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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:33 am

    And we regret you don’t share your personal open heart, your self.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:43 am

    This in e-mail today from Deepak ...

    FYI
    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/The-Most-Popular-Model-of-Reality-Is-Wrong-14842693.php


    The Most Popular Model of Reality Is Wrong - SFGate

    It would be ideal if reality and our model of reality merged into the same thing. A model of reality explains how the universe was created and how it operates. You might think that this is a ...
    www.sfgate.com


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    Post by GSB/SSR Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:40 am

    And here you go, Dan ...

    UFOS, JESUS AND THE SECOND COMING: COULD THEY BE CONNECTED?

    https://www.bbntimes.com/en/society/ufos-jesus-and-the-second-coming-could-they-be-connected


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    Post by GSB/SSR Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:18 pm

    And PBS Spacetime today on the (strong and weak) ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE ... the fine tuning explanation ...



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:19 pm

    We may have lost Dan.

    Like he wasn’t even here really.

    Either way...

    I’ll be moseying along now I guess.

    I likely won’t be back this way.

    Kinda anticlimactic.

    That’s good.

    You can call me anything, just not late for dinner.

    There isn’t anything to say or do in the end.

    Just another day in the BPW.

    I’m sorry you met a Discordian Dan, but not really.

    The Goddess has possessed me.

    She thinks I’m HOT, I can’t shake her. It seems like as nice a way to croak as any.

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    Post by U Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:40 am

    I tear up.

    I do hope we haven't, you know, LOST, lost Dan just yet. He touched all of our hearts in so many ways.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:38 am

    I spoke with Dan yesterday.

    Dan is working on Michael Wyschogrod.
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    Post by U Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:30 pm

    Oh, good!

    Eschaton averted.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:05 pm

    Ack wrote:I spoke with Dan yesterday.

    Dan is working on Michael Wyschogrod.

    He looks for himself everywhere except where he can be found.

    His struggle is very smelly.

    I can relate.

    But U, Dan has done nothing.

    No one has muppet.

    Wake the hell up already fruit loop.

    Thankfully for Dan I can’t speak to him anymore.

    I forgot muppet.

    Only silence from here...good luck.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:48 am

    Dan only appears to be invisible ...



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    Post by GSB/SSR Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:07 am

    Meanwhile, back in the multiverse ... the anthropic principle is an observer bias ... commonly shared by Dan and conscious puddles ...



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    Post by dan Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:09 pm

    Sorry, yes, I have been preoccupied with Wyschogrod and impeachment.  

    Earlier today, Aaron mentions a mothership, and then says goodbye.  He will only exchange smilies.

    During my five days of synchronicities, back in 6/‘91, I had the impression I was being asked if I wished to pursue the revelation down here or up there.  Without hesitation, the answer was...... down here.  Within about three months I was introduced to Ron.  

    It appears that Aaron may be taking the high road.  

    With regard to impeachment, it does not appear that Sondland will fall on his sword.  

    If the President continues to stonewall, this is where it ends.  There is only the question of whether the security assistance was also being withheld, but that was the working assumption of everyone else.  

    We wait to see if there will be more Republican defections.  

    Constitutional democracy is in the balance.  

    The Trumpians are into scorched earth territory.  There is an apocalyptic tone on the Republican side.   They know they are in a corner.  

    I’m still reading Wyschogrod, slowly.  It’s quite clear that conservative Jews have it within their power to hold the prophetic tradition hostage.  That has been their God-given role.  They keep the lid on Disclosure.  

    The orthodox are not personalists.   They grasp the remnants of tribalism, for dear life.  This is their best possible posture, until revelation....... until the vectors align.  


    6:45.........

    So the seed of Abraham is intended to lead the Gentiles on the path of redemption.  


    8:10..........

    Wyschogrod mainly argues against supersessionism.

    I have been a mild supersessionist, but Wyschogrod has convinced me of the concept of a eternal covenant with Israel...... the Mosaic covenant.

    In other words, Jesus’ incarnation did not abrogate the Jewish covenant. Jesus was not sent to punish the Jews.

