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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:20 am

    First topic message reminder :

    To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

    We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

    In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

    In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

    (continues in post #2......)


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:44 am

    This is a revolution of the mind.
    Open your eye.
    Abre los ojos.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:18 am

    The tic tac looks very much like new weird shapped drones.

    I think the tic tacs are experimental drones.

    I think I saw Richard Dolan having to do JFK vids.

    So now ufo researchers moonlight in conspiracy while they await the aliens.

    What a distraction.

    And Gary, personally I could care less what they track.

    They can listen to all my convos.

    Who cares?

    As if I’d care what a muppet knows.

    Pfffftttt
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    Post by dan Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:09 pm

    I had my monthly chitchat ..., as delegated by foot.  

    He is very cynical, although he sometimes claims to be a xian.  

    He stands by the tic tac story.  Otherwise, he sees no Disclosure.  Instead, he sees a large dieback, like foot.  

    foot also tried to dissuade him from the story, but ......

    He expects no further follow up.  He has not discussed it further with foot.  

    He does see it as an inter dimensional phenomenon.  

    He has nothing to say about the prophetic tradition.  But he subscribes to personalism, when pressed.  He is more interested in military affairs than in philosophy.  

    In my estimation, most of it is just posturing..... to be be seen as anti liberal.  



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    Post by 99 Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:14 pm

    "... tic tacs are experimental drones." (smelly)


    Not according to "Ancient Aliens" theorists. (sorry but I couldn't resist)

    -----------------------------------

    I found this interesting. New article...

    "Christianity Today" influential evangelical mag. says Trump should be removed from office.

    note: Billy Graham is the founder of that magazine.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:31 am

    Well, the smelly goat, who knows smelly, calls bullshit on the tic tacs and Disclosurez.

    Really, what disclosure will make your life any more or less meaningful to you?

    No ones life really matters to you as much as yours.

    In the moment one may be able to surge past the self destruction governor and give their life for another.

    But if you are tortured to death, you just want the pain to stop.

    You will do anything to stop it.

    That means something to all of us.

    This is the great crime of the Jesus myth.

    Jesus died before he died.

    He died to himself.

    He’s headless.

    He is Buddha.

    He is you.

    That’s you.

    It doesn’t matter how, it just is.

    Did the Sun come to walk on Earth?

    I would.

    Who do you think is here reading these rantings?

    Where he was Luke Skywalker who couldn’t raise his ship out of the swamp alive, he died and then he rose again and could move any mountain.

    His death to me sounds a painful one.

    But he didn’t die for me.

    He died.

    We are alive here.

    We are slaves and are good for a certain amount of work. And a group of people benefit from the work of the polis.

    They live fat, but I would guess hollow lives denying who they really are here, us.

    You know what tic tacs are good for?

    To make me smell goooooooooood.

    And I do.

    Mmmmmmmm

    Oh the gall of a goat.

    P.S. if they are inter dimensionalz, guess what, then so are you. There is just this you black ops morons. You should know that better than anyone and of course you do.

    Star Wars belies something great in us.

    Not good or evil, great and awesome.

    The full potential of Love.

    We are still so afraid.

    We are gonna have to get over that to take the next step.

    Every potential Jedi knows, until you face your fear, you can slide into tha darkness.

    You want to face fear.

    Doing so releases the anger that clings to it.

    Trust me on this muppetz.

    Jesus was a radical Dude.

    The smelly goat is just a dude.
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:49 am

    I am disappointed and puzzled by foot’s efforts to undermine the tic tac story after it had been published.

    My understanding is that xxx did not discuss the story with foot until after it had been published.

    These facts lend no additional credence to the Princess’s provenance.  

    They do not necessarily detract either, but they don’t help.

    They speak mainly to his contrarian nature.  

    foot’s underlying motivations remain a puzzle..... in the puzzle palace.  

    We don’t know how big is the professional embarrassment to have been associated with the chicken.  I would be his albatross/chicken, for sure.  Everything else would be relatively minor.  

    xxx does little to alleviate the puzzle, one way or the other.  

    Can Disclosure be taken off the table?  The WoM/MoAPS would be optimal, if we have the time.  

    We might wonder at the mechanism that rendered this attachment inevitable.  And where are we left with the alleged potus connection?  

    foot cannot afford to be taken to be a reliable witness.  That would greatly reduce his room for maneuver.  

