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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:53 am

    Ok, 99,

    I think we can safely say that, in this past month, we have come close enough to Disclosure, for all practical purposes.  

    You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist, and I’ve told this story a few times, already, but it won’t hurt to tell it again.......

    A mathematician and a physicist walk into a bar, and sit on both sides of a very attractive woman.  The mathematician can only ever get halfway closer to the woman, but the physicist can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

    Think of the physicist as Donald Trump, and think of the Boys on the Bus.  

    Donald Trump will be known as the Disclosure President, for having helped to orchestrate what has transpired in the past month, not the least of which was chicken little realizing that, very likely, he was Visitor #1.  

    Will any self respecting ufologist feel satisfied with this, Sonfish, version of Disclosure?  I would seriously doubt it.  However, will any competent historian ever come up with a better peg for Revelation?  I would seriously doubt it.  

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    Post by dan Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:07 am

    I just never believed that Donald could be quite this clever, or be able to take such a long-range view of Disclosure.  

    Yes, Donald, the little devil that he is, has stolen the Disclosure issue, right out from under the noses of the Democrats, not to mention from the poor little chicken, and never even ruffled a feather of his dear little deplorables.  

    It just about makes you want to cry.

    And here I was, thinking I was going to be able to steal Donny’s deplorables....... silly me!  And it was only 30 months ago, that I was going to be Donald’s biggest problem.  Guess who fooled chicken little, and all I ever had to do was act natural?

    And, hey, sports fans, I don’t even get to have the ‘chicken little’ T shirt!

    And, yes, 99, life does go on...... folks just keep marryin’ and buryin’......


    11:30..........

    I get thrown under the Bus and Donald gets to stay on the bus.  

    Well, I guess it could have been worse.  

    See, 99, you are thinking about Classical Disclosure.  I, on the other hand, am thinking about Quantum Disclosure....... yes, Virginia, the photon goes through both slits simultaneously....... you can have Disclosure and non-Disclosure at the same time.  

    And, yes, Quantum Disclosure is the best possible Disclosure....... it’s called Chicken Little’s Principle of the Best/Least Possible Disclosure...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_action  
    Scholars often credit Pierre Louis Maupertuis for formulating the principle of least action because he wrote about it in 1744 and 1746. However, Leonhard Euler discussed the principle in 1744, and evidence shows that Gottfried Leibniz preceded both by 39 years.
    Gottfried, my hero........

    I wonder if Donald has ever heard of Gottfried.  I wonder if he ever will?  

    But all that Donald has to do is act natural, and according to Jurgen Ziewe, he’ll even get to build casinos on the other side.  


    10:50........

    I continue to be impressed with Vistas of Infinity. It strikes me as rather authentic. This is what Disclosure should be about. It is all very non threatening. I hope that Doug can read it. He is mostly too busy to be able to afford us with much attention. Ack might have had an interesting bit of interaction. But life moves on quickly...... doesn’t it? How quickly Disclosure can pass right through us. One minute it’s there, and the next minute it’s way behind us...... brave new world. I can see why Donald is the president, and I’m not. I’m just the one trick pony. He can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. I hope that smelly is nice to me. smelly should read Vistas.



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    Post by dan Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:14 am

    So, yes, sports fans, I hope that enjoyed Disclosure.  

    If Donald ever gets one thing right, it would be this..... with a little help from George.  

    I don’t believe in ufos, either....... certainly not as popularly conceived.  

    This personal interview capped off Disclosure month.  

    Everything after this month, and this interview will be an anti climax on this front.  

    It’s been a bit over two months since my last contact with R&A.  It’s been less than a month since the NYT’s second Nimitz story.  The third item for this month was the release of the Wilson/Davis 2002 interview notes.  The decision was made for donny to preempt the news cycle on the ufo story....... without lending undue credibility to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH).  

    The UTH will be receiving more attention, as the back story.  The story is about consciousness, not about hubcaps in the desert.  

    Also is the fact that three Aviary holdovers remain front and center...... Hal, Ron and Kit.  

