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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:00 am

    Ok, hobbit,

    Now, what is your problem.......?  

    You’ve been on here, a lot, talking about vortices and dimensions.  

    You are using these terms in a non standard fashion, so I have idea what you are on about.

    I have recently been able to mollify smelly and Aaron..... by recognizing that I was, indeed, giving short shrift to non being.  

    Are you also in need of mollification?  

    By my being a personalist, you may feel that I am giving short shrift to our furry and feathered friends.  

    I’m not sure how vortices and dimensions are going to help, in that regard.  

    Could you, or one of your followers, here, possibly help out, here, in this regard.

    Thank you for your attention.......


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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:01 am

    dan wrote:Had we listened to the Zen masters all along, we would not be in the predicament that we are today.  

    Ours must be the best possible predicament, we just have to figure out how.  

    We are all dressed up, now, particularly with our internet.  We just don’t know what our clothes are for.  

    Some of us.... most of us are waiting for Godot, or some such Singularity or Revelation.  

    We slouch toward Bethlehem....... have mercy on our souls.

    There is a valley where the waters flow
    Where the blood of closely killed beasts are washed into fallen rock
    Carved out canyons seem empty and jagged
    Yet the emptier and more jagged they are, the more space for rugged vistas to pronounce their arrival

    Said another way, we are like the tides
    We come in
    We go out
    We ebb
    And we flow
    Sometimes we bring in beautiful seashells
    Sometimes we bring in broken ones, once beautiful,
    But now?.... now on their way to becoming sand grains of innumerable wisdom

    Be like the sand
    Always originating from perfection
    And always ending up as the soft path between that which is stable and that which flows
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:20 am

    Ok, cw,

    What are you getting on about?  

    Are you expressing a problem with something I have said, or are you attempting to raise some new problem.  

    Apparently, my prophetic pronouncements have attracted a coterie of Eternal Returners.  

    I take it that you count yourself amongst the latter.  

    You take offense at, us, would be prophets.

    I apologize for your offense.  

    I attempt to tell the Truth.  I’m not sure what you are attempting.  

    Ok, you suggest that I’m not being sufficiently sand-like, for your taste.  

    Allow me to counter with this.......
    The Sea of Faith
    Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
    Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
    But now I only hear
    Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar......
    ....
    Ah, love, let us be true
    To one another! for the world, which seems
    To lie before us like a land of dreams,
    So various, so beautiful, so new,
    Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
    Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
    And we are here as on a darkling plain
    Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
    Where ignorant armies clash by night.

    You and hobbit, like half the world, believe that you can ignore the prophetic tradition.

    Everyone is able to ignore the prophets, until the chicken little comes home to roost.


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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:48 am

    dan wrote:Ok, hobbit,

    Now, what is your problem.......?  

    You’ve been on here, a lot, talking about vortices and dimensions.  

    You are using these terms in a non standard fashion, so I have idea what you are on about.

    I have recently been able to mollify smelly and Aaron..... by recognizing that I was, indeed, giving short shrift to non being.  

    Are you also in need of mollification?  

    By my being a personalist, you may feel that I am giving short shrift to our furry and feathered friends.  

    I’m not sure how vortices and dimensions are going to help, in that regard.  

    Could you, or one of your followers, here, possibly help out, here, in this regard.  

    Thank you for your attention.......


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    I don't have a problem.

    Maybe You mean NO idea?

    I don't need any reassurance, thank You.

    Everything in 3d creation is within it's own unique dual vortice of consciousness, therefore all is one, You are no different than a mouse, perhaps a dormouse that has forgotten this?


    It is mans arrogance to think it is superior to all others.


    Religions have pushed this nonsense of man been superior
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:58 am

    You are a liar, hobbit.......

    You do have a problem with me, and with personalism.  

    You are an animist, or, actually, an animalist.  

    You see persons as usurpers of your animal kingdom....... yes, we are murderers, in your eyes.

    I have felt some of your pain.  I am an environmentalist ..... but I’m sure that is not good enough for you.  

    Virtually all of my fellow propheteers are only amongst the ignorant armies, clashing in the night.  

    Yes....... theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do and die.  

    My mission, should I choose to accept it, is to reason why, and make reply........ as prophesied in John 16.

    Why me.......?

    There is no competition out there, visible. I’m rather visible on the Internet, if you have any idea of what you are looking, prophet-wise.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:14 am

    Being unto death is meaning making.

    Time is Disclosure.

    Unclosed.

    Active presence.

