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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:56 am

    I guess that means I’m smelly.

    The bearded barbarian came from the west.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:31 pm

    Gary,

    Thanks, your clip does provide an excellent snapshot of HHGG.


    smelly,

    Philosophical midwifery...... I would stick with that.  

    AI is not your forte, even though you have spent time around computers.  

    Every AI person, I’ve seen, is incredibly naive philosophically.  They know as much philosophy as Siri and Alexa.

    Physical scientists and technologists disdain philosophy.  They know enough philosophy to know that is doesn’t compute.  If it doesn’t compute, it is beneath their respect.  So they share that in common with the goat.  

    Some AI folks hold out hope for quantum computers.  

    What they usually fail to point out is that quantum computers are only capable of speeding up conventional computing.  I’m not aware of anything else being suggested, beyond greater efficiency.  

    Anyway, quantum consciousness is a decidedly dualistic, Cartesian, approach to the mind-body problem.  The Anthropic Principle should give great pause to anyone pursuing dualism.  

    You simply have to decide if mind comes first or last...... mind or matter, subject or object?  

    I’ll be the first to admit that matter appears to be our gilded cage....... you have to look carefully through the cracks in our cosmic shell, if you want to see the light.  

    Philosophy helps to see around the blandishments of materialism.

    Or you can take Ayahuasca, like our goat friend. That is the fast track for some.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:18 pm

    I just share what floats by.

    We learn to let people be.

    I work with a bunch of young physicists now.

    But they say I have something maybe they haven’t seen.

    It is funny to play with it.

    I thought about it a little bit after some situations where doing not doing worked very well and they were surprised.

    One kid sees me as I am.

    The rest are propping themselves up.

    I simply say I am a good guesser and when honed, this is good enough, no math needed.

    This confuses the mathematician and causes cognitive dissonance.

    But they will acknowledge they make progress through intuition.

    And that’s what I wanted to say.

    The way I move causes cognitive dissonance, intuition is a powerful ally.

    One does well to cultivate their intuition.

    Well, I didn’t want to just torment people and pull their masks off.

    Something showed me to be kind to them.

    To be naked before them.

    To simply encourage them to find the knowledge within themselves.

    It has been fun.

    I don’t know why this simple way is so profound.

    I suppose they liked that I knew we are mostly fronting from fear.

    Well, we can learn to sit with fear.

    We can sit with everything.

    If you develop your diaphragm breathing this relaxes you.

    We need to find a safe place and be able to release anxiety to avoid acting out unconsciously.

    This is the practice.

    Staying calm.

    Being easy.

    Then we can act from the relaxed state.

    This is my art.

    This is about our own experience.

    This is having a wide open life.

    We strengthen our center to be able to hold all things in experience and be with it.

    Don’t pretend it’s not there.

    Admit and hold it.

    We can do all things from this awareness.

    Then you can feel it all.

    See it all.

    Be apart and present with it all.

    No philosophy needed really.

    That’s just another way of knowing.

    I could say heaven has given me a task.

    But I simply do as I like.

    Is there a difference Wink
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:54 pm

    smelly is loath to admit that there might be different paths for ascending Cold Mountain.  

    The Logos may provide to coldest route....... some like it cold.

    Some like it hot.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:56 pm

    To know the self

    Is to forget the self

    That isn’t theoretical. We all have a story. But following our story can become distracting. We can’t totally forget ourselves, but we can forget ourselves enough to see more clearly.

    We all have these experiences, but how do we relate to them.

    Can’t change the circumstances usually.

    Our original mind reflects everything as it is.

    The truth of this is this.

    But then our minds make something of this.

    It’s so funny.

    That’s why I say this is all really just imagination painted on the what is canvas.

    A dogs bark is just a dogs bark.

    *WOOF** **WOOF**

    But some muppets don’t like barking.

    It is just what it is.

    The truth is what is.

    What you think about it...is just your thought about it.

    The thought or feeling about things are not nor ever will be the whole truth.

    This IS the whole truth.

    Can we dig it?!

    *WOOF**


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    Post by dan Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:04 pm

    smelly and the mystics take the person for granted.  

    That is a mistake.  

    To take other persons for granted is the source of evil.  Tell us that it isn’t. Tell us that you don’t.


    Ack,

    The same goes for you.  


    6:10........

    smelly,

    You damn persons, with faint praise.

    And there you go......... damning persons, again.

    smelly is off on another rampage.  I apologize for him..... we’re sorry.


    6:20.......

    Ack,

    Everything we know about ourselves comes by way of other people.  

    It is simply evil to claim self sufficiency.  You and smelly share that great proclivity.  It is a dead end.  
    .......

    I’m just waiting for someone to come up with a better story.  

    Ack and smelly see themselves as whales falling out of the sky...... or the stork brought them here...... I have no doubt.  