    Does this extra ambiguity render the BPWH more doubtful to me...... to others?  Well, like smelly, I can’t really speak for the rest of you.  I’m not my brother’s keeper.  


    9:45........

    I’m gratified to see that Christianity Today has removed donny from their Christmas list.  I wonder how much their principled stand will cost them in subscriptions?  No self respecting Christian may ask such a question.  

    Will such a stand make a difference?  

    It does to me.  


    1:30..........

    donny has brought us all down.  Do we doubt that we’ll be able to rise again?  

    Could central casting have come up with a better Antichrist?  


    7:30........

    If donny defines our low point, we’ll be very lucky.  

    What could possibly disprove that this is the BPW?  

    It’s hard to imagine what a disconfirmation would look like.  

    My imagination is not that robust.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:30 am

    No one can bring you down or lift you up but you.

    He’s honest about hating himself.

    He does it so well, he thinks we all turn around him.

    In a way he’s right.

    He just doesn’t know what a human being is.

    He’s primal.

    The orange one is not my leader.

    He’s just a talking orange.

    I have no leader.

    I have no savior.

    I have no god.

    I’m just this.

    He’s just that.

    I guess everything is just fine.

    There is something he appeals to in boomers.

    An anger.

    A hatred of other.

    A primal selfishness.

    Like Jack.

    The old people will pass away soon enough.

    The world will keep turning.

    Until it doesn’t.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:26 am

    Happy winter solstice.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:28 am

    You, too, Ack.  


    Ok, sports fans, I cannot lie, so I’ll have to tell you that I almost lied to you.........

    I told you that our biggest problem was that we didn’t have any problems.  

    Obviously, that was a white lie.  

    The world’s biggest problem, going forward will be the chicken, and it’s actually not a little problem....... but, on the other hand, it’s not a terribly big problem either........ I mean, I think we’ll be able to (mostly) live with/through it.  

    And, about those glitches, going forward, the NYT will be glitch city...... all you have to do is scan the first page........ they are apologizing to donny for ever implying that he was conspiring with the Russians....... and so forth.....

    But that’s partly fake news because donny would love nothing more that to get down and dirty with vlad....... with donny being the Second Coming, and all that.  Sorry about that, donny...... you almost made it...... almost got away with it.......  better luck next time.    

    Next time, donny, just remember that reality is whatever you can get away with...... in the End.  

    The biggest personal problems we have are all connected with portals...... Kim jong, donny, chicken, smelly....... you name it....... we are all just portal problems.  All these problems will go away as soon as we can Disclose portals, which will be just about never.  

    Yes, Disclosure is best seen in the rear view mirror.  It was in the NYT, just like I predicted, but foot didn’t want me to see it, at the time..... so I refused to believe (........). foot was only trying to protect me from myself, of course.  

    Hindsight is 20/20.  

    So, what’s next......?  

    There are two main problems...... the two ends of the God spectrum.....

    1.)  the ones who think we’re closest, and .....

    2.)  the ones who think we’re furthest away.  

    The rest of us, in the middle....... we’ll pretty much take care of ourselves.  

    donny is taking care of the #1’s, with all his tough love..... hmmm.....

    The #2’s......... I’m not terribly worried...... they’ll just have to learn to eat a little chicken....... hmmm..... finger lickin’ good.  


    11:30.......

    When it comes to Disclosure and portals, I think we’d agree....... it’s better to have too few than too many....... certainly as we come out of the gate....... WoM/MoAPS and all that stuff.  What’s the big rush?  We’re just dyin’ to get in! smelly’s not in any rush, is he?  



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    Post by GSB Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:26 am

    Does this extra ambiguity render the BPWH more doubtful to me...... to others?

    Are you stuck like a fly on the wall spinning round-n-round on a loop in time trapped inside a previously-used BPW going nowhere fast?

    Is Dan is a "little chicken" to chase the voice 3 steps higher "into the unknown"?









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    Post by dan Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:53 am

    Golly, Gary,

    Did you just realize that the best possible world is eternal?

    Congratulations!  

    Yes, Gary, time is an illusion, and so is everything else.  

    So, are we stuck in Eternity, going nowhere fast?  

    Help...... get me out of here!  

    I want my money back! ...... etc... etc.....

    Besides being God, of course, (sorry ‘bout that, donny) I’m also head of the complaints department....... I have to sit by my phone all day waiting for someone to complain.  

