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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

    ............



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:47 am

    Why are humans special to you Dan?
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:49 am

    I want to see where your thoughts lead.

    Whereas you see a funnel, Smelly (and I'm inclined this way as well) sees a tunnel.

    The tunnel has a fat end on both sides.

    Is your thought restricting you in a way to convince you that a skinny end must exist? What if it did not exist? You would likely then project onto others who don't see infinity the way you do must be looking at the skinny end.

    Scientific materialism says there is a skinny end. When we follow the circular Coriolis down to it's skinny core, we find that infinity is on the other side and that the skinniness was an illusion. That is Zen. How can it be anything but that?

    So I ask "now what" to everything you say as a means to follow your thoughts. I'm like a child, as Jesus taught, and am looking to his 2nd incarnation for a way to find how to break free into the bliss of human flesh understanding of infinitude.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:50 am

    Dan is in between some humanistic and divine drama apparently.

    I’m not Wink

    I only note it, I don’t judge it.

    I don’t know Sophia.

    I know my wife and how she cares for our family.

    I don’t know Jesus but I help where I do for no payment or reward other than being here.

    It feels good to consume.

    It feels good to give.

    I don’t mnow any aliens but I interact with things that grow.

    I know my dogs love treats and my touch.

    I know Dan and how he communicates to a degree.

    I interact with people at work who mostly just follow the script.

    The ones not all there are good actors.

    What can anyone know from the vision and voice?

    That’s a dangerous path, there lies insanity.


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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:53 am

    hobbit,

    You mention mushrooms, trees, moles, fish, birds, etc........

    They all live in alignment with the forces of Nature, much more so than do we.  

    We build cathedrals with spires aligned Heavenward.  

    Are we off our rockers?


    cw,

    ..... to find how to break free into the bliss of human flesh understanding of infinitude.
    ??
    Come again........


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:00 pm

    And what disturbs our sync with nature Dan?
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:04 pm

    smelly,

    What’s disturbing ou[r] sync with Nature.......?  

    Super Nature.


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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:09 pm

    dan wrote:

    cw,

    ..... to find how to break free into the bliss of human flesh understanding of infinitude.
    ??
    Come again........

    You seem to suggest that giving up s/m and unleashing the MoAPS is possible through your "truth". To me that sounds like you have a path toward finding our true infinity while being humans on earth, which sounds blissful (perhaps not, ha!). Basically I'm trying to understand you as I understand smelly, and it's much much more difficult.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:12 pm

    Is Super Nature a mistake Dan?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:14 pm

    Dan, you see when I came to you, I was the one flying high on drug visions and letting my faith go, now I am more grounded than you.

    That’s very funny to me.

    Cw, no one can truly understand another.

    Two people can have two totally different world views.

    Neither is right or wrong is my working operating system.
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:22 pm

    Perhaps I should say complete understanding is not the objective, but a better understanding. I understand you better than I understand Dan. I'm trying to improve on the latter by digging, simplistically by asking "now what?" like a child asks "why" after everything.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az08NU-XeHI
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    Post by cwallatruth Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:24 pm

    Also, please watch that clip. It's hilarious and a perfect simplification of this thread.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:28 pm

    smelly,

    Totally different worldviews.......

    Of course we can.  

    But there is only one (personal) Truth.  

    That’s what I’m here to demonstrate to humans.


    cw,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az08NU-XeHI .... yes, it is exactly what this thread is about.......

    Why......?

    Now we have the answer, and it only too[k] two thousand years.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:30 pm

    Is Super Nature a mistake Dan?

    Decribe your understanding of it and what you suspect you don’t understand.

    What do you do when you don’t understand something?
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:37 pm

    smelly,

    Is Super Nature a mistake.......?

    Funny boy........

    If I don’t understand something, I just think some more.  

    I’m still thinking about atoms and Heaven...... there need be no end to our understanding.  

    My only point is that we can get close enough to Truth for all practical purposes.  We figure out exactly what we need to know..... when we need to know it.

    That, by the way, describes the difference between mathematicians and physicists, when it comes to dealing with Zeno’s paradox.  

    My understanding of Heaven comes by way of the Hive.  My understanding of the Hive comes by way of the Princess.  

    The caveat is that I can’t learn something if it does not align with my internal compass.

    A further caveat is that our internal compasses can improve with experience.



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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:53 pm

    Dan,

    http://www.911memorial4kids.org/aaannxyz_ch08_en.html
    Don't tempt Me into soliton spires, with Your cathedral spire quote.

    Or ziggurats for the initiated to meet their gods at specific elevations.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:05 pm

    Jesus didn’t speak of a Hive Dan.

    How do you reconcile that?

    Has the princess made extraordinary claims?

    If so, has she provided you proof that she breaks any laws of science?

    From speaking with Aaron, it appears the princess is someone who had her own realization in life.

    Aaron said portals and hives are just a zen trap.

    Do you know what he meant by that?

    I can ask him.

    Im just playing your protocol out.

    How do you interpret u shall have no other gods but me?

    That implies other gods and that gods are selfish.

    Should we take that from a book?

    I would say of course not!

    Now what if you met an angel who did things that surprised
    You.

    Magicians can mimic miracles, which begs, is there a difference between an illusion and matter?

    Depends on your pony of view doesn’t it?

    So the miracle is not objective.

    It’s local and relative to the experiencers.

    This is what I feel happens with UFO events.

