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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:46 pm

    What.........?  Me..... worry?

    Ma, don’t look, because I’m still using two hands.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:00 pm

    I was speaking generally.

    Ultimately I don’t know who is truly easygoing.

    Water comes closest to easygoing.

    Be like water.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:30 pm

    I bought two books.......

    1,000 Books to Read, and the first one that popped out...... Hitchhiker’s Guide.  

    I had read it decades ago, but fortunately my memory is rotten.

    And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

    Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, a terrible, stupid catastrophe occurred, and the idea was lost for ever.

    This is not her story.

    But it is the story of that terrible, stupid catastrophe and some of its consequences.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:02 pm

    Just breathin here.

    I’m no acolyte.

    I smell things.

    I’m really really really good at it.

    I think I sniffed this life out.

    Yep, I hit on the big love.

    It destroyed the life I had.

    Because I built a lie around my mind.

    I’ve done the work, which was just breaking my conditioning.

    Love broke my illusion, but also allowed me to be fooled.

    This is part of what reality is.

    Yes, we are trapped in a logic grinder.

    Ack said, “The moment you aim you have lost love.”

    You never lose love, but I get him and aiming is where we err.

    Love doesn’t give you a bad or good life.

    Love allows you the chance to fail and succeed.

    But it does not have favorites.

    Love is not understood by us really.

    Still I am thankful for it.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:51 pm

    Oh, yes, and Zaphod = donny...... obviously.

    It is rather good satire of everything cosmological and synchronistic.

    Perhaps HGG is one of the glitches.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:53 pm

    Yes, smelly got it closer.

    Words....

    What seems to happen is that the moment you take aim you split love into subject object, where the subject looks for love in the object that seems to be separate from it.

    Nothing is really ever separate.

    When we recognize that perfect love is not separate and is always perfect then we become what we always have been and always will be....love itself.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:27 pm

    OK Ack.

    I am on guard using words like "perfect" with a language and form of communication we all know is not perfect, but I get you.

    We can't live by aphorism, too many do, we can only live our best directly participating spontaneously.

    One thing I have learned in life is that it teaches you how to ask the best questions to get our answers as efficiently as possible.

    Love is not rational, but gives it the most meaning for most of us.

    Isn't that interesting?

    Doesn't that illustrate how off we are, how off kilter we are with capitalism, science and politics and religion?

    I like Dan and Ack and CS and Gary chatting here.

    Foot, I have no connection with front of mind, but I am very connected to I know.

    All are welcome imo, but this is Dan's and Cy's space.

    I have no desire to share my own space further, so I steal some of theirs.

    They have suffered me for years and I am grateful for them letting me bleat into creation here.

    This is what I felt to do.

    You do you.

    Do better.

    If anyone can see what I am dong with Dan and Ack, I will be impressed, most have no idea prob what they are witnessing here.

    Maybe Dan and Ack even don't, it doesn't matter.

    I know what to do and I am doing it.

    I know nothing more than that.

    All my chatter is to challenge you to accept the same is true for you.

    You are enough.

    You know what do.

    Me?

    I'm not going to help any cause, not even my own, so, you just have to take what you get from me and decide or yourself.

    Any cause would find me impossible to work with, so I am alone on cold mountain.

    The real work is done alone anyway.

    The work i am doing is imagining.

    I am pushing our mind to the limits.

    What I learn, I just know, which I can't explain.

    I know we all benefit though, but I'll never write a book or give a talk.

    I don't have to tell a soul on Earth Wink

    I prob have the best job in creation.

    I have been given the ultimate research and development project.

    To know myself!

    I will be ready to give my report upon my demise and that's all I know.

    My awareness may die anonymously with me and that would be just fine.

    I miss hobbit.

    Dan, you accused him of being a spy and an idiot.

    I think you were wrong, wrong on many points, but that's just more opportunity for you to be surprised.

    The Internet is just part of your act, who knows what you are up to.

    You hurt hobbit.

    You can be a cruel muppet.

    So can I.

    I don't like that in us.

    I don't want to hurt anyone, but I have a rage in me and I imagine we all do.

    I am about to look deeply into this rage.

    I am going to face it head on.

    I will not blink.

    I'm going to get to the bottom of my rage, I will.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:50 pm

    I would make a poor candidate for anything.

    I don’t know shit.

    Now, where were we?

    Oh ya, love.

    We can’t know love really.

    We can only know ourselves by doing what comes naturally and spontaneously.

    What is love?

    I don’t know.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:53 pm

    that's maybe perfect
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:57 pm

    Maybe

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:00 pm

    Life is such a beautiful thing.

    A gloriously wonderful thing.

    And may all blink out and be forgotten.

    So sorry, bye bye.

    We may be the only forms to witness it.

    Wow.

    It really puts things in perspective when the ego wants to step up.

    That ego has become thin and almost as silent as a ghost.

    Then who am I?

    The FOOL

    The FOOL

    The FOOL
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:55 pm

    There is nothing left to grasp at after the self blows out.

    Once a fool always a fool.

    Only the bravest of the bravest goats will make it to cold mountain.

    After a certain point there is no turning back.

    Alone wandering in the dark cold mountains I am home.

    Home is where the heart is.

    Here

    There

    Everywhere

    Nowhere

    The Fool Abides


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:22 pm

    I really don’t know anything.

    I honestly and truly don’t know anything.

    Wow.

    There is an appearance here but I honestly and truly don’t know what it is, why it is, where it is, when it is, or how  it is., and after seeing not-seeing I could never really ever go back to seeing again.

    I am eternal blindness.

    Everything is a complete and total mystery.

    The end.

    Game over.


