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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by GSB/SSR Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:07 am

    QAnon and UFO Conspiracies Are Merging

    QAnon conspiracy theorists think UFO believers are easy marks, and, in the absence of new Q posts, some of its followers have turned to UFOs.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwepqk/qanon-and-ufo-conspiracies-are-merging

    “By reframing conspiracies as adversarial narratives, we can understand each one as a collection of connected events whose stories are distributed across several platforms in bits and pieces as a means of enraging and dividing internet users,” Decker said. “Oftentimes the various claims used to push specific narratives focus on a range of themes, many of which are covered on a daily basis in mainstream and fringe media, which in turn create frequent opportunities to weaponize both the news cycle and political rhetoric by inserting more polarising and fabricated talking points before pivoting into full-blown conspiracy theories.”


    The above sounds like a conspiracy to me ;-)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:31 am

    It’s clearly not a conspiracy anymore.

    It’s a religion, where all good conspiracies go for resurrection.

    As with all religions there are priests of the pure faith.

    Ecstatics.

    Sages and Serpents.

    And of course, the ignorants.

    There may be a few priests here lurking even!

    QAnon captures the ignorants.

    It’s easy to be caught when you don’t know yourself.

    It’s like that scene in Planet of the Apes where the mute future humans are bred like cattle and rounded up in the fields with nets by the apes on horses while they steal food.

    Just silly children playing games with no idea what is real...armed to the teeth against truth.

    I do not pity them, they are me, I have to try reach out for the ones who are ready.

    Time for the harvest.

    Trump will try civil war before he lets go.

    It seems to have all been setup.
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:47 am

    All of my thinking hinges on the existence of portals, and the overturning of scientific materialism, thereby.  

    I’ve never directly witnessed a portal.  It may not even be possible to directly observe a portal, for all I know.  

    However, their influence throughout history has been strong.  

    Prior to the advent of scientific materialism, in conjunction with capitalism, their influence was paramount.  

    This influence manifested itself mainly in an oracular/shamanic fashion.  

    The operation of any sort of portal is strongly dependent on interpersonal entanglement.  

    Tribes were able to evolve into empires through the hegemonic control of portals.  

    In its twilight, global scientific capitalism is being superseded by a reversion to ethnic control over portals, a reversion to ‘original participation’.

    With the help of eschatology, it will not be difficult to redirect this re-nascent participation into its final form.  And some of this is likely already happening, as we speak.  

    Putin and Xi would be key figures in this redirection.  

    donny.......?  

    I imagine that donny thought he might be able to go it alone...... do an end-run, so to speak.  

    I think he has another think coming.  I guess we’ll find out, soon enough.  

    His playing up to Putin was intended to be the main cog in his portal strategy.  Putin played along...... for as long as he had to.  He would have known better....... being vastly smarter than donny.  

    Anyway, this is my worm’s eye view of things.  

    donny was smart enough to figure out that the Ukraine was some sort of hinge....... he just couldn’t figure out what kind.  It turned out to be a mousetrap kind of hinge...... a real gotcha...... a ‘wayward server’..... my *ss.  

    Now, we have a better idea why the Princess had to throw the chicken under the bus.  She was doing an end-run around donny...... or, let’s call it a quarterback sneak.  

    alB........?  He was willing to sacrifice himself to the cause, bless his heart...... a fellow philosopher, I understand.  I can hardly wait to compare notes.  


    3:30........

    I’d be curious to know what JasonJ’s take on all this would be, particularly from a geopolitical viewpoint.  

    And let us not forget Steve Bannon.  I bet he’s right on the cutting edge...... aren’t you, Steve?  

    Is Persia going to rise again?  Is any empire going to rise again, in the kingdom of..... you know who?  

    In the age of portals and the internet, national boundaries, any sort of boundary, will continue to become more porous.  

    Melting pot...... many mansions.......?  

    I imagine that there will be the best possible admixture.  

    Isn’t that right, Steve?  


    4.........

    If empires there be, it would be much more along the lines of the Holy Roman Empire or the British empire.  

    How many troops do the Pope and the Queen have?  I hope we don’t have to find out.  

    A caliphate.......?

    Bless you, alB, but I don’t think it’s in the cards, or in the stars.

    Your chances would be better to fall in with Rome. It’s about that j guy...... it’s about personalism..... the networking of interpersonalism.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:02 pm

    Jason believes in faeries found in every culture.

    As a philosopher he grappled with the mystic and saw folklore a big part of our history.

    So I think he might meet you half way on portals.

    He has an agenda, bring back the Magi, Mithraism.