    They are not real for us, but for the experiencer, it seems very real.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:15 pm

    smelly,

    Jesus didn’t learn about the Hive......?

    I guess he never met the Princess.  

    Poor guy..... better luck next time.  

    Has the Princess made extraordinary claims.....?  

    Not really.  She’s just answered a few questions about the Hive, mostly to my satisfaction.  

    Foot, on the other hand, on her behalf......

    Aaron said portals and hives are just a zen trap.......?

    I would tend to agree with that.  

    The Hive should really only provide a launching pad, on our way back to the Monad.  

    How do you interpret u shall have no other gods but me......?

    Any others would just be a Zen trap.  You should use just the j-guy, when it comes to boxing your compass.  The SoT is only meant to help you better understand the j-guy.  

    It seems that magnetic North had deviated from true North.  

    And, smelly, do you really want to know my ‘pony’ view.

    I think maybe we should ask hobbit.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:31 pm

    That is an extraordinary claim.

    If someone offered me access to such, I wouldn't take it.

    It isn't needed.

    In the online security world, we are moving to a Zero Trust stance.

    Don't trust, always verify.

    Well well Dan, now now, you know better than to take anyone's word for anything.

    Most don't know what words are or why they speak and think them.

    They could have found nothing more than I have.

    And I would bet most them who might be told this and try it have horrible personal quirks and unstable lives.

    Life is not the launching pad to anything, death is.

    Life is life and is here and local and beautiful, birth launched you here.

    My view anyway.

    So Dan, you can't have an honest and straight forward conversation about this.

    You have what you think is privileged knowledge.

    I'll just be blunt and say...bullshit Wink

    Anyone can find this, but few will face death.

    If your portals don't bring someone into contact with Death, they are great evil on Earth.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:40 pm

    smelly,

    Whoa.... boy!

    I assume that upon death we transit to limbo land, which I take to be virtually synonymous with the Hive.

    No, smelly, I am not advocating suicide by Hive, not unless you want to get stung real good by the Princess. You can just ask me about them apples.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:55 pm

    I will have no further contact with you Dan about these topics.

    I'm glad we could see each other maybe a little more clearly.

    I can never nor would I ever attempt to use such technology if any is involved.

    I'll take my chances with life and death.

    I wish you and all a joyful life.

    Nothing else you have described about the Hive has anything to do with my reality.

    Anything is possible, but the simplest thing always happens.

    A meteor is an easy solution to Earth's confusion.

    If this is a cosmic game of monopoly, they can reveal what they like to me or wipe the board.

    Perhaps there is no value for muppets to live authentic lives, maybe that spoils the fun, I hope so, if there is anyone else watching us here.

    Your game is not mine.

    I have no business here.

    I have no one I need sway to my experience.

    I shared my view, let all find their own, but it has to include death and nothing or we aren't even in the same Cosmos.

    Peace Danno!

    Book em Wink
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:02 pm

    I, for one, hope, and I trust, that we have not seen the last of the smelly One.  

    I would also feel badly for Cyrellys, as the OMF revenues are likely to plummet. She has a whole family to support. Think of that,
    Eric.

    I never thought I’d be begging smelly to stick around.......!
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    Post by 99 Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:32 pm

    You know, we all seem to forget sometimes that even though Dan and Smelly do not, putting it mildly, always agree on things, it's really all about The Debate and how it has been a contributing factor in the evolution of the paradigm each are working in. 
    Keep that in mind and throw out the rest....
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:42 pm

    Interesting, I am not trying to sound like a primadonna.

    If someone wants to pick a fight with me, you see how those end.

    But I honestly can't even approach the Princess or Hive stuff.

    Is there value being a non-dualist here, i don't know.

    I need it all Dan, give me access, or give me death.

    I'll forgo my illusory self hypnosis even.

    But I have been brutally honest with my self about my self, I would be no different about your portal hive stuff.

    Maybe you don't want someone like me, a natural, sniffing around your protocol, but that's the only honest way forward for me.

    Offer made, ball in your court on that.

    Wouldn't you like to see what a psychedelic would do?

    The CIA practically already created me and my ilk.
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    Post by dan Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:06 pm

    smelly,.......
    But I honestly can't even approach the Princess or Hive stuff.

    Is there value being a non-dualist here, i don't know.

    I need it all Dan, give me access, or give me death.
    I don’t think I’m following you, here.

    You seem to making contradictory statements....... but maybe not......

    Basically, you want access to the Hive

    I’ve never had access, but doesn’t mean that you can’t.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:08 pm

    Not necessarily, access to the protocol Wink

    I suspect I already have access if such a place is part of our experience.

    I'd give an honest account of what is going on here.

    I have no connections to anyone of any muppet significance which ain't  saying much.

    Just a thought.

    People always ask me who i am here and suspect I work with these people somehow.

    I am plausibly deniable.

    I'm just a natural who showed up.

    Let's be honest bout what we really know.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/4/2/18282606/milky-way-mass-stars-dark-matter

    Maybe they know more than they are saying, which of course they do.

    We are spoon fed our science.

    The good scientists are silent doing the real crazy work.

    And the really really good ones keep quiet mostly.

    I would imagine public scientists might just be a front for the real science.

    They might have outsmarted the powers that be, but isn't Dan really part of TPTB regime too?

    Maybe his goal is to insert doubt into the equation.

    Is he more than a useful idiot?

    Hmmm.

    I could speculate and I'd prob get close to guessing it.

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