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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the continuation of the Immaterialism 5 thread.......

    The original topic reminder post https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
    should be substituted here......

    Please remember to confine you dialogue to matters that are pertinent to the topic of immaterialism/disclosure.  

    Thank you.  

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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:24 am

    By the way, Dan, by removing the material (effective memory) of the world merely deletes the sustaining aspect provided by physical systems, upending the complexity mapping and dissolving the spiritual nature of the universal qualities that remain. However, the spiritual qualities are again simply projections that exist only in the complete three sphere circuit; the underlying reality is effectively unknown to conscious perception and ultimately unknowable in its true nature. However, the multiplicity of individual perceptions means there is always an ongoing set of three-sphere projections in action beyond the dissolution of an individual island of perception.

    Indeed, some believe it is impossible to escape from the island ;-)



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    Post by Course Catalog Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:44 am

    Don't worry, our friends in Silicon Valley will bust us out of the Matrix. Or perhaps enslave us for eternity. One or the other.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:08 am

    Thank you, Gary.......

    Yes, reality is up for grabs, and I’m reaching for that gold ring.......

    IOW, we are playing king of the hill with reality...... or vision, vision who’s got the Vision?  

    I may finally have to step up to the plate...... better late than never.  

    What is precipitating this last minute move of desperation?  

    Various little things.....

    Ron hung up on me, the first time ever, this morning.  The gauntlet has been thrown down.  

    All that I said was simply that I believe that the portals are mostly fake news.  That was all.......

    So what?  

    So everything.  

    Yes, folks are desperately trying to reify portals.

    I’m saying, hold on, sports fans, let’s slow down and think this through, before storming the gates of Heaven.

    We have all the time in the world.

    How do I know that portals are fake. Aaron told me, after we got permission from the Princess to have our little confab, last night.

    So now what?

    Now everything. We have a new game in town.

    We get to reinvent portals.

    I spilled the beans yesterday, when I said that portals were another name for our ‘blind spot’.

    What is our ‘blind spot’?



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    Post by RunningBull Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:19 am

    Course Catalog wrote:Don't worry, our friends in Silicon Valley will bust us out of the Matrix. Or perhaps enslave us for eternity. One or the other.

    I need that string out of the labyrinth!
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    Post by GSB/SSR Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:25 am

    Portals are shortcuts in the mapping process. It should not be surprising that such shortcuts are confusing since they may also be interpreted as gaps in our memory when we use the same to predict how the world is supposed to work.

    And on a side note, Dan sees love as the persistent aspect of our post dissolution reality. By definition, anything that persists (including awareness itself) is mapped into the physical reality sphere. Love does have unique inter-personal aspects that are shared across all three spheres, of course. Dan has not provided a proper argument for the persistence of love beyond dissolution but one might argue that multiplicity itself, which is seen in the many worlds argument (only as one of many examples) might be interpreted as the basis for the persistence of love.

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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:31 am

    dan wrote:

    Ron hung up on me, the first time ever, this morning.  The gauntlet has been thrown down.

    All that I said was simply that I believe that the portals are mostly fake news.

    What if we said portals are mostly abstract news?

    Anything we have to say about the portal phenomenon is merely an abstraction.

    How do you like them apples?

    The blind spot abstraction you cited yesterday seems fitting, yes.


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    Post by RunningBull Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:34 am

    And on a side note, Dan sees love as the persistent aspect of our post dissolution reality.

    This is actually a very profound thought.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:49 am

    Gary,

    Well, the CTC persists, and, as far as we know, the CTC is held together by love...... certainly not by gravity.  

    But back to that blind spot.........

    Freud discovered our personal blind spot, and Jung discovered the interpersonal aspect of it.

    The Princess is the intercessor, in bringing the interpersonal aspect down to Earth...... where we think of it as the Hive.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:51 am

    GSB/SSR wrote:Portals are shortcuts in the mapping process. It should not be surprising that such shortcuts are confusing since they may also be interpreted as gaps in our memory when we use the same to predict how the world is supposed to work.

    And on a side note, Dan sees love as the persistent aspect of our post dissolution reality. By definition, anything that persists (including awareness itself) is mapped into the physical reality sphere. Love does have unique inter-personal aspects that are shared across all three spheres, of course. Dan has not provided a proper argument for the persistence of love beyond dissolution but one might argue that multiplicity itself, which is seen in the many worlds argument (only as one of many examples) might be interpreted as the basis for the persistence of love.

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    No such thing as matter or spirit or worry, we made it up.

    Intelligence is a great obstacle to realization.

    Unless one becomes a moron...

    There are no proper arguments.

    Gees, get this confused muppet.

    Laughable!

    Worry?

    You worry.

    There is what is and we have no idea really.

