Immaterialism 6

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Enjoy your lunch Dan

A fart I hear, Smelly must be near. Is there nothing else that we should fear? The Discloser ate lunch, without even a hunch, as to what in the Queso was causing the crunch. For Newton they cry, not even say bye, for the Apple is falling, and Little Chicken is nearby. Clean up the mess, put POJG to the Test, success depends on his action under stress.

A croak from Crowley, from his poem "Thirst"

...

Analysed, reason is raving.
Feeling, examined, is pain.
What heaven were to hope for a doubt of it!
Life is anguish, insane;
And death is - not a way out of it!

...

When you go up or down a shell, our flimsy grasp on things shatters, fractal turtles galore.

Abandon all hope muppets.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24132220-100-schrodingers-kittens-new-thought-experiment-breaks-quantum-theory/

Beware the door to Heaven...

Well, sports fans, what is the likelihood that Kevin and/or Joe ever came to DC, and/or ever went to Brazil?

Ron claims that it is not question of probability.  Perhaps in his mind, but not in my mind, nor in your minds, dear readers.  

In Foot’s mind, disclosure has the lowest of priorities, relative to taking ‘action’.

This view does not align with mine, needless to say.

I’m in this game, almost entirely, for the revelation aspect.

Technically, Foot’s priority might be national security, but, personally, one might imagine that priority being skewed towards family.  

What is the priority for humanity......?

Technically, again, humanity has no priority.....


11:30.........

Are we just so much furniture, in the best possible world?  

We are coCreators of the best possible world.  

What sort of priority does that entail?  

If any were entailed, it would have something to do with love.  The only difficulty might be in the apportionment thereof.  

This can get tricky..... and sticky.  

In purely capitalist system, money stands in for love, and is to be apportioned selfishly.  The hidden hand takes care of the rest, allegedly.  

Societies do tend to set priorities for their members, or, at least,
place constraints, there upon.  

But can nothing be said, most generally, about our raison d’etre, as it might apply here and now?  

Well, we have been fruitful and multiplied, to a point of diminishing returns, it does seem.  

What’s next......?  

All, ye.... all, ye, in free.  


1........

We should just be able to coast back home.  We should just be letting nature take its course.  

Where is the priority in that?  

Is Revelation about all of us taking our course?  

There might be national security reasons for us to delay Disclosure.  

There are global concerns relative to the timeframe for Disclosure..... no doubt.  

In the best possible world, this optimal timeframe is whatever comes out in the wash.  

Us, coCreators, we’re just the washers...... scrub a dub, dub.....

There is the Alpha and Omega, and we’re the photons on the path of optimal action...... at least, that’s what we were told in physics.  

Somehow, I get the feeling that our proclivities to overthink and underthink our situations are already built into the system.

No matter how hard we might try, we’re unlikely to be able to cheat on fate.  Predestination, anyone?  Will that put a crimp in our style?  

If we should do anything at all, we should maintain our protocols..... come hell or high water?  Well, there might also be some built in mid course corrections, if that is not too oxymoronic.  


2:30.........

If space and time are illusions, then so must be free will.  

From a technical, philosophical point of view, there can, by definition, be no externalities, given a monistic system.  There are no independent parts, in other words.  

Can there be truth......?

In some significant sense, there can be no truth, simply because there can be no errors.  What we think of as mistakes are all built in, from the git go.


11.........

There was some attempt this evening to redeem some of yesterday’s fiasco.......

The claim now is that there was an international conclave of government scientists, yesterday, in DC.  

I believe it is all fake, a cover for the Princess.  

There is no one who will back me up on this.  

Kevin likes his role as salesman for the alleged conventional technology, which consists of gyros.  They are still working on version 1.0.  There is a new name....... project Newton...... where the apple never falls far from the tree..... otherwise, it’s the same old smoke.  

Project Newton is the best possible cover for the portal magic.

Wonderful.



(cont.......)

To be clear, national security means maintaining control for the elite.

You can thank George Washington for setting up the American mafia.

I AM very dangerous to their schemes.

I do not mean that individually.

You will never resist or separate from what is.

Ever.

Some of us have realized.

Enough always do and always always will.

No need to stop playing, just remember you are playing.

Words are not the source of life, you are.

