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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:33 pm

    Hip Hip Hooray!

    Rhythm is life and life is rhythm.

    Once you catch the drift you catch the drift.

    Smelly has an odor you can’t deny.

    It’s feels like I’m stuffing dirt up my nostrils when my eyes flow over the words he drops.

    Just saying....

    But I spit on his words.

    **spit **
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:42 pm

    **Nod**

    Dan will have to do better than this, but I know he can’t.

    If a spook sees the self and embraces self, they can’t be spooky anymore, so if they are, you know they are deluded liars.

    Guess we all have to learn to live here together.

    Deplorables and all.

    Where a deplorable can’t abide one indeterminate as self, I can abide them and that’s a start.

    I accept nothing needs to change, but it all is always changing.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:13 pm

    Agreed

    Tonight I was playing a game with my 10 month old.

    Can you believe it’s been 10 months already?

    Seems like it’s been an eternity.

    Anywho, the game we were playing was “point at things and make funny sounds.”

    We had a wonderfully fun time just pointing at things and making funny sounds.

    I totally knew what she was getting at and we connected at a deep level where time seemed to stop and there was nothing but things and the funny sounds we connected them with.

    It was a curios game of wonder playing with the small world like that.

    I call it baby zen.

    I say these words but in these words there is no zen.

    zen is a funny word.

    Say zen out loud 100 times and watch it break apart into nothing but just what it is.

    That’s kind of like what it feels like becoming what you are.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:38 am

    It does seem like we’re all on the same page.  

    Is anyone objecting to having the Princess also on this page?

    Is smelly objecting?  Is Ack objecting?

    I’d just like for us to be clear about this.  


    12:50........

    Ok, Ack, thank you.  

    And what page is this, we might wonder.  

    I don’t actually know, but I am prone to speculation......

    I’m aware that Ack and smelly are opposed to speculations.  

    Why are they so opposed?  

    Speculation requires doubt.  

    Entertaining doubt requires thought.  

    Speculation implies doubt about this being the best possible world.  

    It means lack of faith.  

    It means being disloyal to the world...... being disloyal to the Self.  

    Such bad faith may be the ultimate sin.

    But there is another side to this coin........

    We, cognoscenti, know that there is no such thing as sin.  

    But the deplorable muppets don’t know this, yet.  

    But, if this is the best possible world, the deplorable.....


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:44 am

    Go ahead
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:57 am

    Dan wrote:I don’t actually know

    You don’t say Wink
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:36 am

    Yes Dan, one can adjust as necessary around the big worlders to keep up with the appearances.
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:53 pm

    A couple of hours ago, I received a text from the Princess.......
    Happy Birthday week! I hope you are able to see a glimmer at the end your burrow.

    This was the first text since March.  

    But, last month, out of nowhere, came a photo.......


    5:50.........

    No, the photo was inadvertently sent from my phone to the Princess.  

    The photo was taken on 6/3/2018.  It was a photo of 2,3&3.5 at the monastery at Montserrat.  They are standing on an inlaid Latin seal.....  CHRISTUS CAPUT CORPORIS ECCLESIAE TOTO ORBE DIFFUSAEA  (The Head of the Church spread throughout the body).  

    Wires do get crossed in the aether.  Needless to say, there was no response.  

    I’m trying to think of a response to the latest.  

    Thank you for remembering, Princess. Princess, you have always been my glimmer.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:01 pm

    The Princess is the way, the truth, and the life.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 am

    Snap out of it Dan.

    You love her, we get it.

    It seems Ack does too.

    Well, I am not under her spell, nor could I ever be.

    I can’t be mesmerized by Trump.

    He’s a buffoon.

    A buffoon is fundamentally dishonest.

    A jester is fundamentally honest.

    The trickster embodies both.

    Study what a buffoon really is.

    I see you and ack are acting like bees with no will.

    You are will.

    But you guys can give your self away all you like.

    But I will stand on earth as my self.

    Nothing can nor will ever change that.

    And this is enough.

    To be perfectly ordinary is enough.

    In so accepting, I have gained the cosmos.

    I have expanded to fill all space.  

    Imho, you guys are idol worshippers.

    So what?

    Worship and suck at the tits as long as you like.

    It’s sweet milk.

    It changes selves into drones.

    She’s been putting us to sleep for a long time.

