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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:51 pm

    As I learn to connect things meaningfully in my work, I came across a powerful idea behind using graph databases which are the most efficient databases we have now.

    Good timing the tech is here now.

    We learn to connect ourselves and devices and devices to ourselves and who knows what might happen.

    “Imagination is key to unlocking the value of connected things.”

    Reading Polanyi’s Personal Knowledge now instead.

    This man’s Daimon is speaking, his genius.

    Wow.

    I read a theory recently that the western mind has been changed by the centuries of influence by the Catholic Church. Interesting evidence for this.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:41 am

    smelly,

    No sh*t, shinola.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:50 am

    smelly wrote:The body asks the shadow...

    That you could connect this to the moment shows depth.

    Very good grasshopper.

    alien

    Touchdown!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:59 am

    I was in a convo with a physicist and mathematician yesterday.

    They didn’t know what to make of the smelly goat and his intuitive art.

    Fun times.
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:47 am

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/08/trump-impeachment-republicans-congress-229904 ........
    “This is not voting someone off the island in Season 12 of ‘Survivor.’ It’s a serious issue and it’s going to set precedent for the future.”
    —REP. WILL HURD

    Hurd is considered to potentially be donny’s most dangerous and articulate critic on the hill, leading up to the impeachment vote in the House. If one person could torpedo the President, he’d be the one.



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    Post by dan Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:58 am

    In the last couple of days, I’ve been focusing on the Jorjani phenomenon.  

    I’m currently reading....... https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment/  

    The title is...... Aliens, Antisemitism, and Academia

    I’m also looking at the continuing association Mishlove and Jorjani, as evidenced by their many youtubes over the last several years.  

    From the magazine.......
    At its most consistent, Enlightenment rationalism replaced pluralism with monism. It did away with the medieval conception of a stratified and enchanted cosmos, wherein each part of nature (planets, living things, inanimate objects) obeyed their own local laws.
    ......

    A properly universal conception of nature, subject to one intelligible and determining natural law, displaced the mystery and spirituality that defined the medieval period.

    This new worldview elicited an updated view of humanity as well. The qualitative plurality of peoples gave way to a belief in one intelligible human nature, common to all, and commonly governed by our natural faculty of reason.   Enlightenment principles thus opposed the subjugation of minority communities based on some supposedly innate difference from the majority.

    Baruch Spinoza, a member of the émigré Sephardic Jewish community that fled the Portuguese Inquisition for Amsterdam, became the leading exponent of this “Radical Enlightenment” view. His community of ex-Marranos secretly held onto their Jewish identity after being forced to convert to Catholicism.
    This is what Jorjani and the Spectral Revolution are running up against.  

    And this is what I ran into last week at the ICJS.  

    Continuing from the Jacobin’s critique.......
    The alt-right, particularly Kevin MacDonald, has seized on this dynamic as proof of the “destructive Jewish intellect.” The Jew hides behind a mask of cosmopolitanism while trying to subvert and destroy Christian, Western culture. This belief also comes straight from the Counter-Enlightenment.

    The BPWH is right in the middle between the left and the right being depicted here....... reconciling personalism and monism...... there being only one person, ultimately.  

    Continuing.......
    Thinkers blamed universalism, determinism, and what appeared as a deadening mechanical worldview for the mass slaughter of two world wars, the atrocities of the Holocaust, the horror of the atomic bomb, and the misery of industrial capitalism.

    Thus began what Georg Lukàcs called the marrying of “Left ethics with Right Epistemology,” a project that tried to derive progressive politics and notions like freedom, equality, and solidarity from a more traditional view of existence akin to the Counter-Enlightenment. Understanding trends in today’s academic Left requires recognizing this crucial shift.

    Reference is made to Vivek Chibber’s.... Postcolonial Theory and the Specter of Capital.  