Not a thought or belief held can be true.

The vision and the voice are fantasyland.

A deep hole, watch your step.

The response is to dance with abandon.

Abandon yourself.

The Trickster and the other clowns laugh at what we hold onto.

The Trickster must be an error correcting feature of this waking dream.

It doesn’t matter, but if you get near the gateway, I know what you will face.

You will die and nothing will save you.

Accept it and you can have some fun.

It’s freeing in a way and relaxing.

It’s not depressing at all, there is no prison, the door to your cell is always open, there are no guards.

You can wander as you like.

There is absolutely nothing needed, it all regulates itself.

Unless you become as free and thoughtless as a child, you will never realize what I hint at. Then your fate was to sleep and dream.

Any lucidity is also the dream.

Don’t listen to mystics or anyone really, they don’t know anything more than you do.

They just have internal visions competing with the outer ones.

Delusional.

Life’s apparent meaning is the free flowing living of it.

It may be holotropic.

Yes, there are many non-ordinary states of mind you can experience to change your appearance.

But that’s all you are doing.

I went through a spontaneous shamanic initiation that has been mostly integrated.

Crazy path of no path.

Mine is a cautionary tale, take it easy, don’t sweat anything, go with the flow, my protocol and it works for me.

Shrug.

Straight on.

I think Jack Sarfatti is a double or triple agent.

I feel the gurus work as part of a huge social engineering project.

The US UFO propaganda here is obvious.

These are huge projects and Dan and team are part of them, consciously or as useful idiots.

Media only serves the elite.

Did you know that the NYT has never published a story that the US doesn’t support peace negotiations where we are the ones who undermine all competition.

The entire system is a lie, a lie in a dream.

Too funny.

I can summarize smelly's philosophy: "I poop, therefore I am." That's no lie.

mion wrote:I can summarize smelly's philosophy: "I poop, therefore I am."  That's no lie.

I’m just a localized smelly nuisance, but Spring is here to clear it all up.

I have no choice in what bubbles up.

I choose to share it here to an audience of 0

It’s a Zen thang.

We lack nothing, so we dance because we enjoy it!



We have one choice, to remain open to everything, standing on the precipice of death every day smiling.

The Discloser has blown a fuse, although it may be old news. He forgot what he had for lunch, or perhaps it was a late brunch. Yesterday he had a hunch, or maybe some spicy punch. He needs to start taking notes, rather than stealing boats. It is a game you see with a start that fades and ends in a gay old parade.

Well, confusion remains in my mind as to whatever may or may not have transpired in DC on Tuesday.  

I surmise that Kevin was likely in town on that day.  An excuse was made for his missing lunch on Wednesday...... he was allegedly already headed back to the airport.  

I was given the name of a scientist on the board of one of Joe’s organizations...... DH are his initials.  We is a retired professor of mathematical physics, who did pioneering work in geometrical algebra, with applications to physics.  

GA is claimed to provide a more intuitive understanding of some of the complex operations of vector calculus, but I see no indication that it has led to any new physics, as a result.  

Much of physics, both classical and modern, deals with rotational frames, where GA could serve a useful pedagogical function.  This, does not, however, entail new theories of physics.  


2:30.........

Joe has made informal claims about the application of his technology for propulsion and anti-gravity. I do not recall any documented claims to that effect.



(cont......)

DH = David Hestenes

Forward from his latest paper on Maxwell-Dirac electron theory. It's an interesting read.

Maxwell-Dirac electron theory
David Hestenes
Department of Physics, Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona 85287-1504∗
The Dirac equation is reinterpreted as a constitutive equation for the vacuum, with the electron modeled as a point singularity on a lightlike toroidal vortex. The singularity generates electric and magnetic potentials with circular zitterbewegung around the spin axis. These fields are then propagated by Maxwell’s equation. The result is an integrated Maxwell-Dirac field theory proposed as a non-perturbative approach to quantum electrodynamics with implications for the electron’s anomalous magnetic moment, structure of the photon, and extension to a “Standard Model” wherein all elementary particles are composed of electrons.

O' man of the feet,
though your words be so sweet,
know that they must compete
with minds open wide.

For surely best's said
is what's not said, instead
to enter one's head
and once there, reside.