    And he isn’t messing around Wink

    He will use anyone to realize it.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1912975408/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_bZDUDbXPTNF44

    He wants a world state.

    He sees technical apocalypse and he’s got a plan.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1912079933/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_D2DUDbE6HQAV8

    Maybe he needs to relax a bit.

    He shattered his academic reputation in pursuit of the world state.

    He might know people and be supported by ones who could make a world state happen.

    World states aren’t my problem.

    In fact, we only have happy accidents.

    He decided to take the direct route, he says the world state must be...

    “deeply rooted tradition with maximal evolutionary potential. This living heritage that is to form the ethos or constitutional order of the world state is the Aryan or Indo-European tradition shared by the majority of Earth’s great nations — from Europe and the Americas, to Eurasia, Greater Iran, Hindu India, and the Buddhist East.”

    Oh boy.

    This one you should watch.

    He’s a world mover, a Prometheus.

    As dangerous as he is brilliant me thinks.

    Gonna get himself killed.

    Gotta watch smart ones.

    They are easily bent.

    This book is kinda like a smart version of the late great planet earth.

    Apocalypse anyone?


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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:15 pm

    Ok,

    Jason became obsessed with the Golden Fleece.  

    So much so, that he betrayed his Princess.  

    Does the chicken look that stupid?  

    I sure hope not.  

    Jorjani, on the other hand......... I guess the jury is still out.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:17 pm

    He had so much promise in his Prometheus book, describing how poesis will subsume techne.

    Then he goes on and on how democracy can’t do it, it has to be Aryans. He wants to go back to heal the schism that led into this techne hell, but he’s got this racist theme in his work.

    I don’t buy it, sorry Jorjani, you had a good pitch, but you just couldn’t make the final leap.

    You haven’t seen it yet.

    I don’t think he has broken through his wall.

    Tradition has its place, to help to make the best of the new world, but we can easily make an idol of it.

    We have to beware of idols for awhile, root them out.

    It is no easy task, because you have to cast off from all sense for awhile and you just have to go through it.


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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:19 pm

    It sounds like the jury has returned.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:22 pm

    It was a short deliberation.

    He’s not there yet.

    He needs more seasoning.

    And his egg needs to crack open.

    When he grows a beard, drops the jacket, and writes some poetry, he may have something.
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:08 pm

    smelly,

    Thanks to you, I do have a warm spot in my heart for Jason.


    The chicken finds itself in the interesting place of mediating between the parties in the Kiviat suit.  Lucky bird....... eat your hearts out, sports fans.  


    6:45........

    Yes, the Korf article does mention Paul as a potential witness.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:53 pm

    This guy Korf Dan?

    http://www.ufowatchdog.com/kal_korf.htm

    Oh brother, beggars can’t be choosy I guess.

    Do you screen these UFO nutcase disinformation types?

    This Korf guy seems like a joke.

    Guess smelly is a joke too, as you were Wink
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:05 pm



    Try to answer my questions immediately before thinking.

    I see.

    What is the ‘I’ that sees?

    What is aware that ‘I’ see?

    Who interprets and thinks about what is seen?
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:04 am

    Thanks, smelly, for pointing to Lachman....... he covers a lot of the bases, and even brings in Barfield.  

    In the meantime, the chicken is safely back under the bus.  foot suggested talking to the two sides of the Kiviat suit.  Kevin took immediate offense, and that was that.  Kevin is no chicken lover.  Who is in charge?  Kevin certainly holds veto power.  

    As to your specific question....... it’s ultimately impossible to distinguish between our inner self and the cosmic Self.  

    Our game of hide and seek is over....... the Source is calling..... dinner time...... all ye, all ye in free..... and guess who is for dinner?  

    Are we being zombified by the cosmic Meme?  I leave that as an exercise for the reader.  

    Is donny the Pied Piper or the Resister.  Resistance is futile.  

    Even if donny is the Antichrist, it’s all part of the same show.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:20 pm

    Kevin was always a little batshit crazy if you ask me.

    All of them are because they aren’t asking the right questions.

    So they are just scenery in my world.

    Shrubs and mushrooms.

    As my ego, which is just ignorance, didn’t ask to be here, really doesn’t matter where the ship is heading.

    How cool that there are these amazing creatures called dogs and woman to provide me my creature comforts Wink

    We have many realities occurring, blending, painting the world.

    What are creatures?

    Paint?

    Hey, make the best of it and don’t resist.

    Resist what?

    Why didn’t Socrates resist his death?

    He knew better.

    Love is embrace.

    Embrace.

    Anyone not embracing is a lie.

    It’s very simple Dan.

    I have it all in deep embrace.

    I don’t know where I have gone or begin and end.