    But then here is article’s conclusion......
    From Descartes, Spinoza, and the French materialists to the French and Haitian revolutions to Hegel and Marx, we have a strain of thought that proceeds from an intelligible world to the full emancipation of humanity. We should return to this canon, if we want to effectively resist the rise of an irrational right.
     What.....?  Say again.....


    6:15/ft.........

    Paul Price tells me about this recent interview...... http://projectcamelotportal.com/2019/11/05/court-case-involving-cia-director-ron-pandolfi-hal-putoff-and-joe-firmage/ I have not watched it, yet...... it is almost two hours.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:59 pm

    Near as I can tell J has gravitated to folklore these days and wrote a book about it. Haven't read it.

    He has a sense of faeries and has written about the commonality of the celtic myths and pe-persian culture. He connects this deeply to UFOs.

    So here we have this academic on the fringe touching all the themes I have tripped across myself.

    He is reaching back to this common Aryan thing of his and says the folklore is hinting at the common roots. I'm sure it goes back to Atlantis for him.



    He sees novel folklore as a force to change a whole culture. See most wouldn't be sniffing around this stuff.

    Who the hell is this guy?

    I guess he is tied to the modern Magis, maybe one of their best. You would need to study years to catch up with this guy.

    And then his connection to Bannon through his disastrous work with the Alt Right.

    If the princess was real you would need their support I guess.

    The ancient sects behind all of this will have to give their blessing.

    The message is there is nothing else than this like this.

    Metaphysics is dangerous stuff.

    It seems to have a tendency to obsess apes.

    He's talking about his version of final participation actually.

    You can't go back, the ships have been burned.

    I have hinted at and explicitly said many many times what we are dealing with partly here is a psychic pathogen that works through inverted hallucinations.

    The lack of self awareness provides the substrate for the pathogen.

    We can see what is or we create false images that are not there due to  blunted perception.

    Maximize perception though creative spontaneous frequency hopping is my prescription.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:28 pm

    The BPW is theistic.

    It was Leibniz’ central argument of his theodicy.

    As if a God would need my mind or any of our minds to vindicate itself, but we may be the mirror to look at it more plainly.

    We have been hypnotized by the power of techne after many warnings and applied this mechanistic materialistic myopic view to our politics and gotten a hitler and the soviets and now we apply it to nature in error.

    We try to deny the tacit potency within us.

    We must be suspicious of techne and our minds.

    We really don’t live integrated with nature.

    I am not a monist or theist or any ist, but I know ignoring our dreams and nature is stupid.

    Plato was a pluralist partly and monistic with his ideal forms.

    Sounds scary to you I bet Dan letting go of God.

    If so, we might be getting warm.
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    Post by dan Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:21 pm

    smelly,

    Personhood did not grow on a tree.  Nor is it a cosmic accident.  

    One has to go to absurd lengths to deny personhood...... and for what bizarre reason?  

    Love is what makes the world go around, and only persons can know love.  

    If no person existed, there would be the potentiality of personhood...... there would be a personal potency.  There would be the potential for love.  

    You and I have emerged from that potency........ from that inevitable Source.  

    Call it what you will.  Most folks choose to call it God.  Only a fool would deny a Source of Being.  There is no law against being a fool.  You are free to wear your dunce cap as a badge of honor.  God must love fools, or she wouldn’t have made so many.  

    Yes, Jorjani understands final participation, but he doesn’t understand the necessity of the finality of it.   Yes, our birthday has 10^10 returns.  There could be more, if we wanted them, but most are content with the best possible number.  Jorjani can’t be this coherent, and still be on tv....... certainly not yet.  

    Hedayat and Jorjani understand that we reunite with our soulmates...... our imaginal and shadow selves...... all 10^10 of them.  

    Jorjani understands how we pass through various archetypal stages to get to our individuality. He doesn’t quite realize how 10^10 of us are necessary to make up the best possible world.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:58 pm

    A fool and happy to be.

    I'll take the surprise.

    I know being.