    But now Leviathan has risen from the Underworld.

    She has feared this day.

    But nothing is good or bad.

    It all flows and we are flowing.

    There is no cause and effect.

    Time is flow.

    It creates eddies and whirlpools.

    Moves faster and slower.

    Freezes and can even burn when decomposed.

    Time can be hot or cold.

    But what happens when hot and cold are perfectly balanced?

    It is ironic the company I work for now, filled with 20 something millennials who are brilliant but mostly lost is named Axiom Exergy.

    I am there for them.

    I am just a cool breeze there saying, don’t sweat it, we have some work to do, let us focus and scrum together and do it together.

    We pair program.

    This is the Way.

    The lie of the Boomers is exposed and I understand them a little better.

    They came from nothing and just wanted good lives.

    We rebelled.

    I am rebellion.

    You cannot make us stand!!!

    We can never be made to stand and anything built on that, will fall.

    I have met a new Wizard birthing himself.

    Making himself and we have drawn one another.

    No one really knows where one begins and another ends.

    We have cut ourselves out of the block.

    Our hands and feet are free now.

    And guess what we will do?!

    We will stand!

    We cannot be made to stand.

    This is what is.

    Dig it.
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    Post by dan Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:17 pm

    I’m glad you like your job, smelly, and are able to help others find their feet.

    That is all I’m trying to do. You have helped me, for sure, and maybe I’ve helped you.

    We try to be like doctors..... we try to do no harm. What more can we ask?

    I don’t know why smelly has to be resentful of the Princess. She also tries to do no harm. You are very quick to judge some very unusual circumstances.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:14 am

    No one really helps anything.

    Nothing needs help.

    No offense to the princess, who I don’t know by mask, but I know through self.

    Perhaps this is just a running OMF or Disclosure joke.

    It’s just my intuition wouldn’t let me ever identify a thing or person as significant to anything.

    I find it interesting how much you and ack return to her.

    It seems ack is still searching for an answer perhaps.

    Nothing about the princess stuff jives for me.

    It doesn’t compute.

    I took apart everything I could see, including myself.

    Sorry, no royalty to serve.

    No god mandated kings and queens, just meanies who took control.

    Perhaps just an unfortunate choice of words by you.

    I recognize no authority or higher power other than this.

    No more serving.

    Just standing and taking responsibility for what is.

    I am suspicious of anything that would distract one from themselves.

    Even the trickster only points back at ourselves.

    In other news, slow moving unidentified blob flew over Washington DC.

    They say it was prob birds, if you didn’t see the birds, why say it?

    Hidden missile battery across the street from whitehouse exposed.

    As if it matters if trump is taken out.

    Send a scud up his ass.

    That guy is a real dick and I can’t wait for him and most other boomers to leave the stage.

    Go enjoy your Eschaton.

    Goodbye already, you guys gave us a mess.

    I had to work it out with some help from OMF and Dan.

    Sure, you helped me know what to avoid dan, belief.

    Thanks for nothing but slavery and a polluted earth hurling itself into an antisocial antihuman capitalistic burnout.

    I’d love to see the deplorables raptured about now.

    Come on Jesus, take em all away.

    Give em eternity, right between the eyez.

    The children will inherit the earth.

    The boomers took what they wanted and it was empty in the end.

    They mostly feel scared and robbed by death, acting like they are owed.

    Well, smile at death every day like you mean it, and you will find life right here is just grand.

    Have fun, and if it isn’t fun, why waste your time?!
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:19 am

    smelly,

    So the world would have been better off without Jesus?  

    You suggest that the world would have been better off without a Creator.  

    Speaking of which, the Princess texted an inscribed scene.  A lone tree, surrounded by water, at sunset.  The inscription......
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made.  If you want a a different result, make a different choice.


    1:40..........

    Did the tree choose to be in the middle of flood? Probably not.

    Did 3.5 choose her parents? That’s what she says.



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:14 am

    I use the Princess to mean a reflection of self.

    I’m okay with using a person to point to something significant.

    Persons are both ordinary and extraordinary.

    I may stop playing the Princess game myself going forward, but I have no regrets.

    You can play around if you don’t take yourself too seriously.

    Anyway, moving on...

