Yes, 99, we have Disclosure......

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Ok, 99,

I think we can safely say that, in this past month, we have come close enough to Disclosure, for all practical purposes.  

You’re being the mathematician about Disclosure, and I’m being the physicist, and I’ve told this story a few times, already, but it won’t hurt to tell it again.......

A mathematician and a physicist walk into a bar, and sit on both sides of a very attractive woman.  The mathematician can only ever get halfway closer to the woman, but the physicist can get close enough for all practical purposes.  

Think of the physicist as Donald Trump, and think of the Boys on the Bus.  

Donald Trump will be known as the Disclosure President, for having helped to orchestrate what has transpired in the past month, not the least of which was chicken little realizing that, very likely, he was Visitor #1.  

Will any self respecting ufologist feel satisfied with this, Sonfish, version of Disclosure?  I would seriously doubt it.  However, will any competent historian ever come up with a better peg for Revelation?  I would seriously doubt it.  

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Nothing can be proved, only realized.

The great realization is....

There is nothing to realize.

No proof is needed, it’s all happening here.

No one looks to me, no one needs saving.

Now go and wash your bowl.

Blessed are those who need not meta materials to be here.

Well, if everything is an illusion then I most definitely overpaid for the new pair of sandals I just bought.

Don’t be stupid, Ack.

True, our words may not mean anything, but there is no point in entertaining that hypothesis....... in fact, very likely, it is harmful to do so.

We work with what we have.

Here we are.

Meaning is personal.

Realization is not about seeing God or aliens.

It’s about being yourself here.

We is me

Me is we

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Then you are confused

Sometimes we are confused and sometimes we aren’t. 

What life means is simple and clear here.

My alternate source suggests that we pay attention to the Russian submarine incident that took place a few days ago.  

He sees it as part of another Russian attempt to deploy a doomsday device, and that they are mainly being provoked by Israel.  

Israel, like Islam, is attempting to provoke Armageddon.  Many fundamentalist Christians do the same, but are a little more subtle about it....... posing simply as military hawks.  

My source sees this as Israel against the rest of the world.

I see this as two sides of the same cosmic conspiracy...... to wake us up to smell the coffee........ to prepare us for the Revelation of the best possible world.

Yes, sports fans, it’s all about the Second Coming.

What else would it be....... I ask you......?



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It’s a sick sick world.

Full of muppets who don’t like it or want to be somewhere else.

Leave then.

Please go to where you think you will be happy.

But ain’t nothing for them but oblivion.

What a half life most will have being so distracted. 

I really really don’t like end of the world types.

If you want your suffering to end, leave, simple

Dan doesn’t live here, that’s just how it is with eschatologists.

smelly is such a spoil sport.

There has to be a party pooper at every party.

Maybe you are the one who should be leaving, smelly.

I’m here at the party. 

To me, you are the party pooper.

You leave.

This place doesn’t have or need eschatologists thank god who is not here

An eschatology about a being that doesn’t exist.

That sounds like perfect muddled muppet logic.

“There are two major points of Buddhist eschatology the appearance of Maitreya and the Sermon of the Seven Suns.” 

The sermon completes with the planet engulfed by a vast inferno after being burned clean by 7 suns.  Perhaps the mystics here saw the end of time?

Should we care about the 7 suns? 

Naaaaaaaaaaa

We know the earth will die, like us, unless it has a way to escape to better climbs and perhaps it does.   

We know this because we are here now.

We are where we are.

Any religion that has an icon, has an eschatology of their return it seems, a beginning and end. 

Zen and eschatology comparisons are interesting.

Because nothing written about Zen is true or real.

So what can be compared?

Zen is not Mahayana Buddhism.

Zen is not a teaching of words.

Zen, in its original sense, annihilates the mechanism of teaching. 

There is no verbal expression in the existential space of Zen. 

But words and books contain the supposed conversation between god and man.

Eschatology of religion arose in the concepts of religion. 

Focused on the timeless words between creator and created.

Using this medium we can talk about the history of religion and eschatology of religion.

But Zen is very contrary to this. 

There is no eschatology in zen as there is no grammar or logic.

This can be very frustrating to the logical eschatologist don’t you know?!

No shit.

So how is Zen taught if it undercuts words and teaching

This is the genius of Zen. 

“Nothing” is communicated from one to another with no words. 

Zen is just being yourself here, nothing more or less. 

