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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by dan Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:03 pm

    The smelly one still suffers from the nih syndrome.

    I do worry about how closely the foot is connected to the orange boy.  

    Too close for comfort.  But this is not about comfort.  

    What happens tonight could tell us if foot can safely jettison the deadweight.  

    I’m still reading the Dark Star, in this regard.....
    It is this animus toward the individual that prompts Dugin’s vision of a post-egoic world, in which we would be so immersed in a collective society that we would be, as many antimodern activists think we should be, little more than animals, completely “at one” with our environment.  We would fill our “natural” roles as the unselfconscious creatures of the forests do theirs. This is a vision of a future informed by the organic, hierarchical values of synarchy, and the cosmic biologism of Gumilev and Vernadsky. We could, if we like, call it “enlightened fascism.”
    I bet this is right up smelly’s alley...... back to the forest, green one.  

    Tell me I’m wrong, smelly.  

    This was in preparation for the emergence of a new “consciousness structure,” what Gebser called the “integral.” He died in 1973 just as deconstructionism and postmodernism were beginning to dominate Western thinking. Had he lived to see their success, I believe Gebser would recognize them as symptoms of his breakdown, and that the post-truth world we now inhabit, and which makes possible a President Trump, is the “dark night of the soul” that Western consciousness must endure before any new light comes over the horizon.




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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:36 pm

    Bernie Sanders Vows to Reveal UFO Evidence If Elected

    Read Newsmax: Sen. Bernie Sanders Pledges to Reveal UFO Evidence If Elected | Newsmax.com
    Urgent: Do you approve of Pres. Trump? Vote Here in Poll

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/apfn-as-thailand-thai-airways/2019/11/04/id/927734/


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:48 pm

    Fuck fascism.

    Be kind.

    Clear?

    I know what happened.

    My mind was illuminated.

    I have met others.

    Not by the polis, by the self.

    I know we are in the big Dark Night.

    Ones like me are the next step.

    What I have recovered and shared is needed.

    We are charting a course beyond our postmodern Middle Ages.

    Dugin wants a new middle age, but he’s just another egotistical asshole.

    Nope.

    Had one and he and Putin are dead wrong.

    Pick up where Plato points.

    Embrace the silence.

    You don’t know me yet Dan.

    Getting closer.

    Somehow we new philosophers have risen again.

    I didn’t even know I was a dangerous sophist until I was.

    Far out.

    This age doesn’t want the wisdom.

    But we need it now more than ever.

    One must align themselves with being.

    I had lunch with my new engineering team today.

    Smart and young, all in their 20s and not married and begging me to show them.

    Show them what?

    They dared me.

    So I showed them and they showed me.

    Today I know why I am alive.

    I know I am alive on earth and never alone.

    I am weird and weird draws weird.

    I’m far behind the kids Dan.

    Yuh have not idea really what’s happening Dan.

    I’m right fucking smack in the middle of it.

    It’s a new world man.

    I see it.

    I accept my fate is what I make.

    I found the team had been prepared and waiting for me.

    I know what to do.

    I have the helm.

    How did I become the old man?

    I can’t convince these kids I’m just a fuck up.

    Shrug.

    Why do I have to take responsibility?

    Because if not me, then who?

    It’s really something to see and feel the energy moving you.

    Like wow dudes.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:18 am

    smelly’s beginning to feel the heat of infinite Personhood.

    Don’t look back, smelly, or you will turn into a pillar of molten salt.

    Just keep the heat on your backside, as you follow the light.  

    All the way to the small claims court, unless you come up with a better idea.  

    Yes, smelly, at 10^10 of us, finally, we have reached the critical mass of personhood.  

    God is woken....... and she is pleased with her handiwork.  

    Trust me....... you may take my word for it.  


    10:50..........

    Last evening, I attended the first of three classes at the Towson ICJS..... Crossroads in Jewish-Christian Dialogue.  

    The first class focused on Spinoza, but, presumably, his will be the guiding light, throughout...... he being the first certified free thinker.

    For instance, the second class covers a Supreme Court case (JFS 2009) in England concerning who gets to decide if you’re Jewish or not.  Up until then, it had been the Office of the Chief Rabbi (OCR)...... no more, and, presumably, Spinoza, the anarchist, would have approved.

    I do, too, but I don’t approve of how we got there.

    Spinoza also happens to have been the first certified impersonalist in the modern West.



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    Post by GSB/SSR Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:07 am

    Critics blast a proposal to curb climate change by halting population growth


    The news: More than 11,000 scientists signed an editorial declaring a “climate emergency,” but other researchers immediately criticized one of the proposed remedies: halting population growth.