    The Aviary has always been closely associated with the paranormal and the parapsychological.  

    The whole TTSA/Nimitz story has been mainly a diversionary tactic, in my chicken little way of thinking.  


    11:50..........

    We need to get into the heads of ‘mj12’..........

    There is a very big difference between the two possible Disclosure scenarios...... ETH v UTH.

    Either way, however, end point of Disclosure would be the Visitors.

    Both the President and Ron have acted blasé about the whole thing.

    They are both acting like the cat which has swallowed the canary.



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    Post by @awestruckt Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:04 am

    WOW! I agree with Dan that Trump is a secret genius. I always thought he was comically inarticulate, and that may be but he is apparently a master of hidden meanings. Parse his words carefully:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: …we're reading more and more reports of Navy pilots seeing lots and lots of UFOs. Have you been briefed on that? What do you make of it?"

    TRUMP: "...Do I believe it? Not particularly."

    TRANSLATION: they are not “unidentified”. We know what/who they are. Possibly because they are a deep black back-engineered craft, or because we know their origins.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think you’d know if there were evidence of extraterrestrials?

    TRUMP: Well, I think my great pilots-- our great pilots would know. And some of them really see things that are a little bit different than in the past, so we’re going to see, but we’ll watch it. You’ll be the first to know.

    TRANSLATION: ETs exist. The pilots (e.g. Fravor et al.) have publicly stated that these things are not of this world, and Trump is saying our great pilots would know.
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    Post by dan Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:33 am

    Please, @a,

    ........ try to keep up with the BPW lingo....... we speak of the Visitors as UTs.  This is an absolutely crucial distinction....... yes?
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    Post by @awestruckt Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:59 am

    Agreed Dan. I was being imprecise based on Stephanopolis' phrasing of the question. But yes essentially he was confirming that the visitors exist. And in the BPW the visitors are UTs.
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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:48 pm

    According to Brad Steiger  who is a proponent of Vallee and Keel's IDH, "we are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon that is largely indigenous to planet Earth". (wiki)


    John Keel is the one who came up with the term Ultraterrestrials (UT).


    "One advantage of IDH proffered by Hilary Evans is its ability to explain the apparent ability of UFOs to appear and disappear from sight and radar; this is explained as the UFO entering and leaving our dimension ("materializing" and "dematerializing"). Moreover, Evans argues that if the other dimension is slightly more advanced than ours, or is our own future, this would explain the UFOs' tendency to represent near future technologies (airships in the 1890s, rockets and supersonic travel in the 1940s, etc.)."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis

    The interdimensional hypothesis (IDH or IH), is an idea advanced by Ufologists such as Jacques Vallée that says unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and related events involve visitations from other "realities" or "dimensions" that coexist separately alongside our own. It is not necessarily an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) seeing as the two hypotheses are not mutually exclusive so both could be true simultaneously. IDH also holds that UFOs are a modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout recorded human history, which in prior ages were ascribed to mythological or supernatural creatures.[1]
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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:01 pm

    See, 99, you are thinking about Classical Disclosure.  I, on the other hand, am thinking about Quantum Disclosure ~ dan

    NO Dan.
    That couldn't be further from the truth because as a Vallee adherent I side with what you are calling Quantum Disclosure due to the multidimensional aspects of the phenomenon. Multidimensional includes our own physical dimension too, btw. 
    Inherent within the IDH is that the phenomenon can be PARAPHYSICAL too. 


    But regardless that people like Dolan and others are coming from the Classical Physics/nuts and bolts stance rather than the IDH stance, it's still, in a general sense, UFO Disclosure nonetheless. 


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    Post by 99 Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:19 pm

    You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist ~ dan


    NO Dan.... that statement is false... I am not the mathematician.... I am the Quantum physicist. 
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    Post by Alien Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:21 pm

    Boy people are taking this hook, line and sinker straight to the bottom!
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    Post by dan Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:40 pm

    Do you have a problem with that?
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    Post by Alien Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:47 pm

    dan wrote:Do you have a problem with that?  

