Notes from under the bus...... to Monadnock

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To get to Notes from the Underground you have to go by way of Fathers and Sons and What to Do.  That will take you back to the mid eighteen hundreds....... it’s been a trip, and we’re almost done.

We’re still left with the question of what to do....... modulo communism and existentialism.  

In a pre Millennial frame, I’d been advocating (a portal-centric) communalism for the duration of the Millennium.  

In post Millennialism, ie. modulo the Millennium, we have to readdress the question of what to do, ie. come up with an action item for the Princess.  

(continues in post #2......)

Why would anyone let themselves be head butted by a goat over and over?

I’m with foot.

There is bright light ahead if shortcuts and distractions can be avoided.

2020 marks the beginning of 2020 vision and a vision of transition from a separation of church and state to that of a unified vision.

You are with foot means you are lost.

Find your own way, which is no way.

It is so simple what to do.

2020 is when you lost your way as far as I can see.

But then we know you were always just pretending.

Trust your own vision pretender.

You can follow it into the Sun or Hell if you like.

But it’s only your own vision.

WAKE UP!

You’re dreaming muppet.

smelly’s avatar for the past few days has been the Bodhidharma.  This makes him a personalist...... probably a better personalist than most Christians would ever hope to be.  

This is smelly’s first historical person.  

It might even be that the Bodhidharma is more Christian than Christ.  

Yes, because Jesus thought the the Father could disown his own children.  That’s possible, but I’m doubtful.  I’m mean he could banish them to Limbo, but not permanently.  You can put something into orbit, but eventually the tidal forces will bring it back down.  

Tidal force......?  The monistic force....... cosmic gravity, if you will.  

You cannot disavow the Source.... the Source cannot disavow you..... sorry about that, smelly.  

What is the one thing that the Bodhidharma was missing.....?

Like smelly, the Bodhidharma was an implicit personalist.  

The Bodhidharma even believed in history.  He understood that he was on an historic mission to China.  

Jesus did not mince his words, when it came to personalism.  

This is the only difference.  And, yes, Jesus was a better eschatologist.  

The Bodhidharma was not a prophet....... not in prospect.  In retrospect...... sure.  But Jesus was a prospector, especially when aided by Paul..... they prospected for souls.  

Explicitly, J/P were prospecting for individual souls, like B.  

But it was always about communalism.  Communion was always present, right from the beginning, to the best of my knowledge.  

In Buddhism, only the monasteries were communal.  

That made a big difference in history.  

A monastic community is, by definition, eschatological..... in the immanent sense.  

A prophetic community is eschatological in the imminent sense.  There is a big difference.  

Do not immanentize the Eschaton.  


And, speaking of the Eschaton, it appears that we may be coming back online....... imminent wise......

I have been reassured that the whole Nimitz story was just for public consumption.  Even #4 understands this, and he is on the trickle down from Hal, as is Steve Bassett.  It has been suggested that Steve and I have a little get together, in DC.  

There is still activity out at the Lake, but nothing really for public consumption.  Kevin is working with both Russia and China.  

One might suspect that there has been a meeting of the minds regarding the impeachment question.  I would not care to venture an hypothesis, personally.    

Grant has also sworn off TTSA, and is back with magic.  

It’s about the inter dimensional hypothesis (IDH)......

It would be a real test to see if I could explain this to Steve.  I know of nobody more hard core the Steve, with regard to nuts&bolts.  

Should we worry that we haven’t seen any glitches?  Hey, I’m a one glitch pony.  

Personalism is my one glitch.  I’m not really sure what a ‘personal’ glitch would look like.  To me, Hong Kong looks like a personal glitch..... certainly for the Chinese.  

Are there any personal atheists......?

One might pose that question to the chicken......  

I don’t see a Creator, per se.  I see the first person who became a coCreator, along with her imaginary playmates.  The fundamentalists would not be amused.  


1........

Technically, there are two kinds of personalisms.... weak and strong..... empirical and ontological.  

Empirical personalism, personally, is a nothing burger.  When I refer to personalism, it will be of the ontology variety.  

The closest I can find to personal atheism is.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheistic_existentialism ......

Nietzsche is taken as the prototypical personal/existential atheist, along with Sartre......

Atheistic existentialism is the exclusion of any transcendental, metaphysical, or religious beliefs from philosophical existentialist thought....

Hmmm....... smelly?

Well, I guess that humanism also comes close, but it is not personal.  

Calling yourself a personalist without any metaphysical commitment is the nothing burger kind.

Well, existentialists claim to put existence before essence. What does this mean?