    My only complaint, so far, is from donny complaining that he’s not God.  

    Come on, donny, this God thing is way overblown.  You are having much more fun than me.  

    I should be the one complaining, here, but I just can’t figure out who to complain to.......

    Since there is actually only one ‘real’ person in the BPW, we each have to go around the loop 10^10 times.   Brother, that’s a real drag!  

    On the other hand, my memory is failing so fast, it’s easier just to forget.  

    All I can say is....... thank God for amnesia.  

    But, while we’re on the line, if you happen to run into the Princess, donny, please tell her that I’m looking for her..... she owes me a lunch or two.  

    Actually, donny would make a pretty good Jesus, for a lot of folks...... he gets to come down from the clouds with a golden halo and smite the deep state...... and the NYT, for goodness sake...... talk about fun!  

    I’ve already had to make up to the Princess twice before..... once with a tutu, and again with a chicken suit.   What will I have to wear next time?  When she signed up for the Princess gig, maybe she had something else in mind..... I think we’re all in the same boat, on that one...... but that is sort of the point.  

    Heck, I almost forgot the Peter Pan outfit that I wore to the wedding.  

    Afterwards, they told me it was supposed to have just been a joke.  You can fool me once, Princess.......!  

    I think I see the mix up...... she signed up to be a Princess, so she got really upset when she found out that she was going to have to be the best possible Princess.  


    8..........

    Instead of star wars , we may be having portal wars.

    One might have hoped that the hive would be off limits, but there may have to be compromises. Bad actors may have to be enticed in, before they can ultimately be dissuaded.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:52 pm

    No, I'm not in any hurry at all.

    My time runs slooooooowwwwwww.

    I need go nowhere.

    I await nothing.

    I tinker at my life.

    Try new fittings, upgrade components as needed.

    I have learned to connect, yes, but my heart hangs low knowing I will learn to let go too.

    So I let it penetrate me and I hold nothing back anymore.

    The price to be is great, to be or not to be?

    Seems like an academic question, we be here.

    Our life is just a glimpse of being.

    So I enjoy my life.

    I have what I need here and I am open to move when needed.

    It seems that goes a long way in giving you a little space to relax into.

    I am often here, only disturbed rarely now.

    Aiming and releasing the arrow at the same time, you tend to hit the mark and so your life goes, one bullseye to the next.

    It's much better than skating on the edge of chaos on thin ice.

    No thanks.

    It's cold out there on the edge.

    It would drive one mad.

    I like the warm gooey center myself.

    Energy takes the path of least resistance and I seem to be all out of resistance and I do not expand, I feel myself shrinking, being pulled in.

    I have less to say and think.

    But I feel my emotions so deeply, not disturbed by them, like taking a deep inhalation and letting it out slowly. That relaxing in and out can go very deep. Like feeling the web of life vibrate and noticing it, but not moving toward it.

    Is this frictionless state Nirvana, who cares?

    Is this rest?

    Who cares what you call this?!

    Each is the Buddha, only have to know/not know it.

    One becomes indeterminate, fluid, filling the space they are in entirely.

    We know what to do.

    I have no need to debate the future or the present or the past with muppets.

    They don't know anything really, they are facing the wrong way, living their stories.

    But consider the Dog.

    I have a tight bond with my dogs.

    CS understands.

    My children.

    I spoil them.

    But what loyalty between us, unto death.

    The joy of just laying together.

    The loyalty to the pack.

    If we can't do as good as a dog, we aren't much of a human are we.

    Trump is not able to get anywhere near the garden.

    That's his choice.

    My dogs help me be my best and I help them.

    Nature can be brutal, but it also meets us and brings what we need.

    There is so much here, a bounty one could say.

    And so it goes for a talking ape spinning around a little yellow sun in the arm of a spiral.

    Being aware is a strange thing and really, I do not understand this and anyone who says they do you can smile at and nod.

    Smile like you mean it.

    We can let them all chase their tails as they like.

    It's all just fine.

    If chickens wanna run around, that's what they do.

    But I see no purpose or missions anymore than I smell truth in my goat fartz.

    Enjoy!
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:23 pm

    Smelly,

    I understand your bond with your dogs.

    They bring forth the best in you and you them.

    They help us in ways that are hard to articulate, explain, to those who have not experienced the joy and love of connection with animals. All animals. I can't even explain it to myself.