    The issue: Since rich nations generally already have flat or declining birth rates, the proposal largely seems directed at fast-growing developing nations in Africa and Asia.

    Why it’s a problem: “A bunch of white people in the developed world saying population should be reduced is the definition of an imperialist framing,” Arvind Ravikumar of Harrisburg University of Science and Technology, said on Twitter. It feeds into a perception among conservatives that climate science is an ideology that prioritizes nature over humans. The push for a smaller world population could also be abused to justify aggressive population control, or racist attitudes.

    The reality: Whether we end up with 9, 10, or 11 billion people in the coming decades, the world will still be pumping out increasingly risky amounts of climate pollution if we don’t fundamentally fix the underlying energy, transportation, and food systems. Read the full story.


    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614682/critics-blast-a-proposal-to-curb-climate-change-by-halting-population-growth


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:12 am

    Thank you, Gary,

    This does raise the question of what a personalist would have to say about population control.......

    Quite a bit....... actually...... in the context of celebrating our having achieved the critical mass of our Chrysalis...... at 10^10 of us.  

    But, first, back to Baruch.........

    Basically, Baruch, single handedly, invented secular humanism, which I’m claiming is an oxymoron, from the start.  

    Look at it this way........

    Baruch was the first modern, in that he was the first to incorporate the scientific outlook into the life realm.  

    Here’s the problem........

    Yes, science does define Homo sapiens....... anatomically and physically.  But sapiens specifically names ‘wisdom’ as definitive.   Science is mute on the notion of wisdom or on any mental, as opposed to behavioral, properties.  

    Yes, this would be sufficient to define humans legally, with all the humans rights (legally?) attendant, thereto.  

    Would this not suffice in all practical matters?  This is arguable.  I intend to argue it.......

    It might suffice in a constitutional democracy, but not necessarily under a populist version, for instance....... might makes right.  

    How, then, does one speak truth to power?  

    According to Baruch, there is no Truth...... only scientific facts, and this is precisely where we are with modernity.  

    It’s no secret that Baruch’s Enlightenment has failed to enlighten us, in this regard.  

    Yes, modernity has exposed the question of authority to a harsh light.  

    Postmodernity only adds fuel to this fire.  

    Dark Star Rising points to the ominous signs.  

    Managing Magic places the foot at ground zero.  What are we to make of these apples?  

    Ultimately, I have to agree with smelly....... we go with the flow, we stick to our protocol....... hoping for the best.  I’m not sure that smelly recognizes hope, however..... nor do any moderns, for that matter...... besides hoping that we catch a few breaks.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:31 am

    Dan, are you eavesdropping?

    The last thing I talked about when I left work yesterday was molten salt then read your post today.

    This is funny.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:22 am

    No hope here, none needed, doomed Wink

    Shining.

    We shine and become hope realized.

    I was tempted by chaos.

    I was offered eternity in a dark underworld.

    Shown by The Great Trump, truly, you can have what you think.

    A natural Chaos Magician.

    And that is a Black Magician who bends the world to their will.

    There is nothing new here.

    There are forces simply arrayed against each other un multiple dimensions.

    Can you feel it building?

    I think Willy is clear here...my favorite scene since I can remember a thought.



    Egoic will is but a shadow of the true.

    It is wondrous mighty.

    And that's a FACT!

    But look at the vulgarity and vaquity of his desire.

    See the pomposity of his vision.

    He is totally exposed and we love him because he is us.

    He only sees himself.

    He would eat the Cosmos.

    He is YOU

    I see that clearly, though, I would never admit it among muppetz.

    The descent need not end in nonsense and chaos.

    This is letting the image pass away.

    What stands where confusion reigned is a bright star.

    That could only have been ignited in the great pressures of the deep deep.

    Called home...the little star rises.

    ...

    I am a Philosopher, a lover of wisdom.

    She is beyond my grasp and also the Queen of Death.

    I have given myself totally to her depths, mind body and whatever else this is.

    I am open and totally exposed to her.

    She could wipe me away like a gnat if she desired.

    That's not very fair now, is it Wink

    Show YOURSELF

    You eat and give life and both will happen to you.

    Zero is the sum.

    Now explain that Old Man.

    Really, what words could you possibly use?

    "Empedocles' teaching is based on trickery: we are fools, we fool ourselves constantly, and unless we begin to see the ways in which we deceive ourselves we cannot come to any greater truth, because any truth that we come to is going to be just an intellectual, self-serving, imaginary conceptual truth—it’s not going to serve any real value whatsoever."

