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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:24 am

    I've been setting fires everywhere.

    Oh my.

    Oh the flames.

    Watching all the ignorance and naive dreams burn up is something existential.



    I don't want to rule the world anymore, but I could get used to shaking things up.

    I only ruled over my self, and that now is a thriving partnership.

    Who am I partnered with I wonder?

    It is a power and strength like I have never known.

    It beamz out of me in smilez.

    Try to Apocalypse that!

    HA

    Jesus can kiss my crippled ass Wink

    Stand back Ma, I got thiz.

    I was blinded by the lightz, now as a blind owl I can see and I am FREE!



    Smile like you fuckin mean it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:29 am

    Timeless

    Existence

    Begins

    Forever
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:16 am

    smelly wrote:I've been setting fires everywhere.

    Oh my.

    Oh the flames.

    Watching all the ignorance and naive dreams burn up is something existential.



    I don't want to rule the world anymore, but I could get used to shaking things up.

    I only ruled over my self, and that now is a thriving partnership.

    Who am I partnered with I wonder?

    It is a power and strength like I have never known.

    It beamz out of me in smilez.

    Try to Apocalypse that!

    HA

    Jesus can kiss my crippled ass Wink

    Stand back Ma, I got thiz.

    I was blinded by the lightz, now as a blind owl I can see and I am FREE!



    Smile like you fuckin mean it.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:29 am

    Someone held up a finger and asked, “without making an assertion or denial, what is it?”
    The smelly goat replied, “Smile like you fucking mean it.”

    The Mormon boy standing nearby heard this and was immediately awakened.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:49 am

    smelly.......
    A bleak future in comparison to this?!

    Yes, smelly, just in case the thought never occurred to you........ things can get worse.

    And that is the mission for 1,2&3...... to meliorate a dystopian future...... that is the best option I’m aware of.  That’s the one I act upon.  

    I’m glad to hear that you also have a plan, and there may be overlap between our two plans....... although some might suppose that the role of Jesus in your plan is a bit at variance from his role in mine.  I will accord you the benefit of the doubt.    

    There is a history of personhood, and j guy figures prominently in almost everyone’s history of personhood.  

    In this age of fractured cynicism, some of us still strive for coherence and congruence.  We know that the Truth is a personal trust, and that it will overcome our ignorance and denials..... even while knowing that every bit of ignorance and denial is the best possible bit.  



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:16 am

    Jesus and Buddha are best buds.

    Just look at my avatar pic.

    Don't you think they look so good together?
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:19 am

    Ack,

    A match made in Heaven........

    On some level, smelly must know this, but he sure hates to admit it.  

    In this land of shadows, smelly can only see the shadows.  He must know that the shadows point to the light.  Every fool knows that.  Even chickens know that.  That’s why they cockadoodle at dawn.

    We wouldn’t be able to curse the darkness, if we couldn’t see the light within.    

    Is there any one on the Earth who has not seen the light within?  

    Once you have seen the light, no one can take it from you.  

    Jesus kisses every muppet’s ass, at least once a day...... just for your information, smelly.  

    He washes every muppet’s feet, too.  That’s in the Bible..... it might even be true.

    With the j guy, we get a lube and a wash for free.  

    Have I made my point?  



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:19 am

    Yes Dan.

    A match made in heaven indeed.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:53 am

    Knowing is the shadow of the body of light.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:55 am

    Hmmm........

    Maybe that’s what smelly has been struggling to tell me.  

    Bless you, Ack.

    Between the know nothing and the know it all, we might be able to strike a spark.  

    The immovable object and the irresistible force........ better watch out..... santa is coming to town.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:52 am

    I do not struggle, I have clear mind.

    I am reflecting, not telling.

    I am dancing, not fearing.

    I am aware of a great many things and I only become more still and dance faster.

    Knowing walks with being, death with non-being.

    There is nothing more important for any than to look into who they are...using awareness.

    Then when Jesus tries to wash your feet or kiss your ass, embrace him instead.

    Then stick the knife in.

    Lay his body down gently.

    He begged for us to kill him.

    Let him die.

    It is not his story.

    He told you very clearly, this is your story.

    The story is actually make believe, but so what?

    That’s real enough.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:57 am

    Tell us this, smelly........

    Is the Source alive or dead?

    Does every one of our lives reflect the living Source?

    Do Buddha’s and Jesus’ lives reflect the living Source?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:00 am

    Buddha was a slippery one to kill.

    He kept popping in and out of space.

    But I got him.

    I’m hunting Plato at the moment.

    That Greeks ass is mine saith the Lord.

    I’ll get back to you.

    If it’s easier for you, you can call me Lord Smelly, Hell’s greatest General.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:08 am

    You already know the answers to all your questions.