    Let the love games begin.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:54 pm

    Not knowing is synonymous with wu wei.

    What appears to be moving is actually still.

    Without movement, stillness would not be detectable.

    Without space moving about around a black hole, there would be no black hole.

    Everything has a boundary but self.

    We live inside a black hole.

    Inside the black hole an illusion arises spontaneously that something is happening here.

    Everything that arises is emptiness.

    To know ourself is to lose ourself.

    To lose ourself we really have to lose ourself in the immediate present.

    Now
    Don’t know
    Now
    Don’t know
    Now
    Don’t know

    Grasping at nothing and resisting nothing leaves us flowing like water down the middle way.

    Water does not cling or grasp to the sides of the river, it flows freely and naturally.

    The river twists and turns in unpredictable ways all the way down the mountain.

    We can only see the next few feet ahead Down the river.

    Don’t cling to anything or resist anything.

    You will find yourself in wild river territory on cold mountain.

    Come on in, the water is fine.

    Let it swallow you up whole and drift away back into the ocean, then back into clouds, then back into snow on cold mountain.

    Circles and circles of free flowing playfulness writing lines and lines of words.

    Reading between the lines we see what can’t be seen and hear what can’t be heard.

    Who can say what can’t be said?

    Prove it or never happened.

    The proof is in the pudding.

    The pudding party is in the back of the bus.

    It’s chocolate vanilla swirl.

    Yum!

    I have no idea what’s going on.

    It’s just a lovely ride.

    Speaking without words is a skill one must not need work at.

    The trick is to not work at anything, just be very lazy and content right where you stand.

    Instantly karma will crumble away when you are at your slackest and don’t know or choose.

    Then what to do?

    Keep on doing not-doing.

    Keep breathing.

    Relax and let go.

    That’s all of it.

    Enjoy the ride sports fans.

    The secret is there is no secret.

    Bee true and open to yourself.

    Love yourself.

    Let love have its way.

    Love is the river.

    Look ma no paddles!

    In fact, the paddles were never really there all along.

    What we thought were paddles were actually limp spaghetti noddles.

    Bahahaha

    To look back and see ourself paddling frantically with limp wet noodles is quite a humorous gift of clarity.

    It’s nice to sit back and relax on the raft to nowhere on the river of nothing.
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:11 am

    I know exactly where we are........

    We’re at the top of the roller coaster hill.  This is not cold mountain, it is magic mountain.

    It’s ok to shut your eyes, but some of us are thrill seekers.  

    HGG gets quite a bit of this correctly, understanding that it does everything pretty much backwards.  

    Ack and smelly are mostly showing their youth...... still wet behind the ears.

    But your major point is correct that we can’t do a whole heck of a lot about the best possible world.

    But we can be aficionados, and share our experiences. You folks are a bit lagging in that department.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:15 am

    There’s a portal at the top of cold mountain to yellow springs.

    It lets you bilocate so you don’t have to ride a roller coaster if your not into cheap thrills.

    The portal hides in a cave at the tippy tippy top.

    The higher we are placed the more humbly we must walk.

    The first traveler to the top of cold mountain is also the last.


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    Post by GSB Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:28 am

    And this morning's inbox, from Jack Sarfatti:

    Non-duality is kaka nonsense.

    Quantum mechanics is fundamentally dual.

    Wave -Particle

    Mind – Matter

    Mind moves Matter

    Matter back-reacts on Mind to generate Consciousness (only in PQM with Frohlich coherence).

    It really is that simple.




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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:33 am

    Simpler.

    As long as one is looking and grasping for it they won’t get it.

    Non-duality is death to the seeker and knower.

    He who knows doesn’t know.

    He who doesn’t know knows.

    It’s really that simple.

    Don’t know.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:06 am

    And yes, ultimately, non-duality is kaka nonsense.

    Paradoxically the most coherent state of mind is also the least.

    Mind is really a myth.

    Quantum Mechanics is a myth too.

    The meaning of things is their appearance.

    All appearances are equally empty.

    If all appearances are equally empty then there is nothing to cling to or grasp hold of.

    Wu wei

    A wise goat is a slippery goat.
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:00 am

    Ack,

    Love is many things, including a vast spectrum of appearances.  

    Are those appearances empty?  Is love empty?  

    Ack, are you claiming that your appearance here is empty?

    I grant you that there is nothing any of us can do, not even God, to change the fact that we are participating in the best possible world.  

    We all participate in love.

    Again, is love empty?

    I cannot prove that love is not a cosmic sham.

    I have faith that it is not.

    Where is your faith, Ack?



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:21 am

    I’m not claiming anything.

    The poet is one who says what can’t be said.

    I’m just a poet.

    Is love empty?

    What is love?

    Where is love?

    Why is love?

    How is love?

    When is love?



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    Post by dan Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:26 am

    Excuse me, Ack,  

    You just stated the following.......
    All appearances are equally empty.

    If all appearances are equally empty then there is nothing to cling to or grasp hold of.
    Would you care to retract your words?


    1:35.........

    My question to you stands......... would you care to retract your words, Ack?

    .


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:31 am

    I believe in kindness.

    Is that love?

    I don’t know.

    Words happen.

    No need to resist or cling to words.

    Slippery goats are happy goats.

    You have to learn to read between the lines.

    Direct participation is not for the fearful.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:37 am

    dan wrote:
    My question to you stands......... would you care to retract your words, Ack?  

    There is no need to retract anything.

    I hold the key in my open hand.
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:44 am

    We, humans, cling to our beliefs.  

    Many of those beliefs turn out to be empty, unfounded.  

    Are you advocating that we renounce every belief...... as being empty?
    ........

    I hold the key in my open hand.
    And what is this key?

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