    This is the world of sense making as yourself.

    To accept oneself as finite is authentic living.

    A finite hermeneut.

    The opposite of making sense is death.

    One must face the crash of their world.

    There is no more ground.

    I am fully responsible for my life if I don’t suicide.

    I am alone.

    Can I accept this?

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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:16 am

    Dan wrie…

    "You are a liar, hobbit...."


    Did You get out of bed on the wrong side today?


    I don't have a problem with You, if I had any problem You would know about it warts and all.


    I think You have a problem with Your belief system been challenged.
    Your a typical believer.
    Your ego ( combined memories within Your local consciousness field) fights to be correct, and as with all believers they attack anyone who challenges their assumed kingdom.

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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:22 am

    Dan wrie…

    "You are a liar, hobbit...."


    Did You get out of bed on the wrong side today?


    I don't have a problem with You, if I had any problem You would know about it warts and all.


    I think You have a problem with Your belief system been challenged.
    Your a typical believer.
    Your ego ( combined memories within Your local consciousness field) fights to be correct, and as with all believers they attack anyone who challenges their assumed kingdom.

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:26 am

    Come on, hobbit...... get real.

    You see the whole world as a Fibonacci spiral.

    But so what? What is that supposed to mean to us. How might it speak to us?

    You are unable to give it voice, so you might as well shut.

    I give voice to the voiceless. It’s my job. You don’t like it...... it’s time for you to shove off of my little soapbox, don’t you think.

    Is that right, smelly? Does hobbit have anything useful to impart to us?


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:28 am

    Meaninglessness or absurdity of death is the ground of meaning as nothing is the ground of something.

    Humans are embedded in meaning.

    Meaning is making your way or living in the world.

    This is the meaning of Being.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:32 am

    Hmmm........

    smelly is trying to say something, possibly even in support of our furry little friend.  

    Let’s see if we can figure it out........

    Ok, meaninglessness is the ground of meaning.  

    How is this possibly something more than a tautology....?

    Meaning is making your way or living in the world.......... ok.



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:35 am

    Dan,
    I think you are constantly missing Smelly's point... there is nothing to figure out
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:40 am

    cw,

    Nothing to figure out........?  

    Hmmm........

    We’ll just see about that, won’t we, cw?  

    Any statement that cannot be rephrased is gibberish.

    If a statement is worth phrasing, it is worth rephrasing.

    I bet that I can rephrase smelly better than you can, cw.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:42 am

    dan wrote:Come on, hobbit...... get real.  

    You see the whole world as a Fibonacci spiral.  

    But so what?  What is that supposed to mean to us.  How might it speak to us?  

    You are unable to give it voice, so you might as well shut.  

    I give voice to the voiceless.  It’s my job.  You don’t like it...... it’s time for you to shove off of my little soapbox, don’t you think.

    Is that right, smelly?  Does hobbit have anything useful to impart to us?  


    (cont......)

    Your posts lately smack of GRUMPY.

    I detect all living entities as to been within a dual helical vortice that is Fibonacci based...correct.

    That all living entities are remembering to be within their own local dual vortices, and as such don't really exist as assumed that all is immaterial within ever larger fields of dual vortice memories, that the overall field You term as god is but a memory container of all.


    The disclosure of this reality of universe will need the present world to vastly alter, when it is realised that all is one, that there is no need to consume another consciousness field ( wrongly termed as energy) or to rape of same this planet, but instead to locally operate with consciousness.


    To all that do consume anothers such....forgive them, for they could not know......yet.



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:45 am

    dan wrote:

    We are all dressed up, now, particularly with our internet.  We just don’t know what our clothes are for.  

    Some of us.... most of us are waiting for Godot, or some such Singularity or Revelation.  

    We slouch toward Bethlehem....... have mercy on our souls.

    Waiting for death is what you are truly saying. And while we wait, what do we do.... we try and figure. Figuring shit out is what we are here for, but knowing we don't have to figure is what Jesus taught. The paradox isn't lost on those that can see Jordan.

    And thus, we have cloaked ourselves in the internet. Of all the internet out there, this is one of my favorites:
    https://qmap.pub/

    with Dan's open mind being a close second, and Smelly's Slack being a closer 1.9.

    The castles of thought of that trio provide numerous outlets of figuring and even more outlets of confusion. Combining the three leads us to nowhere, which is the beaten sand that forever we will be. Unless you actually have something to tell us Dan, we will slouch toward Bethlehem, waiting for our savior, waiting for our death.