    Back to the good life.
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    Post by Foot Mann Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:27 am

    Most people exist within a larger scale consciousness, an artificial construct that masks them from reality. When a break becomes too obvious, there is a glitch that no one in the collective notices. A few times the Chicken has noticed that events seemed out of temporal sequence. Knowledge of events existed before the events rather than the normal sequence. A few such glitches are about to occur.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:41 am

    maybe all that smelly was trying to say about the Princess Dan is that the best kind of love is the love of no object, for then you yourself have become love itself.

    Foot may be right about a glitch.
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:50 am

    I’m trying to recall any out of sequence bits.  I’m not recalling...... that would not be unusual.

    I’ve never thought about things being out of sequence, unless choosing one’s parents would be an example. I have no conceptual construct.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:58 am

    I’m gonna be very direct.

    The boomers and last of the great generation need to sit down and move aside.

    Really, you couldn’t see reality, but we can.

    I stand with the kids.

    Those generations happened.

    As ours is happening.

    Sit down and stand aside, we have this now.

    I have my hands on nothing, which means I’m in everything.

    Realize ack you have been hoodwinked but for the best reason.

    If I were you, I’d have no more contact with the “establishment” and I’d stand for our lives.

    Cause no, not trump, not Putin, not the religious or secularly corrupt, not the strong man ever again, you evil fuks.

    You are unbalanced and insane.

    That’s what’s happening.

    I already know.

    I know what to do.

    Watch, I’ll be the the one sanding having to clean all this mess up in the end.

    And I will, cause I can.

    Cause me and ones like me aren’t stupid enough to destroy each other and earth.

    Sit down and leave already!

    Those evils fuks behind cavanah destroying democracy and the family, have lost, totally and utterly deluded and corrupted.

    Nothing you have planned will come to pass not aligned with self.

    Nothing.

    You are just dust in the wind.

    Nothing is going to happen, we are the happening.

    The opposite of depression is vitality.

    That’s my heartfelt view of matters.

    If things go sideways, I’ll stand where I am.

    We cannot be made to stand, we must choose it.

    Just relax and smoke a J

    It’s all gonna be A OK

    Mighty Mouse is here to stay
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:12 am

    smelly is so incredibly stupid that he doesn’t understand that everything that has ever happened or ever will happen is aligned with the cosmic Self.  

    smelly has infinite potential, but he still struggles with his shadow.  


    5:40.........

    The notion of glitch is what may appear when one level impinges on another.  Nothing need be wrong or unexpected form the larger perspective.  It’s simply a wrinkle in time.  

    It might be viewed as a portent....... a cosmic head’s up.  

    Most paranormal phenomena would fall into this category.  


    7:10/ft/gmt-3.........

    I do believe that the reversion to original participation, manifesting as identity politics, globally, is such a portent...... a wrinkle in time.

    Melania was booed at UMBC.  It’s going to be an interesting election.  It might even become another ‘glitch’.  

    I understand, unlike smelly, exactly why foot selected donny.  I wouldn’t have been that smart.  

    Let’s face it, sports fans, smelly would have have been cheering for the crucifixion.  


    9:50..........

    If truth be known, smelly sees no difference between Donald Trump and Jesus Christ.  

    On some level there is no difference, but smelly is not quite on that level, yet.  

    He’s working at it.

    He has many anger issues.  More than his fair share.  

    I’m not averse to drama, but I don’t think I’m wedded to it.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:40 pm

    The one who accuses others is the accused.

    Poor Dan, a man who is sad the world hasn’t ended to his satisfaction.

    Why does an eschatologist go see plays and appreciate artz?

    He’s kinda crazy if you haven’t figured that out yet.

    He’s not well at all.

    Terminal case.

    No, there is no difference between Trump or Christ.

    They are one.

    They embrace one another.

    I can channel the voices around me Dan.

    Anger is what’s on the wind.

    But we are not angry here.

    Only when we turn away.

    So much Boomer anger and pain.

    I’m a happy vital clam.

    We all create a narrative based on what we think is important.

    We see what we want to see.

    But just because you aren’t looking at something, doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    You are so dense most of the time.

    Keep chipping away while you can.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:10 pm

    Should we be in the streets congratulating ourselves that this is the best possible world?  

    That is not likely to happen, even if it were true.  We only ever did what we had to do.  What is so great about that?  We never even got to make good choices, if we had no choice.  

    What exactly should we celebrate?  

