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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:35 am

    True, we will become unhung on language, but everything comes in its proper time and place.  

    You and smelly are trying to rush the process.......

    Easy does it, says the chicken.

    Language will unhang itself....... as nature takes its spontaneous course.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:37 am

    dan wrote:
    You and smelly are trying to rush the process.......

    Sure

    Maybe

    But sudden awakening is for the quick witted.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:38 am

    dan wrote:Yes, language..... the Logos is a very big part of the mystery.

    However, Ack, I don’t believe in language...... I only believe in the Logos.  

    Words and letters are like atoms.  I don’t believe in atoms.  

    Words and atoms connect us.  I believe in connectedness, but not in individual connections.  I don’t believe in individuals.  



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    Language will unhang itself....... as nature takes its spontaneous course.  

    True.


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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:42 am

    There is no maybe about it........ everything ends up, just where it’s supposed to be.  

    How it gets there is still a bit of a mystery.

    We embrace the mystery..... we internalize it.  Mystery is us.  We own it.  

    We own God..... God owns us.  

    Personhood is no mystery, in the End.  

    It’s all inevitable.  We embrace the inevitable.  We own it.  Let’s own up to it.  

    Yes, and let us not storm the gates of Heaven.



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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:55 am

    Sudden awakening is wonderful...... for those who are in a hurry.  

    The chicken likes to look both ways, before crossing the road.  

    The chicken is a crossing guard.  The chicken doesn’t like to see little muppets get run over...... big muppets, either.

    Awaking quickly tends to frazzle the mind...... as we see with smelly, bless his heart.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:20 am

    Yes, OMF is poetry.

    The highest form of language.

    The muppet is literal.

    Act/Do/Pow

    Is the middle way fornula.

    I like it.

    In fact, I thinks it’s absolutely fucking brilliant.

    Maybe the best way we can respond to being.

    Who rushed.

    We went looking and POW!

    Dan, you love stories.

    I loved my story.

    But I let it go.

    It won’t let me go.

    I have no great truth or mission.

    I just found that this is enough for me.

    Nirvana is real, it really is.

    It just happens.

    You can’t find it.

    Pain is real.

    Fear is real.

    Anger is real.

    All happening because of love.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:04 am

    This news today:

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/lds-church-pressed-struggling-members-for-tithes-despite-100b-stockpile-whistleblower-says.html

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/12/17/mormon-church-reportedly-amassed-100-billion-fund-for-second-coming-of-christ/#5a518146a7bd


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:11 am

    I think the current 100Billion Mormon scandal very telling.

    Money and what it represents is god.

    This world is a paper airplane on fire.

    It’s going down.

    Boom!

    Jesus said don’t get onto the plane.

    That’s a smart desert messiah.

    Jesus was just awake.

    He was taken for god among the muppets.

    Jesus explained the whole thing to me.

    I get it.

    But there is no difference between he and the rest of us.

    You can’t say anything about him you can’t say about yourself.

    You just have to know not know it.

    POW

    You can just stop it.

    The alcoholic can tell the devil he’s not going to drink.

    Or they can just, not drink, pow!
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:13 pm

    No difference, after we have internalized him..... made him our own.  

    We own the j guy...... he owns us.


    11:40........

    One might be tempted to say that the Logos is the glue that holds the world together, but that would oversimplify.  

    The Logos also provides frames and superstructures...... or a scaffolding.  

    The Logos is the out breath of the Monad.  

    However, the Metanarrative aspect of the Logos also provides the coherence or the cohesion..... allowing the many aspects to collapse into a single vision...... almost the inverse of the creative process that often emerges out of a single inspiration.  

    Disclosure would be the start of the cosmic in breath.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:22 pm

    Quite a pickle.

    Guess we have to just eat the pickle.

    And have a beer Wink

    Cheers!
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:33 pm

    Language is dead.
    I love you.
    Goodbye.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:10 pm

    Everything in the universe is connected to this moment here and now and I don’t know anything.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:25 am

    Gary,

    No, black holes create nothing.  You create black holes in your head.

    How can we know that?

    It all goes back to Parmenides and Descartes.......

    Rene...... I think, therefore I am.  

    Parme...... there is only one thought and one thinker.  

    The one thought is...... gosh, it’s really lonely here.  Better do something about that.  

    If there can be one subject, why not many?  

    (I’m on the way to ny)

    There may be no space or time, but there are infinite dimensions of potentiality.  

    Well, that’s what I’ve been saying.  

    The primal bit of potentiality would be awareness....... self awareness, one would presume.  

    How many primal selves can there be, without something to break the symmetry?  

    We can invoke Leibniz’ Identity of Indiscernibles, unless there is a third entity to draw a distinction........


    11:45.......

    ........ or they distinguish between themselves.  

    Can’t they just be in separate dimensions?  

    Not without a means to distinguish dimensions.  

    There need be nothing dimensional about self awareness.  

    If there could be two primal selves, there would more likely be an infinity.  

    But, if two of them ever ‘bumped’ into each other, the entire array would be subject to collapse.  

    This logic may be more than a bit reminiscent of the beginning of Spencer Brown’s Law of Forms.  


    Be that as it may........

