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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

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First topic message reminder :

First topic message reminder :

This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
should be substituted here......

Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.

Thank you.

............

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Post by hobbit Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:01 am

Dolan has a point about controlling t'internet.

Here in the UK they have been today announcing such measures .

Those who seek such control are akin to zombies that can only operate in a controlled environment, left brained inadequates.

Thus any release of information about how universe operates, and that high intelligence/s are not under their illusion of control cannot be allowed to be released.

The thing is though that the left brainers have always sought such control and have thus almost achieved it due to right brain free thinkers not been bothered about such.

Smelly is pure right brain with open channels to more dimensions, and thus displays perfectly His total disregard for the need of any such structured control.

The only way to defeat the zombies of control is to reveal the method of creation, how universe enables such, but that subject is always knocked down here and never addressed.

Which means left brained zombies are controlling this forum.

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by 99 Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:32 am

hobbit wrote:Smelly is pure right brain with open channels to more dimensions, and thus displays perfectly His total disregard for the need of any such structured control.

So it would seem yet some of my tentative suspicions concerning Smelly (I'll stop there) Anyway, I don't know if you caught this hobbit but you'll find what Dan said about him a few pages back in this thread.

It could explain why Dan only allows Smelly (and his sometime clone Aaron... though currently, at least over the past few days, Aaron, whose sentiments and allegiances change depending on which way the wind is blowing, and Smelly are less in agreement on things) to inundate this ongoing thread with their philosophical POV's on how the universe operates.

As for Dan's BPWH, that's all him... the other stuff, for security reasons, is less direct and more into the realm of the oblique and so on due to his connection with Ron (one that has apparently ended but time will tell if that's true or not).

No question about it.. a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here but that just makes this place more fascinating.

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:06 am

What I concede to smelly and Foot is that Disclosure has been postponed indefinitely...... all for the best, of course.

This, despite the fact that smelly is conceding the BPWH. He simply wants to leapfrog the Eschaton, and head straight to the Monad. Why the heck not? The Monad is fair game, if you’re on the Hinayana, and there are many out there who are.

There is one slight caveat for the Hinayanans...... they will need to have personalism securely on board to make the summit. Most do not, and smelly’s personalism is borderline, at best.

To understand personalism, you have to understand its interpersonal/social dimension. I don’t think you can do this and deny history. And you’ll never understand the personal dimension of history without understanding its central character.

To understand personalism, you must set aside scientific materialism and it’s attendant Big Bang cosmology..... ie.... the cosmos is an aesthetic appearance..... a natural appearing backdrop to human history.

The stars and fossils were a necessary preamble to the MoAPS...... the grand deception leading to the great apostasy. Yes, our history was written in the stars.

Is God a deceiver......?

God believes in management by objective, rather than by directive.

(cont.......)

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by whoknows Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:24 am

Dan wrote:We will all end up being Daddy Warbucks in Heaven.

Gosh I hope not. I don't look good bald.

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Post by vortimond Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:42 am

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Very true.

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:02 am

Vort,

Come again.......?!

Just killed him.......? Like maybe is was just an accident? I guess he could have slipped on banana peel.

Hmmm........ brother, you are evincing a very superficial understanding of the psychology underpinning most of the prophetic tradition.

I find this degree of misunderstanding almost breathtaking...... wow. I think Vort had better stick with lights in the sky and alien hubcaps.

Personalism will not be your strong suit.

(cont......)

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:09 am

hobbit wrote:Dolan has a point about controlling t'internet.

Here in the UK they have been today announcing such measures .

Those who seek such control are akin to zombies that can only operate in a controlled environment, left brained inadequates.

Thus any release of information about how universe operates, and that high intelligence/s are not under their illusion of control cannot be allowed to be released.

The thing is though that the left brainers have always sought such control and have thus almost achieved it due to right brain free thinkers not been bothered about such.

Smelly is pure right brain with open channels to more dimensions, and thus displays perfectly His total disregard for the need of any such structured control.

The only way to defeat the zombies of control is to reveal the method of creation, how universe enables such, but that subject is always knocked down here and never addressed.

Which means left brained zombies are controlling this forum.

hobbit

Fuck yeah, hobbit ain’t no blind muppet, haha.

I have surmised something similar in regard to the break down and rebooting of the bicameral mind.

He sees we walk amongst each other.

Not many of us now, but more are booting up new root node code.

Just a matter of abiding in our time.

Secret to the cosmos bitches, right here in our holographic mind.

Get some Wink

Wink

What you will learn is control is the lie.

Spontaneous change is all that’s happening.

Your brain has to be rewired.

It’s as if we stand on opposite shores of the cosmos.

