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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:51 am

    You’re ok, smelly....... we take you as you come...... come one, come all.  

    Trust me though, infinitude will grow on you, when you see it as being internal to you, rather than as being out somewhere in the sky.


    No savior.........?

    Maybe not.

    But there is Truth, and the Truth will set us free.

    I merely claim to be the spirit of the truth.

    That might also be the SoT, just as a matter of history.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:56 am

    For me it’s settled.

    I’m not saying anything is or is not happening after my death.

    I have no idea nor will I be a witness of it or be aware of any cosmic significance.

    So then here I am and how I function and live is the world.

    I’d say that’s as honest as anyone could be about life.

    I can abide any fantasy about living.

    Here then Zen is my life and I am Zen.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:01 am

    cwallatruth wrote:
    dan wrote:
    That is basically the definition of a jesus freak, which I claim to be.  

    In the End, we’ll all be jesus freaks....... mark my words.

    We will all be small world interpersonalists.  Get over it, get used to it.

    And, above all, don’t leave home without it.  

    (cont.....)

    Dan,
    What does the BPWH say about the Jesus freak priests who rape and molest children, in extraordinarily high numbers.  I don't believe I've seen you talk about that here, but I could have easily missed it.  

    If I could offer a reason?

    Organised from the highest levels of religions control centres.

    To discharge high content consciousness beings, the sexual act been a transfer method of a duality of consciousness .

    I can detect these children....thus so can others.

    I once asked a mother if She realised how powerful( enormous field diameter)Her daughter was, She did and said that Her and others were protecting their daughter from those who would target her.

    The base of our spines is where the serpents reside, as such, those serpents are the spiral flows of consciousness that enable independence from the dominant serpents of earth.
    They are termed as serpents merely to describe due to the manner in which opposing spiral flows create serpentine pathways.

    It is when a humans field radius exceeds 55 feet that they can then communicate across dimensions, and those in control sure don't want humans been able to do such.

    Look up indigo children.

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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:11 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    Trust me..... taxes are not high on my list of things that need ‘fixing’.  

    Mostly what we need is an attitude adjustment.  

    Especially, vis a vis scientific materialism.  

    If we can ever get over s/m we will be halfway home.  

    Who is "we"? Aren't some of us over s/m? How many need to be over it to be "halfway there"? What does halfway look like? will it really be different than where we are now?
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:14 am

    hobbit wrote:

    Look up indigo children.


    Looked it up. Looks like a bunch of words that could have come from purposeful disinformation, truth, or non-sense. Now what?
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:20 am

    smelly is Zen and I’m Truth.  

    What will happen when Zen meets Truth?  

    I guess we’re in the process of finding out.


    cw,

    If you were actually over scientific materialism, you would know, and I would know it.

    You’re not over it, not by a long shot.

    smelly thinks that he is over Truth...... not by a long shot.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:23 am

    cwallatruth wrote:
    hobbit wrote:

    Look up indigo children.


    Looked it up.  Looks like a bunch of words that could have come from purposeful disinformation, truth, or non-sense.  Now what?  
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=base+of+spine+serpents&qpvt=base+of+spine+serpents&FORM=IGRE

    If You view a rainbow, it is showing the stress of interacting fields, indigo is where the diameter is largest.


    Light is a consequence, not a beam from some torch called the sun, there is no light in space due to no field to stress locally the field of the sun.


    Indigo children are high strength field beings, and they tend to be stroppy with little regard for control systems.


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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:26 am

    And what this whole forum is about is trying to figure out HOW you got/became "Truth".

    Smelly contends that you are using thought (either from insider knowledge, sophisticated logic, or both), any of which are illusory, so your truth is no different than his Zen.

    Muppets contend you have inside knowledge and suck at your teats for any drops of "Truth".

    Perhaps others are just bored.

    So which is it?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:26 am

    Life is dynamic.

    I don’t live it from any book or custom.

