends to regard the person as the ultimate explanatory, epistemological, ontological, and axiological principle of all reality, although these areas of thought are not stressed equally by all personalists and there is tension between idealist, phenomenological, existentialist, and Thomist versions of personalism.

A person is a being of ultimate value.  We can either say that all persons are created equal, or, as monists, say the is only one person.  I consider trinitarianism to be a step in this direction.  

What do we say to the pantheists......?  

The only knowledge of this any cosmic existence must originate in the self.  There is no reason to suppose there is more than one self, in any ultimate, ontological sense.

All consciousness is derived from a primordial observer.  

This is simply a cosmic solipsism, if you will.  This notion follows pretty much from the testimony of most any mystic.  

In other words, the mystic becomes one with God.  All of us are would-be mystics...... or mystics at the core of our being...... poets and artists.  


7:20.........

The favored alternative to personalism, besides theism, is atomism.  

Theism, by its definition, is personal, as compared to deism, for instance.  

The other prophetic traditions have us created in the image of God.  How are we to take that, if not personally?  

The only excuse for not being a personalist is to be a humanist.  I will argue that, that is a rather poor excuse.  


9:10...........

Right from the start, we have a problem......... humanism does not rank as a philosophy.  For instance, in the SEP, humanism is to be found mainly in conjunction with existentialism.  

Humanism is, very often, implicitly based on the notion of human progress, which, in its turn, is explicitly based on the notion of material progress.  

If the notion of material progress is being questioned, humanism is of little assistance.  

The core of existentialism is its focus on subjective human experience...... that man is the measure of all things.  

To this extent, existentialism and humanism are implicitly, if not explicitly, personalist.  

Only if you are a diehard materialist can you escape the clutches of personalism.  

And, by the way, you may recall my anguish over personal freedom.  Well, check out Aquinas’ account of dual agency, for instance.  I’m hardly alone in facing this problem.  

Will our ultimate identity with the Monad........ our ascent of Monadnock.... will it entail our having to transcend the personal?  

No, not as long as we consider altered states of consciousness to be integral to the person........ dreaming, for instance.  

Hey, we haven’t lived, if we haven’t experienced cosmic consciousness. Some are more willing than others to defer the ecstatic. Me? I have to be on the lookout for the next glitch. It keeps me out of worse trouble.



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There is nothing as fun
as the knowing and
then forgetting
of oneself...ha
what a joke

—smellygoat

Breathe in...

Breathe out...

All better.

smelly,

I know something funner than you know.  I know that Disclosure/Wokeness is alive and well.  

Furthermore, I know that I’m the only human to know this, at this time.  

Someday, the chicken will be proven correct........ or there will be a better chicken, at a better time, at a better place.  

Only human........?  Let’s just say that I’m the most human with the least cheating.  

Other folks may already know this, but only because they have been briefed.  

Or....... the same ones who are aware of the R,A&D show are also aware that this show is a cover for the better show.  

That last caveat, however, is ringing hollow to my ears.  That other scenario is making less sense to me, by the day.  

I don’t know that foot has ever spoken to any President, and particularly not on the topic of Disclosure.  

I don’t know that the Princess has ever been within a mile of a portal.  

But I do see the handwriting on the wall...... even though it may just be spray paint.  

What’s more important is that I have a mustard seed of faith and the courage of my conviction.  

And, sports fans, my ultimate claim is that I know myself far better than smelly knows himself........ despite all protestations to the contrary.  

And allow me to qualify........ I know myself better for all practical/historical purposes.  I must admit that is a rather low bar, when the contrast is with someone who disavows history and practice.  

All I have to say to smelly is that he is ignorant of the self if he is ignorant of its social/historical context.  

Ok, so what is next in this social/historical drama......?  

I was told that a glitch is next.  Do I believe that?  

Not necessarily.  I don’t know the foot well enough to know what motivates his words........ I cherry pick...... after the fact..... the same way I do with the Bible...... that’s why I claim to know Jesus better than........ anyone I’m aware of...... and I’m telling you...... it’s not what you know..... it’s who you know.  

It’s also called...... trust and verify.  And you do have to trust before you can verify....... in the most significant instances.  If you don’t trust anything, you can never know anything.  

