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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 6 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:45 pm

    without aiming you can cut through everything instantly

    the queen of hearts would eat her heart out

    its the headless way
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:48 pm

    A very interesting thing is happening with new social media stars.

    They are the product, it’s a refocus on the individual.

    But in Asia, it’s about connections and network building.

    All street vendors can send cash using mobile client.

    The west sets up barriers to networking.

    Why the hate the internet and use commerce to pollute it.

    The first barrier though and the last is the individual.

    We are strangers in a strange land.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:31 pm

    And Aaron is an advocate, for his bad ass self.

    As we all are.

    It’s bullshit to claim more than is yours.

    I like authentic straight shooters who know they can only speak for their own little view from their short little life.

    I don’t like princesses or aristocracy.

    Keep your boot off my neck.

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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:52 pm

    I can always trust myself to be selfish

    Just as an ordinary human being...with my light side and my dark side

    with my outgoing affection as well as my ingoing self affection

    both must be there
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:03 pm

    I never see black and white, it all seems to always be grey.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:08 pm

    The shirt i'm wearing right now is grey, but it's one of those fabrics where its actually made up of many black and white dots all mixed up together to give it the appearance of the color grey

    if you zoomed in close enough...depending on the specific point you zoomed in on, you might call the fabric black or you might call it white

    so then what is it's real color?



    happy happy joy joy

    isn't it obvious?
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    Post by vortimond Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:42 pm

    There is also the third force. Some of you call it the fire. We didn't steal the fire this time, it was given to us. We are the others because we all are different. We are the paranormal.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:44 pm

    yes, when lucidity arises black and white merge into grey

    distinctions blow away in the wind

    ...

    We didn't start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world's been turning
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:16 pm

    So when we become lucid in the dream, who is it that becomes lucid?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:29 pm

    That is for each to find out for themselves if they feel so motivated.

    It does no good to tell people who don’t want to know.

    What could be said?

    Funny thing is the universe seems to collide to bring what’s needed.

    I would say lucidity is when one realizes the groundless state of being which leaves them facing forward toward their death without fear.

    Somehow this has the benefit of satisfying our cravings.

    You want lucid, that’s lucid.

    Just my experience.


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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:38 pm

    ya...what could be said?

    don't know

    the dream is the dream of the dream

    who's dream?

    the dream's dream?

    what could really be said?

    anything and nothing
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:59 pm

    Dan says he is number 2

    But in the beginning there were only 2

    He is saying he beat me to the princess

    nonsense

    could there be a number 2 version 2?

    perhaps


    oh ya, I forgot

    the dream is over

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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:22 pm

    persons are key yes

    entanglements are key yes

    but what happens when you untangle the entanglements?

    it can't be said

    if you figure it out your mind will be blown out wide open



    you actually can't figure it out

    accepting what is is accepting the fact that you can't figure it out

    a flash of light and pow!

    it is vast

    far more vast than language could capture

    you can't get outside of it to point to it or capture it

    it is everything
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    Post by dan Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:26 pm

    News flash........ a six month time line is being considered.
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    Post by 99 Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:27 pm

    UFO Disclosure breaking news: See UFO Reports sub-forum. 

    https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t359-the-us-government-admits-ufos-are-real#24851


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:57 pm

    I was studying the source of Logos.

    We hold words within and then there are things we speak.

    It seems during early Greek times, we were just learning how to make logical arguments.

    The Stoics saw the Logos as the universal creative principle.

    I think we still don’t really know what the Logos is.

    It seems to effect the development of our minds.

    It’s like we found a talky box that never shuts up.

    Essence (hsing), undoubtedly related to logos, appears closely knit with life (ming) when entering phenomena. ~The Secret of the Golden Flower, Page 11.

    Each individual contains a central monad which, at the moment of conception, splits into life and essence, Ming and Hsing. These two are super-individual principles, and so can be related to Eros and logos. ~The Secret of the Golden Flower, Page 73.

    The word is our God.

    The ancients called the saving word the Logos, an expression of divine reason. So much unreason / was in man that he needed reason to be saved. If one waits long enough, one sees how the Gods all change into serpents and underworld dragons in the end. This is also the fate of the Logos in the end it poisons us all. In time, we were all poisoned, but unknowingly we kept the One, the Powerful One, the eternal wanderer in us away from the poison. We spread poison and paralysis around us in that we want to educate all the world around us into reason. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 280.

    Some have their reason in thinking, others in feeling. Both are servants of Logos, and in secret become worshipers of the serpent. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 280.

    A descendent of Logos is Nous, the intellect, which has done away with the commingling of feeling, presentiment, and sensation. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

    The house represents a fixed abode, which indicates that Logos and Eros have permanent residence in us. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

    Where Logos is ordering and insistence, Eros is dissolution and movement. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

    Nothing makes this effect clearer than the serpent. It signifies everything dangerous and everything bad, everything nocturnal and uncanny, which adheres to Logos as well as to Eros, so long as they can work as the dark and unrecognized principles of the unconscious spirit. ~Carl Jung, Liber Novus, Page 365.