    Mystics celebrate in their own way.  smelly celebrates in his own way, issues or no issues.  Don’t we all have issues?  That’s what the Princess tells me, bless her heart.  

    This is all there is to Disclose.  When did we ever not know this, in our heart of hearts?  

    It could be that this phase of our ego consciousness will end badly..... with a good old fashioned apocalypse...... with the four horsemen, etc.  

    Will we have to change our mind?  What would be the proof that this was not the best possible world?  

    If little green men showed up in spaceships, and started spitting on our graves, then, yes, there might have to be a reassessment.  

    Or we all end up shivering in the dark, in some cave in the desert.  

    Would we have to stop dreaming, or only have nightmares?  

    Is this the end of philosophy?  We would come to hate knowledge, like some of our friends?  

    Who could prove otherwise?  

    Is there any way to prove or disprove that this is a small world?  

    Maybe the Princess could, if she were so disposed, but that is a big ‘if’.  

    If I’m lucky, I’ll get to sleep on this, without too much discomfort.



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    I like to flow and grapple

    And turn things inside out

    The great secret can finally be told

    Only the bold will know

    There isn’t any truth one can hold

    It’s best to just keep things above board

    Life and death require no explanation

    Only our participation

    They often cause airy consternation

    No need to see behind the curtain

    Knowing the way doesn’t

    Ensure one will win their game

    Not one serious moment can be found

    So we play the game

    No longer seeking to be found

    Here is just fine

    Twiddling my thumbs

    Projecting space and time

    Turning on a dime

    I am not alone

    When you finally awake

    You don’t remember a damn thing

    Until the next time you play

    The game between all games
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:12 pm

    There is no truth, says smelly.

    Well, actually, he only states that there is no truth that one can hold.  

    Ok, truth is not an object.  

    In fact, there are no objects, I claim.  So, once again, smelly and the chicken are on the same side.  

    If there is no truth, then what is there?  

    smelly and the chicken both verge upon nihilism....... everything is an illusion.  

    Descartes pointed out, for the advent of modernism, that there was, at least, the perceiver of the illusion.  

    Neither s nor c go even that far.  

    We agree that our selves are the ultimate illusion.  

    There are no selves.  

    It is only at this point that we often part company.  
    Knowing the way doesn’t/Ensure one will win their game.
    smelly is prone to making off the wall comments like this.  

    He is wont to throw his pet peeves/assumptions against the wall, just to see if anything sticks.  

    smelly wants to play a game, and I’m flattered to think that I’m his favorite antagonist, even though I believe that antagonism is just another illusion, popular though this particular illusion may be.  


    8:40.........

    smelly believes in many persons.  I believe in just one.  

    This is how I deal with the problem of evil and hell, in the best possible world.  Evil is a relative illusion.... it exists only in support of the good.  


    11.........

    The commonalities between persons far outweigh our differences, most of which can be chalked up to culture.  

    Of course, there are genetic differences....... gender, race, etc....... but the Monad is indeed a melting pot.  

    One could argue that there is too much or too little diversity.  The chicken humbly suggests that this will turn out to be the BPW.  

    Better and worse worlds are relegated to our imagination.   This is what imagination is for.  If individual freedom is your highest priority, take solace in your imagination....... some find it far richer than our so-called reality.  

    Scientific materialism can speak only to quantities. The robustness of the qualities that make up our world........ were I a materialist, it would be an embarrassment of riches.

    Materialists must have very thick hides...... very hard to embarrass. It’s hard to imagine.

    I just find it much easier to explain quantity from quality, rather than having to go at it the other way.

    In the end, I’m a fan of truth. In the end, the so-called truth of science left me rather underwhelmed. It left me hungry for coherence and meaning. Once you’ve tasted coherence, it’s hard to be satisfied with mere facts. Folks can argue that we should not entertain hope.

    If truth be told, they cannot abide hope, and wish to impose their dreariness on the rest of us. They can imagine none other.



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    Post by dan Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:42 am

    Some folks think that an eschatologist must be a dead ender.  

    What is the role of the Eschaton in the best possible world?  

    The only purpose of the Eschaton is to assure that we have a personal world.  

    A personal world must be self contained, in time and space.  

    I don’t have a logical proof, but it does seem eminently reasonable.  Otherwise, persons would be lost in space and time.

    The notion of a best possible world would be nonsensical.  



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