Toward bound'ry we flee
seeking boxed mystery
though our meals shan't agree
with our innards, oh my!

What must we now do?
To the loo?  Have a poo?
See a portal, walk through?
View the truth, and then fly?

jofo,

Thanks for this additional reference.   I’ve not been able to locate it, myself.  

I did find a good collection of links when searching under Hestenes-Dirac.

There are claims that his GA notation may prove helpful in understanding the enigma of quantum gravity, but no results.  

Joe does speak of spiral motion as being fundamental to the understanding all physical motion.  This piece of speculation provides only the weakest of links to geometric algebra.  

I’m presently reading his ‘The Zitterbewegung Interpretation of
Quantum Mechanics’ (1990)......

I’m only on page 5 of this paper, but I am impressed, so far.  It remains to be seen if David ideas might be relevant to Joe.  

What any of this has to say about the small world is a whole other matter.  


7:10..........

Hestenes’ GA does provide a kinematical interpretation of electron spin and some other quantum effects. As with Bohm’s interpretation, GA provides another, more classical, interpretation of the quantum domain.

The possibility of a more classical/materialist understanding would run counter to the immaterialist foundation of the BPWH.

I have not seen anything in GA which explain the alleged anomalous behavior of Joe’s gyros.

What I am thinking is that Joe obtained his notion of a fundamental state of helical motion from David’s work, which was in progress long before Joe took it up. It would be helpful for someone to explain the linkage between these two individuals.



(cont.......)

Every emotion
Is a thought
Made real
How do you feel
Some live from thought
Some from Awareness
If no Awareness
No thinking
Descartes was close
But he missed it
Thinking is not the master
You have no master
You aren’t a salve
You can’t stop thinking
But see it for what it is
I’m not reading anything
Nothing can be found
In any word, book or mouth
To define your experience
Of living in time and space
In a body and mind
You know what to do
So do it and then die
When your time
In mind and body is over
So simple even muppets
Can find peace and fun
The nasty ones will argue
It’s not so simple
Kick them then fart on them
They are stupid monkeys
You know who you are
Awareness sees through
You would let a word
Define and capture you
Stay free and open
Being fully who you are
You remember
I’ll remind you
From time to time
We are close kin
And I love you
As I love my life
I am love
I breath love in and out
I eat and poop love
We are all just fine
Some are just confused
Death will clear that right up
I’ll wait

Amor Fati

Smelly,

You are a wise and fun goat
I don't believe you can quantify a smile or a hug.
Or quantify eating ice cream with someone you love watching the setting sun
I enjoy reading and learning, but in the end, its just experience. Its the experience of being 'me'.
Dan is right and Joe was right in his interview with Doug, the end of our journey, even now, is uplifting our spirituality to soar like Jonathan Livingston Seagull and our hearts.
I know I am likely talking nonsense but you see, it really doesn't matter.
What matters are all of you. All of us.
I love each and every one of you.
I am so grateful to each and every one of you for just being you.
Dan might be 'heads' and you might be 'tails' on the coin of OM but then there only is the 'silver'
What do I know anyway lol
Wishing you all a lovely Saturday
Straight on

If Joe was meant to take the spotlight off of the Princess........ that scheme has failed, at least within the sound of my voice.  

My scream stopper for being stood up by Kevin, was DH/GA.  DH, for those of us who know physics, was an obvious front person for Joe’s ‘science’, who, if you understand geometric algebra (GA), is actually a nail in Joe’s coffin.  

My first take on David was skewed towards the macro-mechanical, where, yes, he was only simplifying some notation.  

But his claim to fame was his ‘zitterbewegung’ interpretation of the Dirac equation, which would have no relevance to Joe’s gyros.  

David would know that he was being used as a cover for something else.  He might even know about the Princess.  

Brazil and any follow up was a potentially significant event in the R,A&D show.  There is still the question of the alleged scientific conclave.  David would have been a likely attendee.  He could have been a draw.  

The only other ‘board’ member that I’m aware of is alleged to be KW.  Ken is into consciousness.  Joe doesn’t do consciousness.  Someone twisted the arms of both K&D, for the purpose of covering those bases.  I suspect that they could both have been Jason types...... very likely, in fact.  

It is a rather elaborate cover...... all to what end?  

