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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:09 pm

    Aaron wrote:From the empty space we form a face
    Breath life into clay
    Here beyond the empty skies
    Abraxis claims what has always been mine
    never born and never dies
    The moon dances with the tides
    In the flow of time we ride the wave
    All there is is nothing appearing as everything
    Meaningless and free
    Dancing fire and crashing waves
    The drama on stage is just a play
    Who is there to share this with?
    There are none here I can find
    Up in the sky a goat floats by
    Down below the devil gets high
    We rule the land and the seas but the sky is for the birds and bees
    There is nothing but a dance and wiggle
    There are none who do not dance
    There are none who do not point the way of no way
    It is all once harmonious interpersonal and impersonal network of energy
    Even mind is a myth
    There is only what is





    Don't do it unless it comes bursting out of you.

    "When it is truly time,
    And if you have been chosen,
    it will do it by itself
    And it will keep doing it until you die
    Or it dies in you

    There is no other way

    And there never was" -Bukowski


    It just does it all by itself it seems.

    The damndest thing.

    I wonder if Dan will ever accept his life just happens.

    Makes you more fun at parties.

    You don’t bug people and tell them what they should be doing.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:11 pm

    These Hollywood actors must have a lot of fun playing mini dramas on the stage of the main drama

    I think Dan is playing the role of stage manager maybe

    Trying to set the stage for Muppets to come and face their own death on

    It's not a bad gig, but it still is just another act

    The smelly act, the SoT act, the Buddy masks act, the Zen Muppet act

    All very natural acts

    What is the difference between a mission and no mission?

    Wink


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:14 pm

    Aaron wrote:

    There is no Bach, Mozart or Beethoven

    There is only music

    There is no difference between Dan or Smelly or the Princess

    There is only music

    music wouldn't be music without the space between the notes and the spaces between the notes wouldn't be spaces without the notes

    The middle way makes no distinctions

    But yet the middle way is itself a genre of music

    I enjoy all sorts of music

    It would be so boring without variety


    What a little mimic you are.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:20 pm

    Without doing anything I mimic billions of personas every day.... apparently

    This is the greatest show on Earth and the only show in town

    Honesty I'm not even trying to mimic

    I'm just flowing through different tunes naturally and spontaneously

    I have no control

    Free falling wherever the wind takes me

    Everything is a mimic of everything
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:14 pm

    I have been considering the journey to here, some concepts from the trip.

    Intentionality is interesting.

    Phenomena happen.

    Someone perceives them.

    A distinction is drawn between subject and object.

    Then language follows suit.

    More distinctions, more phenomena.

    The distinctions themselves are phenomena.

    Subjective states become phenomena and are then analyzed and reduced to words-which themselves become phenomena and are in turn distinguished, etc.

    Then, to recover something like a pre-linguistic awareness in which experience is undifferentiated, we can learn to play with intentionality and gain other perspectives, some of which we privilege.

    We may perceive other objects and then fail to make distinctions, leave phenomena undifferentiated, and transcend. Upon reflection, we may call such a thing "truth" or what have you, but we've fallen back into making distinctions.

    Attempts to convert such things fail, but we do the best we can.

    But, why do we conduct ourselves thus? And why privilege one state of consciousness over another?

    It seems that in privileging one over another, we fall back into distinctions.

    We dismiss something by transcendence, then we put it back implicitly whenever we declare transcendence superior, because we've fallen into making distinctions again.

    I say, don't privilege; rather value both and affirm their relative contexts-without dismissal.

    Tony says it clearly, Liberation is not that some privileged state that happens but realizing there is nothing to find or needs to happen other than your normal every day mind and body.

    Being here is just being your ordinary self.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:49 pm

    Our words and ideas are music and shit at the same time

    Just play things and rank things dancing in the dark
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:00 pm

    I looked up and saw a cheetah.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:01 pm

    Aaron wrote:Our words and ideas are music and shit at the same time

    Just play things and rank things dancing in the dark

    There is no better or worse state.

    There is just what is.

    Egos happen and fear.

    But there is no one to be liberated.

    Nothing to do.

    Just a shift happens in seeing and no more fear.

    It happens.
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    Post by dan Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:05 pm

    Ordinary self..........?  Wow!  

    Ok, smelly, tell us one thing that is ordinary about the self?  

    Do you have any clue what a stupid, potentially evil, concept that is?

    Your use of the term “muppet” is very indicative of your stupidity, in this regard.  

    Yes, there is a great banality to the evil you perpetrate, thereby.  

    Here you are, taking up potentially valuable space, in doing your level best to deny the essentially transcendental nature of personhood.  

    No smelly there are no muppets.  

    There are only true reflections of God, beaten into submission by your terribly verbose banality, and the banality of other cowards, such as yourself.  

    Everyone of us will fully realize the God seed within us.

    I suggest you go work on your own God particle, and, in the meantime, contemplate your navel on your own time.



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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:25 pm

    Ya Smelly, shame on you and your evil words!

    This is a very serious offense!

    The ordinary is nothing but extraordinary
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:26 pm

    You are 10k times dumber than me Wink

    Muppet Dan

    You were the broken down older model.

    This is the new hotness.

    Good riddens.

    You weren’t meant for final participation, we are.

    You can lick my evil muppet ass you moron Dan.

    Banal enough for you?

    You really think digging into your losing position the way to go?

    Bahahahahahaha


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:31 pm

    Lol

    Let's check out what the diva Queen's are serving up for our partaking


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    Post by dan Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:34 pm

    Final participation..........?

    And please tell us smelly, what will you finally be participating in?

    Will it be something other than the Source?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:35 pm

    Dan you are a goat fart on top of being the stupidest muppet on earth.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:37 pm

    I can’t tell you Dan, you just have to accept you are here dancing you muppet.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:39 pm

    Dan's dance is one of my favorites

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    Post by dan Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:41 pm

    There is that of God in all of us.

    Are you claiming that this is a false or meaningless statement?
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:43 pm

    The dancing empty appearance is the meaning
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:46 pm

    Nothing is false or true
    Meaningless or meaningful
    Full or empty
    Material or immaterial
    No difference between
    The subject and observer
    No one is here who can be liberated
    Or ever has been or will be
    This just is what it is happening
    You can stick to good and evil if you like
    I don’t stick to nuthin
    I just showed up
    Abracadabra


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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:49 pm

    Very good Smelly

    We are happy for you
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:50 pm

    There is no me

    But thanks

    I guess

    I’m not happy or sad for you

    You aren’t here

    I don’t know wat happy or sad is anyway

    Fake it until you make it pretender
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:13 pm

    Bam!

    Thunder gods!

    The thunder gods are untouchable.

    Good for them...not
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:19 pm

    Liberation, get some.

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:21 pm

    I don’t know nuttin bout nuttin
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:21 pm

    Dan, yuh are a muppet because you can’t dance with what the tide brings, you want to make it into what you want.

    You don’t get what you want.

    You get what you need.

    Some thunder god cursed you with me, I love that.

    **Muah**

    Nothing is here wanting anything.

    You may not be a materialist, but you are one dualistic muppet.

    I eat evil for breakfast.

    I poop out rainbow goodness.

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