    There is another subject I would like to broach........ the language of thought hypothesis (LOTH) or mentalese.  This problem is related to the connectionism problem in artificial intelligence.  

    To my chicken little mind, this problem provides a reductio ad absurdum for communication and thought processes..... unless we posit just one mind/one thought.  We can call it self love, if we wish..... or self loneliness.  

    Everything else is illusion/hallucination...... trying forever to conjure/embrace the Other.  

    Anyone for a fool’s errand?  We are God’s clowns.  

    Send in the clowns........
    Isn't it bliss?
    Don't you approve?
    One who keeps tearing around,
    One who can't move,
    Where are the clowns?
    There ought to be clowns?


    12:30........

    By the way, I’ve recently heard from our old buddy, AP, on the lookout for a little Christmas cheer...... speaking of another one of God’s clowns.......



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:48 am

    Just breathin here.

    It’s a little chilly, but the pack and blankets are warm.

    I’m a little hungry and thirsty.

    Looking forward to work today at home.

    No other thoughts or feelings about anything else atm.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:29 am

    Well, I’m glad you’re not living out of your truck like our buddy.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:33 am

    Well, I won’t judge circumstances, but I hope he’s doing ok.

    Living in a car down by the river might be just what the Dr. ordered sometimes.

    Happy holidays to him and all.

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    Post by dan Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:52 am

    It’s going to be 20’ in nyc the next few nights.  His dog will keep him warm.


    11:40........

    The LOTH is more than a little bit subtle........

    It spells the death of Strong AI, among other things.  

    It spells the death of representationalism.  

    The question is...... how do we get from words to ideas.....?  

    WvOQuine produced the dictionary problem...... words only translate to other words...... look Ma, no ideas.  

    Or we have the combination problem........ how do you get ideas from just combining bits?  If a single bit is not an idea, will two bits or three bits get you any closer to an idea?  

    How then can we think without thoughts?  

    The LOTH is not entirely unlike the Cartesian theatre problem or the homunculus problem........ if the mind generates symbols, who observes the symbols?  We’re back to Skinner’s black box...... we have sensory input and behavioral output....... this is also the zombie hypothesis.  

    When we countenance any reductive explanation for the mind, we are immediately faced with an infinite regress...... who observes the observer...... where does the cognitive buck stop?  

    How does the chicken solve this problem.......?  

    There is just one idea....... love and it’s antithesis...... hate.  

    Everything else is on the spectrum.  

    This might be a slight over simplification, but add in a little synaesthesia, and you get green with envy...... or something like that.  

    You are invited to fill in the details.  

    We might end up with an infinity of qualitative dimensions, but that’s just what Hilbert space is in quantum physics....... infinite dimensional..... so there.  


    12:40...........

    And here’s the brilliant strategy from John Dean and Nancy Pelosi....... having voted the Articles of Impeachment, the House can bide its time...... not transmitting them to the Senate, until it feels like it. The House can save them for a rainy day...... and more abusive stupidity from the 45th President.

    Put that in your Twitter feed, donny.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:24 pm

    Our circumstances do not speak to our resolve or quality, he’s living a stoic life it sounds, I know he’s a positive SOB.

    But cold sucks, stay warm AP, much love.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:32 pm

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/tulsi-gabbard-present-impeachment/index.html

    Wise woman.

    You never have to choose.

    There is always a middle way.

    Someone I love deeply showed me that.

    Sadly I will forget her soon, but love is sometimes blind.

    She is me.

    We is he.

    We are one big little family.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:17 pm

    She’s rotten.

    But I guess we all are somewhere.
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:20 am

    Once upon a time, I was a bit more smitten with Tulsi.  

    I’m very unsmitten with Republican psychophancy....... a very polite way to describe a very ugly predilection.  

    I hope folks understand that psychoanalytics cannot capture the simplest notion of what thinking might entail...... it’s a zombie alert!  

    I’m very smitten with the idea that Nancy can now just sit on the Articles...... it’s like don’t mess around with us, donny, boy!  

    I hope we all understand the issues with the likes of connectionism and combinatorics, when it comes to explaining thought.  Thought/consciousness has to float over the biological switchboard...... like a magical cloud.  

    But don’t worry, says Danny Dennett, consciousness is just an illusion, anyway.  

    The chicken says..... don’t worry, Danny, you and I are illusions, too. You exist in my imagination, and I in yours. It’s existential mutualism.



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    Post by GSB Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:18 am

    Your daily "best world" briefing ... These are the actual locations
    for millions of Americans.

    With the help of publicly available information, like home addresses, we easily identified and then tracked scores of notables. We followed military officials with security clearances as they drove home at night. We tracked law enforcement officers as they took their kids to school. We watched high-powered lawyers (and their guests) as they traveled from private jets to vacation properties. We did not name any of the people we identified without their permission.

    The data set is large enough that it surely points to scandal and crime but our purpose wasn’t to dig up dirt. We wanted to document the risk of underregulated surveillance.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html


    And ...  Navy Pilot Who Filmed the ‘Tic Tac’ UFO Speaks: ‘It Wasn’t Behaving by the Normal Laws of Physics’

    Underwood now joins Fravor, Cahill, and others, in speaking about his experience with the Tic Tac.


    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html


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