    No not really if there was something to it....And you want to get smart about it..We know UFOs exist, but what is yet to be proven is that they are of alien origin...They can admit they exist but they have not shown any proof they are some kind of alien craft.

    I do not see this as some kind of disclosure at least not the type disclosure that UFO followers would like to see...
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    Post by dan Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:55 pm

    Don’t be stupid AP....... what do you care who sent them.  

    Ultimately it’s either God or Satan, and if you believe in Satan, you are dumber than you look.

    You should spend less time worrying about the deplorables, and more time worrying about yourself.
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    Post by Alien Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:03 pm

    dan wrote:Don’t be stupid AP....... what do you care who sent them.  

    Ultimately it’s either God or Satan, and if you believe in Satan, you are dumber than you look.

    You should spend less time worrying about the deplorables, and more time worrying about yourself.  

    Don’t be stupid AP....... what do you care who sent them.  

    Did I say anyone sent them? Nope.

    You should spend less time worrying about the deplorables, and more time worrying about yourself.

    If it's one thing I do not worry about it's government or what the hell it's doing because we cannot stop it anyway.

    Ultimately it’s either God or Satan, and if you believe in Satan, you are dumber than you look.

    Sorry I do not believe in neither one of those mythological deities..And what do they have to do with UFOs? You telling me UFOs are sent by a god or a devil?
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    Very good, they are all myths.

    All the stories printed...myths.

    But there is a place for myth in reality because it’s here.

    Room for us and the deplorables as well.

    Nothing could be unreal we know actually.

    There is room for light to appear to be divided.

    There is the possibilities of shadows.

    There are no sides or any battle.

    Just the appearances of such.

    It’s just a show.

    Best to not take any of it seriously really.

    Because then, absurdly, we all will disappear too.
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    Post by Alien Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:23 pm

    What are you saying Riddler?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:34 pm

    I’ve never said anything meaningful.

    We are the meaning being this.

    Who do we think we are?

    I certainly am not sure of anything.

    Anyone can tell themselves anything and believe it.

    "Are you yourself or another?

    Whose life do you live, to whom are you responsible, who is your master? Shall we ban cigarettes because they make Mrs. Grundy cough; hang lumber dealers because Christ was crucified, and rend Edison because Johnny was electrocuted? Does it kill mother when you stay out until one? Is hubby so dreadfully hurt over that flirtation, and wifey in tears about the blonde? This is a subtle device of the slave master—“do what I say or I’ll feel badly.”

    EXPRESS YOURSELF: Live your own life—follow your own star.."

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    Post by dan Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:11 am

    Alright, where are we with Disclosure......?  

    Just in the last month, a threshold has been passed with three significant events......

    1.)  the second Nimitz release

    2.)  the release of the Wilson/Davis meeting notes, taken in 2002

    3.)  the Stephanopoulos interview of Donald Trump, touching on the Nimitz story.  

    Yesterday, I had a lengthy conversation with my skeptical Source B.  He is not skeptical about the phenomenon itself, but rather that we have reached a point of no return, with regard to Disclosure.  

    My claim is that we have....... that the gears have, unmistakably, been set in motion, relative to the unfolding of the final chapter of our best possible Metanarrative.  

    Mr B is saying that Disclosure can, and probably will, be put back on the shelf, indefinitely.  

    There is a sense in which Mr B is correct......

    The Metanarrative is personal.  Persons can be recalcitrant.  

    In my understanding, the continued unfolding of the entire Metanarrative, hinges upon the cooperation of Ms A, who has already signaled her disinterest in cooperation, and, in the process, has disavowed me, among other things.

    So, yes, it would certainly be possible to reverse course...... especially at this crucial bottleneck in the process.  

    I am doubtful, however, that this will happen.  It wouldn’t make any sense.  

    Does anything have to make sense?  Of course, not.  

    However, things can and do make sense.  That is the entire premise of the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH)...... that, as coCreators, we have the need to understand Creation, to the best possible degree.  

    The latest installment of the BPWH is that Ms A might be understood as my goddaughter, out of Sophia.  How convenient, you say.  