    I inherit though and receive history.

    I had to be brutal in my survey.

    I am going to die so I started there so I found not wanting or wanting brought a strange life to me.

    I didn’t want to know what my birth meant, but what could my death mean?

    What is meaning I asked?

    The cosmos responded.

    It showed me my life and I found that being was its meaning.

    Life is not a hypothesis.

    The westerners not ecstatic with god bliss, make hypothesis.

    But the ecstatic can call it what they like, they are living.

    My death has been hidden from me until now by the veil of
    My life.

    I can’t find an edge to it.

    I am spinning in time and space.

    What might grab ahold me next?

    Very good cw, maybe you are Aaron Wink
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:28 am

    Your spine is a series of conductors and resistors that facilitates the creation of a powerful field of consciousness.

    Look up TT Brown and gravitator.or gravitor.
    http://www.rexresearch.com/gravitor/gravitor.htm







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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:44 am

    cw,

    My truth is no different than smelly’s Zen......?  

    You could have fooled me.  

    My truth is news from nowhere...... with a little bit from Ron and the Princess.  

    I dove into the core of physical truth, and I came up empty handed.

    smelly did something similar, also coming up empty handed.  

    He gave up searching.  I didn’t.  Well, he took drugs, I didn’t.  

    Drugs were his search light of choice.  

    My search light.....?  

    Ten years after I walked out on physics, the first time, I discovered that some of my professors had discovered something they didn’t understand, so they had mostly just covered it up.  

    I grabbed it, and have been running full speed with it, almost ever since.  

    This is the Anthropic Principle.  

    But when I (too?) discovered where the AP was leading, I dropped it, too.  

    But then I had another encounter with Sophia, although she was better disguised, this time.  

    Basically, Sophia was trying to tell me....... see something, say something.  

    I knew what I had to say, but I didn’t know who might listen.  

    It took a few months, with considerable transatlantic phoning to get the number of my intended target....... Ron.  

    Ron listened, even though he’d not heard of eschatology, before.  

    He is still listening.  

    So what?  

    He allows me to speculate, somewhat freely.  And I do.  

    He allows me to speculate that others listen.  

    I do, and I act accordingly.  

    I was led to believe, in ‘77, that I might be the SoT.  Nothing in the meantime has served to deconstruct that belief.  

    Ron provided no more information of significance.

    Aliyah showed up. There were stories, but nothing I could grab onto, not until early in 2015.

    Why then? In retrospect, I’m provoked to say with the advent of the current potus....... the vectors were aligning.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:01 am

    And then a Gen X dude showed up.

    There is only an apparent difference.

    Finitude and inifintude are the same.

    I suppose we have a contention still regarding Truth.

    I haven’t given anything up.

    I just let go.

    I’m still here Wink

    Well Dan, I brought in a big gun.

    I have contacted my old Christian mystic friend Paul from college.

    He is a true genius.

    He read Being and Time in his early 20s and has stayed grounded in the Christian tradition.

    He is my only bridge left to you Dan.

    I have asked him what he feels and thinks about Truth.

    He knows my position of no position.

    It should be interesting to see how the 3 of us vector.


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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:04 am

    smelly,

    I can hardly wait to meet your school chum.
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:07 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    My truth is no different than smelly’s Zen......?  

    You could have fooled me.  

    My truth is news from nowhere...... with a little bit from Ron and the Princess.  

    ........

    Aliyah showed up.  There were stories, but nothing I could grab onto, not until early in 2015.  

    Why then?  In retrospect, I’m provoked to say with the advent of the current potus....... the vectors were aligning.  


    I was saying Smelly contends that since you use thought, your "Truth" is no different than his Zen because thought to Smelly is the same as farts to noses.  Basically, he thinks he's ran further in the race than you.  However, he also admits that you are just doing you, and that's alright alright alright.  