    The Jewish mission was not completed by the arrival of Jesus. As many Christian scholars now understand, Jews have an eschatological function or witness to provide...... besides being a thorn in the side of Christian arrogance.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:03 pm

    As far as the mothership goes, I could have just been talking about the album by Led Zeppelin, hard to say at this point.



    oh my...

    Ramble on Chicken!

    Enjoy!
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:15 pm

    Ack,

    And you wouldn’t want to leave the rest of us here in the lurch. Would you?
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:22 pm

    That's true, I wouldn't.

    But that's your interpretation of the situation here.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:36 am

    Situation normal........ AFU.  

    I have another scenario for you, sports fans.......

    It will be the three amigos meet the three visitors...... gratis donny and steve.  

    This would be the final phase of operation TiN.  

    I’m sure there are better scenarios out there, but this one might be good enough for gummint work.  

    We might have wondered why the Intelligence Committee is handling this, until we remember Chris Straub, over on the SSCI.  

    Do both donny and steve have information Tinkerbell, we might wonder?

    donny gets thrown under the bus where he gets to meet the chicken.  

    East is East and West is West, until the Twain shall meet.

    Don’t forget the vectors...... triVectored Tensors, of course....... speaking of microcosms.  

    Ukraine is the portal between East and West....... duh.  

    Yes, there are plenty of wings in the air, but there also have to be some boots on the ground....... 2x10^10...... speaking of entanglement.



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    Post by GSB/SSR Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:12 am

    Dan: "We might have wondered why the Intelligence Committee is handling this, until we remember Chris Straub, over on the SSCI."

    FLASHBACK 1995 ...

    Chris Mellon is the point man on this, obviously ...

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000100030055-5.pdf

    Meanwhile, the BPWH fails the "conscious puddle" (Douglas Adams) observer bias arrogance test (OBAT)





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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:53 pm

    Good Evening.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:43 am

    Good morning, Cy,  

    What can we do for you?   It has been awhile.......

    May we live in interesting times.......

    Is this our blessing or our curse?

    And here we are, Cy, surrounded by wannabe messiahs...... by wannabe Amigos.  What are we gonna do, Kimosabe?  

    Whatever we do, I just hope that it’s good enough for gummint work.  

    Hail, hail..... the gang’s all here, don’t we think?  

    And I almost forgot, sports fans....... let’s win this one for the Gipper!  

    And, yes, I do believe in supersessionism.   It’s just that the chicken might be the supersessor.

    And Ack thinks he may have seen the Princess on the other side...... she smiles at him...... Is smelly smiling at us?    

    My Amigo is 3.5.  

    Are we getting the impression that Ukraine is the communal watering hole?  It kinda looks like that.  

    Be careful what you’re wishing for, when you go to the water hole, Rudy.  Does Rudy have information Tinkerbell?  

    We might want to ask the Princess.  

    Ack reminds us.......
    Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.  And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.

    And we just have to have a mustard seed of faith....... it’ll all come out in the wash, sports fans.  


    9:50........

    I guess what we’re saying is that the fictions on Ukraine are only pseudo fictions.  There’s a whole other side to the shootout at the ok watering hole.  

    Speaking of the devil, has anybody seen Tinkerbell?  

    Dollars to doughnuts, I’ll betcha that the Princess has a lock on the turtles in the Crimea.......
    When can their glory fade?
    O the wild charge they made!
      All the world wondered.
    Honour the charge they made!
    Honour the Light Brigade,
      Noble six hundred!
    Anyone for Tenerife....... vegas?



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:41 am

    Sorry, this is a lengthy excerpt from The Science of Enlightenment, by Shinzen Young. I wanted to share it because it describes the various states of consciousness one might experience on the path to enlightenment. This is what I was trying to describe to you on the phone Dan.

    I have been experiencing samadhi without a seed states more and more but I wanted to take some time away from the blog to see if I might be able to extend that state from hours to days...then I’ll be back...maybe.