Do I know the Father......?  That might be a trick question.  

First of all, the baby must know the mother....... from there, it is just extrapolation and interpolation for the rest of our lives....... and beyond, presumably.  


noon/ft/gmt-3..........

Let’s get back to the Jews...........

The Jews, with perfectly good reason, claim to own the prophetic tradition.  

My counter claim is that I’ve got news for you guys.  

In fact, my news is the best possible news.  

I would love to debate this point, but I think you guys are........ more than a bit chicken...... and for good reason.  

But, you may rest assured that you and I will have ample opportunity to debate this point, because it is written in the stars that y’all will be the witness to my messy antics.  

Then there is this.......... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/opinion/america-story.html

And this...... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-mckinsey.html .......

“There are some candidates who want to distract from the fact that they have not released the names of their clients and have not released the names of their bundlers.”

Bundlers...........?  Hmmm........ that’s an interesting word.  

Glitch........?  

Maybe...... just maybe...... donny’s gonna step down.  That would solve quite a few problems....... connect quite a few dots, imho.  

What kind of portal is McKinsey......?  

McKinsey’s focus in Iraq during the latter part of George W. Bush’s presidency and the early years of Barack Obama’s was to help the defense department identify Iraqi state-owned enterprises that could be revived. The idea was to provide employment for men who might otherwise join the insurgency against the American-led occupation......

At Harvard, his senior thesis had drawn parallels between the United States’ seeking to “save” Vietnam from “godless Communism,” and the 17th-century Puritan ministers who had come to America to civilize “savage lands.”

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Oh boy

smelly, my boy........

It only gets better........

“Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.”

Fe fi fo fum........ I smell blood.....

And this........ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/nyregion/jewish-discrimination-hasidic-ag-ny.html

I haven’t read the article, but here is my judgement, off the top...... the Jews are claiming religious discrimination, but Jews don’t actually have a religion...... they have a bloodline...... the seed of Abraham, which, of course, is a falsehood. It should read....... the seed of Sarah.  



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dan wrote:smelly, my boy........

It only gets better........

“Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.”

Fe fi fo fum........ I smell blood.....

The quote is from a foolish muppet who has obviously never found or walked cold mountain.

Too bad.

The ignorance of the polis is amusing.

I’ve had my fun with it.

I directly engaging people from the heart.

This is how the way flows.

There is nothing truly to say, it is amazing to me to see the dawning realization in the kids I’m working with...that they are enough!

They can make the best of it in our slave society.

I remind them often we are slaves of institutional corrupt power.

I feel like a proud parent kinda.

They went on and on about how I had experience and they needed me, pleaded with me to help.

I help in my smelly way.

I don’t need to say anything, just remind them what they already know.

They heard the tune.

I am just an example of it in their face.

I am simply a man who has settled all accounts.

Incorruptible and incorrigible.

We can provide light enough around us for others to remove the veil hiding their lamps.

There are only two topics of interest to being.

Imagination and creativity.

One enables the other.

We are world makers.

I told them you already know what you need to know.

Step up.

They already know what to do.

The ones of us who can truly express our being creatively in the light of imagination are at play in this world.

We simply invite the rest of you out to play.

We seem to be able move mountains, by moving with the mountains.

Mountains move if you didn’t know that.

Disclosure has nothing to do with it.

Some crazy story one of the townspeople won’t shut up about.

But this right here, sells itself.

Nothing is more real than this.

There is nothing to know but this.

Nothing to pontificate about or dissect.

I know now who the wisest of Plato’s Academy was.

The goat eating all the grass.

How this functions around us really need not be our concern.

We can concern ourselves with each other.

Out there doesn’t matter until we find who we really are in one another.

We are at play in the mind of the cosmos.

Enjoy it.

The prison of the Gnostics is not the cosmos, it is our civilization.

It is utterly corrupt.

We must do away with it like garbage.

Clean your house and then burn the house.

Do not hide in your homes.

Come out!

I set fires.

I love to see the paper world burn.

Amen, brother, but easy does it.  You might be on candid camera.  


The Hasid in Chester county are copying what the Hasid are doing on the West Bank...... they are following God’s command to be fruitful and multiply the seed of Sarah.  

All I need to say is...... wonderful, when donny resigns I’ll see you guys in court.  



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