I see this world is a ruin of love.

We are the People of the Lie.

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:13 am

99 wrote:

hobbit wrote:Smelly is pure right brain with open channels to more dimensions, and thus displays perfectly His total disregard for the need of any such structured control.

So it would seem yet some of my tentative suspicions concerning Smelly (I'll stop there) Anyway, I don't know if you caught this hobbit but you'll find what Dan said about him a few pages back in this thread.

It could explain why Dan only allows Smelly (and his sometime clone Aaron... though currently, at least over the past few days, Aaron, whose sentiments and allegiances change depending on which way the wind is blowing, and Smelly are less in agreement on things) to inundate this ongoing thread with their philosophical POV's on how the universe operates.

As for Dan's BPWH, that's all him... the other stuff, for security reasons, is less direct and more into the realm of the oblique and so on due to his connection with Ron (one that has apparently ended but time will tell if that's true or not).

No question about it.. a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here but that just makes this place more fascinating.

Typical left brain response.

Muppets are suspicious.

Zen, like all perspectives, is a trap.

Any thing can be idolized.

I’m pointless, so you can leave me in the corner babbling.

I am not in agreement or disagreement.

Aaron and I are directly observing.

We are playing word games.

All words cancel.

I smell of sweet putrid flowers.

You can smell death close to me.

Keep us at arms length.

If you let me too close I’ll eat your face.

I love eating faces.

Just doesn’t compute does it?!

There really is no left or right brain.

Bahahaha

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:28 am

smelly, our newfound historian, goes off on history half cocked......

We are the people of the Lie........?

Hmmm.......

Science is a Lie?

Try ‘grand deception’, smelly.

And ask yourself the reason for the deception.

Is the coverup a lie?

No, smelly, it is an essential feature of the Grand Deception.

Yes, God loves apostates, and you must be one of his favorites, smelly.

(cont.......)

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Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:33 am

Ok Dan.

I don’t judge the grand deception.

It’s awesome.

See, Alan Watts and his ilk are spiritual moonshiners.

It has to be taught one by one.

I made my own still.

I make some strong brew that will melt your face off.

I make it at home.

That’s where we make the best moonshine.

Have some.

Mmmmmmmm

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by 99 Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:42 am

dan wrote:Vort,

Come again.......?!

Just killed him.......? Like maybe is was just an accident? I guess he could have slipped on banana peel.

Hmmm........ brother, you are evincing a very superficial understanding of the psychology underpinning most of the prophetic tradition.

I find this degree of misunderstanding almost breathtaking...... wow. I think Vort had better stick with lights in the sky and alien hubcaps.

Personalism will not be your strong suit.

(cont......)

You misunderstood vort ( most likely intentionally) and stop being such an ass. And don't you dare tell me to shut up. What's your problem anyway?

And by the way, this is a public forum. If you want your thread to be private, then talk to Cy about that but as it is now, anyone can participate in this thread when they so choose. This is not your forum. Thank you.

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Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:45 am

I like when Dan is an ass.

Very becoming.

Back to making moonshine.

A little piece of heaven and hell.

To make the mash you mash in all of history.

This will be your first run.

On the second run, a few personal ingredients are added to the mash.

Your own history has to be mashed in.

If you gave it all you had, the third run is the most powerful.

You add sunlight and shadow to the mash.

Then...

BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!

Making ayahuasca is like this.

You stay up three days brewing the tea.

Drinking vomiting collecting your own ingredients.

Singing and dancing and smoking infuses the brew with big juju.

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Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:50 am

I thank you, 99, for your candor....... but it doesn’t explain Vort’s take on the central persona of prophecy.

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Post by 99 Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:56 am

He's new here so give him a break, that's all I'm asking but seriously, this time round, you were really out of bounds in your feedback on his post.

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Re: Immaterialism 6

Post by hobbit Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:57 am

99 wrote:

hobbit wrote:Smelly is pure right brain with open channels to more dimensions, and thus displays perfectly His total disregard for the need of any such structured control.

So it would seem yet some of my tentative suspicions concerning Smelly (I'll stop there) Anyway, I don't know if you caught this hobbit but you'll find what Dan said about him a few pages back in this thread.

It could explain why Dan only allows Smelly (and his sometime clone Aaron... though currently, at least over the past few days, Aaron, whose sentiments and allegiances change depending on which way the wind is blowing, and Smelly are less in agreement on things) to inundate this ongoing thread with their philosophical POV's on how the universe operates.

As for Dan's BPWH, that's all him... the other stuff, for security reasons, is less direct and more into the realm of the oblique and so on due to his connection with Ron (one that has apparently ended but time will tell if that's true or not).