    All children and muppets should at the very least have the opportunity to share their lives with animals.

    Dan,

    For the record, I believe in the logos..

    I also have faith in the chicken and the BPW as you know Smile

    I mean, I spent last night in the company of my mum, our dog, 6 cats, George Bailey and Clarence..

    Only the BPW could create its a wonderful life..

    Just caught up on posts.

    I hope AP and his dog are ok.

    Much love to them both

    Smelly,

    Where you floating over N Ireland this afternoon?

    I looked up and saw clouds Wink

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    Post by dan Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:41 pm

    It sounds like we won’t have to worry ourselves about Scott and smelly, this season.

    There are those, however, who catch the back hand of the BPW. All of us will be there, sooner or later.

    The Source always seems too slow to open its heart to all of us...... slow but finely and finally...... we can say about love and justice....... slow to anger..... swift to forgive.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:55 pm

    I haven't worked it all out of course.

    I have put childish things away though, mostly, and I have things that depend on me and I am not running from that anymore.

    I enjoy playing my part and I don't have to carry anything around, just nail it wherever I am.

    Now if I get parkinsons and slowly die, then that will happen too.

    I am free of belief, phew.

    That itself brings a very stark clarity to the moment and really allows you to live in the moment when you have no future but now.

    But there is something profound in sloooowwwwiiinnnggg down and listening and watching and being.

    It does not mean you are not in action, just that you aren't really doing it, you are doing not doing it.  

    I wonder if I can stretch a moment out into forever?

    I am a vibrating pattern of energy.

    That reduces down to this.

    Why not?

    And why can't it be the best vibrating trip possible?

    Of course it is.

    Why is everyone so bugged and scared then?

    That's the difference between being here and being square/a muppet.



    Cy asks with so many narratives, how can you find the best one?



    you wanna know how they know CY?

    I know this!

    You follow the music that moves you.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:33 pm

    Yes, you kinda know where you are......... when, if you go a mile south, a mile west, a mile north, and you’re back where you started.  

    If you don’t believe it...... just repeat a few times.

    I may be under the bus...... if so, it’s because we all have information Tinkerbell.  There’s really nowhere else to go.  Is that a bad thing?  It might be a good thing.  It might be the only thing.  

    Information Tinkerbell is basically WoM/MoAPS....... from here to Eternity.  

    I am the scribe so I can’t be dissuaded from scribing.  

    Mutual intimidation is how the game is played...... you have to operate on gyros.  

    I’m kinda back with my original interlocutor...... small world.  

    This is how Tinkerbell is kept safe and sound.  

    You may recall that things got real quiet for a few years.  We came back on line, at about tic tac time.  

    Are we back off line?  

    Can you put toothpaste back in the tube?  

    We’re on internet time.  

    Ok, so we have at least five visitors.... 123.54, present company excluded. That is my small world.

    And it could as well be the majority..... whatever.

    Last I saw donny, he had his nose pressed against the glass..... gilded cage...... covfefe, or something.

    We’re all in the same boat, so we’d better not push and shove.

    Our days, if you’re a history buff, are numbered. No more built in holds, smelly. We’re keeping the pedal to the metal, in other words.

    Is the Princess happy? There is a question.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:57 am

    Pretty much what Ayahuasca is like.



    No one is ready for it.

    This is this.

    It needs no explanation.

    I’m just shootin tha shit.

    I have no point.

    You are all welcome to yourz.

    See what comez of them.



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    Post by dan Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:41 am

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/world/europe/russia-putin.html

    Obviously, vladie is covering for the chickie....... at least it might connect a few eschatological dots.  There does have to be a global synchrony.  And the Princess has to be in there, somewhere.  

    I mean, we can take a cue from jj....... Persia will rise again..... on the back of a turtle....... kwf.  

    All we have to figure out are mossad and the triads...... ok, abu bakr and ms13.  

    Is democracy dead?  Hmmm..... well, it gets folded into personalism.  

    The MoAPS is folded into the monad...... a la smelly.

    Original participation is a cover for the final participation.



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    Post by GSB Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:15 am

    Baba Ram Dass, psychedelic pioneer and New Age guru, is dead at 88

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/23/us/baba-ram-dass-death-trnd/index.html


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    Post by dan Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:38 am

    Richard Alpert, Alan Watts.......etc, were the pied pipers of Monadnock.  