    8:40.........

    It does seem that s&A would like to outlaw stories and persons.  I do believe that the two entities are closely related.  

    The word ‘person’ derives from the Greek word for the masks that were were worn by actors on the Classical Greek stage.  

    This etymology tends to support the view that personhood is something superficial, lacking in any real substance.  

    The BPWH is not entirely averse to that description.  

    I hasten to explain........

    In the BPW, there exists just one person, from a strictly ontological point of view...... all the rest of us are derived from the primal subject/observer, as manifested in time.  All of us are reflections of the primal Being.  


    9:30........

    We come from the Source and return to the Source.  We become one with God...... with the primordial Being.  

    Is not the primordial Being first among equals?  

    God is essential to each of us, and each of us is essential to God.  

    Are we equally essential?  

    Suppose a child is born severely handicapped, and lives only a few days.  Is this child equal to Jesus?  In a fundamental sense, that child is Jesus.  

    Is this not an argument against abortion?  

    It is also an argument against murder.  

    You don’t save children by punishing mothers or doctors.  It’s more complicated than that.  The infinite worth of every person is not something that should be enforced by police.  It must come from the deepest part of us.  

    Disclosure, then, is a revelation of all to all. It will bring out the Source in all of us, and all of us in the Source.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:04 pm

    Intuition comes from the heart.

    We all know what we need to do and we do it almost instinctively.

    No science or religion or philosophy or any ‘ism is needed to move and act from heart center.

    All the knowledge in the world won’t save us from our self.

    We have to turn around and face our self head on, not run away from ourself by looking externally for understanding.

    We can stand honestly with ourself without fear.

    Politics are are for the politicians.

    We start and end with gardens.

    What politics could there be in a garden?

    Flowers don’t speak politics.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:05 pm

    dan wrote:smelly and the mystics take the person for granted.  

    That is a mistake.  

    To take other persons for granted is the source of evil.  Tell us that it isn’t. Tell us that you don’t.  

    You still have nothing to learn.

    There are no mistakes.

    Hey moron I mean muppet, you don’t even know what evil is.

    Hiding thoughts and ourselves is the evil.

    If you hide, you do evil.

    And your moron friends hiding are evil.

    And you sir are hiding.

    And the greatest evil I have come up against to date.

    You sir know nothing and that’s grand.

    But you are no midwife.

    Thoughts go into your head to die.

    **SPLAT**
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:11 pm

    Ack wrote:Intuition comes from the heart.

    We all know what we need to do and we do it almost instinctively.

    No science or religion or philosophy or any ‘ism is needed to move and act from heart center.

    All the knowledge in the world won’t save us from our self.

    We have to turn around and face our self head on, not run away from ourself by looking externally for understanding.

    We can stand honestly with ourself without fear.

    Politics are are for the politicians.

    We start and end with gardens.

    What politics could there be in a garden?

    Flowers don’t speak politics.






    Not quite muppet.

    You have to give the fear voice.

    You have to stand with it as it is.

    Not as we want to be.

    We would all love to be fearless.

    But it comes to everyone.

    We want to be content, but we desire.

    Being this means standing with all of it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:13 pm

    STINK

    STANK

    STUNK

    You are a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich with arsenic sauce.

    Yuuuuummmmmm
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:17 pm

    I love watching Dan trying to avoid accepting what is.

    He has his story and that’s all there is.

    Well you stick with that chicken.

    I’m sure it will work out for you.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:18 pm

    We can stand with all of it....even the muppet.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:09 pm

    No choice, the earth is crawling with them.

    My body requires sustenance and thus u need to interact with them.

    But I keep my time short and focused now.

    They don’t distract me anymore.

    Fun to hug and poke.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:34 pm

    They are just pretend.

    Hugging and poking is what little children do with their soft stuffed toys.

    When we were kids my brother had a little toy stuffed grey alien.

    He loved that thing, haha.

    He took it everywhere....slept with it and all.

    I’m remembering....he called it Prometheus.

    This was 25 years ago...before the movie.

    Funny.

    He was the one that pointed me here.

    My first OMF handle was Ackbar, how fitting.

    “It’s a trap!”

    We are trapped until we aren’t.

    Good thing a goat showed me the way out of traps.

    I’m fool hearted man.

    How do we stay honest with ourself about what we know.

    I can’t really say I know there is a way, but it seems that we work out our shit when we work out our shit.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:43 pm

    I started watching watchmen.
    I’ll take your flying whale and raise you flying squid.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:08 am

    s&A like to talk about the heart........

    The heart is our port in the storm.  It is our island in the midst of the tempest......
    I've built walls
    A fortress deep and mighty
    That none may penetrate
    I have no need of friendship, friendship causes pain
    It's laughter and it's loving I disdain
    I am a rock
    I am an island
    Even Monadnock is not a rock......