All to the end of maintaining two levels of Disclosure...... the Galactic level and the Eschaton level.   This is what I’ve been suspecting all along, with the Joe/Lake operation.  The Ranch...... is more up Ken’s alley.  

Everyone playing a significant role with Joe is aware of the Ranch dimension....... a dimension which Joe finds embarrassing, if not frightening.  



12:30.........

Any ‘scientific’ conclave, coinciding with the Jair visit would have had difficulty avoiding the portal/paranormal topic.  

It’s also possible that K&J never made it.  All bets would be off.  What would that say about the BPWH?  

There would be a domino effect, projecting back to Brazil and to all the queen bee business.  

Is that business fungible.....?  

Possibly, but not the paranormal..... not the hive, either.  

It could be that one queen would be a decoy for the other.


(cont......)

Thanks CS.

This is what I am.

And how I live.

And how I genuinely see things.

I feel to pass it in with no strings.

Others will resonate or not.

Most seem to resonate on this frequency I found.

Dan and I live in two different realities.

As a matter of fact, we all live in our own reality tunnel, or dream matrix.

https://www.livescience.com/65029-dueling-reality-photons.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reimagining-of-schroedingers-cat-breaks-quantum-mechanics-mdash-and-stumps-physicists1/

This of course is what Disclosure truly is.

My life is only in being here.

The implications of letting that take hold are profound to the muppet.

You can see how others live in their narrative tunnel.

You hit on the secret CS.

It is just being this here.

That is the meaning and all of it.

This is your life, your own unique beautiful individual life.

Silly muppets can chase energy in the sky.

I am the sky and all that fills it.

No boundaries or limits.

I let my heart soar in that fucking beautiful amazing crazy sky.

And I’ll shout and sing it forever.

My god, nothing in this silly world of cotton candy dreams could compare to the experience of being all of this.

I invite all to let it rip and fly.

Just jump and flap your wings.

Soar with me.

You won’t regret it and no one will ever be able to bother you again.

Muppets will shed their skins and the birds will all fly together.

It’s a big big sky
No one knows why
How high you can fly
Oh my
Oh my

smelly just can’t understand that I’m trying to explain his world view to scientists.

smelly doesn’t like to share.

I’m smelly’s de facto proselytizer, and he doesn’t like those apples.


(cont.......)

I agree.

I don’t understand anything.

Preach it Brother!

I am not in disagreement or conflict with you or anyone Dan.

I have always simply shared my view.

We all have our own reality.

I just have the blinds up.

Why not?

It’s fun to be this here.

You are what appears within the field.

Wonderful.

Jesus didn’t go far enough.

He could have just wandered off into the caves and chilled.

But he set this up or his myth did.

dan wrote:smelly just can’t understand that I’m trying to explain his world view to scientists.

smelly doesn’t like to share.

I’m smelly’s de facto proselytizer, and he doesn’t like those apples.  


(cont.......)

Maybe we should all be singing Kumbaya in unison a few times a day so that Smelly will "share" more. [Warning]  But rest assured, this page this post is on now will be back a few hundred pages in no time should he decide to amp things up (if it isn't already extremely amped up as it is) in that dept.

It's all about SPIN.



A dual helical spin.

Consciousness spin.

Hobbit

No hobbit, it’s dancing, spin with style, swing with no cling.

I’ll do better
By letting it all
Come together

smelly wrote:No hobbit, it’s dancing, spin with style, swing with no cling.

I’ll do better
By letting it all
Come together

Two spins come together, but it's one inside the other, so there's a slight variation.

Hence objects FALL upwards inside a tornado.

Inward spin /smaller outward spin =gravity

Reverse such, and fall upwards, and back in TIME.

HOBBIT

Yes, falling upwards

And backwards

That last step on Earth is a doozy

Then Whoosh!!!

To the Stars

Now I’m right here

Before I ever left

In my chair

Watchin the muppets

Scurry like insects

What ever could they need

Where could they be going

The Moon

Mars

I’m sippin a cold one

Right where I always was

Nothing has been achieved

The search though is over

If I were watching over the Cosmos

I’d do it from right here

With my woman

And my pack

In my comfy chair

That appears to be

All that is happening

Artist rendering of a black hole at the center of a galaxy...



Seemed related.