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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

    ............



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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:57 am

    Smelly offered this yesterday in a chat message

    "All we can be for another is a mirror.

    Going faceless and nameless reveals nothing and is a pointless plot."

    What do you make of them apples Dan?
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:22 pm

    Aaron,

    I gather that smelly’s criticism was intended to be directed mainly at you.  

    I suggest that smelly should look in his own mirror.
    ........


    smelly,

    Path to no path........?

    I suggest to you that all roads lead to ‘Rome’, which, in the case of the best possible world, would be the Monad.  

    Do you have a problem with the Monad, smelly?  

    However, I could ask myself, once we’ve seen the Monad, how are you ever going to get us back down on the Farm?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:35 pm

    I only speak for my self Dan.

    I only look into my own eyes.

    Your assumptions are generally wrong regarding my process and meaning.

    Maybe you should stop making them.

    How could I have a problem Dan?

    No problemos Dude.

    The Monad is awarensss maybe.

    I don’t have names for it.

    All paths are false paths.

    Our lives happen in the light of being whether we accept it or not.


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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:37 pm

    smelly,

    Ok, then, can you help me with the Monad.....?

    What is it that gets us back down on the Farm?

    One might suppose that getting there is half the fun.

    It might even be 99% of the fun.

    But don’t we ever get tired of the roller coaster?

    Maybe, after 10^10 rides, we’ve had enough.

    And what do we do for the rest of eternity?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:40 pm

    There is no return.

    There is an awareness of what is happening.

    You don’t aim.

    You can’t try.

    It just happens when you let go.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:48 pm

    We aren't already back down on the Farm Dan?

    What makes you believe we aren't already back?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:49 pm

    My awareness is we are here and our home is wherever we are.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:50 pm

    Agreed
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:53 pm

    Ok,

    And, next thing you know, we’re not here.


    Aaron,

    Yes, we are back........ 10^10 times, evidently.



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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:55 pm

    We're always not here Dan, that's why we can just relax and be here now.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:59 pm

    Aaron,

    Always not here.......?  

    Hmmm...... you sure could’ve fooled me.

    Maybe instead of Monadic, we’re actually Nomadic.


    smelly,

    You mean........ never leave home without your Home?  

    And, in point of fact, we hardly ever do, but, once in while, we pretend to cut the cord........ you know, cheap thrills, and all that.


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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:00 pm

    Ya ya

    I get the point

    The non-dual is embedded in the dual.

    We can have our cake and eat it too
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:07 pm

    Being is nomadic in nature and always changing its appearances.

    Stopping is death.

    We are multi-dimensional I feel.

    We are always here until we aren’t.

    And there is the screen the appearances appear in/on.

    We are always local and relative, yes, and always connected to all Being just by Being.

    Awareness of the connections comes with realization.

    There are non verbal aspects I could describe, they emerge like flowers from your life.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:14 pm

    And, I guess that’s my point about Disclosure.......

    People, especially our muppet friends, already know all of this instinctively...... deep down.  

    Ignorance is only skin deep, IOW.  

    They are just not ready for the dinner bell.


    smelly,

    And, brother, you sure don’t want to share your dessert.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:30 pm

    I'm here sharing my presence.

    I'm not secluded in some Mountain cave.

    I am an open book.

    What am I holding back?

    Mine is just one perspective.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:38 pm

    You used to provide more data...... like entities you met along the way......

    Did you kill them all off?

    Black Elk stood out for me. We’re you making it up?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:53 pm

    Ahhhhhh

    Everything I shared happened as I said and perceived it.

    Those visions and voices still come.

    I did kill my focus on them.

    I share what they show me.

    They are a part of me and my awareness.

    Other crazy things are happening.

    Either they are always happening and we become aware of them.

    They become like a gauntlet you have to pass through.

    A land of inner imagination.

    I let all come and go now as they like and sometimes I note their appearance.

    But they don’t have your answers.

    There are none Wink

    I understand how they have been so misunderstood and taken as literal.

    I meet an old man by a stream now quite often and he says very interesting things or he changes forms to show things.

    What is this?

    I don’t know.

    But I find the wisdom aligns with what I find in public.

    But in a masked way.

    I end up sharing why I have been led to here on OMF.

    But the leading comes in many ways:

    -Spontaneous thought
    -Focused meditation
    -Marijuana
    -Automatic writing
    -Synchronicity/study on internet
    -Visions and voices
    -Spontaneous understanding of complex issues
    -You can go to first principles of any thought or word

    There are multiple layers of filters.

    More and more my filters are falling away.

    I become clearer and clearer.

    I say and write less and less.

    What I receive is for me.

    I used to think I should share them.

    It appears no one has to say anything.
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    Post by dan Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:36 pm

    The guy by the stream.......

    Has he gone silent, too?

    Have the oracles become mute?