    I don't nor ever will really know source, to be honest, nor does this "whatever" need my acknowledgement, I am being.

    I trust what I know tacitly will reveal itself when needed.

    I can't go farther than that, it would be fantasy.

    Whatever is in my personal experience is just that.  

    I am a personalist, theism nor deism nor monism needed.

    Safer this way not going about claiming authority of this god or that god, this source or that one, don't you think?

    I don't need any god to know when I or others were naughty or nice.

    We know good and evil from birth.

    We will do what we do.

    This is what it is.

    Now does it matter either way?

    Sure, it matters here and now.

    Yes Dan, only how you see things must be true, keep muttering that to yourself all you like.

    Who is the fool?

    You can call me anything you like, just don't call me late for dinner.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:50 am

    Best Possible World hypothesis 2.0 ...



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    Post by dan Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:56 am

    Ode to smelly.......
    A winter's day
    In a deep and dark
    December
    I am alone
    Gazing from my window to the streets below
    On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow
    I am a rock
    I am an island


    It looks like Gary is beginning to have doubts about the Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis (ETH)...... three cheers for Gary.  

    So, Gary, is the Truth still out there....... or is it in here..... in a small, personal world?  


    Back to the smelly One..........

    If smelly is willing to stand up to the crowd of muppets, it can only be because he has a great deal of faith in his inner Truth.

    Yes, if the Truth is not out there, it is in here.  

    It means, Gary and smelly, that the Truth is with us.  

    This fact is no small potatoes.......

    It tells us who we are..... from whence we came, and whither we go.  

    Every school child knows that the ultimate truth is love.  Some call it God.  Someone who did not have sufficient faith in this inner truth tried to cram it down your throat.  You have manifested the gag reflex.  

    Good for you........ you had to save your own life.  

    Now, what are you going to do with your Truth?  

    I too had to fight for my Truth...... but not until I got to graduate school.  

    smelly recognizes that our Truths overlap....... perhaps by more than a small margin.  

    There may just be an interpersonal Truth.  

    I’ve staked my life on the existence of an interpersonal Truth.  

    All of our lives are staked on that Truth.  The rest of you, muppets, just haven’t realized it, yet.  


    11:30/forum time/gmt-3..........

    We are just going to keep sliding back into our original participation, if we cannot see the path forward.  

    Once you see the path forward, you are One with Truth..... you are One with Love...... you are One with Personhood...... with the one cosmic Soul..... with the cosmic Mother..... with the personal Source.  

    Yes, smelly may have been untimely ripped from his mother’s womb, as it were, but he still has a belly button....... we all have a cosmic Navel.  

    Yes, our navels could be cosmic accidents, or they could be cosmic metaphors.  

    I’m betting on the Metaphor....... which is also a bet on the Metanarrative.  

    I claim that this is the only game in town....... anymore.  

    It is Monadnock or bust.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:42 am

    I don’t know what to do Dan.

    I don’t have to stake my life on anything anymore.

    I am life.

    I just have to inhabit it with as little friction as possible.

    I know that Science is very powerful and the most intelligent find refuge there.

    But along comes an intuitive smelly goat walking around their towers of knowledge.

    He seems to land on his feet and come through at the nick of time abiding all who would control him.

    It is true I find laughing at our foolish limited minds a healthy thing.

    The trick is to know there is no where else to arrive to.

    It’s all open to you.

    I am this and thus there is nothing to do.

    I have achieved my lack of need for achievement.

    As I walk amongst the muppets, they find love to be a strange topic to discuss and live out the implications of.

    There are no strangers, only lovers.

    They just don’t realIze how intimately we reflect one another.

    It’s kind of fun to play with awareness and knowing.

    What to do?

    Have fun and be patient and be humble and be the one in the room who won’t lose their shit.

    That’s good enough.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:04 pm

    Dan: So, Gary, is the Truth still out there....... or is it in here..... in a small, personal world?