(cont.......)

We don’t walk around being personal on purpose.

We are drawn to each other...and repelled.

There is a gravity between emotional bodies.

This is natural.

Observe how you relate to others and they to you.

Observe how bodies move around each other.

It’s a graph, actually history is a time tree.

Each of us are nodes in this giant graph, but the overall is defined by the relationship of the parts.

My boy bohdi knew this.

No gods are needed.

But anything can connect to the graph in ways we understand and don’t.

Bodhi lived his talk.

Stared at a wall 9 years.

This isn’t normal muppet behavior.

He was here and powerful knowing his part.

There are no missions, there is human will.

We all have superstitions and irrational elements.

There is an element of irreducible rascality in us.

You are trying to fit the narrative into terms that can’t represent being.

Just echoes.

Being has nothing to say, persons do.

Things don’t have to make sense to me.

I’m not going to fall apart if my words can’t describe the happening.

I’m part of the happening.

Being able to feel this movement is awareness.

But I don’t direct it anymore than a red blood cell directs the flow of blood in the body, one becomes aware of these levels of flow inside and outside us interacting.

You can learn a lot learning to be aware and move with these flows.

Just a happy little cell.

What a wonder is a cell.

Bodhi was not on a mission.......?  

Well, then, what the heck was he doing in China.  

Right now Kevin is my missionary to China, not that he would ever admit or even understand that.

Back when I was more of a Theist, I would say that we are the brain cells of God.  

As a personalist, I don’t believe in brain cells, anymore than I believe in atoms or the Big Bang.  

I do believe in the Source...... the first person able to pull herself together, and ride the Cosmic Potency.  The force is with us.  

Heck, my Sophie....... she can hang ten.  

Can the Princess hang ten?  I wouldn’t put it past her.  

Heck, I’ve seen her hang five.  

Note bené, when I say I don’t believe in cells, I’m speaking ontologically.  When I look through a microscope, I do see things that look a lot like cells, empirically.  

Note bené, when looking through a microscope, I am Sophie dreaming that she is a chicken..... looking through a microscope.  


2.........

So, which came first..... essence or existence...... the Logos or the word.  

I would have to side with James Joyce..... the ten thunders came first.  

I would have to side with Bruce Chatwin........ the song came before the line.  

Did the best possible world just happen to come into existence?  

I find it hard to imagine that, rather early in the process, the BPW became a gleam in the eyes of the coCreators.  

How can communalism function without a Logos?  

In the beginning was the word............


3..........

Beethoven’s Fifth........?  Did it emerge fully formed, or was it created note by note?  

I suspect it was more the former.   Does this make me a Platonist?  

An immaterialist is not an idealist, but there are sympathies.  

The big thing with Nietzsche&co is that there is no survival.  

A personalist who doesn’t believe in survival is a humanist.  

Is the issue not that simple?  

Does the chicken believe in survival?  The goat?  

Any sort of altered state does strongly suggest survival.  

Unless I’m a card carrying Darwinian, I have to believe I came from somewhere.  

Unless I subscribe to strong AI, I have to believe in a je ne sais quoi.  

If I believe in any anomalous phenomena...... I believe OBEs, etc.....

If I believe in the irreducibility of consciousness......

If I believe in Goedel’s theorem.........

It’s not easy to not be a personalist.  

Heck, even smelly is a personalist.  

Can anyone prove that life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe?  

Science comes close...... but how close?  Too close for comfort, many would allege.  

I’ve noticed that most making that allegation have not studied mathematical physics..... nor do they claim to understand developmental biology or psychology.  These are folks who go about cursing the darkness.  

And what about metaphysics?  Is metaphysics a disease of language, as Wittgenstein once averred?  

One might also wonder if language would be possible without our metaphysical intuition.  

These questions also touch on the Wittgensteinian notion of a private language.  

The language of thought hypothesis (LOTH) also raises metaphysical issues.  

One can deny metaphysics, but it is considered to be an increasingly untenable position, as we venture further into a postmodernist culture.



(cont........)

Realization can come suddenly, it just takes a glimpse. What did he illustrate?

A special transmission outside the scriptures,
Not depending on words and letters;
Directly pointing to the mind,
Seeing into one’s true nature and attaining buddhahood.

Bodhi was following his will, as we all do, you can skip the supernatural explanations.

As to how free his will was, well, who the fuck cares?

He seemed to have very very strong, bending will.

Standing within where he pointed to brings the most amazing life.

The truth is, everyone who realizes this, immediately can see Bodhidharma.

There is no mystery.

This is what is happening.

