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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:02 am

    I’m reading up on the term “eschatology”.

    This from Wikipedia,
    The word arises from the Greek ἔσχατος eschatos meaning "last" and -logy meaning "the study of", and first appeared in English around 1844.

    So eschatology is the study of the last. But what does that mean though? It is the study of the last what?

    Going back to Dan’s interview with Paranoia magazine we find this,

    DS: If history is to have any meaning, it must have a beginning, middle and ending, as does any story. Linear time will come to an end. Life will go on in some form, but not this one. The rigidities of space and time will dissolve. The boundaries between our different states of consciousness will become more fluid. The so-called Millennium will be our time for wrapping our mundane affairs and preparing for our transition to a less physical existence.

    I have to agree with Mr Smith here, if history is to have any meaning, it must have a beginning, middle, and end, as does any story.

    So we might say eschatology is the study of the last story. Could this story be the story to end all stories? Yes, I would say this is the story to end all stories.

    Where does the second coming fit in to all this?

    Well just have to be patient and see.

    I’m confident things are lined up as necessary for the final showdown.

    One thing is certain, history will be totally swallowed up by the omega.

    The second coming will play a part in preparing the world for a global paradigm shift in consciousness leading up to the Omega.

    I believe this global paradigm shift is what Dan has termed the MoAPS.

    It’s the gestalt switch to the small world hypothesis (swh)


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:12 am

    Ack,

    Study of the Last things (or Endtimes)....... is how you often see eschatology referred to in scriptures.

    Yes, the Omega does tend to swallow the Alpha...... that’s its job.

    The Second Coming is the Spirit of Truth, aka Holy Ghost.  


    1........

    Here are the two main problems for the BPWH.........

    1.)  the God problem

    2.)  the Soul problem

    We can rightfully say that there is no God, all appearances notwithstanding.  

    We can rightfully say that there is no soul, all appearances notwithstanding.  

    Instead of these two things, there is just one thing...... the eternal Source.  

    The Source is a microcosm of us, and we are a microcosm of the Source.  

    We contain the Source and the Source contains us.  In other words, the Source is by us, for us, and about us.  

    You may think of the Source in terms of potency and potentiality...... as realized in the best possible Creation.  

    But the Creation has never been distinct from the Source.  

    We are a gleam in the eye of the primal Observer....... the primal Observer is a gleam in the eye of us, Creatures.  

    There could have been many primal observers, but ‘as soon as’ we cognized the others, we formed a primal Conspiracy.  

    The other way to think of Creation is that we are the multiple personality disorder of that lonely primal observer....... we are her imaginary playmates.  

    We can employ either a Big Bang or a Steady State cosmology......depending on how one wishes to construct or deconstruct time.  


    Back to the Soul........ one may think of it as our quantum window on the world..... our quantum aperture........ http://bestpossibleworld.com/nexu54.htm#quantum%20mind

    We may think of our personal quantum aperture of our brain/mind as our personal cosmic umbilical cord back to the Source...... we are each a pearl on Indra’s necklace/net.  

    So, yes, the best possible world is both Soulless and Godless...... it could even be termed as Sourceless.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:15 am

    dan wrote:Ok, smelly,

    Let’s suppose the the Second Coming comes to you.  

    What are you gonna do with it?  Kill it?


    I have been reading...... https://www.academia.edu/10165836/Between_Paradigm_Shift_Judaism_and_Neo-Hasidism_The_New_Metaphysics_of_Jewish_Renewal_with_a_response_by_Zalman_Schachter-Shalomi  .......  interesting article.  



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    I’d smoke a blunt with him and we would laugh at you all.

    You prob missed the memo.

    Jesus is in the ghetto.

    And he aint talking to you stupid whities.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:21 am

    Listen to ole Bob Ross Dan.

    We don’t have no problems, only happy accidents.

    Eschatology is made up nonsense.

    Just sayin.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:24 pm

    smelly,

    You believe that history is made up, so, on that basis, I would agree with you that the Eschaton is made up.  

    I also believe that atoms and stars are made up.  Do you agree with that?


    9...........

    I am rather biased, but I do believe that the Republican Representatives’ efforts to defend Trump were ineffective, at best.