    Believe me: It is no teaching and no instruction that I give you. On what basis should I presume to teach you? I give you news of the way of this man, but not of your own way. My path is not your path therefore I cannot teach you. The way is within us, but not in Gods, nor in teachings, nor in laws. Within us is the way, the truth, and the life. ~Carl Jung, The Red Book, Page 231.

    Man shall differentiate himself both from spirituality and sexuality. He shall call spirituality mother, and set her between Heaven and earth. He shall call sexuality Phallos, and set him between himself and earth. For the mother and the Phallos are superhuman daimons that reveal the world of the Gods. They affect us more than the Gods since they are closely akin to our essence. ~Carl Jung; The Red Book; Scrutinies; Page 352.

    When I first drank Ayauasca, it was no mistake the first image I saw was the coiled serpent.

    I visualized the Logos as a serpent.

    As humanity seems to always have.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:10 pm

    Dan is the serpent

    He's an apple pie dealer

    It's like crack

    It's that old witch in Snow White

    she knew it when she said "apple pie is what the men folk want"

    Well...you know what happened to Snow White

    she rode off into the sunset with prince charming
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    Post by 99 Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:28 pm

    The Logos

    "In Jung’s earlier writings, he intuitively equated masculine consciousness with the concept of Logos and feminine consciousness with that of Eros. Either one could be dominant in a particular man or woman, due to the contrasexual complexes."



    "By Logos I meant discrimination, judgment, insight, and by Eros I meant the capacity to relate. I regarded both concepts as intuitive ideas which cannot be defined accurately or exhaustively. From the scientific point of view this is regrettable, but from a practical one it has its value, since the two concepts mark out a field of experience which it is equally difficult to define.
    As we can hardly ever make a psychological proposition without immediately having to reverse it, instances to the contrary leap to the eye at once: men who care nothing for discrimination, judgment, and insight, and women who display an almost excessively masculine proficiency in this respect. … Wherever this exists, we find a forcible intrusion of the unconscious, a corresponding exclusion of the consciousness specific to either sex, predominance of the shadow and of contrasexuality. [“The Personification of the Opposites,” CW 14, pars. 224f.]




    In his later writing on alchemy, Jung described Logos and Eros as psychologically equivalent to solar and lunar consciousness, archetypal ideas analogous to the Eastern concepts of yang and yin – different qualities of energy. This did not change his view that Eros was more “specific” to feminine consciousness and Logos to masculine. Hence he attributed Eros in a man to the influence of the anima, and Logos in a woman to that of the animus.
    In a man it is the lunar anima, in a woman the solar animus, that influences consciousness in the highest degree. Even if a man is often unaware of his own anima-possession, he has, understandably enough, all the more vivid an impression of the animus-possession of his wife, and vice versa. [Ibid.,  par. 225.]
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:31 pm

    Aaron wrote:Dan is the serpent

    He's an apple pie dealer

    It's like crack

    It's that old witch in Snow White

    she knew it when she said "apple pie is what the men folk want"

    Well...you know what happened to Snow White

    she rode off into the sunset with prince charming

    Names are part of stories, I don’t name names.
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    Post by 99 Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:34 pm

    Logos. The principle of logic and structure, traditionally associated with spirit, the father world and the God-image. (See also animus and Eros.)
    There is no consciousness without discrimination of opposites. This is the paternal principle, the Logos, which eternally struggles to extricate itself from the primal warmth and primal darkness of the maternal womb; in a word, from unconsciousness. [“Psychological Aspects of the Mother Archetype,” CW 9i, par. 178.]
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:39 pm

    Logos is that flash of insight.

    That courageous act.

    I’m particularly intrigued by Jung’s idea that the Logos becomes a poison.

    We used to be pretty muddled in our thinking, we compensated, maybe our pre flood state was one of dark confusion.

    So some of our myths hint.

    We swing back and forth across this abyss.

    Anything in excess acts like a poison.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:46 pm

    oh ya, no names

    so many rules

    sheesh

    lol

    smelly is serious about not letting the serpent past the gate

    smelly is my cheribum and flaming sword

    oh shit...

    story again

    it's a trap!

    nowhere to go and nowhere to hide!

    hmmm

    I surrender
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    Post by 99 Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:01 pm

    smelly wrote:Logos is that flash of insight.

    That courageous act.

    I’m particularly intrigued by Jung’s idea that the Logos becomes a poison.

    We used to be pretty muddled in our thinking, we compensated, maybe our pre flood state was one of dark confusion.

    So some of our myths hint.

    We swing back and forth across this abyss.

    Anything in excess acts like a poison.


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