    What we see is what is.

    The world is experienced as it is.

    There is no problem here.

    Relax into it.

    Water is warm, like blood.

    All we can do is relax about it.

    And accept this.

    Accept it is happening and our view of it is not really important.

    It just is what it is.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:14 pm

    BTW i just happened to be between jobs so I posted here.

    My company was too conservative.

    I decided to try .coms for awhile and am working in green energy now.

    We all do what we can.

    I am going to be busy in the matrix connecting smart energy devices to the cloud for a year or two.

    See ya’ll later.

    Have fun.
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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:25 pm

    Disinformer Dan does it Again. Lying to Doug, Kevin, and perhaps others.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:51 pm

    Orderrrr!

    Though, Law and Order is a sham really.

    They say goats saved Reagan’s library, I told them to let it burn, but goats never listen.
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:58 pm

    foot,

    If by ‘lying’ you mean that I attempt to interpret current events in the light of a brighter future, then I’m guilty.  But, I don’t say things in private that differ from what I say here in public.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:37 pm

    Yah!

    We walk our talk Homer style.

    More than I can say for you louts.

    Send forth your best philosopher if you have any clue what’s happening.

    You have no idea who the self or you are obviously.

    Which means you don’t hear the music.

    Awww, too bad.

    You’d be so much more fun if you had a heart
    and worthy minds.
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    Post by dan Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:51 pm

    smelly,

    Why not see if you can exercise just a bit of restraint?  I doubt you appreciate with what you deal.  

    Don’t let superficialities deceive.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:41 pm

    Hey, I’m one of your few friends Wink

    It is they who are out of their depth.

    And you are transparent to me.

    Especially on All Hallows’ Eve.

    The veil is thinnest today.

    The faeries are about and the dead are among them.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:01 am

    smelly,

    The veil may not be quite thin enough for you to see that, with ‘enemies’ like these, I may not be in quite such need of misplaced friendship.  There are many layers....... many mansions.  Sometimes you get lost in the funhouse.  It happens to the best of us, especially in the best possible funhouse.  

    Fear not, however, I can still appreciate your misplaced friendship.  

    While being recently woken on some levels, you may still be ‘autistic’ on others....... but there is hope, yet....... always hope.....

    In other words, you just need to pay attention to details.......

    For instance, if one picture is worth a thousand words, how many words are two pictures worth?  Three and a half?  Seriously, smelly!  

    But, for all the cleverness of the chicken, the goat could still be light years ahead.  All of us are, on some level. It always keeps us guessing.  

    After all, being autistic on one level can make you more astute on another level.  

    On one level, the world is going to end, on another level it won’t.  You just have to know which level is which, keeping in mind that the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.  


    10:10..........

    #2.5 for the grey lady...... https://nyti.ms/3215MoX

    Better call Hitchens......... oops.....


    noon/ft............

    In other words, our 12 motherships are already under construction, in dry dock, and ready for your inspection.  Pre sales for the condos are already oversubscribed...... or so is the rumor.  

    But don’t worry, this won’t be a re-enactment of our Saigon embassy departure..... up on the roof...... well, not exactly.  

    How about the Big Easy in Katrina? Hmmm...... not exactly.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:55 am

    Misplaced friendship?!

    It was a figure of speech, don’t let it go to your head old man.

    But truly, all are my friends, whether they like it or not Wink

    It’s more fun when they don’t.

    Only when you have descended and have lost your hold on your mind, could we even begin to commune...muppet.

    In the meantime, enjoy your delusions, but who is the you enjoying it?

    What a wonder this is.

    I’m sad for you Dan, that you can’t share your wonder.

    Instead you have to have it all figured out.

    Truly, you have not even begun to plum your depth.

    Give me a call when you lose your mind.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:12 pm

    smelly,

    There are some things we have a need to know, and some things we don’t.

    What I am about to tell you, you have a need to know........

    You don’t need to know this today or tomorrow.  

    But I have a need to tell you today.  

    You may not actually hear my words until you are seventy-five...... and that will be soon enough.  

    The twelve motherships will not depart the Earth until everyone who has been waiting (patiently) in line has been seated inside.  

    All the remainers have also chosen...... to remain.  Everyone has been fully informed.  

    When this condition has been achieved, it will be within the prophesied Millennium.  I doubt that it will occur within less than two hundred years.  

    This is what I presently estimate to be the best possible timeframe...... several hundred years.......  before the final departure.  



    (cont........)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:37 pm

    “In a great storm the wise bird returns
    to her nest and waits patiently.”
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:41 pm

    Yes,

    And some of us need to know what is the best possible amount of patience.

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