It can tolerate your and my confusions.

I have a question for Dan- do you think it's appropriate to intimidate women while a guest in their home?

From the end of Seneca's Of Peace of Mind, http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Peace_of_Mind#XVII

Seneca wrote:There is a great difference between slackening your hold of a thing and letting it go.

Marcus' stoic philosophy in his Meditations points to an "I myself" philosophy. Meaning, for example, be grateful for wife and child, love them, but when they go or if you are to lose them, don't feel sadness because they were never yours to begin with.

Difficult to live as a sage it is in a world that feels so real and here.

I like incremental improvement from where you are myself, who really can live up to the ideal forms or being a sage?

For one who sees through themselves, the reality of persons and their own person is obvious.

It's stupid to argue illusion or real, you are happening, go with it.

Keep it simple, stick to what is obvious, don't add ultimate meanings or conclusions.

Buddha was understood to have said our idea of who we are is temporary.

We only really have the word of others mixed with their own prejudices and will.

Folks have hallucinations that they take as evidence of something more to being than we are normally aware, which I don't discount, but it is very difficult to face these visions.

I think all should face the visions.

How can that be inside of us?

It is quite an amazing world.

How anyone can ever refer to words in books to describe what is obvious is silly.

Like, it's kind of a cosmic joke.

This is interesting, https://www.iep.utm.edu/pudgalav/

People were warned to not try to define the issue of self or no-self by Buddha.

I agree.

The question of the self is unanswerable as I have said many many times.

We don't need answers to life, you are live, answered.

Why do we care about death?

Because we can't imagine this intense feeling of you passing away forever.

It doesn't make sense to us, so we invent causes and effects.

Jesus, this is the crux of why I write, we are better with no answers, and none can be solidly held or noted.

But Dan keeps trying to answer it and getting into the trouble it leads to.

Counter to our western training, intellectual speculation is not the way to gain understanding, it is a way to let our answers go.

This is such a hard reality for us.

It does not mean be mindless or ignore the obvious.

If you consider the self, you strengthen the image of the self.

"In this sense, the anatta teaching is not a doctrine of no-self, but a not-self strategy for shedding suffering by letting go of its cause, leading to the highest, undying happiness. At that point, questions of self, no-self, and not-self fall aside."

This is my experience ^^^^ and I realized it with no teaching, I led myself to the images of Buddha and Jesus and Lao partly and then let them go.

We have no independent existence, but there is always something in us ringing here and we are connected to all things around us. This is the middle way.

The middle floats between existence and non-existence and I think it just the most brillant realization.

Is consciousness Buddha nature/True Self, Big self and we are little self?

Can't be answered.

Who we are is this nature, we do not have this nature, we are this nature.

That's the shift right there.

Making an intense study of the self, leads to forgetting the self and then you no longer look at the world through the filter of a self.

We see it as ourselves.

Spend some time practicing Zen and your sense of self is greatly challenged, but not eliminated, this is raising Great Doubt.

You see that you are here and this is your nature.

You no longer carry around the self as something happening to you, you are this happening here.

Thats all I got and I need not a word to be.

It is fun to speculate, but I always end up back at the center, dancing around the point of the above, all the speculation just leads to being this here, acceptance.

Acceptance I have deduced is the common thread through the surge in our consciousness that occurred around 500 B.C.E.

One who can't accept the obvious continues to be deluded.

Acceptance is just staying with the initial feeling we have moving in the world and not adding to it using our imaginations.

Part of us woke up to the reality that the world isn't happening to us, we are this and it is simply our thoughts that confuse us.

Well, I know that did and does happen to me.

When you aren't tied to an outcome, the happening is so much more wonderfully terrifyingly real.

All of it is spontaneous.

This is what we are learning, why, I don't know, because this is the best way maybe.

It certainly has ended up being the best way for this smelly goat to accept the world and myself in it as I am.

And I share that here out of all the love I am aware of as I breathe love as air and drink love as water.

My words flow from love as my anger also flows from love.

I know it sounds unsatisfying to the conspiracy theory crowd who embody the illusory self searching for itself, haha, but I have been consistent none the less in accepting it as it happens.

I wonder what might happen and am always surprised when it does.

Garza, shut the fuck up for a second and ask Dan what I asked; is it appropriate to intimidate a woman while staying as a guest in her home? I'm livid with Dan right now.

GC,

You have my attention. What may I do for you?

GrandCru wrote:

Garza, shut the fuck up for a second and ask Dan what I asked; is it appropriate to intimidate a woman while staying as a guest in her home? I'm livid with Dan right now.