    Yes, the BPW has never lacked in convenience.  

    And, yes, again, this postulation is only likely to provoke Ms A into further recalcitrance.  

    The SoT is not particularly known for its subtlety or connivance.  

    Where there’s will, there’s a way....... a contest of wills?  I hope not.  

    I guess it’s just part of the drama, sports fans...... enjoy!  

    Amongst the big three players of the remnant Aviary is alleged to be Kit.  Kit has always told me that he is here to serve the public.  However, he would not do so at the whim of ufologists.  He would only do so at the behest of some duly constituted authority, such as a Congressional committee.  

    How far are we from meeting Kit’s specification?  Could that possibly be arranged in the foreseeable future?  How far are we from that next threshold?  My crystal ball does not have that much resolution.  


    11:30..........

    Another possibly relevant data point, was Ron’s assertion to me, a few months ago, that portals were observed to be multiplying, just like rabbits, presumably.  

    Might this have been under the auspices of the Queen of the Hive?  

    Not necessarily.  I was told that her main concern was confined to those portals that could be relevant particularly to Disclosure

    My point is, however, is that...... the times they are a changing.  

    Referring to the PtB, we have a stubborn mule.  We also have a carrot and a stick.   I’m not sure what the carrot is in this case, but the stick is that the time is running out....... for all of us, and particularly for the PtB.  

    The PtB may choose to go down with their ship, or they could choose to go out with honor.  They, too, can read the handwriting on the wall.  

    Very few might choose that latter course, but it would only take a very few.  

    Am I counting Ms A amongst the PtB?  Or even, foot?  No.  But they have indicated an interest in the current administration.  And, I’m under the definite impression that they may share interests with donny, in this regard.  

    Keep in mind that all of this dramatic denouement has already been written in the stars.  A script is being followed.  It is my considered impression that it is the best possible script.  

    I’m just pointing to the script that we appear to have in hand.  And I would further speculate that this script is good enough for gummint work.   Do we need eggs in our beer?  

    So why don’t we just examine what we already have.  Upon what other ceremony should we be standing?  There are none that are nearly so ready to hand.  

    If anyone has a better game to play...... a better mousetrap...... please speak up.  

    smelly and AP would certainly opt for something more spontaneous..... more home grown, if you will.  

    When it comes to the vast majority of rabbit holes, they appear much more spontaneously than the ones of interest to any formal disclosure process.  The spontaneous holes are breathing down the neck of the powers that be (PtB).  

    It may well appear that I am being much too considerate of the PtB, in regard to Disclosure.  I’ve always understood, however, that this consideration was an integral part of my portfolio.  I could hardly deny it.  

    I’m just not particularly bloodthirsty, when it comes to Disclosure, setting aside Vegas.

    It would seem, regarding history, that God must be bloodthirsty...... I won’t deny it.

    And what about Armageddon?

    I’m just asking, politely, that, if Disclosure is to be our Portal to God’s Kingdom on Earth, could we please wipe our muddy boots on the doormat. That’s what it’s for.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:09 am

    http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html

    As this world is rather large, by what means does Ron count portals?

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    I ask my self nothing.

    This happens.

    I have nothing else to say about God or Lights in the sky or delusions of being star beings or princesses or the SoT.

    All nonsense.

    Just speculation by a feedback circuit.

    I'll leave you good muppets to have the debates.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:57 am

    I should have further asked.....what is a portal?

    I consider that We and animals and plants can create such with DMT.

    I further consider that DMT enables a field diameter expansion to occur that enables a trip across dimensions.

    Therefore aliens are off their heads on DMT?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:41 pm

    DMT I have spent some time with.

    You can't imagine what can be seen.

    Absolutely out of this world incredible, raw consciousness.

    Turned me into a smelly goat.

    What a trip.

    But for me mysticism and spirituality is akin to suicide.

    This is the real here.

    Smile like you mean it.
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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:42 pm

    What's a portal, you ask?

    The FBI investigating a portal in South Dakota ...



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