    According to the Raja yoga system, the first step in the concentration continuum is dharana, which literally means “holding.” In dharana, you take some object and attempt to concentrate your awareness on it. The object of focus could be anything: the breath, a sound, a visualization, a flower, a person. When your attention wanders, which inevitably it will, you gently bring it back to the object. When it wanders again, you gently bring it back again, over and over. This act of bringing the attention back each time it wanders is called dharana. We are making an effort to hold on to the focus object.

    As I mentioned previously, we can compare the process of developing concentration strength to the process of exercising a muscle. When we exercise a muscle, we use that muscle to lift a weight over and over, and as a result, the muscle gets stronger. The stage of dharana is comparable to this, except that instead of working against the force of gravity, we’re working against force of distraction. Each return to the focus object is equivalent to a rep in weight lifting. It’s hard work, but it’s one of the main ways that the concentration “muscle” is built.

    The second step in Raja yoga’s concentration continuum is called dhyana. This word could cause some confusion, because the term is used in Buddhism in a similar but not identical way. Within the context of Raja yoga, dhyana is what comes after we have paid our dues, so to speak. We’ve brought our attention back over and over again to our object of focus, and finally, the attention doesn’t wander, but stays put, gently resting on that object. That’s dhyana. In the state of dhyana, our attention is like pouring a steady stream of oil upon an object, without any breaks or gaps in the stream. It’s a smooth, continuous stream of contact with the focus object.

    Once we are able to do this with a specific sound or a breath sensation, or other sensory category, we can generalize that ability to any other object. It’s not like we have to learn the process entirely anew for each type of experience. Once we enter the dhyana phase, we find that when we’re eating lunch, for example, our awareness flows unbroken onto the tastes and body sensations that constitute the enjoyment of the food. However, if while having lunch we start to engage in a conversation with someone, our awareness shifts immediately and flows totally onto just that person. When the person is talking, we’re not caught up in our own thoughts and feelings; instead, there is a constant flow of presence and attention toward the person. When the person is done talking, we go right back to being completely absorbed into the tastes of the food we are eating as we take the next bite. The awareness moves easily from object to object, yet no matter what it rests upon, there is an unbroken flow of attention. This is dhyana according to Patanjali.

    The third and final step in Raja yoga’s concentration continuum is samadhi, which refers to unitive experience. Again, there is a possible confusion in terminology here, because in Buddhism samadhi often refers to any level of concentration, from the lightest to the deepest. In the state of samadhi as understood in Raja yoga, we not only have unbroken concentration, but we actually become the thing we are concentrating on. This is what is meant by the often-heard phrase “to become one with something.” It sounds sort of mystical-shmystical, but it’s an experience reported the world over by all who enter states of high concentration.

    Let me explain in a simple way how this happens. If you carefully observe your day-to-day experience, you’ll notice that whenever you see a flower or another person, or take a bite of food, or hear a sound, your awareness is usually divided. Part of your attention flows out into the objective experience and part of it flows back into your subjective subjective thoughts and feelings. In that moment, those thoughts and feelings create the sense of an internal “I” who experiences the external “it.” But imagine what would happen if, for a period of time, all the attention flowed into the “it,” and none of the attention flowed back into your mental images, internal talk, and emotional body reactions. What would happen to the sense of “I” separate from “it”? The “I” would vanish, leaving only the “it” for a while. Initially, we can maintain such merging or oneness only for a few seconds, but in the case of veteran meditators, it can be maintained continuously for minutes, hours, even days.

    The Raja yoga system actually distinguishes two kinds of merging: sabija samadhi, samadhi “with a seed,” and nirbija samadhi, samadhi “without a seed.” This terminology may sound a little strange to modern ears, but it refers to something very specific and well defined. In samadhi with a seed, all sense of self disappears, and only the object of concentration remains, shining in consciousness. This is what I described in the preceding paragraph. The object that remains is the “seed,” which is still present even though the observer has vanished for a while.

    Samadhi without a seed takes the concentration to an even more extreme level. In this state, awareness flows so completely onto the object of concentration that there is no time to fixate that object as something rigid, opaque, and extended in time and space. In other words, the object of concentration ceases to be an object, ceases to be a something. To draw a metaphor from modern physics, the object ceases to be a particle and becomes a wave. That waveform fills our consciousness, and we become that waveform, and we are that wave. As we merge with the wave, it links to all the other waves in the universe. Then the wave dies away into deeply fulfilling nothingness. Observer and observed both disappear. This is samadhi without a seed: a direct abiding at the Still Point of the turning world.