    You don’t need a smelly goat to tell you do you?

    The Roman’s idea of consciousness was being conscious of oneself.

    If you realize that...

    Welcome into the true Kingdom of being and non-being.

    It’s a much bigger than we have been told.

    And smaller.

    You just have to be here.

    The beer is awesome.

    The beings are luscious and exotic.

    You can’t pass the wall unless your dancing and laughing.

    It is real I assure you or is it all just my imagination.

    I forget.

    Bahahahaha
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:18 am

    smelly,

    Is there not that of Buddha in all of us?

    You don’t need a smelly goat to tell you do you?


    But your voice is music to my soul.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:19 am

    I will have to kill you too Dan in the end.

    I did like having you around.

    But I have to stand on my own now.

    I came back with something from the underworld.

    A golden child.

    I will die for the child when it calls me.

    Until then, it is in my charge.

    I was born to carry this child for a short time.

    I accepted the reality and responsibility.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:31 am

    And is this not cannibalism?  

    We eat our enemies to gain their strength.  

    Long live cannibalism!

    We eat reality and responsibility.

    That is the communal exercise of Disclosure.

    You can attempt to perform it in private, but it does not have the full effect. We are social animals, after all....... though some are prone to forget.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:30 pm

    Chill with a stoic
    Feel with a poet
    See clearly into nature and being

    Goats are social animals, however they are not flock-orientated like sheep.

    Even goats are social animals.

    More on goats...

    Goats communicate with each other by bleating. ... They are one of the cleanliest animals and are much more selective feeders than cows, sheep, pigs, swine and even dogs.

    Goats are the truth! (That's slang for goats are awsome!)
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:35 pm

    Ack,

    smelly will always be our best possible smelly goat, and every time he graces us with his presence, we are, indeed, grateful.  

    Shortly, I would like to follow up on smelly’s recent reference to Schopenhauer.  It could be very useful to examine his place in the philosophical firmament....... when I return from my constitutional......
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:51 pm

    dan wrote:Ack,
    smelly will always be our best possible smelly goat, and every time he graces us with his presence, we are, indeed, grateful.  

    Mu

    Wu

    Yes indeed.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm

    I have observed Dan, that to help oneself, is to help all others around us.

    This is something our kind has not learned very well.

    Goats are social, but they are unpredictable and random.

    Randomness is the way.

    Spontaneous action.

    Enjoy your constitution.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:40 pm

    It does seem that smelly is an acolyte of Schopenhauer’s....... the world is blind Will.  

    That is the misconception that lies at the heart materialism.  

    If science has done one thing, it has disabused of this misconception.  

    It’s hard to understand how this misconception arose in the first place.  

    On our bad days, it is how we get back at the Universe.  

    It is our ultimate blasphemy against the World.  

    Is the only alternative to believe that we are trapped in some logic engine?  

    Are we to suppose also that love is blind?  

    To suggest that Cosmic will is blind, is simply to suggest that one has not yet seen through it.  

    We can see through the world just as far as we need to at any given time.  

    The world has the best possible transparency, for any given individual, at any given time.  

    Are we supposed to be infinitely grateful?  Well, to thank the Cosmos is ultimately to thank ourselves.  

    Atman = Brahman.  The Hindus got there first.  

    Hey, sports fans, maybe we’re not as dumb as we look.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:29 pm

    Love is honest.

    Honestly I don’t know a thing about love.

    Love is aimless.

    The moment you aim you have lost love.

    The moment you aim is the moment your greed has doused the flame of true love with grasping.

    Non grasping is spontaneous and free.

    Non grasping is the recognition that love is complete and nothing more is needed to add to it.

    Accepting what is is accepting you don’t know.

    When you know you don’t know you become spontaneous and free, but also blind, deaf, and dumb.

    Wu wu

    Mu mu

    Yes indeed
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:37 pm

    I will grant you that love is the ultimate mystery.  

    Love is the golden bridge to the Self.

    We cross that bridge with trepidation....... that way to Disclosure.

    And, yes, fools do rush in where angels fear to tread.

    No wonder that God loves fools above all else.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:44 pm

    The perfect Tao is without difficulty, Save that it avoids picking and choosing.

    Follow your nature and accord with the Tao;
    Saunter along and stop worrying.
    If your thoughts are tied you spoil what is genuine.…
    Don’t be antagonistic to the world of the senses,
    For when you are not antagonistic to it,
    It turns out to be the same as complete Awakening.
    The wise person does not strive (wu-wei);
    The ignorant man ties himself up.…
    If you work on your mind with your mind,
    How can you avoid an immense confusion?

    -Seng-ts’an


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