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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:53 am

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    Ok, 99,

    I think we can safely say that, in this past month, we have come close enough to Disclosure, for all practical purposes.  

    You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist, and I’ve told this story a few times, already, but it won’t hurt to tell it again.......

    A mathematician and a physicist walk into a bar, and sit on both sides of a very attractive woman.  The mathematician can only ever get halfway closer to the woman, but the physicist can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

    Think of the physicist as Donald Trump, and think of the Boys on the Bus.  

    Donald Trump will be known as the Disclosure President, for having helped to orchestrate what has transpired in the past month, not the least of which was chicken little realizing that, very likely, he was Visitor #1.  

    Will any self respecting ufologist feel satisfied with this, Sonfish, version of Disclosure?  I would seriously doubt it.  However, will any competent historian ever come up with a better peg for Revelation?  I would seriously doubt it.  

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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:38 pm

    Here's a Twitter announcement from TTSA earlier today. Like Dolan, T.D. is saying that something big is coming up too. 

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    I've always been a big Vallee fan and I think the gov't will announce information that will support his hypothesis. 


    "According to Vallee, his hypothesis (IDH) "is not necessarily an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) seeing as the two hypotheses are not mutually exclusive so both could be true simultaneously. 


    IDH also holds that UFOs are a modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout recorded human history, which in prior ages were ascribed to mythological or supernatural creatures" 
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:53 pm

    Luckily it doesn’t matter what is bad or good.

    I wouldn’t take anyone’s word on any of it.

    Oh my.

    It really doesn’t matter.

    If we were all like Walt Whitman there would be no suicide or even any deep conservation with our being.

    Consider that what is escalating is a collective conversation with the mystery at the heart of each of us.

    This is very satisfying to me.

    I give a deep nod and breath to it all.

    This is about Being.

    Religious people know their being, but they project idols all over it and cover it up.

    They don’t feel worthy to meet themselves.

    A tragedy.

    And a comedy.

    Disclosure makes me feel poetic, feel the tide of being lapping at our feet.

    Always there is the tormentor tormenting us.

    I know how to deal with that.

    Double down on just being this and stare at it straight on.

    “The City is of Night, but not of Sleep;
    There sweet sleep is not for the weary brain;
    The pitiless hours like years and ages creep,
    A night seems termless hell. This dreadful strain
    Of thought and consciousness which never ceases,
    Or which some moments’ stupor but increases,
    This, worse than woe, makes wretches there insane.

    They are most rational and yet insane:
    And outward madness not to be controlled;
    A perfect reason in the central brain,
    Which has no power, but sitteth wan and cold,
    And sees the madness, and foresees as plainly
    The ruin in its path, and trieth vainly
    To cheat itself refusing to behold.

    There is no God; no fiend with names divine
    Made us and tortures us; if we must pine,
    It is to satiate no Being’s gall.

    Wherever men are gathered, all the air
    Is charged with human feeling, human thought;
    Each shout and cry and laugh, each curse and prayer,
    Are into its vibrations surely wrought;
    Unspoken passion, wordless meditation,
    Are breathed into it with our respiration
    It is with our life fraught and overfraught.

    So that no man there breathes earth’s simple breath,
    As if alone on mountains or wide seas;
    But nourishes warm life or hastens death
    With joys and sorrows, health and foul disease,
    Wisdom and folly, good and evil labours,
    Incessant of his multitudinous neighbors
    He in his turn affecting all of these.

    That City’s atmosphere is dark and dense,
    Although not many exiles wander there,
    With many a potent evil influence,
    Each adding poison to the poisoned air;
    Infections of unutterable sadness,
    Infections of incalculable madness,
    Infections of incurable despair.”

    —James Thomson, The City of Dreadful Night (1874)

    And this guy didn’t even live in the 20th century.

    We, the People, have Prevailed...

    ...over our own ignorance.

    The evil is needed
    As well as the sweet good
    To bring us into contact
    With the burning sun within us all
    While I may be it’s shadow
    It has touched me
    I have let my self be touched
    And blossomed where I stand
    What meaning in it is mine
    An interesting time to be alive
    And a curse
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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:13 pm

    I'm concerned about my family. Most are Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians. They'll put up a brave face when Full Disclosure arrives but I know that underneath that charade, they are going to be shaken to the core.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:48 pm

    There aren't many of us yet 99, but I think a wave is coming.

    I have my galoshes on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:45 pm

    Something tells me, given our history together, that just the ones who should, will show up.

    If they scoff and leave, seeds might be planted.

    Seeds of doubt and scorn and skepticism I hope.

    I know Dan is the Antichrist.

    I’ll play Lucifer any day.

    I understand the role of the goat in that I don’t understand anything really.

    We don’t want people eating out of our hands.

    People may shatter, hard or gentle as needed.

    I hope are the wrong words.

    I am here.

    I don’t think they need to hear about gods.

    Dan may yet part ways with me over my anarchism.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4C7YAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA313&lpg=PA313

    I enjoy reading the old Theosophical stuff.

    https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/download/Lucifer_10772398.pdf

    Here’s the thing, these Theosophists tried harder than maybe most to bring peace to the world.