    This level of merging is both incredibly rich and refreshingly empty. It contains the totality of the universe, and it contains nothing at all, no concrete object. Hence, it’s referred to as samadhi without a seed or pure consciousness or true witness.

    That’s the growth of concentration as described in the Yoga Sutras. We progress from simple focus exercises (dharana), to states of continuous concentration (dhyana), and finally to oneness with the unborn Source (nirbija, or seedless, samadhi). If you can consciously taste moments of seedless samadhi in daily life, we’ll say you attained the initial stage of enlightenment.


    “This level arises when you have lost even the desire to know God or to be Enlightened. This Samadhi without seed cannot be gained by effort, it reveals itself when all effort has dissolved. It is a divine gift, beyond notions of Absolute and relative.”

    So with that said, wish me luck in my efforts. Lol

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    Post by dan Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:44 am

    Ack,

    Thank you for Shinzen....... a diamond in the rough.  

    I’ll have to admit that my meditation practices are a bit different........

    I meditate on impeachment.  

    I guess my God is a God of the gaps....... the gap between right and wrong....... the gap between Democrat and Republican....... the gap between East and West....... into the gap rode the 600.  

    donny, bless his heart, has ripped the bandage off the gaping wound in our Republic....... in our consciousness.

    donny was sent on a fool’s errand into breach that is Crimea, led by Rudy, his Pied Piper. He is looking for Tinkerbell.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:50 am

    Yes, I understand what you are saying, that there is a balance and you can bilocate without having to leave the suffering world behind.

    But you wanted an Eschaton..... you loaded the clips for the Princess. I say the blood is on your hands. Wink Thank you very much!

    Enough said....
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 am

    If you want to make an omelet, you do have to scramble the eggs...... even donny knows that much.

    But be careful of the omelet you are wishing for.  It might bite you in the behind.  

    Do mind the recipe.  The recipe is written in the stars...... Monadnock.  

    And do mind the gap.  

    Does donny have information Tinkerbell?  Does 2 + 2 = 4?  That’s my guess...... it might be in the back of his mind.  

    At night, donny goes waltzing with bears.  

    ....... and with princesses, I would guess.  One could be jealous.  

    donny is not exactly a wall flower.  

    The holocaust was the biggest gap of all.  That is what set all of this in motion.  

    There is the gap between the seed of Abraham and the goyim.  

    Mind the gap.  


    2:22.........

    And how does fusion gps fit into our mini narrative, we might wonder?

    About the same way that the dnc server does.  


    3:10.........

    Is all of this just so that donny can buy another hotel on Broadway?  

    I suspect the game has moved a bit higher on the Maslow scale.  

    Our entertainer in chief maybe just wants a front row seat.  

    He wants a seat near the head of the banquet table in the sky.  

    Can we blame him?  I mean, really....... If one wishes to play games, it might be the only game in town.   Isn’t that right, smelly, old pal?  

    All ye, all ye, in free.  I mean why go steerage?   He was just following his bliss.  

    Ok, so there is a portal in Sevastopol.  So what?  

    What’s the matter with ShangriLa?  

    People do like to collect portals.  Location, location?  

    The ’dnc server’ seems to be some sort of actuator.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:18 am

    Dan doesn’t know himself ack.

    He nor I can relax for you or anyone. There is no such thing as meditation.

    Breaking our cinditioning must be first sometimes before relaxing.

    It’s just relaxing your mind and letting feelings calm.

    Ack, just relax my dude and reality will be illuminated all around you.

    It doesn’t matter who sees you or what others think.

    You can’t talk anyone into relaxing, they have to do it.

    How many books does it take for someone to just practice relaxing Wink

    Zero!

    Clarity is our natural state and awareness fills a silent mind.

    There are no words or names in silence, just being here, that’s all of it.


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