    The political reality is that some Republicans in the House may not be willing to fall on their political swords defending donny.  

    Over the following weeks of testimony, some of those Republicans will peel away from the donny die hards.  

    Most of those who defect will do so on purely political grounds.  Wouldn’t it be amazing to see one or two to do so on moral grounds?  

    The political calculus is complicated by the necessary strategy for the primaries.  Will Republican contenders running further to the right be able to count on the Republican voters also willing to fall on that sword?  

    It will depend a lot on what sort sentiment the politicians run into over the Thanksgiving break.  

    If the sentiment keeps trending down for donny, he may start reconsidering a re-election bid...... unless he contemplates a Christmas surprise, along the lines we’ve discussed.  

    If his motivation is mainly entertainment, he may not want to have watch the fun continue to leak out of his party balloons.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:27 pm

    Eschatology is not history.

    Planets and stars appear as well here.

    Just go with it.

    Eschatology is a Fantasyland of religious nuts too stupid to wake themselves up.

    They don’t realize they have followed a will to power in us.

    False equivalency.

    They are trying to usurp being.

    Idiotz.

    Smile and nod at them, poor foolz Wink


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:30 pm

    smelly,

    You are now saying that history is not fantasy.  

    What else is not fantasy?

    Have ideas mattered in history....... or is it just a tale full of sound and fury?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:36 pm

    History is our apparent story.

    Much misery and fantasy and pragmatism in history.

    But being is before and after all of it.

    I have no history.

    I doubt you understand me.


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:37 pm

    If history is not had by you, then who has it?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:40 pm

    No one owns or holds it.

    Let go of it.

    Watch what happenz.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:15 pm

    smelly, my boy,

    Allow me to let you in on a little secret......

    We are about to let go of history, and there is already a name for it....... it’s called the Eschaton.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm

    The End.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:09 pm

    Ack,

    Endings are relative to beginnings. The best possible Ending will reintroduce us to the best possible Beginning...... as our descendants become our ancestors. It all stays in our present family.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:27 pm

    True.

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    Post by Foot Mann Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:37 pm

    One thing for sure, as somethings endure, the Chicken is always wrong. The Vectors are clear, no change is near, despite how the Chicken must fear. Under the bus, fetid with pus, the Chicken seeks truth from below; but the truth is not there, and he may not dare, to embrace the Vectors affair.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:02 pm

    Everyone just stick to their protocols.

    Everything is perfect.

    The transition from separation of church and state to that of a unified vision is just around the corner.

    Foot might be acting under the direction of the Princess.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:12 pm

    The truth iz a lie.

    The lack of awarenezz demonstrated by Foot and crew iz profound.

    All truthsayerz are liarz.

    I’ll take your truth and up you two phat bluntz.

    Vectorz are liez of thiz system which iz over.

    It’s already over, really.

    We did it.

    It’s finished.

    We broke through the liez.

    Yay!!!

    Oh, you haven’t done this yet?

    Too bad.

    The last one standing, iz the idiot still trying to change thingz.

    Dan, potatoe potata.

    Be at ease muppetz.

    Keep it light and easy.

    I succeed through perfect slacking.

    Dude-jitsu

    Oh, you can’t do that Wink

    Children, I can only point, you have to go look yourself.

    Smelly goats are smelly.

    No apologies or take backs.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:51 pm

    Goats not done yet.

    The Underworld speaks...

    You have been walking the ocean's edge,
    holding up your robes to keep them dry.

    You must dive naked under and deeper under,
    a thousand times deeper. Love flows down.

    The ground submits to the sky and suffers what comes.
    Tell me, is the earth worse for giving in like that?

    Do not put blankets over the drum.
    Open completely.


    “Silence is an ocean. Speech is a river.
    When the ocean is searching for you, don't walk
    into the language-river. Listen to the ocean,
    and bring your talky business to an end
    Traditional words are just babbling in that
    presence, and babbling is a substitute
    for sight.”

    ―Rumi
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:43 pm

    Now I will tel you the secret joy of having no future.

    Once it has passed away...

    Every moment is an experience of being.

    A profound wonder.

    Every moment, a new joy.