But we live in a world based on verbal and visual communication.

So Zen has never been coherent using the language of things that exist as Zen sets existence aside as vanity. 

“Stone is stone, but it is also not stone.”

Existence is annihilated in Zen.

This may sound contradictory and ridiculous to the logical mind.

The annihilation of Logic is the “nothing” state. 

“The broad way has no gate.”

Zen negation of existence allows one access to Satori, direct perception, to be, and may be like final participation of Owens minus the logic part of that. 

All relativities are transcended.

This is an esoteric approach ultimately. 

Usually ‘nothing’ is associated with nihilism. 

And nihilism seems like acid to religion.

Zen began by seeing the vanity of all existence and its essential nature is selfish by nature. 

Time is already existence. 

Zen is not pure philosophy or literature.

Nothing is not nihilistic.

Through the practice of annihilation, being immediately is fresh and mind is fully realized. 

One begins to merge with the sky then and is no longer bound to just the earth or existence. 

We are freed from our troubled thoughts. 

We suspend our judgment of things.

And then we are as a floating cloud or meandering water.

‘Nothing’ is the religious benefit of Zen. 

Until you have practiced annihilation of your existence, of language, I sound ridiculous.

When you are ridiculous, we can merge. 

Without words = nothing 

So what have I said?

My words cancel themselves out. 

Nothing/Mu

In Christianity, it’s all about origins and eschatology. 

Alpha and Omega.

Dan follows the logical and language route of religion very well.

Few could match his command of language.

Until he met a smelly goat

They say the world could not have been created by natural processes, the divine is involved here and even walks among us. 

The “last day” is key to Christian eschatology. 

John 6:39

They say jesus walks with us beginning to end until the last day. 

There is no origin or eschatology in Zen.

Time is negated by being thrown into nothing. 

Past present and future become incomprehensible in zen.

Yet the Zen tradition is filled with koans and stories and words. 

This is an apparent contradiction, but are just two sides of the coin. 

Zen ignores logic and time.

Heidegger explored nothing/Nichts by saying we need to explore what appears to know it. He was concerned with human existence.

Zen makes no special distinction about humans or rocks.

So the western idea of nothing is not the same as the zen version.

Zen is not homocentric as it sees existence and nothing the same and thus can’t be fully defined, it is esoteric.

Man is man, but not man. 

Thus there is no angst in zen.

One can fully realize peace beyond neurosis.

This I think clearly or not so clearly  explains the contradictory positions Dan and I have staked out, not that it matters. 

I find it all quite amazing and nothing really.

smelly is Zen...... he sees no distinctions between rock and person or between good and evil.

Zen is monist, in that sense.  

I am a monist, too, but in another sense.  

Everything that exists, exists for the best, and exists for persons.  

All existence is for the One...... is for the one personal God..... the God of personhood.  

On the other hand, there also exists the ground of Being..... and it occurs to me this fundamental metaphysical distinction between Being and the ground of Being might not be entirely orthogonal to the distinction between male and female...... between yin and yang.  

To which I add, vive la difference.  

Does the ground of Being exist for (the) Being?  

Well....... Being does not exist for the Ground.  

Without Being, there exists only potency.  In that sense, female is more potent than male.

Female may then be the reflection of Being upon the Ground.  

This does smack of subordinacy.  

Potency is subordinacy?  That might be correct.  

Each does have to seduce the Other into Existence.... into Being.  

Being is the expression of Potency...... it is the Word of Potency.

It could be said, almost as a play on words, that female is inspiration, and male is ‘expiration’.  

I wonder what Jordan Peterson would make of this?  

However, a Greek expression that I love is Logos Spermatikos.  What do we make of that expression...... in the ontological sense?

Anyone?  


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99 wrote:We need an eschatologist available now, moreso than ever before to help put things into perspective because once the Davis/Wilson leaks are covered in mainstream news, that's when  we'll start seeing our neighbor’s carrying "The End is Near" signs outside our nearest gas stations, Walmarts and McDonald’s passing out flyers to join their church.


But we here at OM have our own (eschatologist) so we’re very lucky in that regard! If you have any questions about possible hostile alien invasions and Armageddon, just ask Dan.

You didn’t hear a thing I said because your logic filter is up. 

You don’t need anything 99.

Stand up.

Don’t know, straight on. 

Annihilate your history and wisdom and knowledge I say and float in the clouds or not. 

It just doesn’t matter.