    Some might take that as an ominous portent.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:04 pm

    No, when I stopped spending time with the others, the mostly silent old man showed up.

    The other day I read something and watched a video.

    Then I saw the old man by the stream and he showed me something and said something.

    It was profound to me in the moment.

    It cut right to the simplicity of being.

    Being is being he said.

    He showed me floating on my back watching the sky.

    He said you can’t see the sky unless you look up.

    Then he said you are the sky and the birds in it.

    You will vasilate betwen the birds and sky when you see through things he said.

    Then I went and researched being is being.

    And the old man led me to Heidigger and his Being and Time.

    But a very important step I learned early on which is often judged and misunderstood.

    I spontaneously wrote about the topics to see what would emerged.

    This helps me integrate things, my protocol.

    Jung did this in his Red Book, as him, I made art about what I experienced spontaneously as I individuated my Self.

    I have diligently documented my entire journey to no path on OMF.

    My last big study was into Jungs Red Book, Henry Corbin, myth, the sufiis, Western metaphysics.

    When I stopped reading books mostly, the old man showed up.

    I had to leave the books and then help arrived for the next steps inside my seflf.

    The old man was showing me things I never thought about and they aligned with Zen insights into being.

    Perhaps the old man is my unconscious image who knows quite a bit more than I do.

    ...

    I see him now, his head is bowed and hands folded.

    He smiled at me and winked.

    He said don’t know, straight on.

    He says straight on a lot.

    He likes my smelly mask.

    He said try on all the masks you find.

    We often are just laughing together.

    Like I hear him chuckle over my shoulder sometime.
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    Post by SurfBum Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:20 pm

    And it's whispered that soon
    if we all call the tune
    then the Piper will lead us to reason

    And a new day will Dawn
    For those who stand long
    And the forests will echo with laughter

    .....

    Your head is humming and it won't go,
    in case you don't know
    The Piper's calling you to join him
    Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
    Your stairway lies on the whispering wind........

    It makes me wonder
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:59 pm

    It’s quite funny.

    Aaron and I spent enough time together 1 on 1 to see the shared connections.

    I’m sure it was trippy to him too.

    I was transparent with him.

    Just yesterday I watched Harpo acting as the Pied Piper.

    That’s not a coincidence.

    Who dat man?



    That’s how the Magick with the old man works too.

    The cosmos is saying to blow that horn.

    Whispering wind is something else the old man used once.

    He told me I was letting the wind blow through.

    Ha!

    Muppets hear these things and judge, but the sage just laughs while I play.

    There is a lot of smiling and laughing.

    But those who live for a will to power only find gnashing teeth.

    You can play a game called the no name no thinking game.

    Let your ears hear what they want to hear.

    Let your eyes see what they want to see.

    You can live this way.

    Your breath does as it likes.

    I don’t breathe, I am my breath when not thinking.

    It’s happening to me and I can choose to breathe.

    What happens and what I do is the same.

    It’s all just happening.

    Am I a puppet or am I doing it all?

    My mind sees light, I create my world.

    Now let all that happen with no thought or names.

    This will take you immediately to Awareness and your being.

    Time isn’t the past or future.

    It’s happening now.

    We do not become dehumanized emotionless unfeeling.

    We are able to fully feel the experience like we see colors.

    You flow like a leaf with the wind with a little self awareness.

    Just enough.

    The best amount.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:33 pm

    He who hesitates is lost.

    Don’t wobble.

    Spontaneity is not chaos.

    You can’t stay on guard.

    You just flow loose and easy.

    Then you are ready.

    Drop expectations then.

    No heart no mind.

    Watch what happens.

    To have a mind like a mirror receives but does not keep.

    It instantly reflects like a lake reflecting the moon at midnight.

    You are not in a hurry, you just never hesitate.

    There is no deliberation.

    Very difficult for an analytical mind to grok this natural flow.

    Life becomes fun and very enjoyable with no worry.

    The old man never lets me choose.

    Always now now now.

    So what do I understand about Zen?

    Absolutely nothing.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:52 pm

    Psycadelics simulate and trigger synethesia.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

    As I heard a song Aaron sent.

    I manifested a ball of light in my mind.

    The way psycadelic did this now happens naturally for me or always did.

    I think natural substances reveal nature.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:36 pm

    Wink

    I opened a portal with Aaron tonight..enjoy.

    Here’s why we avoided WWIII.

    It was Trump or Boom!

    We chose the cartoon version of the apocalypse.

    I much prefer this.

    I’m thankful for the bafoon even.

    Brilliantly funny!

    Har har frog man.

    Due respect, due respect.

    Source of kek meme.

    This kids Magickal working.

    It’s possible.

    The old man brought it to me.

    The old man might be the Trickster or not, jury’s out.

    I’m not a black magician.

    But weird shit today.



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