Yes, 99, we have Disclosure......

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Ok, 99,

I think we can safely say that, in this past month, we have come close enough to Disclosure, for all practical purposes.  

You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist, and I’ve told this story a few times, already, but it won’t hurt to tell it again.......

A mathematician and a physicist walk into a bar, and sit on both sides of a very attractive woman.  The mathematician can only ever get halfway closer to the woman, but the physicist can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

Think of the physicist as Donald Trump, and think of the Boys on the Bus.  

Donald Trump will be known as the Disclosure President, for having helped to orchestrate what has transpired in the past month, not the least of which was chicken little realizing that, very likely, he was Visitor #1.  

Will any self respecting ufologist feel satisfied with this, Sonfish, version of Disclosure?  I would seriously doubt it.  However, will any competent historian ever come up with a better peg for Revelation?  I would seriously doubt it.  

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Thank you everyone for trying to keep AR on board.  

Many folks have qualms about the notion of best possible, particularly when describing a world.  

Best possible for whom, we might wonder.......?  

Individuals might very likely disagree on this matter.  

And what about sentience v sapience...... how are we to weight the various preferences, etc....?  

Things become very complicated and abstract...... absurdly so.  

Maybe we should just leave bad enough alone...... lest we make it worse, or if we provide more reasons for folks to complain.  



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Consider...if you didn’t think or react to thinking, your body would guide you to what it needs.

This is not indifference.

What is thinking?

But then we run into mind trying to look at mind which is only mind.

A six sided rubber room in 3D.

What a strange place we find ourselves in, but yet, very familiar.

To find the good thinkers, everyone is allowed to try to think and talk.

But most are simply horrible horrible thinkers and talkers.

We have memory and instincts to allow an explore and live in the surroundings.

How much thinking needs to be involved?

And we have virtue perhaps to keep our emotions in check long enough to play out our thinking.

A few have observed and said the sage does not think.

This is a riddle.

Most will not try to penetrate the words.

They will think about it.

But here, you can immediately see through them.

So most give up or slough off when encountering resistance.

I am suspicious of the common thinker and my own thinking still at times.

I can give Dan some kudos here because he is a fine thinker.

I don’t agree with any conclusions.

I don’t know I’m as good a thinker.

I don’t go too deep with thought.

I’ve been down there.

I stay close to the surface and play with the ripples.

I have long boughts of deep no thinking and then BAM, you feel the web vibrate.

I share fewer and fewer of these moments outside my own mind.

Dan could easily find a similar experience being here with little or no thinking.

This is simply ground.

The thoughts will come and they aren’t problems.

The problems seem to arise when we attach to them forgetting ground.

Dan is fairly aware of ground.

Anyway, what to think, nothing.

What to really say about it, nothing.

There is no Magick combination of words.

No rewards or punishments outside the ones we inflict on ourselves.

There is just contraction and relaxing.

Breathing in and out.

Heart pumping in and out.

Rain falling and rising.

Seasons coming and going.

You feel it, cycle with it, which leads to relaxing.

Your heart opens up under the right conditions.

And then you can feel the depth and height and pressure.

When you sync to the cycles in your life, your mind opens up, curiosity arises.

Feet and hands move.

We are involved in so many connected cycles we aren’t aware of.

When things go out of balance, then we seem to then have to think or can think about it and evolve.

But only just enough to keep the plate of milk spinning.

It can all crash down at any moment.

But it doesn’t.

You can spin more and more plates faster and faster.

Nima calls this the 10th level of intelligence, whatever that is.

Also called Level 3 thinking.

Just been catching up on all the developments on this new thread.

Seems I have missed a lot.. disclosure, been and gone... autopsy's and all..

Maybe like most things in Northern Ireland, it takes a while for us to catch up ..

Will check out the videos

Oh well, glad that everyone is still here

Hobbit said a bus trip? where you all going? Or was it a GtM?


Smelly, you said Mars? Did Potus give you a free ticket for a seat?

Only news I have is I ordered Barfield's book today

smelly wrote:**BURP**

Let’s not kill ourselves.

We all have our views on these topics or none.

I am watching the Lazar documentary this morning.

I find him believable and almost unprovable.

It is interesting when they deleted his history and Lazar was still in the Los Alamos phone book and noted as a physicist at Alamos in the newspaper.

He also has awesome science toys too

Interesting.

Well, now that those leaks came out, I'm finding Lazar's story much more interesting Watched him in that recent Joe Rogan interview.

smelly, 

If you have a link to Nima, that would help.   


Scott, 

Yes, do check out Owen B.  

And, yes, Disclosure already came and went.  How did you like it?  



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dan wrote:


Scott, 

Yes, do check out Owen B.  

And, yes, Disclosure already came and went.  How did you like it?  



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Thanks Dan,

Yes looking forward to it. Waiting on the Owen B book to arrive.