Haha, indeed.

I had been writing as you posted

Well, I don’t get livid at Dan, but if he pushed someone I know intimately around, I would prob be pissed about it.

I have heard that Dan can be...explosive.

Then again, I’ve observed him being very calm during an apparent stressful situation.

Dan takes all this business very personally it seems and he seems very serious about it

I’m known to get angry, so I can’t judge.

I usually just get some distance and breathe.

What gives Dan, you pushin people around?

You know better than to be mean to muppets I hope.

You have to be extra patient.

There are at least two Dan Smith's. One is meek and seemingly kind. The other viciously attacked my wife at 4:30 AM, pounding on her door, breaking into her bedroom, kicking, shoving, and slamming her back against the wall. By 5:00 AM he was meek and seemingly kind again, disavowing any responsibility for his actions.

I know that kind of anger.

It’s rage.

That’s the beast.

Well, we all just have to learn to vent it in a safe way.

Or perhaps he is a crack pot and needs help.

I know he puts up a good front, but he doesn’t think I can see him and feel him this close.

Oh, this is very personal.

But, my dad is a pedophile and I can’t let him around my kids or any kid.

So, you have to take precautions when dealing with unstable people.

Have I ever misbehaved? Have I ever been provoked? Chris and his wife were innocent bystanders. There were two very different incidents. I have no idea who GC is, or where he might come into any of this. And I’m sure there have been other incidents. Virtually everything has been blogged.

I remember that I broke the toenail of the Princess, with my shin. I learned that in karate. Slamming..... I’m slightly dubious.

In the end, it’s one big happy family.

any shred of respect I had for you is gone Dan. You are a toxic person. I will not mourn your loss as you sink into the abyss.

Garza- we are all unstable, resume your normal programming.

True GC.

But don’t be too hard anyone.

We all fuck up.

If one is willing to face their fuck ups, I say give em a chance.

Perhaps you should stop biting people Dan.

You know what happens to ole dogs who don’t stop biting.

I’m sorry to hear about Dan and the Princess.

I wasn’t there so I won’t comment other than to say I hope it can all be sorted out in time.

I still stand with foot in agreeing that there is light ahead if shortcuts and distractions can be avoided.

I still have hope for a brighter future with a more unified vision.

I have run away from home many times and have not been honest with myself and others.

May we all be wise enough to learn from our mistakes and move on.

Hind sight is 2020.

If GC knew half the story or even a quarter of the story, we could pay him more heed.

He is taking pot shots from behind a tree.  He might at least want to review the relevant blog posts.  Just the dates would provide some insight.  Otherwise, GC is welcome to return to his burrow.


Ack,

Me..... intimidate the Princess?  

Now, there is a novel idea, as you should well know.  

I am duly intimidated by 3.5.  

It is my job to be twisting in the breeze.



(cont........)

The incident GC is speaking of took place some time ago.

I believe it has all been resolved now that Dan no longer poses any risks to Kashmir.

I believe foot has since taken measures to protect the little Princess from the chicken.

Wait one minute, Ack........

Now it’s you and foot who are defending the Princess against chicken little.  

You intentions are pure, even if a bit misguided.....

At least GC, if he is who I think he is, is intimately acquainted with each of us, including Chris.  And I encourage all concerned to put forward their understandings, so that we might get a more complete picture, as best we can, from outside of the Hive.

We should know by now that we’re all on the same team.  

With a bit more understanding, we know that the Hive is in us, and we’re in the Hive.  This is cosmology 2.1.  

Knowing the personal side of cosmology is half the game...... no.  It’s the whole game.  


1:15/ft/gmt-3..........

Somewhere, above, I think smelly compared the Princess with a muppet.  I could think of no greater misunderstanding.

I am the Princess’ muppet.  I am not worthy to kiss her feet, understand.  

But, back to business, if we may.........

In the End, there are no muppets, of course....... we are but actors strutting the stage.  

Persona derives from the mask worn by actors.  

So we are the masks of God, hiding from ourselves.  



(cont.......)

No, I don’t know her, so I can’t comment, likely she is a muppet

It is a world of masks.

Masks chasing themselves.

You are worthy Dan.

All of us are.

Don’t ever bow.

Stand, eye to eye.

Poor smelly,  

He has no clue as to cosmic chivalry.


4:20..........

Many existentialists call themselves atheists, but to be an impersonal existentialist would be an oxymoron.  

Personalism comes down smack dab in the middle between theism and atheism.  

What personalists can’t deny is a Source.  

Doesn’t Source = Creator?  