    I won't expect anything real to come from you, because of course, reality exists only in closed minds.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:59 am

    cw,  

    Yes, folks are waiting for the Truth.  

    I claim to be the Truth, here to remind that the Truth is personal and interpersonal.  

    So what...... you may well wonder.

    So everything, I am claiming.  

    So this must be the best possible world...... for starters.  

    This means that when you see something about the world that you don’t like, rather than complain about it, you should set about understanding it and/or ‘fixing’ it.  

    That is exactly what we are hear to do with the world........ understand and/or ‘fix’.

    How is that for starters?

    This is really everything that I have to say, so maybe I should follow my own advice, and shut up.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:05 am

    I say the being here together is the meaning and nothing more.

    Our finitude is the source of meaning.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:12 am

    ”Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

    I don’t think the j-guy, here or anywhere is speaking to our finitude.

    Everything he said, spoke to our infinitude.

    This is perhaps the major difference between panentheism and pantheism. You, good folks, need to do your homework on this.

    Then, just maybe, we can start getting serious...... together.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:16 am

    "You should set about understanding it, and or fixing it"

    Hallelujah.

    Unless You fully comprehend how a system operates....leave it alone.
    First rule of any service engineer.

    I have spent the last fifteen years of My life puzzling out how the system I am within operates.
    I am a living entity and can attune to any other living entity ( field to field)
    No dead ( at rest within the planets field) device can do such.

    You preach that the words of jesus should be listened to....was jesus a living entity?

    But now only the results of machines are listened to.....dead machines.

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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:25 am

    Very good, hobbit,

    It looks like you may have come to the right place..... after all.  

    Yes, the j-guy preached only the living word...... that we can all live by.  

    But only if we don’t mistake the living word for the dead letters...... of the Bible.  

    I’m here to breathe new life into those dead letters.  

    That is basically the definition of a jesus freak, which I claim to be.

    In the End, we’ll all be jesus freaks....... mark my words.

    We will all be small world interpersonalists. Get over it, get used to it.

    And, above all, don’t leave home without it.



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:31 am

    smelly wrote:I say the being here together is the meaning and nothing more.

    Our finitude is the source of meaning.

    Interpersonal as Dan would say. More agreement than disagreement between the goat and the chicken I would venture to guess. The finitude may not necessarily be the source, but at least a forcing function to let go and not worry while we are here figuring. Watts talks about that a lot.
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:34 am

    dan wrote:cw,  

    This means that when you see something about the world that you don’t like, rather than complain about it, you should set about understanding it and/or ‘fixing’ it.  

    That is exactly what we are hear to do with the world........ understand and/or ‘fix’.  
    (cont......)

    So tell us, what is there to understand and what is there to fix?
    And who is complaining?

    I complain about taxes. They are too high and the IC spends too much of it, IMO. But I also don't know what it takes to keep me safe. Though I suspect more money is to keep me ignorant, in the name of safety. I want to be on the team that chooses where and how to spend all the money. That seems like fun. Voting isn't fun, b/c it doesn't seem very impactful.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:41 am

    cw,

    Yes, our apparent finitude is our forcing function toward our actual infinitude.  

    That is what’s happening, especially now, as the End approaches.


    Trust me..... taxes are not high on my list of things that need ‘fixing’.

    Mostly what we need is an attitude adjustment.

    Especially, vis a vis scientific materialism.

    If we can ever get over s/m we will be halfway home.



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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:44 am

    dan wrote:
    That is basically the definition of a jesus freak, which I claim to be.  

    In the End, we’ll all be jesus freaks....... mark my words.

    We will all be small world interpersonalists.  Get over it, get used to it.

    And, above all, don’t leave home without it.  

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    Dan,
    What does the BPWH say about the Jesus freak priests who rape and molest children, in extraordinarily high numbers. I don't believe I've seen you talk about that here, but I could have easily missed it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:47 am

    My focus always is how to practically live here now.

    Death has a sobering effect.

    I can’t live my life in light of any infinitude, that could only be faith and speculation.

    For me it is always how to simplest now live and be.

    I have faced my death and it has only left me simply with what is here.

    You could say it’s a personal choice, suicide or finitude.

    It’s how I can live authentically.

    I do not propose it the only way to live.

    But I am not a man of faith at all Dan.

    But that’s ok, right.

    Plenty of folks believe all sorts of things.

    I guess I’d have made a horrible savior.

    There is no one to save and no saving possible.


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