As for disclosure, I guess it was ok from my perspective.

You where right (as usual) smooth sailing it seems ..

I still haven't watched the two videos everyone seems to be talking about..

Hope to get a look at them in the next day or two.

Hope your trip is going well

Ack, 

I guess I forgot to tell you...... I’m writing that book right here.  You are the coauthor.  


Scott, 

Yes, this WoM/MoAPS is just what the doctor ordered.  

The weather here is NS is great.   
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Now, back to smelly’s problem....... smelly is our problem El Niño.  

His biggest problem is that he has no problem.  



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I'm just saying, Dan should be next on the The Rogan Experience. I'm sure it will go well

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Dan,

Glad to hear you having a good trip and the weather nice


Ack,

Yours, Dan's et all book seems to be going fantastic

I'm sure someone will be seeking the rights to make a movie when its done.

I wonder who will play the Smelly goat?

I watched Joe with Jones.  That was interesting.  They got into conspiracies.  

I can do that, too. 

smelly has raised the issue of Being and the ground of Being......


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Ack,

I think we’re sticking with three faces, for now.........


But let’s get back to Being and its Ground........

Tillich spoke of God as the ground of Being. I don’t like that too much.

It’s not sufficiently personal.



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As I logged on today I came across an article that took me back.

I hadn't thought of, Raymond Smullyan in a long time, and was suddenly reminded of something that was making a big splash back in the 70's.

I know this must have been posted here before. But what the heck.

http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/godTaoist.html

No problemos!

I just think being requires little to no thinking

My brain is stepping out of the way.

It has realized what it is.

Thus, being based on thinking is the ultimate delusion, the real fun.

That’s just what happens.

It’s not a problem.

It just means you don’t have to worry about anything.

Enjoy.

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No time to tell. Drank from the well. Far beyond he heard the bell. Minke whale must say farewell. Others will remain in hell. Few who knew will hear them yell.

Hmmm......... speaking of the devil.......

Foot always was a bit of a dualist.  I did drink from the well, however.   He got me on that one.  

Minke.......?  I have no idea.
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I’ve always supposed that the unconscious was the ground of Being.  I think of the unconscious as being similar to the cosmic Potentia/potency...... logically, before Being, was the potential for Being.  

This is my answer to why there is something, rather than nothing.  

Yes, the Garden of Eden was our cosmic womb..... before Beta/ego consciousness. smelly wants to go back to Mommy. Most of us do. But we cannot, not until we graduate from ego consciousness.

smelly is cheating, and he won’t get away with it.



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I enjoy talking to trees.

And it is very likely thinking itself is the evil painful act.

We all know this.

We can know ourselves here.

And when you do, we are being here, as opposed to just existing.

I can speak for this awareness, we all can, anytime.

It is not that you are the Omniscient god, you realize the cycles are moving you and that you are part of those cycles.

This reduces the Me aspect and leaves you simply with what is always true about your awareness.

You see nothing demands your belief, things demand your attention by appearing.

So what is appearing?

Here we have to work with what is.

It’s too easy for the mind to try to use will to it’s ends.

It seems to be my great adversary.

I see it as a monstrous shadow.

It can’t touch me, only scare me.

What happens to my body doesn’t matter.

What smelly doesn’t quite get is that it’s not enough just to know our individual selves.......

We must also know our interpersonal selves.  

This is the true Gnosis.  smelly’s gnosis is the false, demiurgic gnosis.  

We can only know ourselves, finally, as one with God.

Even the Princess may not quite understand this.  

Anyone who does not understand, qualifies as a pagan or materialist.  

Paganism and tribalism go hand in hand.  smelly would have us go back to tribalism.  Owen Barfield points the way forward.  

Isn’t this right, Ack?  


3:10......

smelly thinks he can provoke me with name calling.......

El Niño is shaking his rattle at me....... he wants to come out and play with the Big boys.  You’re not quite ready for the big time, smelly.  Be patient.  


The ground of Being is only quasi personal. It’s certainly not nothing. The only thing that can’t exist is Nothing. Nothing is unobservable.

Nothing is the boogeymen in the closet. It plays in our imagination.

The womb is our experience of the impersonal....... but could anything possibly be more personal?



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Dan, a muppet to the end.

We are all entangled, who denies it?

He is a silly old fool isn’t he?

He pulls one of trumps tricks.

He accuses others of what he is.

Those who judge only judge themselves.

Sticks and stones.

The monstrous shadow speaks through his toothless mouth.

That’s what happens here.

Shrug.

You wanted to meet god, no, just be here.

Which is implicitly interpersonal.

Dan doesn’t know this distracted by his mind.

Just talk to a tree, you’ll get it grandpa.

Nothing can’t exist.

Warmer.

Here we mix with the eternity it’s not a problem.