    Carl Jung was the visionary.

    You definitely want to take a look at this...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Davidson_(philosopher)#Apeirotheism  

    Unfortunately, Davidson is talking about an infinite number of gods.

    The difference between infinity and 10^10 is the Eschaton. The devil is in those details.

    How far would chickie trust vladie?

    Not a whole lot further than I would have to.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:56 am

    Steady as a rock...

    I happened to have listened and read Alan and Ram Dass, called Rum Dum by his Dad, extensively.

    I wanted to know what they knew.

    I had a knack for sharing my inner experience.

    I considered what they lived and said very very very deeply and applied it.

    Have you all?

    In fact, I took them at face value and dove into where they pointed.

    This is your own MOAPS I guess.

    Most people who follow teachers, never stand on their own.

    But why do you think these guys were motivated to share what they did?

    Someone helped them and they passed it on, as I pass it on. The greatest help is to learn you need no help really other than a little help from your friends.

    I am their child in a way.

    Imagined and dreamed of, but rarely seen.

    They grappled with Deep, the marks all over them.

    I don't take that pridefully, just the way the cookie crumbles.

    I know where I stand in History.

    Do you?


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    Post by dan Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:04 pm

    Neither Richard or Alan had a clue about the Eschaton.  

    vladie, under the influence of Dugin is big into the prophetic tradition.

    I might have to take that back...... Aleksandr is big into fascism, not unlike jj.


    6:15.........

    Alexander Dugin: Between Eschatology, Esotericism, and Conspiracy Theory

    In: Handbook of Conspiracy Theory and Contemporary Religion
    Author: Victor Shnirelman

    And so it goes........


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:13 pm

    The Eschaton doesn't exist for us.

    Sorry, the world as we knew it already ended.

    Maybe everyone has their own Eschaton to avoid the big one?

    You are way way way out on your own with the Eschaton.

    I hate that word, really, I loathe it.

    It represents all that is confused about life to me.

    We make a space for our death in our awareness every moment.

    Ram encouraged this.

    Where is the Eschaton then Wink

    "Apeirotheism called for the release of each individual's potential divinity through self-cultivation and the nurturing of others rather than through changes in one's material conditions. Davidson was convinced that this release would lead to the only true reform of human society; it was to this task that he devoted the rest of his life."

    His words can be simplified, but I agree with him, as I live it.

    Reform starts and ends here.

    You learn that when you need to I guess.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:23 pm

    Dan,

    I believe and accept in the Logos, the way, but I do not claim to understand it.

    I know I don't. I know nothing. Only likely that which I imagine.

    I agree that at this time of year, it is particularly hard for people. Not that I would consider it is easy at any other time for most.

    Much of the world is in chaos, anguish and pain.

    I know I have been there. We all have in our own way. I do however feel for all those who are.

    Their pain is also mine.

    Maybe I am too simplistic and idealistic I truly don't believe the world need continue this way and I have faith that it won't.

    All good stories, have and or should have a 'happily ever after ending', for everyone or one.


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    Post by dan Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:30 pm

    Scott,

    I cannot discount the possibility that things will get worse, before they get better.  

    By many measures, however, the average lot in life continues to improve.  

    The apparent disharmony may largely be the result of the ‘shrinking’ of the world brought about by the much greater flow of information....... the clashing of cultures, etc.  

    Modernization has done much to rob life of any deeper meaning.  The chaos is frequently just superficial.  

    Also, we definitely are in a transitional epoch.  Old systems collapse before they can be replaced by the new understanding.  

    Please don’t be a know nothing, like smelly.  It’s contradictory to say that you believe in the Logos, without understanding it.  I’m sure you can do better than that.  


    As for smelly’s animus toward the Eschaton........

    Can you not celebrate the fact that you have become more conscious of Brahman/Atman?  Yes, this is your personal eschaton.  I’m sorry that you are so reluctant to share your inner peace.  

    There might be a misanthropic aspect to your reluctance.  Or that your grasp of Brahman is a bit more tenuous than you are prepared to admit.  

    To deny that others can and will share the insights and intuitions that you claim, provides you with a very truncated view of the world.  Others might even call it egocentric...... God forbid.  

    I see no benefit to yourself or others to deny that this capacity exists in others or that we are incapable of its realization.  

    Your myopia is a mystery.  



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