    That is the heart of Zen too.

    What ist or ism will you hide behind?

    I no longer hide.

    I am totally exposed.

    And I am grateful.

    Because all I have is borrowed and it is beautiful somehow how sweet it can be yet knowing it will pass away like a flicker of a flame.

    We are all each just flickers here and gone.

    If I am no ism or ist, I must simply be THIS!

    And that will suffice.

    I have my prize, go get yourz.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:51 am

    I think smelly and I should have a contest for who is the stupidest.  

    I would win, hands down.  Here’s why........  

    After almost 40 years of personalism, it was only yesterday that I came to understand what is a principal obstacle to the best possible world hypothesis.  

    It is the Catholic Bishops.  

    Politically, the Bishops, along with the Fundamentalists, have been the main supporters of personhood...... the principal ingredient of the BPWH.  

    Like so many things, there are two versions of personalism........ weak and strong.  

    This difference is the only thing that distinguishes the chicken from the guns&babies radical right.  

    I wonder where Jason J, for instance, might be on this spectrum?  I’m guessing that he must be on the weak side, along with the Bishops and the guns&babies crew.  

    In other words, sports fans, it is the guns&babies crew that is one of the biggest political obstacles to the BPWH, because they are too close for comfort.  

    However, by the same token, it is they who, in effect, have been bench warming for the chicken.   Isn’t that right, smelly?  

    smelly doesn’t quite realize it, yet, but he is my one-man PAC.  


    11ft/gmt-3..........

    Speaking of PACs, here’s the biggest political development, yet...... Barr, a month ago, finally turned down a direct order from the President...... to defend his phone call, publicly.  

    Barr had already joined Sessions and Comey, nearly two months ago, reportedly, in finally refusing to defend the President.  Barr was riding shotgun for Trump, with regard to the Republican Senators, who have been waiting for just such a signal to jump ship.  

    Pence is already under investigation in the Ukraine scandal.  

    President Pelosi, here we come........

    If donny, out of desperation, plays the Princess card, where will the chicken be?  Still under the bus, we might hope.  

    And I’m about to arrive in New York for a rainy day........

    Now, all I have to do is figure out how to leverage the guns&babies crew, from weak personalism..... over to strong personalism.  

    The g&b crew are already onboard with strong Anthropics, of course.  

    The biggest hurdle now is the fact that the g&b crew will be beside themselves when they learn that Hell is closed for the Season.  

    When they finally learn the Truth, they’ll be thanking their lucky stars.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:39 pm

    I have hope that those who are ready will make it back to source when the time is right.

    Strong personalism will help prepare the world most effectively and efficiently for the transition to unconditional peace, love, and happiness.

    Take donny and the Princess for instance, this is a textbook case for strong personalism and it’s effectiveness....or so I’ve heard from a little bird.

    donny will go down in history as a great clown.

    What role do clowns play in the BPW?

    They do give us something to laugh about, don't they?

    Who doesn't enjoy a comedian every now and then?

    Strong personalism is one way of having our cake and eating it too....

    Who said it is a zero sum game?

    Be greedy I say.

    Have all the cake you want when you want it.

    Remember, sharing is caring.

    However, will the chicken scratches on the subway wall be forgotten?

    The chicken scratches say something like "enough is enough"....if I remember correctly.

    I've heard that if you squint at the right time of day with just the right lighting you can still see the words written there today.

    Have we reached critical mass?

    Is enough really enough?

    What about love?

    When it comes to love, what is enough?

    What will all the scientific materialists do with all their free time after they realize enough is enough?

    What will donny do?

    oh my!

    The Fat Cats might have a few heart attacks before the fat lady sings.


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    Post by dan Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:53 pm

    Ack,

    Only those who need to see them will see them.

    Enough is enough.......?

    That’s too negative.

    Every second of Earth time is an eternity of God time.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:55 pm

    Yes, that's strong personalism.

    Seriously gogo, the world will not end.

    And to that I would add that love will not end either.

    After all, what is the purpose of having a world without love?

    Love makes the world go around, don't ya think?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:07 pm

    Boy oh boy, you should have seen the post I was about to post, no no no.

    I can't say that Wink

    Anyway Dan, enjoy the Bright Lights.

    It's very simple what to do with the godly, have them kill their gods and smash their false idols.

    But yah, they messed it all up taking being to be all literal and all.