    And my possible death.

    No take backs.

    Who else sees you have to do this with no net?

    No hope.

    The ashes of my future fall from my fingers like grey fractal snow.

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    Post by dan Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:11 am

    foot........
    One thing for sure, as somethings endure, the Chicken is always wrong. The Vectors are clear, no change is near, despite how the Chicken must fear. Under the bus, fetid with pus, the Chicken seeks truth from below; but the truth is not there, and he may not dare, to embrace the Vectors affair.
    I believe that foot is referring to my speculations about donny’s political future.

    The truth is that Donald’s political future is not a part of my SoT portfolio.  However, as a political animal, I do indulge in such speculation, from time to time.  

    I also attempt to counterbalance foot’s highly partisan take on our Endtimes politics.  

    Also, as with the Holocaust, I have to defend the Creator in allowing such folks as Adolf and Donald to occasionally strut the stage...... as I would defend vegas in retrospect.  Ours is the college of hard knocks...... to put it very mildly.  

    Until Adolf came along, the Jews were allowed to hide their lamp under a bushel. Now, they know full well that there is no place to hide. Their light must shine forth.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:31 am

    One might wonder what will happen to donny and every other tin horn after the 1000 year millennium wraps up.

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    Post by dan Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:38 am

    Ack,

    1,000 years........?

    No, my dear boy, their time is up, now.   This is their last hurrah, and they know it.  

    God is coming back, and she’s p*ssed!  

    And take a look at Jewish Renewal.  It’s about time...... the End time.  

    I just don’t want my goddaughter’s dad to feel that he has to go down with the donny ship...... just be sure to turn the lights off, before you swim ashore...... back into Kashmir’s arms.  

    That’s my free advice....... from a political naïf.  

    And I have spoken with the free lancer, Keith.  It will be an uphill battle to win him away from TTSA...... but try I will.  

    https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/ ...... Hmmm...... maybe not so hard.  


    12:30/ft(gmt-3)..........

    https://issues.org/ufos-wont-go-away/  ...... more from Keith.   I’m impressed...... he’s doing better reporting than the NYT did on the Nimitz story.  He must be wondering who got that story planted in the Times.  I think he may not have to look much further.  


    And, yes, I do see the picture of the Princess on the beech, but who is that hiding behind her apron strings?  foot can’t hide much longer, either.  

    Maybe foot had better check his 32 Vectors again...... we can never be too sure...... can we?  


    While I’m in the business of free advice, I have this to offer to Keith....

    Keith is close to realizing that the Times/Nimitz story was likely a plant.

    Where does one go from there?  

    I would think about the Dolan/Davis/Wilson story...... https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/  

    This story cuts a lot closer to the truth of the matter.  

    And what is the Truth?...... as Pontius notably asked, once upon a time.  

    There are just two possibilities.......

    1.)  We are dealing with an extraterrestrial phenomenon, or......

    2.)  We are dealing with an inter dimensional phenomenon.  

    If this were the best possible Disclosure, I’d definitely want to lead off with #1.  

    #2, in this historical context, is likely to be interpreted as a sign of the times........ speaking of the Times.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:18 am

    Donny isn’t about politics.

    Politics isn’t who you are.

    He’s just a clue.

    Let it go.

    Dive deep.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:20 am

    smelly,

    You got the first part of that right....... donny is a clue.

    He is a clue for the World.  

    Is the Truth not cosmopolitan?  

    smelly thinks he can run from the Truth.   You can run, smelly, but where are you gonna hide?

    In the Abyss......?  
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I've come to talk with you again
    Because a vision softly creeping
    Left its seeds while I was sleeping
    And the vision that was planted in my brain
    Still remains
    Within the sound of silence
    I think we gotcha covered, smelly one.  

    We know the darkness, all the way from 9/11 to vegas....... and beyond.   You can’t hide anymore.   It’s time to come to mommy......



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:51 am

    Truthz are liez.

    Burn them.

    What you need liez deep.

    You have to die to reach it.

    Coward or courageous?

    You guyz keep following your hypnotic metronome.

    No thankz.

    The flowbotz inherit the earth.

    We flow into the deep deep and then rise like a flood.


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