Not really.  Creation is a team effort.

We, coCreators, extract ourselves from the Source.  

Yes, the extractors rule the roost down here, until they don’t.  

About now, the extractors are running on fumes.  

They know that it’s time for her to come back, and they’re p*ssed.  


6.......

Does there have to be a template?  

Could personhood have had more or less features?  

I’ve not asked myself this question before.  

Is it a sensible question?  

Are we missing something? What might we get along without?  

AI folks talk about the problem of general intelligence.  

There are many kinds of special agents.  

But no one has a definition for general intelligence.  The problem has not even been defined.  


7........

Personalists can and should celebrate the lack of definition of personhood.  

I just spent a couple of hours chasing the concept of personhood around Wikipedia.  It touches upon every philosophical problem.  The contours are fuzzy, indeed.  

This fuzziness is to be celebrated.  

It leads one to the notion of the universality of personhood.

Poor Buddha was unable to decide between atta and anatta.  

Poor.......?  The Eastern problem...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatman_(Hinduism)#Advaita_concept_of_Anātman  should also be celebrated....... the self is so lacking in definition that one is tempted to posit its nonexistence.  

Nagarjuna, a foundational teacher in the Mahayana school, provides a repository for the problem of the Self...... avoiding the extremes of substantivism and nominalism.  

The doctrine of Sunyata is often mistaken as the way of emptiness, but rather is posited to point to a middle way between self and not self.  

Sunyata is the key element of Buddha-nature...... it is where emptiness entangles with lucidity/luminosity.  I’m just glad I’m not a programmer grappling with sunyata.  


8:15.........

Luminous mind is the primordial/pure state of mind that smelly points us to.  

It is, perhaps, the principal aspect of the Source, and is how we identify with the Source.  

In Dzogchen, luminous mind also translates as eternal/shining Presence.  In other words, it is an intransitive verb.  It is pure Being, if you will.  

It is the core of personal existence...... objectless and ultimately subjectless.   This is our closest approach to the Source..... to cosmic potency.  It is an empty fullness and a full emptiness.  It is the pleroma...... neither here nor there...... the eternal now.  

And how does luminous mind translate to eschatology?  

Does one subsume the other?  

Luminous mind is the ground of any Disclosure.  

And how do portals relate to this luminosity?  


12...........

Ack sends me a link to Ron Mallett, a physicist who does theoretical work on closed timelike curves (CTCs) and portals.  He has recently garnered considerable media attention.  


1.........

Mallett presents an interesting case for us examine...... I don’t believe in physics, but I do believe in CTCs.

What is going on?



(cont.......)

I AM no ist or ism.

If you are content to box yourself in as such, go for it.

If you need all your army men to line up, then line them up.

Then knock em down.

It’s fun to watch.

Dan you say you regret it, but it's a pattern.

I can tell you the feelings of the issue you created being behind everyone is entirely one sided.

You're scared of the orbs? They are spirits? Our dead? Dead from everywhere? Dogs, cats, dog people.

How about plasma clouds?

A TTSA board member has been quoted as saying there are "orders of beings".

Probably 9 to be precise. 144,000 is a number I remember being thrown around in this blog. Still a significant figure?

GC,

Occasionally my chicken job becomes stressful.  I needed an escape valve.  I had in mind a visit to Diana.  Chris, knew better, and interposed himself.  My desperation became manifest.  

Nonetheless, Chris did show me a good time around Fayetteville.  

Orbs.......?  I don’t seek out their company.  My only orb experience was in the company of the Princess.   I refer to it as Tinkerbell.  

144 thousand and 144 million are number of persons I associate with the Alpha and Omega, respectively.  The total numbers associated with the twelve megalithic/megalopic centers, respectively...... the portals at the beginning and end of our history....... understanding that history is a closed timelike curve, with a ‘spark’ gap....... Omega >> Alpha.  



I’ve spent time, this morning, searching for the impersonal, as touted by some mystics.

I don’t find anything that might stand as a threat to the personal monism of the BPW.  

Basically we have luminous mind, the ground of being, cosmic potency, etc......   These aspects may not be warm and fuzzy, but they aren’t alien either.  This is where mystics find their comfort.  This grounding may be brought back into our more normal lives, to the benefit of all.  


3:20..........

An often touted aspect of the impersonal is the infinite.  Ein Sof means the infinite one...... the apophatic ground of the I Am.  

I believe in a qualitative infinity, but not quantitative.  

How about selfless love, agape as an ultimate aspect of existence?  

This is where personalism is likely to defeat impersonalism  



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