    Haha, muppets, gotta love them going to and fro.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:34 pm

    I’m reading Michael Polanyi now Dan, Study of Man. He is has an interesting theory of knowledge that is implicitly personal.

    You might like.
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    Post by U Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:36 pm

    smelly wrote:Boy oh boy, you should have seen the post I was about to post, no no no.

    I can't say that Wink

    Do it, pussy!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:54 am

    Ha.

    I was going to spill all the beans.

    Can’t throw all my pearls before the swine.

    Nothing I say matters anyway but for my self.

    I am only speaking to my self.

    I am singing to my self.

    I am repeating back what the self feels.

    The self knows all I could say.

    I have no need to speak at all to my self.

    It is a natural process.

    So if you don’t know what I could say, you are the lie.

    Best thing to do if you know you are the lie, is to move out of the way.

    Scooby doobie do, we have some work to do.

    I Duddits!
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:34 am

    smelly,

    Yes, thanks for reminding us of Michael.  He has had a big influence on me.  I was introduced to his work by a Jesuit chemist friend, Fr Jim Salmon.  I was talking to him when he was organizing the Science and Creation series at Loyola.  

    Many scientists understand that science is fundamentally incomplete, but sense that it’s completion would entail a radically new foundation.  

    The extant political polarization on the subject of personhood and right to life make any thoughtful discussion of personalism impossible.  

    This political fact is a major barrier to Disclosure, though ufologists are uniformly oblivious to these political considerations.  

    And this situation presents difficulties of a very general nature......

    It’s not just about abortion..... it is about the concept of conception, if you will.  

    With birth/population control, we are merely kicking this ontological can of worms down the road.  

    This goes back to Freud’s Civilization....... how it is likely impossible for civilization to ignore the life force.   The Force may be with us, but it is not necessarily with civilization...... watching donny thumb his nose at civilization.  

    chicken little’s eschatology is just the flip side of donny’s populism, in this regard.  The psychological barriers to recognizing this simple truth are formidable, as you might imagine.  Our very own smelly phenomenon is a witness to these very substantial barriers..... as is my newly found realization of them.  


    5/ft.........

    Another way to look at this dilemma is to ask whether sustainability is sustainable, quite apart from any resource issues...... when we have the inevitable growth and decay of civilizations.  With a highly complex global civilization, it’s not at all clear what the decay phase would look like, but maybe we’re seeing the beginnings.  

    Just by definition, capitalism is not sustainable.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:52 am

    I vibrate highly with Michael.

    I’ll read his last book next, Meaning.

    The Study of Man are 3 talks he gave.

    Small.

    He is such an efficient speaker, like a software craftsman.

    I dig.
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    Post by whoknows Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:20 am

    This just on from the Dalai Lama, from The Onion.

    https://www.theonion.com/new-day-same-bullshit-whispers-dalai-lama-before-sl-1839720347

    Here’s another one that gave the giggles.

    https://www.theonion.com/gates-foundation-pledges-25-billion-to-eradicate-whate-1839699989
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:48 pm

    We are light surfing the darkness trying to make sense out of the ride.

    It means what it means only to you.

    What meaning could the ride be?

    It means what it means to you alone.

    Why gather any more idols to weigh you down?

    You have to surf the light wave with not knowing.

    Look at everything in wonder and breathe in the emptiness of all things.

    The wow space is narrow.

    Who could walk the wow space free of idols?



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:53 pm

    Who wants to go light surfing with me?

    Wheeee!

    Don’t know.

    Don’t know.


    Can you imagine what it’s like not knowing any appearances?

    I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:56 pm

    That’s the last thing I gotz to say.

    Peace!

    I love you all.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:50 pm

    One of the first things I told the Princess when I first met her was that the only thing I knew for sure was that I didn't know anything.

    She said that was a good place to start, but she didn't expound further except when necessary.

    What does any of that mean?

    I truly don't know.

    Big Love is a circle.

    Love the circle.

    Love the appearance.

    Don't let them know you don't know, it won't help anyone.


    ....


    In other words, we'll know just what we need to know when we need to know it....a just in time compiler if you will.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:34 pm

    Han-shan wrote:What a road the Cold Mountain road!
    Not a sign of horse or cart.
    Winding gorges, tricky to trace.
    Massive cliffs, who knows how high?
    Where the thousand grasses drip with dew,
    Where the pine trees hum in the wind.
    Now the path’s lost, now it’s time
    For body to ask shadow: ‘Which way home?’
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:46 pm

    The body asks the shadow...

    That you could connect this to the moment shows depth.

    Very good grasshopper.

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