    And then the small, personal world gets embedded in the multiverse ... introducing the Best Possible Universe Hypothesis ...





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    Post by dan Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:36 pm

    Come on, Gary, for once in your life, see if you can pull your head out......

    Are you accepting or rejecting the plausibility/possibility of the small world hypothesis (SWH)?  

    Is chicken little necessarily insane...... or possibly sane?  

    Which is it, Gary........?  Man up.......


    smelly,

    You’re right, you don’t have to do a d*mn thing.  

    But....... you are doing something by being the chicken’s most loyal protagonist.  

    I would say....... maintain your protocol....... come hell or high water.  


    In the meantime, I’ve finally had a journalist ask for an interview..... the first in fifteen years, since Paranoid Magazine.  I wonder about his background.  I’d better look him up.......

    He claims to have written ufo articles, but none are mentioned in his lengthy bibliography.  

    To prepare, after googling the journalist, I googled the chicken....... http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2019/04/dan-t-smith.html  linking the chicken to the end times.  

    The priority topic would be managing magic...... in the end times.  

    The Princess is definitely about managing portals.  

    And just google interdimensional....... it has everything including the kitchen sink.  So-called reality is portalific....... downright porous, because immaterial.  If God sneezes, we all catch apocalypse fever.  

    Google recommends this article....... https://www.academia.edu/10165836/Between_Paradigm_Shift_Judaism_and_Neo-Hasidism_The_New_Metaphysics_of_Jewish_Renewal_with_a_response_by_Zalman_Schachter-Shalomi  hmmm...... I’m getting behind the times.  

    Zalman hangs out with Ram Dass, etc...... He manages to combine orthodoxy with the New Age...... I’m still working on the Icjs symposium....... subtitle.... something has gone wrong.....(?).



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:33 pm

    Have fun.

    No one manages anything.

    My working MO.

    Taking responsibility for one’s own life takes a lifetime.

    We are all very distracted still.

    I tend to distrust do gooders.

    Somehow unless they are chest high in the underworld, they are fairly clueless about being.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:19 am

    No, smelly.......

    If you refuse to stand up for personhood, in this age of darkness, you are a moral coward.

    On your hands is the blood of millions of persons.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:48 am

    Life is a bloody business.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:17 pm

    smelly,

    And I don’t think we should be enablers of that business, which we would be, if we do nothing about it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:45 pm

    As far as what to do, each has to figure that out.

    What I can do I’m doing.

    I don’t think anything must or should be done.

    Do the best with what comes to you.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:54 pm

    Sometimes Dan's BPWH reminds me of ...



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:33 pm

    I have this recurring nightmare/daymare we are suspended in pods in ships above the earth going through some kind of selection/training process or on a ship that was sent to the boringly named Earth.

    I like the name in Greek.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:23 pm

    Gary,

    The BPWH is necessarily very personal.

    Could a computer or machine ever unlock the great mysteries of the universe which are inherently personal/interpersonal?

    The more we warm up to the BPWH the more we warm up to the infinite worth and wisdom of persons.

    I 100% agree that this is the best possible world, that it is a small world, and that it is a very personal/interpersonal world.

    Still, I haven’t forgotten the words of the Princess when she told me, “you are not the center of the universe”.

    Thank you Princess, we’ll try and keep that in mind at all times.

    Maybe getting thrown under a bus by a Princess was the best thing that ever happened to me....second to getting thrown off a balcony by a goat of course.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:01 am

    Watch out for ninja goats.

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    Post by dan Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:18 am

    Ok, smelly,

    Let’s suppose the the Second Coming comes to you.  

    What are you gonna do with it?  Kill it?


    I have been reading...... https://www.academia.edu/10165836/Between_Paradigm_Shift_Judaism_and_Neo-Hasidism_The_New_Metaphysics_of_Jewish_Renewal_with_a_response_by_Zalman_Schachter-Shalomi ....... interesting article.



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