    If it were, we wouldn’t be here.  

    s&A want each of us to man up, and leave them alone.  We are all supposed to be self sufficient.  

    The primordial observer was born in a isolation tank.  She hallucinated, and suffered schizophrenia...... multiple personality disorder.  We are her imaginary playmates, and she is ours.  

    s&A can abide anything, other than being someone’s imaginary playmate.  

    Hey, sports fans, it could be that Ack is the primordial observer, and that he conjured us into existence.  Someone did.  

    That someone couldn’t help it...... c’est la vie....my friends..... que sera sera.  

    Just because this is the BPW, doesn’t mean that it’s better than no world.  It’s less than clear that nothing could exist.  Quite likely, nothing is the only thing that can’t exist.  

    What about all those sub-optimal worlds?  

    They exist, but wrapped up in the BPW package.  

    s&A are right, on some level....... each of is a microcosm.  Each of us contains all the rest...... in Potentia.   Each of us contains the cosmic seed.  

    That fact is something to be celebrated, and A&s are rather prone to doing exactly that...... in case you hadn’t noticed.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:36 pm

    No one has to leave me alone.

    I'll hang with anyone who shows up.

    I didn't conjure anyone into existence but my self.

    It was less of a conjuring and more of a flowering.

    The dirt and rain and sun did most the work.

    I don't know who or what I am.

    I know myself as the breath of being.
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    We are This
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:52 pm

    The middle way is not a path to follow.

    It not a brutal denial of self or pleasure seeking.

    There is no teaching, just dialogue.

    No doctrines.

    We don’t rid ourselves of pain, we learn to stand with it.

    From this, you can work your life out.

    I like repeating that here, as it isn’t said much.

    We have nothing to offer each other but dialogue.

    We cannot accept ourself.

    We cannot stop desiring.

    The trap of the journey then is sprung.

    We are all selfish.

    This is the mosquito biting the iron bull in Zen.

    The separate I is seen to be the illusion.

    You can’t do or not do.

    But you can do not do.

    Nothing out there has any answers.

    Don’t be fooled by anyone else, especially doing or not doing egos, muppets.

    They don’t know yet.

    We can’t go back.

    Jesus said be spontaneous.

    Have no thought of tomorrow he says.

    They never preach that.

    Sermon on the mount isn’t practical they say.

    They don’t even listen to their messiah.

    They can’t.

    Being responsible isn’t our destiny.

    That solves nothing.

    My position is insoluble.

    So we can come to our rest in motion.

    Nirvana.

    We learn to stand with no answer.

    You don’t need any.

    You know what to do.

    Do it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:22 pm

    You now, as you are, are Buddha.

    Who believes it?

    You have to realize it.

    Wu Wei doesn’t force.

    You just leave it.

    Drop it all.

    Don’t decide.

    Do, pow!

    Act decide all at once.

    I have no other way.

    Good luck muppets.

    Ha!
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:36 am

    Thank you, smelly, for pointing out the strange ways that we are all connected.  Actually, Everything is Connected was a Ted Talk by Tom Chi...... it was a youtube suggestion.  

    We can simply stop with that observation......... as you admonish us.  

    Do we have to?  

    Who doesn’t love a mystery?  

    I certainly do.  

    And mysteries are there to engage our speculation.  

    There was the mystery of the Moon.  There are more than a few folks who believe that stepping on the Moon was a travesty...... a pollution.  I understand, but I also understand that it was inevitable.  

    smelly and the Princess also believe that stepping on Monadnock will be a travesty.  

    Maybe, but maybe not so much, if that is from whence we come.... we  are simply going home.  

    Yes, we are shooting the Moon..... and Monadnock..... a double travesty.  

    Will that be the end of mystery?  

    It’s more like we will have embraced the mystery.  

    Science says there is no mystery...... everything is just one big accident.

    I say baloney.


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    Language is the mystery.
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:11 am

    Yes, language..... the Logos is a very big part of the mystery.

    However, Ack, I don’t believe in language...... I only believe in the Logos.

    Words and letters are like atoms. I don’t believe in atoms.

    Words and atoms connect us. I believe in connectedness, but not in individual connections. I don’t believe in individuals.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:22 am

    Language has helped improve our physical comfort.

    Without language we wouldn’t have cars and homes and food and clothes.

    But language can get carried away with itself.

    Language can also be a form of artistic expression through song and poetry.

    What we do here in OMF is a kind of poetry.

    I can abide all different kinds of poetic language expressions, even the idolatrous ones.

    People get very hung up with language.

    It seems to take time and practice to become un-hung up on language.

    Who is it that seems to become un-hung up on language?

    It can’t really be said.

    The center blows out.

    Let language have its way.


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