    You contend that you are further in the race, and perhaps on a different one altogether given you've been influenced by Ron and the Princess and that it leads somewhere.  Where is it leading?  If it's to sit in J-man's lap and ask for all the Christmas presents for all the children that never got any, that's not an end, which comes back to Smelly's point (and Watts?) of admitting it's all ultimately unknowable.  The god head can never know itself, just as a flame can't burn itself, and a tooth can't bite itself.

    So.... vectors aligning?  What alignment have you been looking for since 1977.  When you see their perfect alignment, will you even know it?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:12 am

    Dan, you are a mystic, while I had mystic experiences with ayausaca and without, I integrated them differently than you perhaps.

    They led not to evidence of everlasting life, but deep meaningful living of a temporary one.

    I wanted to isolate my wishful thinking and fantasy.

    It turns out my whole life was a fantasy.

    That led to a radical zen for me.

    I found others who had also had this radical shift in time.

    Does that make us the show?

    I don’t know.

    Science does know something else they tried to ignore to support their religion.

    I saw how these experiences can inflate the ego and maybe that’s just how it happens.

    I want to know why my friend holds to truth and faith in infinitude when he can’t know it.

    He’s no dummy.

    I’m a dummy, I didn’t grab onto the first mystic images I had.

    So yah, I’m calling you and my friend Paul out.

    Let’s be real about what is subjective and personal fantasy and that each has their own reality tunnel.

    How then shall we live?


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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:12 am

    cw,

    The final alignment is that the WoM/MoAPS will take off.

    That will be sufficient unto the day and hour.


    smelly,

    Where you see a tunnel, I see a funnel, with you looking at the skinny end.

    I’m looking at the fat end...... I see no boundaries.

    Scientists see the appearance of a quantitative infinity.

    With a mustard seed of faith, one can easily transpose those quantities into qualities.

    That’s all.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:17 am

    Impressive cw.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:21 am

    Ever wondered about ALIGNMENTS?



    I can show the alignments of all chuches in GB and they ain't east/west.

    They are to THE matrix, as is the sun and moon.

    Ever wondered as to WHY 180 ton stones were usesd?, and how they located them and positioned them?

    It ain't no tomb, it's for interacting with consciousness.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:26 am

    I will always love the geometric hobbit.

    If we walked around in a world talking geometry, he would be right at home.

    I feel we miss his experience as we don’t all walk around aware of the geometry of the matrix.

    I suppose for him geometry is obvious truth.

    What appears for him has its own meaning I guess.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:27 am

    hobbit,

    Alignment with consciousness.........

    Of course, hobbit......

    I just hasten to point out to you that this alignment is necessarily with _human_ consciousness.

    That’s all.

    Humans are the measurers and aligners of things.  

    As a pantheist, this is your inconvenient truth.  

    Your great great uncle would have known better.

    You think you honor your uncle...... you might want to think again.



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:34 am

    dan wrote:hobbit,


    Humans are the measurers and aligners of things.  

    As a pantheist, this is your inconvenient truth.  

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    Ok, humans are special, Dan. Now what?
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:38 am

    cw,

    Well, just about everything of human significance........ and there is nothing that is not significant to us.

    The great scientific enterprise of deconstructing the human has failed.

    We are free at last, to dream every scientifically impossible dream.

    What more might you ask for, cw?



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:39 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    Well, just about everything of human significance........ and there is nothing that is not significant to us.  

    Ok, everything is significant to us special humans. Now what?
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:44 am

    I just told you, cw.  

    Now the ball is back in your court.  

    Try wishing upon a star.........

    But...... when you go to the wishing well, be careful of what you wish for.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:47 am

    Sorry, I can demonstrate how mushrooms align with the matrix , how trees align, how moles operate underground to the matrix.
    How fish navigate the oceans, how salmon return to where they were spawned.
    how birds navigate the globe.

    Humans are not "special" that's arrogance overload.

    See how special You are in a shoal of sharks, tell them how SPECIAL You are.

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