No question about it.. a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here but that just makes this place more fascinating.

99,

The wind ain't blowing.

It is one of the very basic learning curves out of this assumed scientific claptrap.

The atmosphere is displacing relative to two opposing spin fields.
If You view every so called atom as a tiny world, with polarity and equator, then view the so called wind as where zillions of those tiny worlds are been attracted , or repelled towards or away from.

Yes also view Yourself as zillions of tiny worlds all compressed into You , which is akin to You been the galaxy, as You are with a dual helical spin of consciousness, thus You, or Arron will react to local fluctuations in the consciousness flows about You.

If You simply observe this at all scale, then universe becomes quite clear to comprehend.

There is no need for a giant CONTROLLER called god, that is what left brained thinkers need to fit their assumed lordship of universe.

I sense this world is due for a large variation in the dual flows ( birkeland currents) that will lead to it been displaced locally with another star been involved .

Hobbit

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Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:12 am

hobbit,

Pray, enlighten us as to why there are any people in your universe?

smelly,

As to the central role that you assign to drug use, Alan once said...... if you get the message, hang up the phone.

Apparently, you haven’t gotten the message.

(cont.......)

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dan wrote:hobbit,

Pray, enlighten us as to why there are any people in your universe?

smelly,

As to the central role that you assign to drug use, Alan once said...... if you get the message, hang up the phone.

Apparently, you haven’t gotten the message.

(cont.......)

People are exactly the same as all other living entities, they are consequences of constant change.

We are not unique, superior or any such notion, not made ( but quite possibly varied to suit others agenda).

hobbit

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Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:35 am

hobbit,

What do you make of evolution?
.......

So, yes, it is quite possible that Foot has been relieved of his hand holding duties, relative to chicken little.

What might that tell us about Disclosure?

Disclosure continues apace, on the cultural/historical level.

The internet is a great interpersonal learning tool.

Yes, it has great potential for abuse, but there is a much brighter side that, naturally, is as much underreported as its abuse is overreported.

The world wide web is the great entangler, and, as Aliyah has pointed out, portals and entanglement are closely related.

One of the last things reported by foot was the proliferation of these doorways.

(cont.......)

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Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:57 am

dan wrote:hobbit,

Pray, enlighten us as to why there are any people in your universe?

smelly,

As to the central role that you assign to drug use, Alan once said...... if you get the message, hang up the phone.

Apparently, you haven’t gotten the message.

(cont.......)

I haven't drunk in 2 years.

I go the message.

I was just comparing the experience of spiritual moonshining.

You are not a moonshiner so you have no idea what I mean.

EG

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Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:07 am

smelly,

Comparing spiritual moonshining to what, pray tell?

Did Alan get the message?
.......

It is better for folks to learn things on their own recognizance.

People will get the message..... just you wait and see.

Preferably, my role has already been obsoleted.

(cont......)

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Post by hobbit Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:08 am

There's brighter people about to discuss such with, I am a hobbit.

There may well have been some creation involved, but with others agenda driving it for their needs, which even if they turn out to be cold blooded reptiles I have no problem with such, don't humans farm whatever suits them?
Don't We eat chickens, little or large?

Just suppose that We were able to travel about this galaxy , wouldn't we farm every planet We came across?

Well maybe there have been others doing so for a long long time, and their agenda may involve this whole shooting match been driven by their needs, would You tell a herd of sheep that You were ordering in lots of mint sauce ?

That's what I consider DISCLOSURE is about.

hobbit

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Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:35 am

dan wrote:smelly,

Comparing spiritual moonshining to what, pray tell?

Did Alan get the message?
.......

It is better for folks to learn things on their own recognizance.

People will get the message..... just you wait and see.

Preferably, my role has already been obsoleted.

(cont......)

I’m not worried about who gets what.

I got the message.

I master my self only.

Maybe others will or won’t.

My life or view is not dependent on a teaching or a teacher or what anyone else realizes or not.

I do not see my self then as significant at all.

Just part of what’s happening.

I do not offer either.

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Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:50 am

smelly,

And what do you offer?

hobbit,

Thank you for the video. I watched it in part, and read the comments, which, besides being biased, simply missed the point....... two very different sets data.......

Anyway, I understand that Dawkins is a flat out materialist.

How does your worldview differ from Richard’s?

(cont.......)

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Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:57 am

Dan, I only have my presence to offer.

The path I found to no path may be very different for another, but I imagine all of us go through similar stages integrating our minds with what’s happening and with nothing.

Our minds and structure are properties of what’s happening.

I can only stand with you here near the flame until I am totally consumed by it.

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