    They lost their way perhaps, but damn, they dreamt big.

    We are partly living in theirs and the Golden Dawn’s and many others’ dream partly.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:32 pm

    Until you are strong enough to look after yourself, you can easily be deceived by the parlor tricks.

    Beware of lights in the sky, stoke the light inside.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:47 pm

    One step at a time.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:00 pm

    I had a thought about a long line of people holding hands and I thought, we are holding hands on OMF, and it extends into so many other places.

    You have to grab one hand at a time here.

    We are a very very verrrrry small filter perhaps, but filter we are.

    We taste the wind.

    We smell the ground.

    We speak from our hearts.

    We listen to the skies.

    Do we know the future?

    Not in my world, but perhaps in another person’s, who knows.

    The future doesn’t worry me.

    I don’t live there.

    We live here.
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    Post by U Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:40 pm

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    Look at this fucking beauty!

    10/10

    5 Stars!
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    Post by U Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:56 am

    Ack wrote:CS,

    See! We best bring some apples with us....off into the sunset.

    Will the horses eat them all up before we reach the west of Westeros?

    Time will tell...

    One might ask themselves what is west of Westeros?

    The answer is simple...Westereros.

    Wrong again, you Philistine!

    Either Ulthos or east Essos!

    Ever read a book before!?
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    Post by 99 Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:36 am

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt”
    ― Carl Gustav Jung

    The above quote fits you to a tee smelly wrt your strident Anti-Christian POV.  Especially when you go into your militant over-the-top goat mode like you are now.

    But I’m willing to bet that someday when you’re on your death bed, your last words will be “Jesus, have mercy on me”.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:59 am

    Did someone let the Catfish out of the bag? ;-) "Sarge" told me sometime around 1983 the Air Force was "working" with the aliens on a secret project, but then again I think "Sarge" was probably paranoid.

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    Post by dan Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:59 am

    99,

    Yes, smelly is a fanatical anarchist......... but he can hardly hold his own with the Antichrist.  

    I do think that the Interdimensional hypothesis (IDH/UTH) does obviate the ETH.  There is no point in using rocket ships, when you can use portals.  

    Furthermore, the IDH strongly supports immaterialism, and immaterialism is nearly synonymous with personalism.  

    Some naively suggest that the multiverse hypothesis supports the IDH. This is faulty logic. It is a mere sop to the ETHers.

    And, 99, are the various religions going to be seriously perturbed by the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH)? Not nearly as much as the scientists will be perturbed.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:25 am

    99 wrote:“Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt”
    ― Carl Gustav Jung

    The above quote fits you to a tee smelly wrt your strident Anti-Christian POV.  Especially when you go into your militant over-the-top goat mode like you are now.

    But I’m willing to bet that someday when you’re on your death bed, your last words will be “Jesus, have mercy on me”.

    Naaaa

    You and your friends are the fanatics.

    I’m just watching, posting poetry and existentialist nonsense.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:26 am

    dan wrote:99,

    Yes, smelly is a fanatical anarchist......... but he can hardly hold his own with the Antichrist.  

    I do think that the Interdimensional hypothesis (IDH/UTH) does obviate the ETH.  There is no point in using rocket ships, when you can use portals.  

    Furthermore, the IDH strongly supports immaterialism, and immaterialism is nearly synonymous with personalism.  

    Some naively suggest that the multiverse hypothesis supports the IDH.  This is faulty logic.  It is a mere sop to the ETHers.  

    And, 99, are the various religions going to be seriously perturbed by the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH)?  Not nearly as much as the scientists will be perturbed.  



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    I kicked the antichrist’s ass.

    You know it.

    I know it.

    They are all saying it Wink

    Did you see that smelly goat kick that ole man’s ass?!
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    99, and on your death bed, you will say...

    My god, my god...

    Why have you forsaken me?!

    And then as you drift off, you will hear the smelly goat bleat and maybe even smell him.

    Not a bad way to go.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:00 am

    clown


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:42 am

    Hehe

    Haha

    Hoho

    I don’t know nuthin bout nuthin.
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    Post by SurfBum Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:56 am

    clown


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    Post by whoknows Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:14 am

    Dan wrote:Some naively suggest that the multiverse hypothesis supports the IDH. This is faulty logic. It is a mere sop to the ETHers.

    Hmm Suspect



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    Nope, I got nuthin.
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    Only don't know.


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    Post by hobbit Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:27 am

    http://www.cropredy375.uk/

    Just been chatting with king Charles the 1st.

    Our house was here when the battle took place, nice of Him to drop by again?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:10 pm

    Ack wrote:haha

    superposition

    The whole world is a single flower.

    This book has 256 pages.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BPE416O/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

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    And I basically said nothing the whole time Wink

    Not bad, eh?!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:31 pm

    Slacking towards Bethlehem in my robe and slippers.

    Sippin my beers and white russians and Manhattans.

    The smelly goat makes a divine Manhattan.

    We drink them non-stop in Heaven and we still get fat.

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