    Maybe you should have some hot tea and sit down and breath until your ‘worry’ passes.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:55 am

    RunningBull wrote:
    And on a side note, Dan sees love as the persistent aspect of our post dissolution reality.

    This is actually a very profound thought.

    There are no profound thoughts muppet.

    Damn, that’s profound.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:58 am

    dan wrote:Thank you, Gary.......

    Yes, reality is up for grabs, and I’m reaching for that gold ring.......

    IOW, we are playing king of the hill with reality...... or vision, vision who’s got the Vision?  

    I may finally have to step up to the plate...... better late than never.  

    What is precipitating this last minute move of desperation?  

    Various little things.....

    Ron hung up on me, the first time ever, this morning.  The gauntlet has been thrown down.  

    All that I said was simply that I believe that the portals are mostly fake news.  That was all.......

    So what?  

    So everything.  

    Yes, folks are desperately trying to reify portals.  

    I’m saying, hold on, sports fans, let’s slow down and think this through, before storming the gates of Heaven.  

    We have all the time in the world.  

    How do I know that portals are fake.  Aaron told me, after we got permission from the Princess to have our little confab, last night.  

    So now what?  

    Now everything.  We have a new game in town.  

    We get to reinvent portals.  

    I spilled the beans yesterday, when I said that portals were another name for our ‘blind spot’.  

    What is our ‘blind spot’?



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    Talking and thinking are other names for blindness.

    A portal can only be realized through silence.

    Aaaaauuuuuuuuummmmmmm Wink
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:03 am

    Now smelly is laying down the gauntlet.

    It will take a bit of interpersonal effort to keep smelly on his reservation.

    I believe that Aaron may be able to help us housebreak smelly.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:04 am

    RunningBull wrote:
    Course Catalog wrote:Don't worry, our friends in Silicon Valley will bust us out of the Matrix. Or perhaps enslave us for eternity. One or the other.

    I need that string out of the labyrinth!

    Nope, you are ——-> HERE
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:05 am

    Also Dan, we don't ever need permission from the Princess to talk....that's utter nonsense and I think she would agree.

    Me housebreak Smelly?

    Nah.

    That's not in my job description.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:06 am

    Aaron is transparent pretending moron.

    He does what my hand make him do.

    **Yawn**
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:07 am

    Aaron,

    Maybe you don’t need permission from the Princess, but I do.

    The Princess and I have to stick together....... it’s us, two, against the world, in case you hadn’t noticed.  
    ......

    Together, we are invincible...... we hold the high ground.  

    Well, she holds the middle ground, and I have her back...... from Mt Monadnock.

    Yes, I can see Mt Monadnock from my back porch.

    That’s my own, personal portal, til someone else wants to claim it.

    I’m not rolling over, just yet.



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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:08 am

    Okay Dan....as you feel
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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:13 am

    smelly wrote:Aaron is transparent pretending moron.

    He does what my hand make him do.

    **Yawn**

    Smelly is my perfect expression of love as he is

    How's that for transparent pretending?

    Hehehe
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:16 am

    Well, I have the low ground Dan.

    Love lifts all boats.

    The Way isn’t up there.

    The way is through the valley of death.

    Do you have any fear?

    Cause you are a dead talking space monkey walking.
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:19 am

    Are those fighting words, smelly?

    And, no, smelly, you have no ground...... you are groundless, just by your own admission.

    The Princess and I have the ground covered...... with Footmann.

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    Post by SurfBum Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:24 am

    I don't mind keeping a sacred clown around for entertainment purposes.

    We're still waiting for the drag queer/n to make his debut.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:24 am

    True, but I float in the low places

    I float on my back in the sky

    I dont look at the earth

    Mountain climbers are often bewildered

    Seeing a goat dance past them
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:26 am

    I love your dances of death

    I salute you fellow monkeys

    Amor Fati
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    Post by dan Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:31 am

    Aaron,

    Yes, I appreciate smelly, too.

    He is probably here for a reason, we just have to figure it out.  

    Everything in its time.......
    ........

    Yes, it does have to do with Mount Monadnock.  

    He may be our seeing eye goat, should he choose to accept this mission.  

    We have to keep our eyes on the summit.  We need smelly to smell out the rattlesnakes in the rocks.  

    smelly just doesn’t know which way is up.

    All directions are the same to smelly.

    We need his near sight, to complement our far sight.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:36 am

    Duh

    I keep my eyes open here

    Where I am

    No missions

    I trample any snake/thought who looks sidewayz before they can strike.

    Goats and snakes aren’t what you would call bosom buddies.

    Wait til you meet the machine elves.

    I’m Santa Claus compared to them.

    Then there is the Shadow.

    Bahahahaha


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